Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?

[Fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Rich wrote:
> > >
> > > Also, worth taking the BJs and associated bits to a Benz shop
> > > to have them press the new BJ in with the proper tool, will
> > > take just a few minutes and not cost much,

> > Fmiser wrote:
> >
> > Unless the nearest shop is over 100 miles [160 km] away.  Then
> > it can be quicker and cheaper to buy a ball joint press.

> Rich wrote:
> 
> Well, there is that aspect  but I thought ALL civilized
> territories had Benz shops?

Hah!  Maybe that's true! Which would mean I'm in an UN-civilized
territory.  Some days it seems certain...

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Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?

[LarryT via Mercedes]

Thanks again for the help!   BTW,  please know I am planning this repair 
based on what ya'll tell me - & I appreciate everything people are 
telling me!  Regardless how minor it might appear to you, to me, it may 
be a major input!.
   I did the evaporator because it was relatively simple.   I was 
able to sit in the front seats during 80% of the R&R so my legs and feet 
weren't distressed.  The LCA/BJ would require me to spend a fair amount 
of time sitting on the concrete garage floor.
Don't think I want to do that especially with my pain elevated 
over the last couple of weeks.


Also please understand I have not taken a position on how I will 
proceed yet - what everyone tells me will dictate how I move forward.  I 
went into the garage and double checked the LCAs - they look pristine 
with no visible rust, but i would expect to find things I don't expect 
or want to find once I start on this project - which at this point I am 
leaning toward buying the parts and taking them to the suspension shop I 
just left.  They are super and will use the parts I bring without any 
problem.


I also need to decide what other work I want to do at the same 
time.   The big rubber bushings at the top of the struts are beginning 
to come apart so I will have them done at the same time.


 Also, the Max mentioned Eccentric Bolts -- when I selected what 
appears to be Eccentric Bolt Kit on EPC it said, "Not valid for this 
vehicle".   I know Max has some gas W124s he is working on - do the 
diesels use eccentric bolts where the lcA attaches to the chassis?


Along with the LCAs ($192 ea) and the new Upper Rubber Strut 
Bushings what else do I need?  I have a pair of  strut dust covers.   
Should I plan to replace the spring bushing/shim?  They evidently come 
in different thicknesses.
I also need to talk to the shop again,  They said labor to do the 
LCAs was 2 hours and the labor for the BJs was 1.5hr.   Seems like the 
LCAs should require less labor, right?


I need to study the WSM to see what is involved with this repair.

Thanks for any comments/suggestions..

Larry

On 7/22/2014 6:36 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
I would also suggest you do both sides at once, if one is bad the 
other is not far behind, and it is far easier to do when you are set 
up to do it.


Also, worth taking the BJs and associated bits to a Benz shop to have 
them press the new BJ in with the proper tool, will take just a few 
minutes and not cost much, and will save you LOTS of agita.


Then you will need an alignment.

--R


On 7/22/14 6:29 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
I've recently done this job, and I replaced the ball joints and then 
later

the bushings.

My advice: replace entire lower control arm.  FAR less work, only a 
spring

compressor and a saw-z-all are required.  Buy all new eccentric bolts.

Removing and replacing the ball joints requires a press and a torch.
Installing the new ball joints requires a large clamp to press them in.
You may find rust inside the control arm under the bushings.

If you have the time and inclination, it is a straight forward job, but
lots of labor.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?

[LarryT via Mercedes]

Thanks Max!
Damn, I have to rethink my whole approach.   new LCAs are $192 ea. but 
the BJs and Bushings are much less.  I was going to buy the BJ and 
Bushings but it sounds like I may have trouble doing that


Hmmm...

BTW, there's a BMW shop nearby - I wonder if they can press the BJs out 
& in?   More Hmmm.


Larry


On 7/22/2014 6:29 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I've recently done this job, and I replaced the ball joints and then later
the bushings.

My advice: replace entire lower control arm.  FAR less work, only a spring
compressor and a saw-z-all are required.  Buy all new eccentric bolts.

Removing and replacing the ball joints requires a press and a torch.
Installing the new ball joints requires a large clamp to press them in.
You may find rust inside the control arm under the bushings.

If you have the time and inclination, it is a straight forward job, but
lots of labor.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

This should say: "Installing the new bushings requires a large clamp to
press them in." vice new ball joints.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I would also suggest you do both sides at once, if one is bad the other 
is not far behind, and it is far easier to do when you are set up to do it.


Also, worth taking the BJs and associated bits to a Benz shop to have 
them press the new BJ in with the proper tool, will take just a few 
minutes and not cost much, and will save you LOTS of agita.


Then you will need an alignment.

--R


On 7/22/14 6:29 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I've recently done this job, and I replaced the ball joints and then later
the bushings.

My advice: replace entire lower control arm.  FAR less work, only a spring
compressor and a saw-z-all are required.  Buy all new eccentric bolts.

Removing and replacing the ball joints requires a press and a torch.
Installing the new ball joints requires a large clamp to press them in.
You may find rust inside the control arm under the bushings.

If you have the time and inclination, it is a straight forward job, but
lots of labor.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I've recently done this job, and I replaced the ball joints and then later
the bushings.

My advice: replace entire lower control arm.  FAR less work, only a spring
compressor and a saw-z-all are required.  Buy all new eccentric bolts.

Removing and replacing the ball joints requires a press and a torch.
Installing the new ball joints requires a large clamp to press them in.
You may find rust inside the control arm under the bushings.

If you have the time and inclination, it is a straight forward job, but
lots of labor.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?

[LarryT via Mercedes]

I figured with a name like "1st equip Quality" they must be hiding 
something!


Thanks1
Larry

On 7/22/2014 5:46 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

first equipment quality is among the most dismal of hte chinese crap.



On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:39 PM, LarryT via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


They said the bushings were dry rotted so I think it wise to
replace them also.  It looks like I can replace the bushings and
BJs more economically than getting a new LCA.  But I've never
heard of a supplier of the Bushing Kit called "First Equipment
Quality"  (they may as well named it "A1 Real Good Stuff") :-)

But for the pair I'd save $50 over the LemForder bushing kits.
Should I spring for the Lemforder or might the "First Equipment
Quality" be as good as they'd like me to think they are?

Thanks - now to price the BJs.  Looks like the Lemfotder is
available for $22.36 each.  Not bad!

Actually I have a couple of BJs on the shelf for my '78 240D but i
don't believe they will work in the 91 300D.

Thanks for the help -

Thanks ya'll -
Larry
91 300D


On 7/22/2014 3:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Unless the bushings are bad on the lca you just want to
replace the ball joint. No need for spring compressor but
either need the proper press or the HF one with some pipe adapters

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2014, at 2:23 PM, LarryT via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Hey Ya'll,
Just returned from the shop after being told I have
one BJ that won't pass inspection and the other close
behind.   The shop wasn't clear on which was the more
economical direction to go -- R&R BJ's or R&R LCA's.   I'd
like the list's comments please? Sorry if I missed this
thread before...

Also, Is this something I should attempt?   I have the
tools (exc a spring compressor) and the talent but I'm not
sure I want to undertake another major job after the
Evaporator.  I know that's a personal choice but I'm not
sure how big a job this is?   I have air tools like impact
wrenches and others, - any specialty tools needed?  i have
a spring compressor but I'm a little concerned about it
being robust enough to hold these springs.  I can always
chain the springs to the suspension and lower the LCAs
until the stress is removed, right?   I've done it on
other cars but not a W124 so I'm in unknown territory
here.  Any suggestions are appreciated

Now i'm off to check hurstys prices...  ;-)

Thanks ya'll --
LarryT
91 300D 2.5T

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Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

first equipment quality is among the most dismal of hte chinese crap.



On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:39 PM, LarryT via Mercedes 
wrote:

> They said the bushings were dry rotted so I think it wise to replace them
> also.  It looks like I can replace the bushings and BJs more economically
> than getting a new LCA.  But I've never heard of a supplier of the Bushing
> Kit called "First Equipment Quality"  (they may as well named it "A1 Real
> Good Stuff") :-)
>
> But for the pair I'd save $50 over the LemForder bushing kits. Should I
> spring for the Lemforder or might the "First Equipment Quality" be as good
> as they'd like me to think they are?
>
> Thanks - now to price the BJs.  Looks like the Lemfotder is available for
> $22.36 each.  Not bad!
>
> Actually I have a couple of BJs on the shelf for my '78 240D but i don't
> believe they will work in the 91 300D.
>
> Thanks for the help -
>
> Thanks ya'll -
> Larry
> 91 300D
>
>
> On 7/22/2014 3:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
>> Unless the bushings are bad on the lca you just want to replace the ball
>> joint. No need for spring compressor but either need the proper press or
>> the HF one with some pipe adapters
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>  On Jul 22, 2014, at 2:23 PM, LarryT via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Ya'll,
>>> Just returned from the shop after being told I have one BJ that
>>> won't pass inspection and the other close behind.   The shop wasn't clear
>>> on which was the more economical direction to go -- R&R BJ's or R&R LCA's.
>>>   I'd like the list's comments please? Sorry if I missed this thread
>>> before...
>>>
>>> Also, Is this something I should attempt?   I have the tools (exc a
>>> spring compressor) and the talent but I'm not sure I want to undertake
>>> another major job after the Evaporator.  I know that's a personal choice
>>> but I'm not sure how big a job this is?   I have air tools like impact
>>> wrenches and others, - any specialty tools needed?  i have a spring
>>> compressor but I'm a little concerned about it being robust enough to hold
>>> these springs.  I can always chain the springs to the suspension and lower
>>> the LCAs until the stress is removed, right?   I've done it on other cars
>>> but not a W124 so I'm in unknown territory here.  Any suggestions are
>>> appreciated
>>>
>>> Now i'm off to check hurstys prices...  ;-)
>>>
>>> Thanks ya'll --
>>> LarryT
>>> 91 300D 2.5T
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?

[LarryT via Mercedes]

They said the bushings were dry rotted so I think it wise to replace 
them also.  It looks like I can replace the bushings and BJs more 
economically than getting a new LCA.  But I've never heard of a supplier 
of the Bushing Kit called "First Equipment Quality"  (they may as well 
named it "A1 Real Good Stuff") :-)


But for the pair I'd save $50 over the LemForder bushing kits. Should I 
spring for the Lemforder or might the "First Equipment Quality" be as 
good as they'd like me to think they are?


Thanks - now to price the BJs.  Looks like the Lemfotder is available 
for $22.36 each.  Not bad!


Actually I have a couple of BJs on the shelf for my '78 240D but i don't 
believe they will work in the 91 300D.


Thanks for the help -

Thanks ya'll -
Larry
91 300D

On 7/22/2014 3:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Unless the bushings are bad on the lca you just want to replace the ball joint. 
No need for spring compressor but either need the proper press or the HF one 
with some pipe adapters

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 22, 2014, at 2:23 PM, LarryT via Mercedes  wrote:

Hey Ya'll,
Just returned from the shop after being told I have one BJ that won't pass 
inspection and the other close behind.   The shop wasn't clear on which was the more 
economical direction to go -- R&R BJ's or R&R LCA's.   I'd like the list's 
comments please? Sorry if I missed this thread before...

Also, Is this something I should attempt?   I have the tools (exc a spring 
compressor) and the talent but I'm not sure I want to undertake another major 
job after the Evaporator.  I know that's a personal choice but I'm not sure how 
big a job this is?   I have air tools like impact wrenches and others, - any 
specialty tools needed?  i have a spring compressor but I'm a little concerned 
about it being robust enough to hold these springs.  I can always chain the 
springs to the suspension and lower the LCAs until the stress is removed, 
right?   I've done it on other cars but not a W124 so I'm in unknown territory 
here.  Any suggestions are appreciated

Now i'm off to check hurstys prices...  ;-)

Thanks ya'll --
LarryT
91 300D 2.5T

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Re: [MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Unless the bushings are bad on the lca you just want to replace the ball joint. 
No need for spring compressor but either need the proper press or the HF one 
with some pipe adapters 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2014, at 2:23 PM, LarryT via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey Ya'll,
>Just returned from the shop after being told I have one BJ that won't pass 
> inspection and the other close behind.   The shop wasn't clear on which was 
> the more economical direction to go -- R&R BJ's or R&R LCA's.   I'd like the 
> list's comments please? Sorry if I missed this thread before...
> 
>Also, Is this something I should attempt?   I have the tools (exc a spring 
> compressor) and the talent but I'm not sure I want to undertake another major 
> job after the Evaporator.  I know that's a personal choice but I'm not sure 
> how big a job this is?   I have air tools like impact wrenches and others, - 
> any specialty tools needed?  i have a spring compressor but I'm a little 
> concerned about it being robust enough to hold these springs.  I can always 
> chain the springs to the suspension and lower the LCAs until the stress is 
> removed, right?   I've done it on other cars but not a W124 so I'm in unknown 
> territory here.  Any suggestions are appreciated
> 
>Now i'm off to check hurstys prices...  ;-)
> 
> Thanks ya'll --
> LarryT
> 91 300D 2.5T
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[MBZ] W124 LCA's Vs BJ's?

[LarryT via Mercedes]

Hey Ya'll,
Just returned from the shop after being told I have one BJ that 
won't pass inspection and the other close behind.   The shop wasn't 
clear on which was the more economical direction to go -- R&R BJ's or 
R&R LCA's.   I'd like the list's comments please? Sorry if I missed this 
thread before...


Also, Is this something I should attempt?   I have the tools (exc a 
spring compressor) and the talent but I'm not sure I want to undertake 
another major job after the Evaporator.  I know that's a personal choice 
but I'm not sure how big a job this is?   I have air tools like impact 
wrenches and others, - any specialty tools needed?  i have a spring 
compressor but I'm a little concerned about it being robust enough to 
hold these springs.  I can always chain the springs to the suspension 
and lower the LCAs until the stress is removed, right?   I've done it on 
other cars but not a W124 so I'm in unknown territory here.  Any 
suggestions are appreciated


Now i'm off to check hurstys prices...  ;-)

Thanks ya'll --
LarryT
91 300D 2.5T

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