Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The LEDs last practically forever, I've had a CREE LED bulb controller die in 
as few as 5 years. That was a 20 dollar bulb when it was new.Probably has a 
warranty, not worth chasing it down.
I recently got a 60w equivalent Sylvania LED for $0.50 on close out at our 
local hardware store. Got 4x 100w equivalent for $2.99...
-Curt

On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 10:25:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I was at Lowes this evening because I wanted to purchase some motion 
sensing lights for beside the garage and porch light.  I also needed to 
get some bulbs.  It has been many years since we have used regular old 
fashioned bulbs that cost a buck for a 4 pack.  We usually get a big box 
of those CFL bulbs fairly cheap. Lowes only had a couple of choices of 
these and they were expensive.  It seems most of the bulbs now offered 
are LED.  They are not exactly cheap but were cheaper than the CFL bulbs 
they had.  I got the cheapest per bulb I could find and the highest I 
found were 60W equivalent.  I did find some 75W but they were much more 
expensive and only in a 2 or 4 pack IIRC.  So are guess LED is what 
everything is going to? How long are these things supposed to last?  I 
ended up spending way more than I wanted to between the fixtures and the 
various bulbs we needed for the house.


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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> https://www.amazon.com//dp/B07SRLWQZL/ 
> 

Yuk!  The current lamp is decorative, as well as functional.  Anything marketed
as Disco Dance Party need not apply.

All we need is a slab replacement bulb-equivalent in order to remain functional
and as decorative as it is, yet without becoming a bug crematorium.  (Moths that
investigate that highly attractive bright and HOT 500W halogen bulb usually get
the Big Surprise.)

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Jim wrote:

> They don't have anything to replace those 500W tube halogens.
> Need a 10,000 lumen cob array, in warm white.

Maybe like this?

https://www.amazon.com//dp/B07SRLWQZL/

I'm not sure if that one has an IR remote.  Some of the PAR-type
instruments do.

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Clay via Mercedes]

I forgot about the low voltage undercabinet lighting!  Those got LED bulbs 
because the upper cabinet storage of spices was decreasing shelf life due to 
heat.  Also would melt chocolate and shortening

clay 

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> On May 24, 2020, at 5:42 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Several years ago, believing that 100W bulbs were being banned,
> 
> I believe the ban was repealed or postponed.  Not, however, before the last
> bulb-making plant in the US was killed as a result.
> 
> The 40W-equivalent bulbs I'm so fond of, the decoratives, are Philips,
> which is a brand I trust.  They also seem to be extremely well designed,
> and I've yet had one to fail in any way.  We're running 16 of them, most
> of them outside.  Most of them are lit many hours of each day, it's been
> over two years now.  Other lamps that are on a lot I have replaced with
> LEDs as they burned out.  We still have a lot of incandescents in the
> house, and some CFLs, in the rarely-used fixtures.
> 
> I prefer the warm white bulbs, the daylight bulbs are simply too 'cold'
> looking for my taste.  Yes, they have more lumens.  So what?
> 
> The camper got the same treatment.  And there, the 10x reduction in
> battery draw is very significant.  There are only two incandescents left
> there.  One of them needs to be an incandescent, the one in the refrigerator,
> because its heat output is functional.  (The 'Winter' setting turns the bulb
> on inside the cabinet, to make it run more so that the freezer doesn't thaw.)
> The other (closet) I haven't found a form-factor LED bulb for.
> 
> Yes, lumens is the better way to rate.  Problem is that I don't know the lumen
> ratings of any of the incandescents I used to buy!  If I needed bright, I put 
> in
> a 100W bulb...  So, watt-equivalent is how I think.  The packages should be
> marked with both, then everybody is happy.
> 
> Hmm, my own rant.  Incandescent and CFL bulbs are generally omnidirectional.
> If I buy an LED bulb that is not, let's say, then maybe it's _not_ a 
> watt-equivalent
> bulb.  "I replaced this 60W bulb with a 60W-equivalent LED, and it sucks!"
> The one place I have exploited LED-ness is in the range hood in the camper.
> The peanut incandescent (omni) bulb was replaced with a square stick-on
> panel of supposed-equivalent lumenage, but ALL of the light now aims down
> at the stove surface.  VASTLY better than the lame-o bulb of the original 
> design.
> But, not as good as a night light...
> 
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Clay via Mercedes]

Opposite climate for me.  I hate the squirrelly bulbs and LED because they are 
cold.  A good filament bulb would pump out calories to keep you warm as your 
read a book at night at the far reach of the heating vents.  They also put out 
a better Kelvin color so you felt warmed instead of flipping the switch to a 
cool lamp that takes a few minutes to get up to operating 
temperature/color/lumens.  In AK, the darn furnace runs almost 50 weeks of the 
year.  SEA I could keep the furnace at 62f, turn on real bulbs as I needed in a 
room and the furnace stayed off from mid-April to Halloween.  Winter the NatGas 
bill total ran all of $500, including the delivery fees and such.

I did toss LED bulbs into the outdoor fixtures and they last about as well as 
cheep chinee filaments did

clay 

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> On May 24, 2020, at 3:20 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A lot less electricity. That and they don’t produce any discernible heat, 
> either. That’s important in my part of the world where AC is on a good part 
> of the year. In my kitchen there are seven can/recessed fixtures. A day or 
> two’s worth of use with incandescent lamps is easily the total of the year’s 
> consumption of the same lamps in LED. Yes, they cost more, but even 
> considering the additional cost they’re still cheaper in the long run and we 
> don’t have the additional heat load.
> 
> It’s been my experience having used LED bulbs throughout my house for a good 
> five years if not longer that they do last longer than an incandescent bulb 
> of the same wattage and size.
> 
> Incandescent bulbs have been on the way out for a while. I believe their 
> production has been mandated to be either eliminated or severely reduced over 
> time.
> 
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Two of those would get you 10,000 lumens, but they are "daylight" white 
> (5000K).

They're $50 each, vs the $0.99-2.99 price for a replacement halogen bulb.
Not there yet.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I bought these for the back yard.

https://www.amazon.com/GKOLED-Waterproof-Equivalent-DLC-Qualified-Adjustable/dp/B06VWS37LG

Two of those would get you 10,000 lumens, but they are "daylight" white (5000K).


Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:

>> Try https://www.superbrightleds.com/ 
>
> They don't have anything to replace those 500W tube halogens.
> Need a 10,000 lumen cob array, in warm white.
>
> -- Jim
>

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Try https://www.superbrightleds.com/ 

They don't have anything to replace those 500W tube halogens.
Need a 10,000 lumen cob array, in warm white.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 24 May 2020 06:54:06 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The remaining 'problem' light is a 500W torchiere that my wife uses for
> jigsaw puzzles. Basically, a work light.  I haven't seen anything good
> advertised for those, yet.  A unidirectional cob panel type would be
> perfect, if it emitted the same effective lumenage.  Oh, and it needs
> to be dimmable. 


Try https://www.superbrightleds.com/

They are having a Memorial Day sale, 10% OFF W/ CODE  MEMDAY2020 


> I guess we have three of these, two more get used when her quartets and
> quintets are over for rehearsals.  The bright but soft indirect
> lighting (from the ceiling) is wonderful for reading sheet music.

I can see how that would be helpful.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan wrote:

> The power supplies for the LED bulbs generate RF in the same
> range as automatic garage door openers, enough that it’s been
> shown that their use will reduce the range of the wireless
> remotes due to interference.

Depends on the LED driver.  There are quite a few different ones.

The Dollar Tree lamps current limiter probably won't cause
troubles as it is not a switching mode power supply, though it
might generate some broad band RF noise.  I have not checked.

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> The power supplies for the LED bulbs generate RF

Not guaranteed.  This is just poor design, which could/should be corrected
in higher-quality products.  But, they'll _never_ be as robust and 'clean'
as a simple metal filament.  Consider an EMP.  The filament has to
actually be heated more than white-hot by the pulse in order to do
damage.  To do fatal damage to an LED junction, or junctions in any
semiconductor devices in its power supply, requires much less energy.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here’s some trivia around the use of LED bulbs in automatic garage door openers:

The power supplies for the LED bulbs generate RF in the same range as automatic 
garage door openers, enough that it’s been shown that their use will reduce the 
range of the wireless remotes due to interference.

-D

> On May 24, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> The fixture I bought for the front porch uses 4 of those small socket type 
>> bulbs and it says max 25W.
> 
> That means that using 25W incandescents (100W) will not generate enough heat 
> to cause a fire,
> or other failure of the fixture itself, or overheat the ceiling, or harm the 
> incandescent bulbs themselves.
> Your 5W (actual) bulbs will not cause the fixture or the ceiling any 
> problems.  However, 20W of heat
> _may_ cause the LED bulbs themselves problems, if it gets too hot in there.  
> Probably not, though.
> The current-limiters in the bulbs are electronic, and need heat sinking.  The 
> smaller ones now put that
> in the screw base, where the heat can be conducted away by the socket.  The 
> heat from the LEDs
> proper in those is usually conducted/convected away by Helium gas in the 
> envelope.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> The fixture I bought for the front porch uses 4 of those small socket type 
> bulbs and it says max 25W.

That means that using 25W incandescents (100W) will not generate enough heat to 
cause a fire,
or other failure of the fixture itself, or overheat the ceiling, or harm the 
incandescent bulbs themselves.
Your 5W (actual) bulbs will not cause the fixture or the ceiling any problems.  
However, 20W of heat
_may_ cause the LED bulbs themselves problems, if it gets too hot in there.  
Probably not, though.
The current-limiters in the bulbs are electronic, and need heat sinking.  The 
smaller ones now put that
in the screw base, where the heat can be conducted away by the socket.  The 
heat from the LEDs
proper in those is usually conducted/convected away by Helium gas in the 
envelope.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> A lot less electricity. That and they don’t produce any discernible heat, 
> either. That’s important in my part of the world where AC is on

LEDs seem to be at about the 10% point now, when compared to an equivalent 
incandescent.
Yes, significant where the waste heat must be removed via heat pump.  Nearly 
insignificant
in colder climes in houses with electric heat (like ours).  But, we don't use 
AC but rather a
swamp cooler.  It doesn't cycle and runs continuously from mid-morning til 
night.  Still, less
heat load in cooling season means the room gets cooler than it would, which is 
good.

The remaining 'problem' light is a 500W torchiere that my wife uses for jigsaw 
puzzles.
Basically, a work light.  I haven't seen anything good advertised for those, 
yet.  A unidirectional
cob panel type would be perfect, if it emitted the same effective lumenage.  
Oh, and it needs to be
dimmable.  I guess we have three of these, two more get used when her quartets 
and quintets
are over for rehearsals.  The bright but soft indirect lighting (from the 
ceiling) is wonderful
for reading sheet music.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Several years ago, believing that 100W bulbs were being banned,

I believe the ban was repealed or postponed.  Not, however, before the last
bulb-making plant in the US was killed as a result.

The 40W-equivalent bulbs I'm so fond of, the decoratives, are Philips,
which is a brand I trust.  They also seem to be extremely well designed,
and I've yet had one to fail in any way.  We're running 16 of them, most
of them outside.  Most of them are lit many hours of each day, it's been
over two years now.  Other lamps that are on a lot I have replaced with
LEDs as they burned out.  We still have a lot of incandescents in the
house, and some CFLs, in the rarely-used fixtures.

I prefer the warm white bulbs, the daylight bulbs are simply too 'cold'
looking for my taste.  Yes, they have more lumens.  So what?

The camper got the same treatment.  And there, the 10x reduction in
battery draw is very significant.  There are only two incandescents left
there.  One of them needs to be an incandescent, the one in the refrigerator,
because its heat output is functional.  (The 'Winter' setting turns the bulb
on inside the cabinet, to make it run more so that the freezer doesn't thaw.)
The other (closet) I haven't found a form-factor LED bulb for.

Yes, lumens is the better way to rate.  Problem is that I don't know the lumen
ratings of any of the incandescents I used to buy!  If I needed bright, I put in
a 100W bulb...  So, watt-equivalent is how I think.  The packages should be
marked with both, then everybody is happy.

Hmm, my own rant.  Incandescent and CFL bulbs are generally omnidirectional.
If I buy an LED bulb that is not, let's say, then maybe it's _not_ a 
watt-equivalent
bulb.  "I replaced this 60W bulb with a 60W-equivalent LED, and it sucks!"
The one place I have exploited LED-ness is in the range hood in the camper.
The peanut incandescent (omni) bulb was replaced with a square stick-on
panel of supposed-equivalent lumenage, but ALL of the light now aims down
at the stove surface.  VASTLY better than the lame-o bulb of the original 
design.
But, not as good as a night light...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The thing I hated about CFLs was that they took a minute to develop full 
output. I had a couple in a hall where our pantry was, and I always hated that 
if I wanted full brightness out of them I would have to wait.

-D

> On May 24, 2020, at 8:31 AM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Several years ago, believing that 100W bulbs were being banned, I stocked
> up on them. I use them in shop lights, where I frequently break bulbs.
> But it seems like I've seen them on sale recently.
> 
> I went pretty strong on the CFL bandwagon about 15 years ago.
> The number of 5000 hour bulbs that I replaced starting about a year later
> was quite prodigious.
> 
> Then five years ago, Philips LEDs became as cheap as CFLs of a decade
> before. I bought a bunch, and started swapping out the CFLs.
> I have yet to have a LED fail.
> 
> The Philips soft white are rather yellow, I believe 2700K.
> The daylight are somewhat blue and harsh at 5000k.
> I wish they were more like 3200-4300k. The 4300K bulbs in my S420 are
> about as blue as I'd want.
> With the Philips, I've been using soft white in open bulb fixtures, like
> in the  basement. If the bulb is covered, the 5000K daylight are OK.
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> 
> On Sun, May 24, 2020 7:20 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Incandescent bulbs have been on the way out for a while. I believe their
>> production has been mandated to be either eliminated or severely reduced
>> over time.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

Several years ago, believing that 100W bulbs were being banned, I stocked
up on them. I use them in shop lights, where I frequently break bulbs.
But it seems like I've seen them on sale recently.

I went pretty strong on the CFL bandwagon about 15 years ago.
The number of 5000 hour bulbs that I replaced starting about a year later
was quite prodigious.

Then five years ago, Philips LEDs became as cheap as CFLs of a decade
before. I bought a bunch, and started swapping out the CFLs.
I have yet to have a LED fail.

The Philips soft white are rather yellow, I believe 2700K.
The daylight are somewhat blue and harsh at 5000k.
I wish they were more like 3200-4300k. The 4300K bulbs in my S420 are
about as blue as I'd want.
With the Philips, I've been using soft white in open bulb fixtures, like
in the  basement. If the bulb is covered, the 5000K daylight are OK.

Mitch.


On Sun, May 24, 2020 7:20 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
> Incandescent bulbs have been on the way out for a while. I believe their
> production has been mandated to be either eliminated or severely reduced
> over time.


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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

A lot less electricity. That and they don’t produce any discernible heat, 
either. That’s important in my part of the world where AC is on a good part of 
the year. In my kitchen there are seven can/recessed fixtures. A day or two’s 
worth of use with incandescent lamps is easily the total of the year’s 
consumption of the same lamps in LED. Yes, they cost more, but even considering 
the additional cost they’re still cheaper in the long run and we don’t have the 
additional heat load.

It’s been my experience having used LED bulbs throughout my house for a good 
five years if not longer that they do last longer than an incandescent bulb of 
the same wattage and size.

Incandescent bulbs have been on the way out for a while. I believe their 
production has been mandated to be either eliminated or severely reduced over 
time.

-D

> On May 24, 2020, at 12:47 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In my experience the standard household CFL and LED bulbs don't last any
> longer than the now illegal old incandescents I used to get for $1 for 4
> bulbs at the dollar store.
> 
> They do use less electricity though.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I was at Lowes this evening because I wanted to purchase some motion 
>> sensing lights for beside the garage and porch light.  I also needed to 
>> get some bulbs.  It has been many years since we have used regular old 
>> fashioned bulbs that cost a buck for a 4 pack.  We usually get a big box 
>> of those CFL bulbs fairly cheap. Lowes only had a couple of choices of 
>> these and they were expensive.  It seems most of the bulbs now offered 
>> are LED.  They are not exactly cheap but were cheaper than the CFL bulbs 
>> they had.  I got the cheapest per bulb I could find and the highest I 
>> found were 60W equivalent.  I did find some 75W but they were much more 
>> expensive and only in a 2 or 4 pack IIRC.  So are guess LED is what 
>> everything is going to? How long are these things supposed to last?  I 
>> ended up spending way more than I wanted to between the fixtures and the 
>> various bulbs we needed for the house.
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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>I have always loathed the CFLs, as they _never_ last >like they're supposed to,

I switched to CFL's before it was trendy. I have one or maybe two left that 
still work that have a made in USA label on them. I was late to the party on 
the LEDs as they were quite pricey when they first came out. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

In my experience the standard household CFL and LED bulbs don't last any
longer than the now illegal old incandescents I used to get for $1 for 4
bulbs at the dollar store.

They do use less electricity though.

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> I was at Lowes this evening because I wanted to purchase some motion 
> sensing lights for beside the garage and porch light.  I also needed to 
> get some bulbs.  It has been many years since we have used regular old 
> fashioned bulbs that cost a buck for a 4 pack.  We usually get a big box 
> of those CFL bulbs fairly cheap. Lowes only had a couple of choices of 
> these and they were expensive.  It seems most of the bulbs now offered 
> are LED.  They are not exactly cheap but were cheaper than the CFL bulbs 
> they had.  I got the cheapest per bulb I could find and the highest I 
> found were 60W equivalent.  I did find some 75W but they were much more 
> expensive and only in a 2 or 4 pack IIRC.  So are guess LED is what 
> everything is going to? How long are these things supposed to last?  I 
> ended up spending way more than I wanted to between the fixtures and the 
> various bulbs we needed for the house.

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 23 May 2020 23:13:21 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > Craig wrote:
> 
> > I just got 6 each 60 W equivalent for $4.95 with the Public
> > Service Company of New Mexico (power company) discount.
> 
> Light output?

800 lumens


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:25:45 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On Sat, 23 May 2020 23:12:18 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > For the garage, I used to look for at least 1000 L for the 75 W
> > incandescent lamps I used in there.  I'm still looking for a well
> > built, non-expensive LED with 1000 to 1200 L output.
> 
> The Feit LED bulbs I get at Costco put out 1600 L.
> 
> I choose the 3000 K bulbs with the 90+ CRI (Color Rendering Index) and
> pass by the "daylight" 5000 K bulbs. They are rated for 15,000 hours,
> have a 5 year, free replacement warranty, and usually cost around $12.00
> for four. Sometimes they are discounted to $8.50.

Marked on the ceramic base of the bulb:

CEOM100/930/4(N)
17.5W 120VAC 60Hz 165mA
1600 LUMENS UL#E330072
256-18-05

 LISTED
LED LAMP
  5DG6


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 23 May 2020 23:12:18 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> For the garage, I used to look for at least 1000 L for the 75 W
> incandescent lamps I used in there.  I'm still looking for a well
> built, non-expensive LED with 1000 to 1200 L output.

The Feit LED bulbs I get at Costco put out 1600 L.

I choose the 3000 K bulbs with the 90+ CRI (Color Rendering Index) and
pass by the "daylight" 5000 K bulbs. They are rated for 15,000 hours,
have a 5 year, free replacement warranty, and usually cost around $12.00
for four. Sometimes they are discounted to $8.50.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Kaleb wrote:

> The fixture... says max 25W.  

> I bought a box of 60W equivalent which are  actually 5W I
> believe.  Since they are actually only 5W is it OK to use in
> this fixture?

Yup.  Watt is a Watt.

"Watt equivalent" is [omitted]!

However, if it is a very enclosed fixture, the LED lamp may not be
cooled as well as it expects.  Some LEDs are rated for "base down"
applications only and not enclosed, recessed, ceiling mount, base
up applications.

The fixture would be fine - but the 5 W LED might overheat and
fail early.

Usually the LED portion is fine, it's actually the drive circuit
that fails.  All too often long before the million hour life
rating of the LEDs.


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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Jim wrote:

> LEDs can't take the heat, nor do they generate much.  So don't
> use them in your brooder houses...

Or lava lamps

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Craig wrote:

> I just got 6 each 60 W equivalent for $4.95 with the Public
> Service Company of New Mexico (power company) discount.

Light output?

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Kaleb wrote:

> I got the cheapest per bulb I could find

> the highest I found were 60W equivalent.



[strong expletives obscured] "Watt equivalent"

Use Lumens.

Lumen is a measure of the total light output with no regard to
direction or distance to illuminated surface.

"Watt equivalent" is whatever the marketing folks want it to be.
I've seen anything from 450 to 800 L for a 60 "Watt equivalent".



600-700 L is probably about what you expect.  And with lumens, it
doesn't matter if the light is from incandescent, halogen, LED,
CFL, fusion, carbon-arc, acetylene gas, or lightning bugs.

> I ended up spending way more than I wanted to between the
>fixtures and the various bulbs we
> needed for the house.

If you are willing to support the communists in China, Dollar Tree
has 8 W, 800 L ones. (for $1).  I opened up the first one I got
and it uses a simple, rugged, and low-heat current limiter.  So I
bought a few more.  I _REALLY_ don't like supporting the enemy,
but I also really don't like spending money on poorly designed
lamps.

For the garage, I used to look for at least 1000 L for the 75 W
incandescent lamps I used in there.  I'm still looking for a well
built, non-expensive LED with 1000 to 1200 L output.

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I've found all I need at Lowes as a rule.  Also at the grocery.

I've gone back and forth on Kelvin rating, I prefer the daylight ones, but they 
sometimes seem too blue.

I can find 100W equivalent easily (which reminds me, I want one for the bedroom 
ceilng fixture).

The only LEDs I have had fail so far are one of the very early "corncob" cheap 
chinese one, the twin of which is still working as well as new in the basement, 
gotta be six or seven years now.  I also had an exterior flood lamp fry, but it 
was obviously separating in the middle and I assume shorted from water 
accumulation.

They should last a decade or so in normal use, far longer than any incandescent 
I've ever had.  I've been replacing incandescent lamps in the audio equipment 
with LEDs too.
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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 23 May 2020 19:40:19 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> High-wattage LED replacements are still spotty, but they seem to be at
> the 60W level just fine.

The 100 W equivalent LED bulbs made by Feit which Costco sells work well.
We are using seven of them to light our "long room" and they run 14 hours
per day with no problems.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 23 May 2020 21:49:57 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Here is one other question I had about them.  The fixture I bought for 
> the front porch uses 4 of those small socket type bulbs and it says max 
> 25W.  I am going on the assumption that is 25W incandescent.  I bought
> a box of 60W equivalent which are actually 5W I believe.  Since they
> are actually only 5W is it OK to use in this fixture?

As far as the fixture is concerned, yes. If the fixture is enclosed, the
bulbs might not last as long as expected since they would have no way to
get rid of their (little) heat.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 23 May 2020 21:35:50 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> the dim bub obungler geniuses in the swamp decreed that thou shalt not 
> buy light bubs.  you must use the planet destroying curley fry light 
> bubs,   that kill the fishes mit mucry.  So everyone had to buy curley 
> fry light bubs.   THen LED bubs got cheaper so the exiting obunglers 
> said "You must buy LED bubs, but you can only buy dim bubs so nobody
> can see what dim bubs we are!"

I have purchased Feit 100 W equivalent LED bulbs from Costco. They are
plenty bright and much improvement over 60 W equivalent.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Here is one other question I had about them.  The fixture I bought for 
the front porch uses 4 of those small socket type bulbs and it says max 
25W.  I am going on the assumption that is 25W incandescent.  I bought a 
box of 60W equivalent which are actually 5W I believe.  Since they are 
actually only 5W is it OK to use in this fixture?


On 5/23/2020 9:40 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

I have always loathed the CFLs, as they _never_ last like they're supposed to,
the light quality is often kind of crappy, and they end up flickering.  They 
also don't
work in environmental extremes, and don't like getting wet.

LEDs are now as cheap to make as CFLs, expect the latter to basically die out.
I am unaware of _any_ advantage they offer over the alternatives.  Good 
riddance.
(LED bulbs are also fluorescents, so phosphor color arguments are null. The 
phosphors
are just excited by blue or UV LEDs instead of UV from mercury vapor arcs.  LED
bulbs will also exhibit age-based dimming as the phosphors, and/or LEDs, age
and die.)

High-wattage LED replacements are still spotty, but they seem to be at the 60W
level just fine.  Light quality is excellent, as is cold environment range.  If 
you should
get the all-glass exposed-filament types, up to 40W I believe, I think they can 
even
get wet.  To the eye, they are nearly indistinguishable from incandescent lamps 
of
the same class.  I love, love, love the 4W bulbs we're using in the outdoor 
sconces,
they're 40W equivalents.

The closer they look to incandescents the better I like them.  The worst are the
very plastic-ey ones with finned heat sinks, etc.  In lower wattages they don't 
need
heat sinks, because they're using helium-filled envelopes.  He (and H) have 
nearly
10x the heat-carrying capacity of air, or Ar, N, CO2, etc., so they can use the 
entire
glass envelope as a heat sink.

LEDs are superior (to incandescent) in drop lamps, but inferior in ovens---Easy 
Bake
or otherwise.  LEDs can't take the heat, nor do they generate much.  So don't 
use them
in your brooder houses...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I have always loathed the CFLs, as they _never_ last like they're supposed to,
the light quality is often kind of crappy, and they end up flickering.  They 
also don't
work in environmental extremes, and don't like getting wet.

LEDs are now as cheap to make as CFLs, expect the latter to basically die out.
I am unaware of _any_ advantage they offer over the alternatives.  Good 
riddance.
(LED bulbs are also fluorescents, so phosphor color arguments are null. The 
phosphors
are just excited by blue or UV LEDs instead of UV from mercury vapor arcs.  LED
bulbs will also exhibit age-based dimming as the phosphors, and/or LEDs, age
and die.)

High-wattage LED replacements are still spotty, but they seem to be at the 60W
level just fine.  Light quality is excellent, as is cold environment range.  If 
you should
get the all-glass exposed-filament types, up to 40W I believe, I think they can 
even
get wet.  To the eye, they are nearly indistinguishable from incandescent lamps 
of
the same class.  I love, love, love the 4W bulbs we're using in the outdoor 
sconces,
they're 40W equivalents.

The closer they look to incandescents the better I like them.  The worst are the
very plastic-ey ones with finned heat sinks, etc.  In lower wattages they don't 
need
heat sinks, because they're using helium-filled envelopes.  He (and H) have 
nearly
10x the heat-carrying capacity of air, or Ar, N, CO2, etc., so they can use the 
entire
glass envelope as a heat sink.

LEDs are superior (to incandescent) in drop lamps, but inferior in ovens---Easy 
Bake
or otherwise.  LEDs can't take the heat, nor do they generate much.  So don't 
use them
in your brooder houses...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That was a lot cheaper than I paid.  I do not have a costco membership 
but did not think to look at Sam's.


On 5/23/2020 9:30 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2020 21:25:18 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:


I was at Lowes this evening because I wanted to purchase some motion
sensing lights for beside the garage and porch light.  I also needed to
get some bulbs.  It has been many years since we have used regular old
fashioned bulbs that cost a buck for a 4 pack.  We usually get a big
box of those CFL bulbs fairly cheap. Lowes only had a couple of choices
of these and they were expensive.  It seems most of the bulbs now
offered are LED.  They are not exactly cheap but were cheaper than the
CFL bulbs they had.  I got the cheapest per bulb I could find and the
highest I found were 60W equivalent.  I did find some 75W but they were
much more expensive and only in a 2 or 4 pack IIRC.  So are guess LED
is what everything is going to? How long are these things supposed to
last?  I ended up spending way more than I wanted to between the
fixtures and the various bulbs we needed for the house.

I have found the cheapest way to buy LED bulbs is to get the Feit LED
bulbs at Costco.

I just got 6 each 60 W equivalent for $4.95 with the Public Service
Company of New Mexico (power company) discount.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

the dim bub obungler geniuses in the swamp decreed that thou shalt not 
buy light bubs.  you must use the planet destroying curley fry light 
bubs,   that kill the fishes mit mucry.  So everyone had to buy curley 
fry light bubs.   THen LED bubs got cheaper so the exiting obunglers 
said "You must buy LED bubs, but you can only buy dim bubs so nobody can 
see what dim bubs we are!"


I've got curley fry light bubs I'll send you for shipping and some MB parts.

If you go to banggood or dx you can buy cheep chinee chit led bubs that 
get a little brighter than the obungler (J) crowd.



Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
May 23, 2020 at 9:25 PM
I was at Lowes this evening because I wanted to purchase some motion 
sensing lights for beside the garage and porch light.  I also needed 
to get some bulbs.  It has been many years since we have used regular 
old fashioned bulbs that cost a buck for a 4 pack.  We usually get a 
big box of those CFL bulbs fairly cheap. Lowes only had a couple of 
choices of these and they were expensive.  It seems most of the bulbs 
now offered are LED.  They are not exactly cheap but were cheaper than 
the CFL bulbs they had.  I got the cheapest per bulb I could find and 
the highest I found were 60W equivalent.  I did find some 75W but they 
were much more expensive and only in a 2 or 4 pack IIRC.  So are guess 
LED is what everything is going to? How long are these things supposed 
to last?  I ended up spending way more than I wanted to between the 
fixtures and the various bulbs we needed for the house.



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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 23 May 2020 21:25:18 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I was at Lowes this evening because I wanted to purchase some motion 
> sensing lights for beside the garage and porch light.  I also needed to 
> get some bulbs.  It has been many years since we have used regular old 
> fashioned bulbs that cost a buck for a 4 pack.  We usually get a big
> box of those CFL bulbs fairly cheap. Lowes only had a couple of choices
> of these and they were expensive.  It seems most of the bulbs now
> offered are LED.  They are not exactly cheap but were cheaper than the
> CFL bulbs they had.  I got the cheapest per bulb I could find and the
> highest I found were 60W equivalent.  I did find some 75W but they were
> much more expensive and only in a 2 or 4 pack IIRC.  So are guess LED
> is what everything is going to? How long are these things supposed to
> last?  I ended up spending way more than I wanted to between the
> fixtures and the various bulbs we needed for the house.

I have found the cheapest way to buy LED bulbs is to get the Feit LED
bulbs at Costco.

I just got 6 each 60 W equivalent for $4.95 with the Public Service
Company of New Mexico (power company) discount.


Craig

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[MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I was at Lowes this evening because I wanted to purchase some motion 
sensing lights for beside the garage and porch light.  I also needed to 
get some bulbs.  It has been many years since we have used regular old 
fashioned bulbs that cost a buck for a 4 pack.  We usually get a big box 
of those CFL bulbs fairly cheap. Lowes only had a couple of choices of 
these and they were expensive.  It seems most of the bulbs now offered 
are LED.  They are not exactly cheap but were cheaper than the CFL bulbs 
they had.  I got the cheapest per bulb I could find and the highest I 
found were 60W equivalent.  I did find some 75W but they were much more 
expensive and only in a 2 or 4 pack IIRC.  So are guess LED is what 
everything is going to? How long are these things supposed to last?  I 
ended up spending way more than I wanted to between the fixtures and the 
various bulbs we needed for the house.



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