Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Imagine a cellulose dingleb*rry.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 9:41 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> > I still am not sure what exactly a hanging chad is.
>
> Ever used a worn hole punch, where the bit of the future confetti hung on
> by a thread?
> Like that.  But on a ballot of the sort where you punch out the little
> paper squares to vote.
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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh

On 12/17/2020 8:40 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

I still am not sure what exactly a hanging chad is.

Ever used a worn hole punch, where the bit of the future confetti hung on by a 
thread?
Like that.  But on a ballot of the sort where you punch out the little paper 
squares to vote.

-- Jim



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[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Showing your (young) age Kaleb!

A "hanging chad" is a partially detached punch-out on an IBM data card.  You 
probably don't remember people carrying around huge boxes of IBM punch cards, 
I've not seen a punch machine in use since 1983 when SIU retired their last one.

The Votomatic system used an IBM punch card with partially cut holes, the voter 
used a stylus to push out the one next to the name of the candidated they 
wanted to vote for.  Needless to say, the card were fragile, and after a few 
trips through the reader started to shed un-selected "chads", making them 
unreadable.

The major drawback to them in high voting areas is the the tray that caught the 
chads punched out by the voter were fairly shallow, and if not emptied often 
enough the stylus would hit a pile of punched out chads and NOT completely 
remove the selected on.  If it didn't come off completely, it would hang onto 
the card, a "hanging chad", and if the ballot was handled much, a lot of them 
could come loose.  So was the hanging chad a vote or not?  Impossible to tell.
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I still am not sure what exactly a hanging chad is.

Ever used a worn hole punch, where the bit of the future confetti hung on by a 
thread?
Like that.  But on a ballot of the sort where you punch out the little paper 
squares to vote.

-- Jim


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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I still am not sure what exactly a hanging chad is.

On 12/17/2020 12:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Roger, don’t put words in my mouth, we both know that’s not what I said. Rather 
than obfuscate try dropping the sarcasm and accept that I gave examples based 
on my experience working the polls in several states for a significant amount 
of time. I didn’t claim my experience to be exhaustive, I merely drew upon many 
decades of direct experience. In how many elections have you been a poll worker?

And I don’t trust computers - I verify. That’s why there are paper copies. I’ve 
been around since computers have been in general use as well, even at the 
polls. For what it’s worth, I worked the 2000 election in Florida, complete 
with “hanging chads”, too.

-D


On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:56 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
wrote:

Dan,
I feel much better now knowing that you speak for all voting in the entire USA...NOT.  
Thumb drives floated around in Fulton County where the votes changed by several hundred 
thousand.  Observers were obstructed.  Votes were counted after observers were sent home 
under the guise of a water main break which was really a bathroom leak early in the day.  
Then votes were counted after the observers left.  Even CNN in their live feed showed 
massive vote swings in PA as well.  Did you EVER see vote counts go down?  I haven't.  
I'm glad you trust computers, but having been around them since they were first put into 
general use, I know the old adage "garbage in garbage out" still applies.
Regards,
Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Came across this for Coffee Cty Ga - haven't heard of this elsewhere but 
it shows the voting machine process beginning to end along with the 
possible flaws. One thing they show is the ballots can be fed thru two 
or more times.  That shouldn't be.


Anyway, there are more open doors for flaws shown:
https://twitter.com/jennybethm/status/1337099982294437894

LarryT
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On 12/17/2020 2:02 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Interesting about working the polls, though. Let's all do that and report
back.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 10:56 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Yeah, I think things have run their course and could be continued
elsewhere if people choose to do so.

And Kaleb got his answer.

-D


On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Dwight Giles 

wrote:

Dan,
Time to pull plug on this political stuff?
Dwight


Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 1:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:

Roger, don’t put words in my mouth, we both know that’s not what I said.

Rather than obfuscate try dropping the sarcasm and accept that I gave
examples based on my experience working the polls in several states for a
significant amount of time. I didn’t claim my experience to be exhaustive,
I merely drew upon many decades of direct experience. In how many elections
have you been a poll worker?

And I don’t trust computers - I verify. That’s why there are paper

copies. I’ve been around since computers have been in general use as well,
even at the polls. For what it’s worth, I worked the 2000 election in
Florida, complete with “hanging chads”, too.

-D


On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:56 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:

Dan,
I feel much better now knowing that you speak for all voting in the

entire USA...NOT.  Thumb drives floated around in Fulton County where the
votes changed by several hundred thousand.  Observers were obstructed.
Votes were counted after observers were sent home under the guise of a
water main break which was really a bathroom leak early in the day.  Then
votes were counted after the observers left.  Even CNN in their live feed
showed massive vote swings in PA as well.  Did you EVER see vote counts go
down?  I haven't.  I'm glad you trust computers, but having been around
them since they were first put into general use, I know the old adage
"garbage in garbage out" still applies.

Regards,
Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Interesting about working the polls, though. Let's all do that and report
back.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 10:56 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I think things have run their course and could be continued
> elsewhere if people choose to do so.
>
> And Kaleb got his answer.
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dan,
> > Time to pull plug on this political stuff?
> > Dwight
> >
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 1:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > Roger, don’t put words in my mouth, we both know that’s not what I said.
> Rather than obfuscate try dropping the sarcasm and accept that I gave
> examples based on my experience working the polls in several states for a
> significant amount of time. I didn’t claim my experience to be exhaustive,
> I merely drew upon many decades of direct experience. In how many elections
> have you been a poll worker?
> >
> > And I don’t trust computers - I verify. That’s why there are paper
> copies. I’ve been around since computers have been in general use as well,
> even at the polls. For what it’s worth, I worked the 2000 election in
> Florida, complete with “hanging chads”, too.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:56 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dan,
> > > I feel much better now knowing that you speak for all voting in the
> entire USA...NOT.  Thumb drives floated around in Fulton County where the
> votes changed by several hundred thousand.  Observers were obstructed.
> Votes were counted after observers were sent home under the guise of a
> water main break which was really a bathroom leak early in the day.  Then
> votes were counted after the observers left.  Even CNN in their live feed
> showed massive vote swings in PA as well.  Did you EVER see vote counts go
> down?  I haven't.  I'm glad you trust computers, but having been around
> them since they were first put into general use, I know the old adage
> "garbage in garbage out" still applies.
> > > Regards,
> > > Roger
> > >
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, I think things have run their course and could be continued elsewhere if 
people choose to do so.

And Kaleb got his answer.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Dan,
> Time to pull plug on this political stuff?
> Dwight
> 
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 1:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > wrote:
> Roger, don’t put words in my mouth, we both know that’s not what I said. 
> Rather than obfuscate try dropping the sarcasm and accept that I gave 
> examples based on my experience working the polls in several states for a 
> significant amount of time. I didn’t claim my experience to be exhaustive, I 
> merely drew upon many decades of direct experience. In how many elections 
> have you been a poll worker?
> 
> And I don’t trust computers - I verify. That’s why there are paper copies. 
> I’ve been around since computers have been in general use as well, even at 
> the polls. For what it’s worth, I worked the 2000 election in Florida, 
> complete with “hanging chads”, too.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:56 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Dan,
> > I feel much better now knowing that you speak for all voting in the entire 
> > USA...NOT.  Thumb drives floated around in Fulton County where the votes 
> > changed by several hundred thousand.  Observers were obstructed.  Votes 
> > were counted after observers were sent home under the guise of a water main 
> > break which was really a bathroom leak early in the day.  Then votes were 
> > counted after the observers left.  Even CNN in their live feed showed 
> > massive vote swings in PA as well.  Did you EVER see vote counts go down?  
> > I haven't.  I'm glad you trust computers, but having been around them since 
> > they were first put into general use, I know the old adage "garbage in 
> > garbage out" still applies.
> > Regards,
> > Roger
> > 
> > Roger Hale
> > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> > Monroe, Ga.
> > 770-267-0850
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Roger, don’t put words in my mouth, we both know that’s not what I said. Rather 
than obfuscate try dropping the sarcasm and accept that I gave examples based 
on my experience working the polls in several states for a significant amount 
of time. I didn’t claim my experience to be exhaustive, I merely drew upon many 
decades of direct experience. In how many elections have you been a poll worker?

And I don’t trust computers - I verify. That’s why there are paper copies. I’ve 
been around since computers have been in general use as well, even at the 
polls. For what it’s worth, I worked the 2000 election in Florida, complete 
with “hanging chads”, too.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:56 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan,
> I feel much better now knowing that you speak for all voting in the entire 
> USA...NOT.  Thumb drives floated around in Fulton County where the votes 
> changed by several hundred thousand.  Observers were obstructed.  Votes were 
> counted after observers were sent home under the guise of a water main break 
> which was really a bathroom leak early in the day.  Then votes were counted 
> after the observers left.  Even CNN in their live feed showed massive vote 
> swings in PA as well.  Did you EVER see vote counts go down?  I haven't.  I'm 
> glad you trust computers, but having been around them since they were first 
> put into general use, I know the old adage "garbage in garbage out" still 
> applies.
> Regards,
> Roger
> 
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Dan,
I feel much better now knowing that you speak for all voting in the entire 
USA...NOT.  Thumb drives floated around in Fulton County where the votes 
changed by several hundred thousand.  Observers were obstructed.  Votes were 
counted after observers were sent home under the guise of a water main break 
which was really a bathroom leak early in the day.  Then votes were counted 
after the observers left.  Even CNN in their live feed showed massive vote 
swings in PA as well.  Did you EVER see vote counts go down?  I haven't.  I'm 
glad you trust computers, but having been around them since they were first put 
into general use, I know the old adage "garbage in garbage out" still applies.
Regards,
Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Sorry guys, but I'm not going to continue a waste of time discussion regarding 
this election.  Yes, the machines should work.  And everyone should tell the 
truth.  And Santa Claus does exist.  If you want to join the MSM and say any 
contrary opinion is a misstatement, then that is your right.  My right is to 
express that contrary opinion because I'm tired of the "misstatement, 
fraudulent claims, conspiracy theory" responses without a rebuttal.
So, I'm not playing further.  You can have your belief and I'll have mine, but 
I doubt they'll ever agree.
Happy Holidays,

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is content far more appropriate for Okie Talk, suffice to say that the 
courts have spoken regarding the various lawsuits and found all without merit. 
Being that they were filed in numerous (different) venues with a wide range of 
judges as far as political affiliation and backgrounds, I think the results 
pretty much speak for themselves.

‘nuf said

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, how about the evidence that was presented in the ~50 lawsuits that
> have been filed?  Is that evidence worth looking at?
> 
> This link below will take you to a detailed report of the election issues.
> 
> Dear readers: before you dismiss this report as "right wing conspiracy",
> keep in mind the case of Hunter Biden's laptop.  When that October surprise
> broke in the New York Post, it was immediately censored, suppressed, mocked
> as a conspiracy, and labeled as Russian dis-information.  Pretty much a
> total blackout in the so-called "main stream media", and even though the
> FBI and the Justice Department had the evidence and an ongoing
> investigation, they kept totally mum.  Now that the election is over, those
> very same mainstream media and social media that actively suppressed the
> story are now shocked, Shocked I say! to learn that Hunter Biden (and by
> association his father Joe Biden) have some explaining to do to the FBI.
> This type of hypocritical and manipulative behavior by our 'media' and our
> 'Justice Department' should give us all pause to carefully consider sources
> and be open to really looking at other sources, and be willing to question
> what we are told
> 
> https://bannonswarroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/The-Immaculate-Deception-12.15.20-1.pdf
> 
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:02 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Cite the direct sources for this information, please, Roger. Not news
>> media, the actual sources of the information.
>> 
>> Georgia, like most states, has a process for “curing” votes. Like other
>> election processes, it’s highly regulated and audited by members of both
>> political parties.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:46 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kaleb,
>>> Some people are drinking the kolaide.  GA. reran the same corrupt votes
>> 3 times without confirming signatures.  What's the definition of insanity?
>> The gov and SOS are linked into a voting machine selection scam and
>> therefore have made no REAL steps to isolate the illegal votes, especially
>> in Fulton County the home of our wonderful Atlanta.  And yes, it's been
>> proven by forensic techs that our Dominion machines can and were connected
>> to the internet as well as the software being open to manipulation.  The
>> MSM has been complicit in this coverup.
>>> I'm sorry for adding this, but I've seen/read/heard too many coverup
>> explanations for a corrupt election.
>>> Regards,
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> Roger Hale
>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>>> Monroe, Ga.
>>> 770-267-0850
>>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I served as an election judge for early voting in MD and on election day.
A substantial number of people who tried to vote in person were denied
since the systems had a record of their request for a mail-in ballot.  We
gave them the option of voting provisionally (their votes were to be
counted after a wait of 9 days) or to go home and get their mail in ballot
and drop it off at a secure ballot box or in the voting precinct.  This
effectively prevented anyone from voting twice.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 11:18 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Understood, but also consider that checks are being made against the voter
> registration records as well, so it’s not just a matter of signatures. I
> agree, I’ve never been comfortable with absentee/mail in ballots for that
> reason. I can’t say I sign my name in a consistent manner, so what I sign
> one day might not exactly resemble what I sign today. That’s a concern for
> me.
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It just seems like the very concept of mailing in ballots leaves a lot
> of room for fraud. Even if checking signatures these are low or no paid
> workers not signature experts.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 17, 2020, at 8:23 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2020-12-17 09:11, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> It seems to me unless you are military all voting should be done in
> >>> person with ID. I just do not see how they verify mail in ballots
> >>> accurately. In person voting could run for a week or 2 instead of 1
> >>> day but it should all be in person.
> >>
> >>
> >> Normally, they compare the signature on the sealed envelope with the
> signature on the voter registration, and if they don't think the signatures
> match, they temporarily reject the ballot and send a letter to the voter
> asking them to resolve the identity issue.
> >>
> >> This year, in many jurisdictions, it was more like 'who cares if the
> signatures match'?
> >>
> >> Here in Michigan, the Secretary of State instructed the precinct
> workers to open the sealed ballots before election day but not to count
> them until election day. That opened up the possibility of shenanigans
> perpetrated after the precinct workers could see who was voted for on the
> ballot, such shenanigans being the exact reason why the law prevented them
> from doing it the way the SoS instructed them to do it.
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Well, how about the evidence that was presented in the ~50 lawsuits that
have been filed?  Is that evidence worth looking at?

This link below will take you to a detailed report of the election issues.

Dear readers: before you dismiss this report as "right wing conspiracy",
keep in mind the case of Hunter Biden's laptop.  When that October surprise
broke in the New York Post, it was immediately censored, suppressed, mocked
as a conspiracy, and labeled as Russian dis-information.  Pretty much a
total blackout in the so-called "main stream media", and even though the
FBI and the Justice Department had the evidence and an ongoing
investigation, they kept totally mum.  Now that the election is over, those
very same mainstream media and social media that actively suppressed the
story are now shocked, Shocked I say! to learn that Hunter Biden (and by
association his father Joe Biden) have some explaining to do to the FBI.
This type of hypocritical and manipulative behavior by our 'media' and our
'Justice Department' should give us all pause to carefully consider sources
and be open to really looking at other sources, and be willing to question
what we are told

https://bannonswarroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/The-Immaculate-Deception-12.15.20-1.pdf


-
Max
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On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:02 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Cite the direct sources for this information, please, Roger. Not news
> media, the actual sources of the information.
>
> Georgia, like most states, has a process for “curing” votes. Like other
> election processes, it’s highly regulated and audited by members of both
> political parties.
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:46 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Kaleb,
> > Some people are drinking the kolaide.  GA. reran the same corrupt votes
> 3 times without confirming signatures.  What's the definition of insanity?
> The gov and SOS are linked into a voting machine selection scam and
> therefore have made no REAL steps to isolate the illegal votes, especially
> in Fulton County the home of our wonderful Atlanta.  And yes, it's been
> proven by forensic techs that our Dominion machines can and were connected
> to the internet as well as the software being open to manipulation.  The
> MSM has been complicit in this coverup.
> > I'm sorry for adding this, but I've seen/read/heard too many coverup
> explanations for a corrupt election.
> > Regards,
> > Roger
> >
> > Roger Hale
> > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> > Monroe, Ga.
> > 770-267-0850
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Understood, but also consider that checks are being made against the voter 
registration records as well, so it’s not just a matter of signatures. I agree, 
I’ve never been comfortable with absentee/mail in ballots for that reason. I 
can’t say I sign my name in a consistent manner, so what I sign one day might 
not exactly resemble what I sign today. That’s a concern for me.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It just seems like the very concept of mailing in ballots leaves a lot of 
> room for fraud. Even if checking signatures these are low or no paid workers 
> not signature experts. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 8:23 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 2020-12-17 09:11, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> It seems to me unless you are military all voting should be done in
>>> person with ID. I just do not see how they verify mail in ballots
>>> accurately. In person voting could run for a week or 2 instead of 1
>>> day but it should all be in person.
>> 
>> 
>> Normally, they compare the signature on the sealed envelope with the 
>> signature on the voter registration, and if they don't think the signatures 
>> match, they temporarily reject the ballot and send a letter to the voter 
>> asking them to resolve the identity issue.
>> 
>> This year, in many jurisdictions, it was more like 'who cares if the 
>> signatures match'?
>> 
>> Here in Michigan, the Secretary of State instructed the precinct workers to 
>> open the sealed ballots before election day but not to count them until 
>> election day. That opened up the possibility of shenanigans perpetrated 
>> after the precinct workers could see who was voted for on the ballot, such 
>> shenanigans being the exact reason why the law prevented them from doing it 
>> the way the SoS instructed them to do it.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It just seems like the very concept of mailing in ballots leaves a lot of room 
for fraud. Even if checking signatures these are low or no paid workers not 
signature experts. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 8:23 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-12-17 09:11, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> It seems to me unless you are military all voting should be done in
>> person with ID. I just do not see how they verify mail in ballots
>> accurately. In person voting could run for a week or 2 instead of 1
>> day but it should all be in person.
> 
> 
> Normally, they compare the signature on the sealed envelope with the 
> signature on the voter registration, and if they don't think the signatures 
> match, they temporarily reject the ballot and send a letter to the voter 
> asking them to resolve the identity issue.
> 
> This year, in many jurisdictions, it was more like 'who cares if the 
> signatures match'?
> 
> Here in Michigan, the Secretary of State instructed the precinct workers to 
> open the sealed ballots before election day but not to count them until 
> election day. That opened up the possibility of shenanigans perpetrated after 
> the precinct workers could see who was voted for on the ballot, such 
> shenanigans being the exact reason why the law prevented them from doing it 
> the way the SoS instructed them to do it.
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

FL is a good example of a state doing a terrible job (the 2000 election,
Bush v. Gore and the hanging chad etc.) and then learning the hard lesson
and making the changes to improve.

It seems that other states are learning that hard lesson too, and if the
voters in those states desire, they can improve their election process and
systems.

Until people actually roll up their sleeves and get involved and do the
work, it won't change.  Do the work and fix it if you think it is broken.

I'm also amazed at how many states don't require voter ID.  Hard to believe
but true.

Matching signatures on mail-in ballots is not an easy task at all,
especially when the sheer volume is increased like it was this year.  Done
manually, that is a huge amount of manhours to sort through each ballot and
compare to each voter registration record.  Here in SC we made the State
spend money on scanning machines so that process can be largely automated,
and the easy matches are made quickly by the machines, and the hard matches
are kicked out for a human to decide.  In those cases, both parties can
have poll watchers present to review and agree or dispute, and if the
signature is disputed we can ask the voter to 'cure' that ballot by showing
up in person with ID to verify their signature.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 9:12 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It seems to me unless you are military all voting should be done in person
> with ID. I just do not see how they verify mail in ballots accurately. In
> person voting could run for a week or 2 instead of 1 day but it should all
> be in person.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 6:47 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Kaleb,
> > Some people are drinking the kolaide.  GA. reran the same corrupt votes
> 3 times without confirming signatures.  What's the definition of insanity?
> The gov and SOS are linked into a voting machine selection scam and
> therefore have made no REAL steps to isolate the illegal votes, especially
> in Fulton County the home of our wonderful Atlanta.  And yes, it's been
> proven by forensic techs that our Dominion machines can and were connected
> to the internet as well as the software being open to manipulation.  The
> MSM has been complicit in this coverup.
> > I'm sorry for adding this, but I've seen/read/heard too many coverup
> explanations for a corrupt election.
> > Regards,
> > Roger
> >
> > Roger Hale
> > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> > Monroe, Ga.
> > 770-267-0850
> > www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-12-17 09:11, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

It seems to me unless you are military all voting should be done in
person with ID. I just do not see how they verify mail in ballots
accurately. In person voting could run for a week or 2 instead of 1
day but it should all be in person.



Normally, they compare the signature on the sealed envelope with the 
signature on the voter registration, and if they don't think the 
signatures match, they temporarily reject the ballot and send a letter 
to the voter asking them to resolve the identity issue.


This year, in many jurisdictions, it was more like 'who cares if the 
signatures match'?


Here in Michigan, the Secretary of State instructed the precinct workers 
to open the sealed ballots before election day but not to count them 
until election day. That opened up the possibility of shenanigans 
perpetrated after the precinct workers could see who was voted for on 
the ballot, such shenanigans being the exact reason why the law 
prevented them from doing it the way the SoS instructed them to do it.


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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It seems to me unless you are military all voting should be done in person with 
ID. I just do not see how they verify mail in ballots accurately. In person 
voting could run for a week or 2 instead of 1 day but it should all be in 
person. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 6:47 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb,
> Some people are drinking the kolaide.  GA. reran the same corrupt votes 3 
> times without confirming signatures.  What's the definition of insanity?  The 
> gov and SOS are linked into a voting machine selection scam and therefore 
> have made no REAL steps to isolate the illegal votes, especially in Fulton 
> County the home of our wonderful Atlanta.  And yes, it's been proven by 
> forensic techs that our Dominion machines can and were connected to the 
> internet as well as the software being open to manipulation.  The MSM has 
> been complicit in this coverup. 
> I'm sorry for adding this, but I've seen/read/heard too many coverup 
> explanations for a corrupt election.
> Regards,
> Roger
> 
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Cite the direct sources for this information, please, Roger. Not news media, 
the actual sources of the information.

Georgia, like most states, has a process for “curing” votes. Like other 
election processes, it’s highly regulated and audited by members of both 
political parties.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:46 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb,
> Some people are drinking the kolaide.  GA. reran the same corrupt votes 3 
> times without confirming signatures.  What's the definition of insanity?  The 
> gov and SOS are linked into a voting machine selection scam and therefore 
> have made no REAL steps to isolate the illegal votes, especially in Fulton 
> County the home of our wonderful Atlanta.  And yes, it's been proven by 
> forensic techs that our Dominion machines can and were connected to the 
> internet as well as the software being open to manipulation.  The MSM has 
> been complicit in this coverup. 
> I'm sorry for adding this, but I've seen/read/heard too many coverup 
> explanations for a corrupt election.
> Regards,
> Roger
> 
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Kaleb,
Some people are drinking the kolaide.  GA. reran the same corrupt votes 3 times 
without confirming signatures.  What's the definition of insanity?  The gov and 
SOS are linked into a voting machine selection scam and therefore have made no 
REAL steps to isolate the illegal votes, especially in Fulton County the home 
of our wonderful Atlanta.  And yes, it's been proven by forensic techs that our 
Dominion machines can and were connected to the internet as well as the 
software being open to manipulation.  The MSM has been complicit in this 
coverup. 
I'm sorry for adding this, but I've seen/read/heard too many coverup 
explanations for a corrupt election.
Regards,
Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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