Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)
Im not going to get sued, and even if I did they wouldnt get much. Keep on posting your results. Although I will say you will blow your engine up sooner or later. I would like to start a pool on this, i give it 2 months. Christopher McCann wrote: Dear Steve, No need for the Kevlar suit. I appreciate your comments. 1. First your concern about people taking what is said casually as if it were gospel. I make a point, more than anyone else on this list, of confessing my newbie-ness and general ignorance. I hope nobody reads one of my posts and decides it's perfectly fine to use bacon grease in their car. I already have something of a disclaimer in my signature...the AKP-Wagen is specifically named and translated as Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle. I would NEVER do this with my excellent SD. NEVER. I bought a $500 rust bucket for this. I think I have made that clear in nearly all my posts and have been asked to keep people updated, which I am doing. I respect all the feedback I get BECAUSE people like you are on the list with lots of experience. I myself have read many posts of people adding all sorts of things to their fuel (even Marshall uses motor oil as a tonic, truckers regularly add ATF to their fuel, another man on the list filtered used motor oil and put a quart per tank in his car for decades. Luther is running a 60/40 oil/diesel mix...this all fascinates me and that's why I decided to see what really happens, hence this rust bucket test vehicle. So I am a certified ignoramous, but still had the sense to NOT do this to my nice SD...so if I figured that out, I bet most people can. This is a DISCUSSION group, not an official MB here is the Black Forest engineers exact recommendation on everything list. Although, I will say, that I am all for doing everything MB says on my SD down to gleitungspaste for my sunroof, M1 for my engine, green grease for my bearings and Zerex G-05 for my coolant. We can't limit our discussion to absolute automotive truths becuase there might be an idiot on the list. The example you give from last week is an opportunity for a knowledgeable person like you to say, hey buddy, that's dangerous. 2. never heard of anyone running gear oil through their diesel fuel system. I had never heard of anyone running anything but diesel fuel through their system till I started talking to people. ATF is not motor oil, is not gear lube, is not veggie oil, is not bacon grease. Some are reported to work, maybe some don't. I'm trying to figure that out. 3. difference between used oil and garbage - well, I don't know. It's filtered, it has a relatively low flash point between diesel and veggie oil and it burns. It's not being used as a lubricant anymore, so for fuel purposes, I don't know. 4. I realize that IP's have very tight tolerances, on the level of MICRONS. The fuel does not lubricate it (and even if it did, grease certainly lubricates better), so it's a question of purity and filtering, not what exact oil it is, be it fuel or cooking. 5. the day that anything that cooked out of something else in a frying pan goes into my car, filtered, remixed diluted, or whatever, will be when social conditions have hit the Mad Max level. You may here be speaking of the bacon and not veggie oil, for example. If it's the former, fine, I agree, it's pushing the envelope. If it's the latter, then I wonder what you think, in general, on the use of vegetable oil as a diesel fuel. Perhaps you are more concerned becuase of my single tank approach rather than a double tank one. I don't know. 6. IP repair complexity. It's a 30 year old car. If it gets ruined, replace it with a $100 used one from the PP. 7. propagating questionable practices I'm not propagating anything, I'm testing. Alternative Fuel TEST vehicle...note the change to my signature. well, it seems that your main point was about newbies taking my experiments as SOP. Fine. Agreed. DISCLAIMER: DONT TRY THIS AT HOME, YOU MIGHT KILL YOURSELF OR YOUR CAR. LET CHRIS MCCANN DO IT FIRST AND WE'LL ALL HAVE A GOOD LAUGH AT HIM. okay, a bit of a flame, but if the consensus of the list is that they don't want to hear about my experiments for fear of Kaleb getting sued, I'll quit posting about it. Seriously. Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van --- Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. what is so different about gear lube than other oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad. Nothing, inherently, that I am aware of, makes it BAD. Though I have never heard of anyone running gear oil through their diesel fuel system. Also, it obviously has different properties to ATF and oil, otherwise you would
Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)
ROTFLMAO Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:58 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!) Does it smell good when you drive it? From the bacon not the gear lube (that stuff smells foul even when new, burned probably worse). I am extremely concerned however that you might be inadvertantly exposing devout Jews, Muslims, vegans, PETA activists and perhaps some erudite Hollywood actors and washed-up pop singers to vaporous pork products, through inhaled (un)combusted pork by-products, thereby insuring their lives and afterlives will not be remotely happy. How can you live with yourself for this atrocity? Please do not drive the testmobile at Gitmo or AbuGraib or we will have non-stop cable news coverage for the next 6 months, with attendant ACLU rantings and forged-but-accurate reports. I don't think there are any prohibitions against dinosaur product consumption, though there is a museum here in Texas that has proof they walked side-by-side with Man, but the implication is that they were intelligently-designed Christians so I am guessing they did not have any issues with eating them (dominion over beestes and all that) or using them to propel a vehicle. In the fall you might be able to get some moose grease and try that. --R ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)
thought of that already. The Jews considered hanging pork fat in busses to deter Muslim suicide bombers. General Pershing used lard tipped bullets in putting down a Muslim uprising in the Philippines...maybe I should write to Donald Rummy. Christopher --- Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROTFLMAO Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:58 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!) Does it smell good when you drive it? From the bacon not the gear lube (that stuff smells foul even when new, burned probably worse). I am extremely concerned however that you might be inadvertantly exposing devout Jews, Muslims, vegans, PETA activists and perhaps some erudite Hollywood actors and washed-up pop singers to vaporous pork products, through inhaled (un)combusted pork by-products, thereby insuring their lives and afterlives will not be remotely happy. How can you live with yourself for this atrocity? Please do not drive the testmobile at Gitmo or AbuGraib or we will have non-stop cable news coverage for the next 6 months, with attendant ACLU rantings and forged-but-accurate reports. I don't think there are any prohibitions against dinosaur product consumption, though there is a museum here in Texas that has proof they walked side-by-side with Man, but the implication is that they were intelligently-designed Christians so I am guessing they did not have any issues with eating them (dominion over beestes and all that) or using them to propel a vehicle. In the fall you might be able to get some moose grease and try that. --R ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Im not going to get sued, and even if I did they wouldnt get much. Keep on posting your results. Although I will say you will blow your engine up sooner or later. I think he'll just ruin his injector pump. Actually, it's more likely he'll clog up the fuel strainer before he gets that far. I'm not nearly as adventurous, although I did use my Mercedes to dispose of a pint of lamp oil and an old quart of 10W30, last month. Both were mixed with about 15 gallons of B20. The car didn't notice. In fact, I had it emission tested while it was on that tank of fuel.
Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)
keeping a close eye on the fuel strainer and both filters. When the IP croaks, you'll be the first to know. Christopher --- David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Im not going to get sued, and even if I did they wouldnt get much. Keep on posting your results. Although I will say you will blow your engine up sooner or later. I think he'll just ruin his injector pump. Actually, it's more likely he'll clog up the fuel strainer before he gets that far. I'm not nearly as adventurous, although I did use my Mercedes to dispose of a pint of lamp oil and an old quart of 10W30, last month. Both were mixed with about 15 gallons of B20. The car didn't notice. In fact, I had it emission tested while it was on that tank of fuel. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)
Chris!!! You have to get some baby seal oil for the car! I understand it has incredible lubricity and will make your IP squeaking clean when hit with a club. If you have a hard time getting the seal oil, maybe the whale oil (available from your local First Nations store) will be of a high enough cetane to allow you to out run one of those lame m617 turbo models. Should both those fail, might have some slick liberal lawyer oil, extracted at great cost from right thinking persons/creche displays/terror suspects with trampled rights. On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 04:04 PM, LT Don wrote: Now don't start knocking ACLU. And don't EVEN think about putting in a Greenpeace slam! -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)
Dear Steve, No need for the Kevlar suit. I appreciate your comments. 1. First your concern about people taking what is said casually as if it were gospel. I make a point, more than anyone else on this list, of confessing my newbie-ness and general ignorance. I hope nobody reads one of my posts and decides it's perfectly fine to use bacon grease in their car. I already have something of a disclaimer in my signature...the AKP-Wagen is specifically named and translated as Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle. I would NEVER do this with my excellent SD. NEVER. I bought a $500 rust bucket for this. I think I have made that clear in nearly all my posts and have been asked to keep people updated, which I am doing. I respect all the feedback I get BECAUSE people like you are on the list with lots of experience. I myself have read many posts of people adding all sorts of things to their fuel (even Marshall uses motor oil as a tonic, truckers regularly add ATF to their fuel, another man on the list filtered used motor oil and put a quart per tank in his car for decades. Luther is running a 60/40 oil/diesel mix...this all fascinates me and that's why I decided to see what really happens, hence this rust bucket test vehicle. So I am a certified ignoramous, but still had the sense to NOT do this to my nice SD...so if I figured that out, I bet most people can. This is a DISCUSSION group, not an official MB here is the Black Forest engineers exact recommendation on everything list. Although, I will say, that I am all for doing everything MB says on my SD down to gleitungspaste for my sunroof, M1 for my engine, green grease for my bearings and Zerex G-05 for my coolant. We can't limit our discussion to absolute automotive truths becuase there might be an idiot on the list. The example you give from last week is an opportunity for a knowledgeable person like you to say, hey buddy, that's dangerous. 2. never heard of anyone running gear oil through their diesel fuel system. I had never heard of anyone running anything but diesel fuel through their system till I started talking to people. ATF is not motor oil, is not gear lube, is not veggie oil, is not bacon grease. Some are reported to work, maybe some don't. I'm trying to figure that out. 3. difference between used oil and garbage - well, I don't know. It's filtered, it has a relatively low flash point between diesel and veggie oil and it burns. It's not being used as a lubricant anymore, so for fuel purposes, I don't know. 4. I realize that IP's have very tight tolerances, on the level of MICRONS. The fuel does not lubricate it (and even if it did, grease certainly lubricates better), so it's a question of purity and filtering, not what exact oil it is, be it fuel or cooking. 5. the day that anything that cooked out of something else in a frying pan goes into my car, filtered, remixed diluted, or whatever, will be when social conditions have hit the Mad Max level. You may here be speaking of the bacon and not veggie oil, for example. If it's the former, fine, I agree, it's pushing the envelope. If it's the latter, then I wonder what you think, in general, on the use of vegetable oil as a diesel fuel. Perhaps you are more concerned becuase of my single tank approach rather than a double tank one. I don't know. 6. IP repair complexity. It's a 30 year old car. If it gets ruined, replace it with a $100 used one from the PP. 7. propagating questionable practices I'm not propagating anything, I'm testing. Alternative Fuel TEST vehicle...note the change to my signature. well, it seems that your main point was about newbies taking my experiments as SOP. Fine. Agreed. DISCLAIMER: DONT TRY THIS AT HOME, YOU MIGHT KILL YOURSELF OR YOUR CAR. LET CHRIS MCCANN DO IT FIRST AND WE'LL ALL HAVE A GOOD LAUGH AT HIM. okay, a bit of a flame, but if the consensus of the list is that they don't want to hear about my experiments for fear of Kaleb getting sued, I'll quit posting about it. Seriously. Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van --- Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. what is so different about gear lube than other oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad. Nothing, inherently, that I am aware of, makes it BAD. Though I have never heard of anyone running gear oil through their diesel fuel system. Also, it obviously has different properties to ATF and oil, otherwise you would not have a situation where some manual gearboxes can be damaged by using it, where engine oil is specified. However, you yourself described how 'used up' it was, in terms of colour and smell. IMNHO, any used lubricant does not even belong
Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)
Does it smell good when you drive it? From the bacon not the gear lube (that stuff smells foul even when new, burned probably worse). I am extremely concerned however that you might be inadvertantly exposing devout Jews, Muslims, vegans, PETA activists and perhaps some erudite Hollywood actors and washed-up pop singers to vaporous pork products, through inhaled (un)combusted pork by-products, thereby insuring their lives and afterlives will not be remotely happy. How can you live with yourself for this atrocity? Please do not drive the testmobile at Gitmo or AbuGraib or we will have non-stop cable news coverage for the next 6 months, with attendant ACLU rantings and forged-but-accurate reports. I don't think there are any prohibitions against dinosaur product consumption, though there is a museum here in Texas that has proof they walked side-by-side with Man, but the implication is that they were intelligently-designed Christians so I am guessing they did not have any issues with eating them (dominion over beestes and all that) or using them to propel a vehicle. In the fall you might be able to get some moose grease and try that. --R
