Dear Steve,
No need for the Kevlar suit. I appreciate your
comments.
1. First your concern about people taking what is said
casually as if it were gospel. I make a point, more
than anyone else on this list, of confessing my
newbie-ness and general ignorance. I hope nobody reads
one of my posts and decides it's perfectly fine to use
bacon grease in their car. I already have something of
a disclaimer in my signature...the AKP-Wagen is
specifically named and translated as "Alternative Fuel
Test Vehicle". I would NEVER do this with my excellent
SD. NEVER. I bought a $500 rust bucket for this. I
think I have made that clear in nearly all my posts
and have been asked to keep people updated, which I am
doing. I respect all the feedback I get BECAUSE people
like you are on the list with lots of experience. I
myself have read many posts of people adding all sorts
of things to their fuel (even Marshall uses motor oil
as a "tonic", truckers regularly add ATF to their
fuel, another man on the list filtered used motor oil
and put a quart per tank in his car for decades.
Luther is running a 60/40 oil/diesel mix...this all
fascinates me and that's why I decided to see what
really happens, hence this rust bucket test vehicle.
So I am a certified ignoramous, but still had the
sense to NOT do this to my nice SD...so if I figured
that out, I bet most people can. This is a DISCUSSION
group, not an official MB "here is the Black Forest
engineers exact recommendation on everything list."
Although, I will say, that I am all for doing
everything MB says on my SD down to gleitungspaste for
my sunroof, M1 for my engine, green grease for my
bearings and Zerex G-05 for my coolant. We can't limit
our discussion to absolute "automotive truths" becuase
there might be an idiot on the list. The example you
give from last week is an opportunity for a
knowledgeable person like you to say, "hey buddy,
that's dangerous."
2. "never heard of anyone running gear oil through
their diesel fuel system." I had never heard of anyone
running anything but diesel fuel through their system
till I started talking to people. ATF is not motor
oil, is not gear lube, is not veggie oil, is not bacon
grease. Some are reported to work, maybe some don't.
I'm trying to figure that out.
3. difference between used oil and garbage - well, I
don't know. It's filtered, it has a relatively low
flash point between diesel and veggie oil and it
burns. It's not being used as a lubricant anymore, so
for fuel purposes, I don't know.
4. I realize that IP's have very tight tolerances, on
the level of MICRONS. The fuel does not lubricate it
(and even if it did, grease certainly lubricates
better), so it's a question of purity and filtering,
not what exact oil it is, be it fuel or cooking.
5. "the day that anything that cooked out of something
else in a frying pan goes into my car, filtered,
remixed diluted, or whatever, will be when social
conditions have hit the Mad Max level." You may here
be speaking of the bacon and not veggie oil, for
example. If it's the former, fine, I agree, it's
pushing the envelope. If it's the latter, then I
wonder what you think, in general, on the use of
vegetable oil as a diesel fuel. Perhaps you are more
concerned becuase of my single tank approach rather
than a double tank one. I don't know.
6. IP repair complexity. It's a 30 year old car. If it
gets ruined, replace it with a $100 used one from the
P&P.
7. "propagating questionable practices" I'm not
propagating anything, I'm testing. Alternative Fuel
TEST vehicle...note the change to my signature.
well, it seems that your main point was about newbies
taking my experiments as SOP. Fine. Agreed.
DISCLAIMER: DONT TRY THIS AT HOME, YOU MIGHT KILL
YOURSELF OR YOUR CAR. LET CHRIS MCCANN DO IT FIRST AND
WE'LL ALL HAVE A GOOD LAUGH AT HIM.
okay, a bit of a flame, but if the consensus of the
list is that they don't want to hear about my
experiments for fear of Kaleb getting sued, I'll quit
posting about it. Seriously.
Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf"
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen
Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test
Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A
PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
--- Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. what is so different about gear lube than other
oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad.
Nothing, inherently, that I am aware of, makes it
BAD. Though I have never
heard of anyone running gear oil through their
diesel fuel system. Also, it
obviously has different properties to ATF and oil,
otherwise you would not
have a situation where some manual gearboxes can be
damaged by using it,
where engine oil is specified.
However, you yourself described how 'used up' it
was, in terms of colour and
smell. IMNHO, any used lubricant does not even
belong in a waste oil
recycling stream (I say that advisedly, given the
recent dire warnings being
given to shops about contaminants in the oil they
dump into their recycling
tanks), let alone in the fuel supply of an
automotive diesel engine. Any
more than, for example, used engine oil from the car
of some dim bulb who
left it in for 50k miles without a change. There is
a difference between
used oil and garbage, right?
2. bacon grease - filtered, simply, but hardly
refined. It blends perfectly fine with diesel, so
why
should it cause a problem in the injection
pump?...it's not like it's corrosive to metal or
seals
or gets cold in the pump and "hardens the
arteries"..proportion of bacon grease to diesel is
probably 1-2%. I can see obvious jelling issues in
the
winter if the proportion were too high.
Well if there's a chemist, or chemical engineer, or
lubricants specialist in
the house, now would be the time to stop lurking
;-).
The Bosch inline diesel injection pump looks from
the outside like a robust
piece of kit, but on the inside it works as well as
it does because it's a
precision instrument on the order of a Swiss watch.
In particular, it relies
upon the lubricating qualities, and general purity,
of the diesel that runs
through it.
The equipment to properly service or rebuild one is
expensive and there are
very, very few people really qualified to do it
and/or who have a solid
track record. I have been on Mercedes lists for more
than a decade, and I've
read countless posts from people qualified to talk
about it. To say nothing
of what I've heard in conversations with diesel
mechanics who have decades
of experience on these engines.
YMMV, but the day that anything that cooked out of
something else in a
frying pan goes into my car, filtered, remixed,
diluted, or whatever, will
be when social conditions have hit the Mad Max
level.
Now of course you are free to do what you want with
the car, it's yours and
good luck with your experiments. That is not really
my point.
HOWEVER, my concern is wider than this issue, and
comes up because I almost
posted a rant a week ago on another subject. That
is, that the vast, vast
majority of people who read list content we never
hear from or know what
they take away and do with the information. On most
lists, 5-10 percent of
the membership contributes 90 percent of the
traffic. Some people only read
part of threads, or only join the list for a short
time and may not even
take away the collected wisdom of an entire thread.
So I get uncomfortable when I hear stuff like this
being discussed as though
it's all harmless weekend shits and giggles, that's
all. Much like the
thread a week or so ago about welding up a stressed
bar (anti-sway bar),
then someone posting an anonymous pic of a homemade
repair using some metal
sleeve. There is a difference between sharing
information and propagating
questionable or dangerous practices, and it would be
good if we all kept
that in mind and put prudence before raw enthusiasm.
(To say nothing of the
fact that some clever legal beagle could probably
hold Kaleb responsible for
suggestions on this list that result in mishaps.)
Ask any shop owner how many cars he has seen towed
in, completely FUBAR-ed
by someone who's bigmouth BiL or know-it-all
neighbour, or whomever, gave
him advice about how to work on it, or substitute
parts, or whatever, and
got him in so deep the car is now a mess. I have
friends who run shops, I've
seen it.
Okay, end of sermon, putting on my Kevlar suit.
Mac
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Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf"
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL
IDIOT, I THINK.
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
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