Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be)Ford Diesels?
Garrison Keillor, the guy from "A Prarie Home Companion" on a lot of public radio stations. You can find the commerical on the net if you poke around a bit. On 1/11/07, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Curt mentioned: "Honda has a brilliant diesel marketing campaign in the UK based largely on an American radio personality..." Whom is that? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
I can't wait until we see the MB powered Grand Cherokee (which the MB dealers who have the proper tools won't be allowed to touch!) I guess it's just like the Dodge/Cummins situation. Only Dodge dealers can work on the Cummins engines, not the Cummins certified service centers who, no doubt, have better means and tools to diagnose problems. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
it is Allan Streib wrote: "kevin kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The Duramax is much the same with very littel diesel smell, especially the newer ones. Duramax is an Izuzu engine, is it not? Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be)Ford Diesels?
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Mitch Haley wrote: > I got a perfect, slightly used, VNT turbo from a 2005 E320CDI that way. > The mechanic kept the non-defective take-off and sold it to me. Hmm that really deserves to be bolted onto an OM606. Wait. I've got TWO of them... hmm. Scum =) (or is that me?) This weekend I will be putting new sway bar bushings/links and engine mounts on Frantz. Hans is up to have the lower noise panels pulled and washed, as they are likely still full of fuel from past leaks. So for now Hans leaks and Frantz squeaks :/ -j. 1985 300d, 223k "Gerta" 1991 Jeep Cherokee, 149k "The fishbowl" 1999 E300Dt, 140k "Hans" 1999 E300Dt, 106k "Frantz"
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
Well, the NA Rabbit was, well, a slug. 52 mpg, but all day to get to 60. The NA volvo was slow too, not enough engine for the body. The turbo, especially the 5 speed manny was FAST -- still the best highway car I've ever driven. It was all about flashing cash and burning tires in traffic -- that's why GM and most Japanese cheapo cars go from closed to full throttle in 1/4" of pedal travel, even if they don't have much real power. Me, I've had diesels for 10 years how, going on 11, and wish I'd bought one instead of my Fox. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be)Ford Diesels?
Curt mentioned: "Honda has a brilliant diesel marketing campaign in the UK based largely on an American radio personality..." Whom is that? Bob R
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be)Ford Diesels?
"John W. Reames III" wrote: > I met someone who had an early Liberty CRD, and they told me a couple of > horror stories (ie turbo being replaced twice because the dealer didn't > know what to do, niether one was bad, but there was a bad sensor somewhere > else that was cutting fuel enrichment and causing it to throw a CEL) I got a perfect, slightly used, VNT turbo from a 2005 E320CDI that way. The mechanic kept the non-defective take-off and sold it to me. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
"I tried to get an appointment to see a Jeep Liberty diesel." I requested info mail to me about the Liberty, Got a big package and nothing on the Diesel Liberty . Just think they are testing the market place for response and make profit projected before the product is produced .. Bill 1981 300 TD John W. Reames III wrote: On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Curt Raymond wrote: I tried to get an appointment to see a Jeep Liberty diesel. The dealer laughed and laughed, there was no way he could get one. Turns out Jeep was putting out like 4000 of them a year... And from what I hear the dealers don't know how to service them. Seriously, think "DEC field circus" and you'll be close. (ie "How many DEC field circus engineers does it take to fixz a flat tire" "Five- four to lift the car and one to rotate the tires until it goes, but if you have two flats they will replace the alternator instead") I met someone who had an early Liberty CRD, and they told me a couple of horror stories (ie turbo being replaced twice because the dealer didn't know what to do, niether one was bad, but there was a bad sensor somewhere else that was cutting fuel enrichment and causing it to throw a CEL) Joy! I can't wait until we see the MB powered Grand Cherokee (which the MB dealers who have the proper tools won't be allowed to touch!) I've also heard of people taking Crossfires to MB dealers to TRY to get service (no dice, cant touch it). -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Curt Raymond wrote: > > I tried to get an appointment to see a Jeep Liberty diesel. The dealer > laughed and laughed, there was no way he could get one. > Turns out Jeep was putting out like 4000 of them a year... And from what I hear the dealers don't know how to service them. Seriously, think "DEC field circus" and you'll be close. (ie "How many DEC field circus engineers does it take to fixz a flat tire" "Five- four to lift the car and one to rotate the tires until it goes, but if you have two flats they will replace the alternator instead") I met someone who had an early Liberty CRD, and they told me a couple of horror stories (ie turbo being replaced twice because the dealer didn't know what to do, niether one was bad, but there was a bad sensor somewhere else that was cutting fuel enrichment and causing it to throw a CEL) Joy! I can't wait until we see the MB powered Grand Cherokee (which the MB dealers who have the proper tools won't be allowed to touch!) I've also heard of people taking Crossfires to MB dealers to TRY to get service (no dice, cant touch it). -j.
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be)Ford Diesels?
Duramax is an Izuzu engine, is it not? Yep, it's an Isuzu engine, at least partly. I'm not sure how much GM helped with the design. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
I tried to get an appointment to see a Jeep Liberty diesel. The dealer laughed and laughed, there was no way he could get one. Turns out Jeep was putting out like 4000 of them a year... Honda has a brilliant diesel marketing campaign in the UK based largely on an American radio personality... Wierd. -Curt Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:37:00 -0800 From: David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels? To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hans Neureiter wrote: > Funny how that thread veered off from Diesels in NA to Mazda. > The article exclaims that cars with diesels don't sell in the USA. > They are not available, that's why. > VW TDIs tend not to stay on the lot long, but I suspect VW is carefully limiting supply to make sure that stays true. Americans just aren't as keen on diesels as Europeans, present company excepted. Part of this is because diesel is taxed less than gasoline in Europe, whereas is the opposite here, which makes the financial incentives to buy diesels a lot lower. It will also take a while for the new, cleaner diesels to win people over. A lot of people still think of diesel cars as smelly, sooty, noisy, underpowered vehicles that won't start in cold weather. Diesels are well accepted in the truck market but seeing Ford Powerstrokes clattering and belching soot doesn't help people accept the same technology in cars. ;) Besides the "gee whiz" factor, I think a big reason hybrids have caught the public's attention is they're seen as delivering diesel fuel economy, but with "clean" gasoline instead of stinky, sooty diesel. - Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 11 20:28:42 2007 Received: from web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.41]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H56XS-0008BE-4u for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:28:42 + Received: (qmail 49402 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2007 20:25:17 - Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-YMail-OSG: oKMlrs4VM1kZ9GMXkt56eGqKN0Fq27oNS4qOX.ZtUQuD8mztdyq.q4qT0C87U0zVdsmpQs2WcvxLOaWlrBItHUYdqvU6Fd01LwdBtxjLrDa6zPvTe0tub2UoVWQyHHgLBstZs0iovT01GW8- Received: from [63.209.225.22] by web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:25:17 PST Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:25:17 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Diesel List MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: Re: [MBZ] YOU PEOPLE BEHAVE X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:28:42 - I had mine pulled about 10 years ago also, right after school let out. The following day I was out pounding the pavement looking for a job. -Curt Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:52:54 -0500 From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] YOU PEOPLE BEHAVE To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed i had all four taken out more than 10 years ago - was back at school in 2 days. You'll be ok. - Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 11 20:31:41 2007 Received: from web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.32]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H56aL-0008L6-5r for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:31:41 + Received: (qmail 45528 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2007 20:28:15 - X-YMail-OSG: CnHMCMEVM1nOXLtQvIXQBVdInYvRl7dFD6gDGFFWu.UBwCUHWNUJOz3.3skeV_DvaaMbAdm4lOzPkkOxz_F78TXMpN5cEhpnkskqzlUjJBIerPKyDVwINRqsKgTMeBMtTIaHRdDux2bCpWU- Received: from [63.209.225.22] by web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:28:15 PST Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:28:15 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Diesel List MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/pl
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
Somehow "brainwashing" comes to mind. With media tools, like ads and other marketing aids, the public opinion can be, and obviously is, turned in one direction or another. Escapes me why diesels had been made looking bad ever since the 80's. Than there were MB's, Volvos, VW's, Peugeots, Mazdas and what not available with diesels and disappeared one by one 'cause they were "sluggish, stank and smoked". Just about at the same time diesel pickups became popular. On 1/10/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I heard from the head of the local MB dealer's shop that they stopped putting them on the lot here in 1986, because they could not get buyers to even test drive them. Absolutely refused. Turned themselves inside out for a 420, refused to even look at a 300SDL, even though they are very similar in performance except that the 300SDL gets 30 mpg and the 420 gets 16 on the highway. Go figure. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
kevin kraly wrote: > My '06 Dodge/Cummins is smooth, quiet, and doesn't have the TRADITIONAL > diesel smell. I can smell that sooty smell when a PowerCHOKE goes by, > powerCHOKE since one practically CHOKES when smelling the exhaust. To be fair, the Powerstrokes burn pretty clean as they come from the factory. But truck owners can't resist "chipping" their trucks, and that invariably makes more soot.
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
"kevin kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The Duramax is much the same with very littel diesel smell, > especially the newer ones. Duramax is an Izuzu engine, is it not? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
seeing Ford Powerstrokes clattering and belching soot doesn't help people accept the same technology in cars. ;) Besides the "gee whiz" factor, I think a big reason hybrids have caught the public's attention is they're seen as delivering diesel fuel economy, but with "clean" gasoline instead of stinky, sooty diesel. My '06 Dodge/Cummins is smooth, quiet, and doesn't have the TRADITIONAL diesel smell. I can smell that sooty smell when a PowerCHOKE goes by, powerCHOKE since one practically CHOKES when smelling the exhaust. The Duramax is much the same with very littel diesel smell, especially the newer ones. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
VW isn't limiting the supply of TDI equipped cars - in fact, they extended the 2006 model run, hoping to keep them on dealer lots into the summer. But they turned out to be so popular that they now expect to run out in March, with the 2008s not available until the end of the year. The report is that there are a lot of unhappy VW dealers. And in Europe, the tax on Diesel vs. gasoline is not as different as it used to be. The European taxes on all fuels make our USA fuel look like a give-away! And the Europeans have jumped on the CDI engines with a vengeance - they are all over, in everything from the Smart to the S420 CDI. England has some interesting tax strategy, where they base the fee on the amount of CO2 in the exhaust. It is probably much more complicated that this simple aspect, but you can get the idea - they are penalizing the bigger producers of harmful "stuff" in the air. It used to be that cars were merely taxed on displacement, hence the proliferation of cars under 2.0 Liters. I do not accept the urban legend that Diesels are a problem in cold weather. If you're talking about really far North, like Yellowknife or Dawson, etc, then that would possibly be true, except there almost everyone has a plug-in heater, that makes it as easy as if you were in Atlanta. Present day engines with fast glow plugs start in most parts of the USA, even without being plugged in to external power. Diesel engines in the 1940s and 50s were hard to start in any temperate climate, let alone colder ones, as they typically did not have glow plugs. Just look at old Cat crawlers with their gasoline pony engines and compression release levers - it took several minutes to get these going. Even GM 2-strokes needed ether or many minutes of cranking to fire up. Perhaps that's the source of this "urban legend". Werner - Original Message - From: "David Brodbeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels? Hans Neureiter wrote: Funny how that thread veered off from Diesels in NA to Mazda. The article exclaims that cars with diesels don't sell in the USA. They are not available, that's why. VW TDIs tend not to stay on the lot long, but I suspect VW is carefully limiting supply to make sure that stays true. Americans just aren't as keen on diesels as Europeans, present company excepted. Part of this is because diesel is taxed less than gasoline in Europe, whereas is the opposite here, which makes the financial incentives to buy diesels a lot lower. It will also take a while for the new, cleaner diesels to win people over. A lot of people still think of diesel cars as smelly, sooty, noisy, underpowered vehicles that won't start in cold weather. Diesels are well accepted in the truck market but seeing Ford Powerstrokes clattering and belching soot doesn't help people accept the same technology in cars. ;) Besides the "gee whiz" factor, I think a big reason hybrids have caught the public's attention is they're seen as delivering diesel fuel economy, but with "clean" gasoline instead of stinky, sooty diesel.
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
Hans Neureiter wrote: > And our infamous EPA, in bed with the Detroit giants, has everything and all > to do with that. > Oh, one more thing...if the EPA was in bed with Detroit, I wouldn't expect them to be pushing hybrid tech. The Big 3 are way behind in that area. They'd have an easier time making diesels instead of trying to catch up to the Japanese on hybrid technology, if they were capable of successfully pitching diesel cars to the public.
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
Hans Neureiter wrote: > Funny how that thread veered off from Diesels in NA to Mazda. > The article exclaims that cars with diesels don't sell in the USA. > They are not available, that's why. > VW TDIs tend not to stay on the lot long, but I suspect VW is carefully limiting supply to make sure that stays true. Americans just aren't as keen on diesels as Europeans, present company excepted. Part of this is because diesel is taxed less than gasoline in Europe, whereas is the opposite here, which makes the financial incentives to buy diesels a lot lower. It will also take a while for the new, cleaner diesels to win people over. A lot of people still think of diesel cars as smelly, sooty, noisy, underpowered vehicles that won't start in cold weather. Diesels are well accepted in the truck market but seeing Ford Powerstrokes clattering and belching soot doesn't help people accept the same technology in cars. ;) Besides the "gee whiz" factor, I think a big reason hybrids have caught the public's attention is they're seen as delivering diesel fuel economy, but with "clean" gasoline instead of stinky, sooty diesel.
Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
I heard from the head of the local MB dealer's shop that they stopped putting them on the lot here in 1986, because they could not get buyers to even test drive them. Absolutely refused. Turned themselves inside out for a 420, refused to even look at a 300SDL, even though they are very similar in performance except that the 300SDL gets 30 mpg and the 420 gets 16 on the highway. Go figure. Peter
[MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?
Funny how that thread veered off from Diesels in NA to Mazda. The article exclaims that cars with diesels don't sell in the USA. They are not available, that's why. No law that they can't be sold, but the deal we made, Mr. importer, is off if you do. Hybrids are the IN-thing for the moment (just wait till the Prius needs a new battery bank). And our infamous EPA, in bed with the Detroit giants, has everything and all to do with that. On 1/10/07, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Funny that this thread came up. Last night at the supermarket here in the UK, some punk kid had a club cab Ford "Ranger" with a short box and 20" ghetto rims. Diesel engine and he was driving like the total tosser he was. You should've seen the thing lurch into the corners. I made sure he knew from me that he was a tosser. But it was a diesel...funny the differences between Ford Europe and Ford US.loads of diesel Land Rovers here almost enough to make you want one but not quitestill a LR. Going to look at a C220 CDI wagon tomorrow.1999. Was also thinking of checking out a 1992 (!!) 190 2.5 manualgoing cheap. Body clading like the late 124's have. Oh, yes, have a line on a 1995 300D NA manual fo 3.5k US. Also a 1995 C220 manual for $3kREALLY nice looking It's like a toy store here for guys like us! WOOHOO! Jeff Zedic London Currently carless, never mind Benzless ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
