Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
Go to many major European cities at night and you won’t see a car with it’s headlights on, just city lights. -D > On Jan 25, 2021, at 10:32 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Jim Cathey via Mercedes writes: > >> A small bulb in the headlight shell that's hooked to the parking lights. >> Basically for use at night to light the headlamp for visibility, like DRLs, >> but not so bright as to blind people in cities where there is good >> street lighting. > > Sadly missing in modern cars, where the prevailing approach is to > install retina-scarring LED projectors that are completely blinding to > oncoming traffic. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
Jim Cathey via Mercedes writes: > A small bulb in the headlight shell that's hooked to the parking lights. > Basically for use at night to light the headlamp for visibility, like DRLs, > but not so bright as to blind people in cities where there is good > street lighting. Sadly missing in modern cars, where the prevailing approach is to install retina-scarring LED projectors that are completely blinding to oncoming traffic. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
Thanks. Never knew of such a thing. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:59 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > >> >> City light? What’s that? > > A small bulb in the headlight shell that's hooked to the parking lights. > Basically for use at night to light the headlamp for visibility, like DRLs, > but not so bright as to blind people in cities where there is good > street lighting. > > -- Jim > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
> City light? What’s that? A small bulb in the headlight shell that's hooked to the parking lights. Basically for use at night to light the headlamp for visibility, like DRLs, but not so bright as to blind people in cities where there is good street lighting. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
City light? What’s that? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I don’t recall having to change anything but the connector and run a jumper > to the “city light” in it. > > -D > >> On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:48 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: >> >> Did you mess with the wiring? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> I think Jim is right. I did the swap on my 1963 300SE, and I don’t recall >>> it being anything of significance. >>> >>> -D >>> > On Jan 25, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > I’d like to swap its beautiful euro headlights onto the 220SE. What do > you all think? Is it straightforward? If it's like the W115, I believe you have to replace a 4-pin bakelite connector shell with a 6-pin equivalent. Very straightforward. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
I don’t recall having to change anything but the connector and run a jumper to the “city light” in it. -D > On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:48 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > > Did you mess with the wiring? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I think Jim is right. I did the swap on my 1963 300SE, and I don’t recall >> it being anything of significance. >> >> -D >> On Jan 25, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: I’d like to swap its beautiful euro headlights onto the 220SE. What do you all think? Is it straightforward? >>> >>> If it's like the W115, I believe you have to replace a 4-pin bakelite >>> connector shell with >>> a 6-pin equivalent. Very straightforward. >>> >>> -- Jim >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
Did you mess with the wiring? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think Jim is right. I did the swap on my 1963 300SE, and I don’t recall it > being anything of significance. > > -D > >>> On Jan 25, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I’d like to swap its beautiful euro headlights onto the 220SE. What do you >>> all think? Is it straightforward? >> >> If it's like the W115, I believe you have to replace a 4-pin bakelite >> connector shell with >> a 6-pin equivalent. Very straightforward. >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
I think Jim is right. I did the swap on my 1963 300SE, and I don’t recall it being anything of significance. -D > On Jan 25, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I’d like to swap its beautiful euro headlights onto the 220SE. What do you >> all think? Is it straightforward? > > If it's like the W115, I believe you have to replace a 4-pin bakelite > connector shell with > a 6-pin equivalent. Very straightforward. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
I will take the lights apart and see what’s involved. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 25, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > >> >> I’d like to swap its beautiful euro headlights onto the 220SE. What do you >> all think? Is it straightforward? > > If it's like the W115, I believe you have to replace a 4-pin bakelite > connector shell with > a 6-pin equivalent. Very straightforward. > > -- Jim > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
> I’d like to swap its beautiful euro headlights onto the 220SE. What do you > all think? Is it straightforward? If it's like the W115, I believe you have to replace a 4-pin bakelite connector shell with a 6-pin equivalent. Very straightforward. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
Yes and it’s a shame about the 250. It’s got everything: floor mounted manual, sunroof, euro headlights, factory hitch. But it is remarkably rusty! Nice color too- beige with dark red leather ! The 220 needs some body work, a paint job and the wood restored. It also needs the mechanicals gone through but should be solid mechanically. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 25, 2021, at 7:17 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > wrote: > > Its a shame the 63 is the solid one. Those early cars with their funky > single circuit disc brakes don't really give me much confidence. So many > improvements in the car overall by 1967. > > But, being solid is far more important. I don't think the slight swap is a > big deal, shouldn't be significant wiring changes. > > I agree with the others... keep the transmissions were they are. Someone > in eastern europe will buy that 250SE! > > Jaime > > >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 6:17 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> I have a couple of coupes. Both in sad shape but one is solid with very >> little rust. The good one is a US spec 1963 220SE automatic, the extremely >> rusty one is a euro spec 1967 250SE with floor mounted 4 speed manual. >> >> I need to get the rusty 250SE out of my garage to make room. It’s very >> far gone and I don’t have the time to restore it. I’d like to swap its >> beautiful euro headlights onto the 220SE. What do you all think? Is it >> straightforward? Is the wiring the same? Is this an ok thing to do from an >> originality standpoint? >> >> I’m also thinking about swapping the four speed into the 220. This would >> be a pretty big undertaking and I’m not sure if I’m up to it. Again, >> originality wise what do you all think? >> >> When I’m done I’d like to sell the 250 off. Hopefully someone wants to >> restore it! >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
Do you think the light swap is a plus? Where should I market the 250 in order to capture the Eastern European market? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 25, 2021, at 7:17 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > wrote: > > Its a shame the 63 is the solid one. Those early cars with their funky > single circuit disc brakes don't really give me much confidence. So many > improvements in the car overall by 1967. > > But, being solid is far more important. I don't think the slight swap is a > big deal, shouldn't be significant wiring changes. > > I agree with the others... keep the transmissions were they are. Someone > in eastern europe will buy that 250SE! > > Jaime > > >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 6:17 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> I have a couple of coupes. Both in sad shape but one is solid with very >> little rust. The good one is a US spec 1963 220SE automatic, the extremely >> rusty one is a euro spec 1967 250SE with floor mounted 4 speed manual. >> >> I need to get the rusty 250SE out of my garage to make room. It’s very >> far gone and I don’t have the time to restore it. I’d like to swap its >> beautiful euro headlights onto the 220SE. What do you all think? Is it >> straightforward? Is the wiring the same? Is this an ok thing to do from an >> originality standpoint? >> >> I’m also thinking about swapping the four speed into the 220. This would >> be a pretty big undertaking and I’m not sure if I’m up to it. Again, >> originality wise what do you all think? >> >> When I’m done I’d like to sell the 250 off. Hopefully someone wants to >> restore it! >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
Its a shame the 63 is the solid one. Those early cars with their funky single circuit disc brakes don't really give me much confidence. So many improvements in the car overall by 1967. But, being solid is far more important. I don't think the slight swap is a big deal, shouldn't be significant wiring changes. I agree with the others... keep the transmissions were they are. Someone in eastern europe will buy that 250SE! Jaime On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 6:17 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I have a couple of coupes. Both in sad shape but one is solid with very > little rust. The good one is a US spec 1963 220SE automatic, the extremely > rusty one is a euro spec 1967 250SE with floor mounted 4 speed manual. > > I need to get the rusty 250SE out of my garage to make room. It’s very > far gone and I don’t have the time to restore it. I’d like to swap its > beautiful euro headlights onto the 220SE. What do you all think? Is it > straightforward? Is the wiring the same? Is this an ok thing to do from an > originality standpoint? > > I’m also thinking about swapping the four speed into the 220. This would > be a pretty big undertaking and I’m not sure if I’m up to it. Again, > originality wise what do you all think? > > When I’m done I’d like to sell the 250 off. Hopefully someone wants to > restore it! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
That and the lights. Time for BaT, show Kaleb how it's done. Max Dillon Charleston SC Jan 25, 2021 6:38:34 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes : > Yeah I was thinking the same about the manual tranny. That might be the only > thing that would make the 250 saleable. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 25, 2021, at 6:33 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: >> >> >> I wouldn't swap the gloor shift as that makes the 250 saleable. Why not just >> build a bigger garage & keep them both? >> >> Dwight Giles Jr. >> Wickford RI >> >>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 6:17 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> I have a couple of coupes. Both in sad shape but one is solid with very >>> little rust. The good one is a US spec 1963 220SE automatic, the extremely >>> rusty one is a euro spec 1967 250SE with floor mounted 4 speed manual. >>> >>> I need to get the rusty 250SE out of my garage to make room. It’s very far >>> gone and I don’t have the time to restore it. I’d like to swap its >>> beautiful euro headlights onto the 220SE. What do you all think? Is it >>> straightforward? Is the wiring the same? Is this an ok thing to do from an >>> originality standpoint? >>> >>> I’m also thinking about swapping the four speed into the 220. This would be >>> a pretty big undertaking and I’m not sure if I’m up to it. Again, >>> originality wise what do you all think? >>> >>> When I’m done I’d like to sell the 250 off. Hopefully someone wants to >>> restore it! >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
Yeah I was thinking the same about the manual tranny. That might be the only thing that would make the 250 saleable. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 25, 2021, at 6:33 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: > > > I wouldn't swap the gloor shift as that makes the 250 saleable. Why not just > build a bigger garage & keep them both? > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 6:17 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> I have a couple of coupes. Both in sad shape but one is solid with very >> little rust. The good one is a US spec 1963 220SE automatic, the extremely >> rusty one is a euro spec 1967 250SE with floor mounted 4 speed manual. >> >> I need to get the rusty 250SE out of my garage to make room. It’s very far >> gone and I don’t have the time to restore it. I’d like to swap its beautiful >> euro headlights onto the 220SE. What do you all think? Is it >> straightforward? Is the wiring the same? Is this an ok thing to do from an >> originality standpoint? >> >> I’m also thinking about swapping the four speed into the 220. This would be >> a pretty big undertaking and I’m not sure if I’m up to it. Again, >> originality wise what do you all think? >> >> When I’m done I’d like to sell the 250 off. Hopefully someone wants to >> restore it! >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
I wouldn't swap the gloor shift as that makes the 250 saleable. Why not just build a bigger garage & keep them both? Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 6:17 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I have a couple of coupes. Both in sad shape but one is solid with very > little rust. The good one is a US spec 1963 220SE automatic, the extremely > rusty one is a euro spec 1967 250SE with floor mounted 4 speed manual. > > I need to get the rusty 250SE out of my garage to make room. It’s very > far gone and I don’t have the time to restore it. I’d like to swap its > beautiful euro headlights onto the 220SE. What do you all think? Is it > straightforward? Is the wiring the same? Is this an ok thing to do from an > originality standpoint? > > I’m also thinking about swapping the four speed into the 220. This would > be a pretty big undertaking and I’m not sure if I’m up to it. Again, > originality wise what do you all think? > > When I’m done I’d like to sell the 250 off. Hopefully someone wants to > restore it! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
Why worry? Do what makes you happy. We have seen imperfect cars go for big money on BAT. Maybe try not to alter things in such a way that they cannot be put back to original if someone ultimately wants to go that route, but neither of these cars is a relatively perfect specimen, given you have described them both as being in "sad shape", so why not do whatever you want with them? Randy On 25/01/2021 5:16 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: I have a couple of coupes. Both in sad shape but one is solid with very little rust. The good one is a US spec 1963 220SE automatic, the extremely rusty one is a euro spec 1967 250SE with floor mounted 4 speed manual. I need to get the rusty 250SE out of my garage to make room. It’s very far gone and I don’t have the time to restore it. I’d like to swap its beautiful euro headlights onto the 220SE. What do you all think? Is it straightforward? Is the wiring the same? Is this an ok thing to do from an originality standpoint? I’m also thinking about swapping the four speed into the 220. This would be a pretty big undertaking and I’m not sure if I’m up to it. Again, originality wise what do you all think? When I’m done I’d like to sell the 250 off. Hopefully someone wants to restore it! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W111 coupe dilemma
I have a couple of coupes. Both in sad shape but one is solid with very little rust. The good one is a US spec 1963 220SE automatic, the extremely rusty one is a euro spec 1967 250SE with floor mounted 4 speed manual. I need to get the rusty 250SE out of my garage to make room. It’s very far gone and I don’t have the time to restore it. I’d like to swap its beautiful euro headlights onto the 220SE. What do you all think? Is it straightforward? Is the wiring the same? Is this an ok thing to do from an originality standpoint? I’m also thinking about swapping the four speed into the 220. This would be a pretty big undertaking and I’m not sure if I’m up to it. Again, originality wise what do you all think? When I’m done I’d like to sell the 250 off. Hopefully someone wants to restore it! Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
