Re: [MBZ] xenon bulbs burned purple...
but at the expense/risk of running higher wattage. What is the expense/risk? Higher wattage bulbs don't last as long? Thanks, Chris John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 7, 2007, at 6:29 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: Got it. I thought of upgrading the SD to HID (High Int. Dis.), but it was too expensive, so I upgraded to H4/HB2/9003, which has made a world of difference. I'll note if you use H4 you have a choice of now using Philips X-Treme Power H4 or Osram Night Breaker H4 Both I think use the concept of reflecting infrared lighwaves back to the filament making it burn hotter. I'll note this is fairly new to car bulbs but is has been used in Philips 90W IR outdoor bulbs for awhile now. Osram also makes a Hyper H4 which is 70/65w versus the 60/55w normally found. In my reading the Hyper bulbs get the nod for the brightest bulb, but at the expense/risk of running higher wattage. Otherwise apparently the Philips are the brightest H4 bulbs at the moment using normal wattage. Do the HID bulbs last SUPER long? That would justify the price, in my mind. Yes regular tungsten based bulbs are rated in 100 of hours using a standardized test procedure. HID bulbs are rated in thousands of hours, thus for example my burned out bulb is the original one used in a car which had day time running headlamps for a 10 year period. They speak of the bulb life as the life of the car we mercedes owners know that means heh? 7 years or something... I note that on the island here I always see Smart cars running with burn out headlamps since they are DRL and use H7 high intensity bulbs which have a low hundreds of hours rating and of course replacement of the bulb is a non-trivial affair. You can get bulbs which have higher hour ratings but they produce less light ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 228K miles, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] xenon bulbs burned purple...
Depending on what you have for lamps/lens the higher wattage bulbs could melt things because of higher heat. Normally this is not a problem for mercedes assembles that are not USA specific. You are running 20% higher wattage thru the wires, normally this is not a problem for mercedes, but your milage may vary depending on the year. This might require installing relays and running extra wiring, likely I would do that for my w123 since the wiring there is technically marginal for current flow. But technically it's not needed to be done. now if you run 100W bulbs the two issues above become much higher/ riskier On Nov 9, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: but at the expense/risk of running higher wattage. What is the expense/risk? Higher wattage bulbs don't last as long? Thanks, Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] xenon bulbs burned purple...
Got it. I thought of upgrading the SD to HID (High Int. Dis.), but it was too expensive, so I upgraded to H4/HB2/9003, which has made a world of difference. Do the HID bulbs last SUPER long? That would justify the price, in my mind. Thanks, Chris John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No these are High Intensity Discharge bulbs with xenon gas type D2R http://www.kfztech.de/images/kfztechnik/elo/xenon2.jpg your bulbs are tungsten fired bulbs with Xenon gas type HB2/9003/H4 http://www.rallylights.com/hella/H4.asp To confuse you my w140 came with H4/H3 (1993), then I upgraded the assembly to H7/H1/H1( new for 1995), then tripped over a set of Xenons (cheap) D2R( new for 1997?) A philips D2R bulb costs on the order of $145 (more/less depending on who claims to make it... ) On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: Are these HID? I picked up a pair of Hella Xenon bulbs (H2 9003), for under $50 the other day. Chris John 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 210k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 200k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 228K miles, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] xenon bulbs burned purple...
On Nov 7, 2007, at 6:29 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: Got it. I thought of upgrading the SD to HID (High Int. Dis.), but it was too expensive, so I upgraded to H4/HB2/9003, which has made a world of difference. I'll note if you use H4 you have a choice of now using Philips X-Treme Power H4 or Osram Night Breaker H4 Both I think use the concept of reflecting infrared lighwaves back to the filament making it burn hotter. I'll note this is fairly new to car bulbs but is has been used in Philips 90W IR outdoor bulbs for awhile now. Osram also makes a Hyper H4 which is 70/65w versus the 60/55w normally found. In my reading the Hyper bulbs get the nod for the brightest bulb, but at the expense/risk of running higher wattage. Otherwise apparently the Philips are the brightest H4 bulbs at the moment using normal wattage. Do the HID bulbs last SUPER long? That would justify the price, in my mind. Yes regular tungsten based bulbs are rated in 100 of hours using a standardized test procedure. HID bulbs are rated in thousands of hours, thus for example my burned out bulb is the original one used in a car which had day time running headlamps for a 10 year period. They speak of the bulb life as the life of the car we mercedes owners know that means heh? 7 years or something... I note that on the island here I always see Smart cars running with burn out headlamps since they are DRL and use H7 high intensity bulbs which have a low hundreds of hours rating and of course replacement of the bulb is a non-trivial affair. You can get bulbs which have higher hour ratings but they produce less light ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] xenon bulbs burned purple...
Sure work on the trunk and rear seats, and the front of the sedan feels wanted... On the way home this morning, when I walk around the car to close the gate. Gee the driver's side xenon lamp is PURPLE, not blue, PURPLE... Wife takes car out at lunch, comes back and no light on driver side. Sigh. Fortunately earlier this summer I had picked up a busted xenon headlamp set on ebay and determined the xenon ballests, ignitor pairs and two bulbs were fine. I hadn't bothered to swap the bulbs, so drag that out of storage, try one. Mmm blue, versus the passenger side which is more warmer. Apparently as the bulbs age they tend to go warmer in color, less blue. Swap in the other bulb, both blue. Ah likely both bulbs coming from a florida car have seen little use. Unlike the original bulbs which were from a Canadian car thus daylight running lamps and always on. Well at least I didn't have to shell out $100 for a bulb, or disassemble a headlamp to replace something. John 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 210k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 200k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] xenon bulbs burned purple...
Are these HID? I picked up a pair of Hella Xenon bulbs (H2 9003), for under $50 the other day. Chris John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure work on the trunk and rear seats, and the front of the sedan feels wanted... On the way home this morning, when I walk around the car to close the gate. Gee the driver's side xenon lamp is PURPLE, not blue, PURPLE... Wife takes car out at lunch, comes back and no light on driver side. Sigh. Fortunately earlier this summer I had picked up a busted xenon headlamp set on ebay and determined the xenon ballests, ignitor pairs and two bulbs were fine. I hadn't bothered to swap the bulbs, so drag that out of storage, try one. Mmm blue, versus the passenger side which is more warmer. Apparently as the bulbs age they tend to go warmer in color, less blue. Swap in the other bulb, both blue. Ah likely both bulbs coming from a florida car have seen little use. Unlike the original bulbs which were from a Canadian car thus daylight running lamps and always on. Well at least I didn't have to shell out $100 for a bulb, or disassemble a headlamp to replace something. John 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 210k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 200k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 228K miles, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] xenon bulbs burned purple...
correction HB2 9003 CM Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are these HID? I picked up a pair of Hella Xenon bulbs (H2 9003), for under $50 the other day. Chris John M McIntosh wrote: Sure work on the trunk and rear seats, and the front of the sedan feels wanted... On the way home this morning, when I walk around the car to close the gate. Gee the driver's side xenon lamp is PURPLE, not blue, PURPLE... Wife takes car out at lunch, comes back and no light on driver side. Sigh. Fortunately earlier this summer I had picked up a busted xenon headlamp set on ebay and determined the xenon ballests, ignitor pairs and two bulbs were fine. I hadn't bothered to swap the bulbs, so drag that out of storage, try one. Mmm blue, versus the passenger side which is more warmer. Apparently as the bulbs age they tend to go warmer in color, less blue. Swap in the other bulb, both blue. Ah likely both bulbs coming from a florida car have seen little use. Unlike the original bulbs which were from a Canadian car thus daylight running lamps and always on. Well at least I didn't have to shell out $100 for a bulb, or disassemble a headlamp to replace something. John 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 210k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 200k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 228K miles, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 228K miles, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] xenon bulbs burned purple...
No these are High Intensity Discharge bulbs with xenon gas type D2R http://www.kfztech.de/images/kfztechnik/elo/xenon2.jpg your bulbs are tungsten fired bulbs with Xenon gas type HB2/9003/H4 http://www.rallylights.com/hella/H4.asp To confuse you my w140 came with H4/H3 (1993), then I upgraded the assembly to H7/H1/H1( new for 1995), then tripped over a set of Xenons (cheap) D2R( new for 1997?) A philips D2R bulb costs on the order of $145 (more/less depending on who claims to make it... ) On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: Are these HID? I picked up a pair of Hella Xenon bulbs (H2 9003), for under $50 the other day. Chris John 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 210k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 200k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Xenon
David Brodbeck wrote: I have a metal halide HID lamp in my TV projector and it works great. I'm a little less sure if I like that technology in headlights. ;) I defer to the master on this subject: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/HID.html
Re: [MBZ] Xenon
I'm blinded by camera flashes (xenon strobes) as well. Not cataracts, either... Xenons appear very much brighter than blue halogens to me -- as I said, I can spot them a very large distance away. They are VERY annoying to me. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Xenon
Beam pattern is secondary, unless they are the old single beam type, where they are indeed high beam only. The single beam types are of course low beam only. My '01's original low beam only lamps were updated to bi-xenons which requires a replacement of the entire lamp assembly at some cost but has proven to be money well spent. Your problems with these oncoming lights compels me to ask if you have been examined for early cataracts. RLE
Re: [MBZ] Xenon
Cataracts cause white fog glare, the Xenon lamps cause me to close my eyes in pain. It's hard to describe -- they are so bright they cause afterimage spots in the daytime for me. And for a young (25 years old) friend, also all three of my brothers. I do see bee violet as pale yellow, though -- bright spots on certain flowers -- so I suspect people who see more of the blue end of the spectrum than normal are blinded by those damned lights. Note that I see VERY bright purple/blue glare off axis from them, not white. At night I have to close my eyes, or at least squint, it's too painful to keep then open when a car with xenons goes past the other way. And believe me, I CAN tell -- I can spot a car with HID headlights more than a mile away. Aircraft landing lights aren't as bright! Peter
[MBZ] Xenon tales
The HID's take a few seconds to come up to full brightness. Mercedes accommodates this delay by using them for the low beams and using standard xenon's for the high beams and the HID's stay on when you switch to high beams The earlier low-beam-only Xenons use an 55W H-7 bulb for high beam with a separate reflector and lens. MY '01 C320 came with the low-only xenons which I converted to Bi-Xenon (complete replacement of the light units and huge improvement $$$) and the H-7 high beam is retained, presumably for high beam flashing which Xenons cannot do. I replaced the stock 55W H-7 with 70W bulbs which made a noticeable difference. I also tried a pair of 55W SilverStars and removed them since the 70W bulbs were superior. Roger Ellingson/Seattle
Re: [MBZ] Xenon tales
I've 65w H7 osram bulbs in my 500SEL. Are those really 70w or 65w? The 65w H7 osrams are actually h9 bulbs on h7 base. Very bright, h9 was going to be best lighting, then xenon came along. Good point about flashing, I wonder what I could do to provide that feature. Normally on the H4 setup that lights up both the high and low part of the H4. On 17-Oct-05, at 2:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The HID's take a few seconds to come up to full brightness. Mercedes accommodates this delay by using them for the low beams and using standard xenon's for the high beams and the HID's stay on when you switch to high beams The earlier low-beam-only Xenons use an 55W H-7 bulb for high beam with a separate reflector and lens. MY '01 C320 came with the low-only xenons which I converted to Bi-Xenon (complete replacement of the light units and huge improvement $$$) and the H-7 high beam is retained, presumably for high beam flashing which Xenons cannot do. I replaced the stock 55W H-7 with 70W bulbs which made a noticeable difference. I also tried a pair of 55W SilverStars and removed them since the 70W bulbs were superior. Roger Ellingson/Seattle John 1983 300TDt 358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990 300TDt 149k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
