[MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
I test drove a 1986 300E five-speed before SWMBO purchased her 1985 300CD. It was quite BORING. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html > > Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this > particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought > that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a > diesel. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
I have a 5spd in my 87 300d. Not sure of the gearing on the 190 but at 60mph I am turning around 1700rpm. That may be a dogleg 5speed. -Rolf On 03/07/2011 01:51 PM, Allan Streib wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:58 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: > I test drove a 1986 300E five-speed before SWMBO purchased her 1985 300CD. > It was quite BORING. > Really? How come? You seem to be in the minority---there are a few people who have a stick 124 on the PeachParts forum, and they all seem to love them. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
Looks to be a 2.6 I6very rare. John On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Allan Streib wrote: > http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html > > Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this > particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought > that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a > diesel. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
I doubt it's a dogleg, probably the regular up for first arrangement. I don't see any evidence of other 2.3-16 parts, like spoilers, wheel arches, or seats. Rated 19 city, 27hwy in 1989, which puts it almost as good as an old 3.8L Taurus. Mitch. Rolf wrote: I have a 5spd in my 87 300d. Not sure of the gearing on the 190 but at 60mph I am turning around 1700rpm. That may be a dogleg 5speed. -Rolf On 03/07/2011 01:51 PM, Allan Streib wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
I had an '84 190D 2.2, five speed, and it was an absolute blast. I do regret selling that car. I'd pick up a nice 190 five speed, gasser or diesel, if the price was right and I could convince SWMBO. My biggest beef against the 201's is that the interiors are very cheap. Another odd aspect was that the AC would get heat soaked in the summer following engine shut-down, so when you restarted the car, the AC would blow really hot for a minute or two and then cool off. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles '95 E300 280k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC From: Allan Streib To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 1:51:48 PM Subject: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed? http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
I didn't own it - I just did a test drive. GIven time I might have grown fond... On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:58 AM, andrew strasfogel > wrote: > > I test drove a 1986 300E five-speed before SWMBO purchased her 1985 > 300CD. > > It was quite BORING. > > > > Really? How come? You seem to be in the minority---there are a few > people who have a stick 124 on the PeachParts forum, and they all seem > to love them. > > Alex > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
Worth anything close to the asking price ($3K) ? Allan On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:13 -0800, "John Freer" wrote: > Looks to be a 2.6 I6very rare. > John > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Allan Streib > wrote: > > http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html > > > > Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this > > particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought > > that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a > > diesel. > > > > Allan > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
You know for double the price you could have won this : http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-E-class-e36-Mercedes-Benz-300-series-Renntech-ce36-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b9174bd4QQitemZ170609036244QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks Not a stick and the interior is a bit shocking but I bet it would be more fun. -Rolf On 03/07/2011 03:41 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Worth anything close to the asking price ($3K) ? Allan On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:13 -0800, "John Freer" wrote: Looks to be a 2.6 I6very rare. John On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Allan Streib wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
Wonder why the temp wheel is solid blue, and what is the red button, or red light, by the light switch? Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rolf" To: Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed? You know for double the price you could have won this : http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-E-class-e36-Mercedes-Benz-300-series-Renntech-ce36-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b9174bd4QQitemZ170609036244QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks Not a stick and the interior is a bit shocking but I bet it would be more fun. -Rolf On 03/07/2011 03:41 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Worth anything close to the asking price ($3K) ? Allan On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:13 -0800, "John Freer" wrote: Looks to be a 2.6 I6very rare. John On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Allan Streib wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
WILTON wrote: Wonder why the temp wheel is solid blue, and what is the red button, or red light, by the light switch? I could do without: Red steering wheel rim. Hideous red gauges with yellow needles. Subwoofers in the trunk, behind the fuel tank. Are they supposed to make the trunk lid buzz, or what's their function? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
The 2.6 5 speed combo is a pretty desirable one in a W201 and you should definitely take a look if such a car fancies you... you'll find it quite different than a W116! The price is a bit high for a W201, but if the car is nice with low miles, its absolutely reasonable. For a little while I had a 190D 2.5t, but I'm not a big fan of the W201... just a bit too small for me. I sold the car off after a short time. Jaime On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html > > Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this > particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought > that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a > diesel. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
Any well-known problems, self-destructing wiring, or the like? Allan Jaime Kopchinski writes: > The 2.6 5 speed combo is a pretty desirable one in a W201 and you > should definitely take a look if such a car fancies you... you'll find it > quite different than a W116! The price is a bit high for a W201, but if the > car is nice with low miles, its absolutely reasonable. > > For a little while I had a 190D 2.5t, but I'm not a big fan of the W201... > just a bit too small for me. I sold the car off after a short time. > > Jaime > > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > >> http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html >> >> Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this >> particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought >> that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a >> diesel. >> >> Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
I can do without all of it. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed? WILTON wrote: Wonder why the temp wheel is solid blue, and what is the red button, or red light, by the light switch? I could do without: Red steering wheel rim. Hideous red gauges with yellow needles. Subwoofers in the trunk, behind the fuel tank. Are they supposed to make the trunk lid buzz, or what's their function? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
Just M103 weaknesses... head gaskets and valve guides. Nothing serious enough to avoid purchase of such a car. Overall, the engine is quite good. Oh yeah, and rust, especially around the jack points in the W201. Jaime On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > Any well-known problems, self-destructing wiring, or the like? > > Allan > > Jaime Kopchinski writes: > > > The 2.6 5 speed combo is a pretty desirable one in a W201 and you > > should definitely take a look if such a car fancies you... you'll find it > > quite different than a W116! The price is a bit high for a W201, but if > the > > car is nice with low miles, its absolutely reasonable. > > > > For a little while I had a 190D 2.5t, but I'm not a big fan of the > W201... > > just a bit too small for me. I sold the car off after a short time. > > > > Jaime > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Allan Streib > wrote: > > > >> http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html > >> > >> Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this > >> particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just > bought > >> that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's > not a > >> diesel. > >> > >> Allan > > -- > 1983 300D > 1979 300SD > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
My son's 5 speed 190D 2.2 is a lot of fun to drive - the 2.6 vergasser should be even more fun. I suspect that when it comes time to work on the head, you could swap the engine for a 3.0 instead? more fun yet! On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > I had an '84 190D 2.2, five speed, and it was an absolute blast. I do > regret > selling that car. I'd pick up a nice 190 five speed, gasser or diesel, if > the > price was right and I could convince SWMBO. > > -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
I'm actually well pleased with my '84 190D auto, its quite drivable as the engine is always spun up. It REALLY needs an overdrive on the highway though, its over 3,000 rpm at 60mph. -Curt Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 11:22:22 -0800 (PST) From: Max Dillon To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed? Message-ID: <284506.61036...@web180012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had an '84 190D 2.2, five speed, and it was an absolute blast. I do regret selling that car. I'd pick up a nice 190 five speed, gasser or diesel, if the price was right and I could convince SWMBO. My biggest beef against the 201's is that the interiors are very cheap. Another odd aspect was that the AC would get heat soaked in the summer following engine shut-down, so when you restarted the car, the AC would blow really hot for a minute or two and then cool off. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles '95 E300 280k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
Condition, condition, condition... Could be worth it, could be crap. I've probably got $4500 in my '84 190D right now (it was a $250 car remember) and its got a creaking ball joint (just started tonight) so $3k if its really in good shape is probably fair. -Curt Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 15:41:27 -0500 From: "Allan Streib" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed? Message-ID: <1299530487.19357.1427169...@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Worth anything close to the asking price ($3K) ? Allan On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:13 -0800, "John Freer" wrote: > Looks to be a 2.6 I6very rare. > John > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Allan Streib > wrote: > > http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html > > > > Anyone have anything similar? ?I don't have any experience with this particular model. ?Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. ?Plus it's not a diesel. > > > > Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
That's what the 5 speed is good for! On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > I'm actually well pleased with my '84 190D auto, its quite drivable as the > engine is always spun up. It REALLY needs an overdrive on the highway > though, its over 3,000 rpm at 60mph. > > -Curt -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
Only if it is geared right. Unless a 5 spd has an overdrive fifth, or the vehicle has a lower ratio diff, you only go through more gears. Most trans have the top gear 1:1 so the engine turns the same rpm at a given road speed whether it is a 3, 4 or 5 speed. (unless the diff ratio is changed) That's what the 5 speed is good for! On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I'm actually well pleased with my '84 190D auto, its quite drivable as the engine is always spun up. It REALLY needs an overdrive on the highway though, its over 3,000 rpm at 60mph. -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
My understanding is that Mercedes of the 123 and earlier era had 4th gear as 1:1, so fifth gear is overdrive. I don't know if that practice followed into 201 and later cars, but I can tell you that my 190D with five speed did not seem to me to be at a high engine RPM at highway speed. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles '95 E300 280k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 8:10:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed? Only if it is geared right. Unless a 5 spd has an overdrive fifth, or the vehicle has a lower ratio diff, you only go through more gears. Most trans have the top gear 1:1 so the engine turns the same rpm at a given road speed whether it is a 3, 4 or 5 speed. (unless the diff ratio is changed) >That's what the 5 speed is good for! > >On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > >> I'm actually well pleased with my '84 190D auto, its quite drivable as the >> engine is always spun up. It REALLY needs an overdrive on the highway >> though, its over 3,000 rpm at 60mph. >> >> -Curt -- >> >OK Don >2001 ML320 >1992 300D 2.5T >1990 300D 2.5T >1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
The 2.2l 190Ds all have the same diff so the auto is quick off the line but runs out of grunt. The manual has the overdrive 5th to keep the revs down on the highway. My auto 190D and manual 240D (4spd) seem to rev about the same on the highway. -Curt Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:10:29 -0600 From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Only if it is geared right. Unless a 5 spd has an overdrive fifth, or the vehicle has a lower ratio diff, you only go through more gears. Most trans have the top gear 1:1 so the engine turns the same rpm at a given road speed whether it is a 3, 4 or 5 speed. (unless the diff ratio is changed) >That's what the 5 speed is good for! > >On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > >> I'm actually well pleased with my '84 190D auto, its quite drivable as the >> engine is always spun up. It REALLY needs an overdrive on the highway >> though, its over 3,000 rpm at 60mph. >> >> -Curt -- >> >OK Don >2001 ML320 >1992 300D 2.5T >1990 300D 2.5T >1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
Max Dillon wrote: My understanding is that Mercedes of the 123 and earlier era had 4th gear as 1:1, so fifth gear is overdrive. I don't know if that practice followed into 201 and later cars, but I can tell you that my 190D with five speed did not seem to me to be at a high engine RPM at highway speed. All the W201 manual trans have mild OD, like .79 or .82 to one, except the 16v is 1:1 with that odd racing shift pattern. I've heard of W123 5sp, but never actually seen one. Doesn't Euan have a 300TD 5sp? Has anybody heard from Euan since Christchurch got clobbered? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
