Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
Christopher McCann wrote: aren't there oil lines to and from the turbo for cooling purposes? The return (I believe) is a notorious leaker - at least on SD's...mine had to be repaired...oil running down, all over the pan, etc. That is a VERY common source of oil loss in OM617.95 engines, but it doesn't cause smoke. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
This is what has me baffled. I don't find large puddles under my car, no spatters on the rear end, and the rear under carriage is fairly dry---NOTHING that would show the signs of 1qt/250mi like my SD did before I had the oil filter stand seal changed. THAT was deadly obvious. This has the added sign of smoke which is playing with my mind. The smoke is neither white or blue, it seems to be mixed Now, a while back, I did accidentally (absentmindedly) bump the shifter into S when I was cruising down the interstate at 75-80. I was there for 2-3 miles at 5000rpm. I know the engine got up to about 110C, but no warmer. This is the next piece of the puzzle. On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:06:02 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: aren't there oil lines to and from the turbo for cooling purposes? The return (I believe) is a notorious leaker - at least on SD's...mine had to be repaired...oil running down, all over the pan, etc. That is a VERY common source of oil loss in OM617.95 engines, but it doesn't cause smoke. Marshall -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
Luther Gulseth wrote: This is what has me baffled. I don't find large puddles under my car, no spatters on the rear end, and the rear under carriage is fairly dry---NOTHING that would show the signs of 1qt/250mi like my SD did before I had the oil filter stand seal changed. THAT was deadly obvious. This has the added sign of smoke which is playing with my mind. The smoke is neither white or blue, it seems to be mixed Now, a while back, I did accidentally (absentmindedly) bump the shifter into S when I was cruising down the interstate at 75-80. I was there for 2-3 miles at 5000rpm. I know the engine got up to about 110C, but no warmer. This is the next piece of the puzzle. That engine can run at 5000 rpm and at 110 deg C almost forever - that did NOT toast it! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
I believe that. But could that have weakened a weak head gasket? I never noticed the smoke when I first purchased the car, and only realized the smoke n the last 2 months. On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:15:50 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That engine can run at 5000 rpm and at 110 deg C almost forever - that did NOT toast it! Marshall -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
I was thinking of draining, flushing, and refilling the cooling system as a way to start the check. I haven't noticed any coolant leaking anywhere. This doesn't give me much comfort, A blown head gasket in a diesel can take weeks or even months to diagnose in the early stages.. YeehawI'm in for a ride. Luther -Original Message- From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 28, 2005 2:25 PM To: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss Carefully fill the radiator reservoir (check for a cracked reservoir or inadequate cap seal) and see if coolant or oil is disappearing. In the early stages this may happen infrequently and intermittently (only when you are NOT paying attention). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
Skinnerbox.org is down. What is the pdf file name for the head gasket RR job? -Original Message- From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 28, 2005 2:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss I was thinking of draining, flushing, and refilling the cooling system as a way to start the check. I haven't noticed any coolant leaking anywhere. This doesn't give me much comfort, A blown head gasket in a diesel can take weeks or even months to diagnose in the early stages.. YeehawI'm in for a ride. Luther Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
We tried to tell you to not buy that car! On 11/28/05, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of draining, flushing, and refilling the cooling system as a way to start the check. I haven't noticed any coolant leaking anywhere. This doesn't give me much comfort, A blown head gasket in a diesel can take weeks or even months to diagnose in the early stages.. YeehawI'm in for a ride. Luther -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
amount of black color in it. Could this be just crap that I knocked loose when I flushed the system (with MB citric powder) or is this a sign of a head gasket on it's way out? Head gasket! My vote anyway. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
I'll be more likely to belive this if the 2nd coolant flush doesn't get black again. -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 28, 2005 5:46 PM To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss If you dont have any big leaks(which you would using that much oil then you either have some bad/stuck rings or valve seal problems. turbo could also be dumping oil as well. Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
Stuck ringswouldn't that show in startup or power? It starts fine when it's cold (in Kansas with freezing temps) and it has plenty of power. How would the turbo be dumping? -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 28, 2005 5:46 PM To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss If you dont have any big leaks(which you would using that much oil then you either have some bad/stuck rings or valve seal problems. turbo could also be dumping oil as well. Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
What do you mean by black? If it had oil in it it would be floating on the top of the coolant, not really just turning the coolant black. If its turning black sounds like a hose or something it breaking down. Also, it would seem that if it was a bad gasket leaking oil into the coolant that the coolant would overflow at the rate you are going thru oil. Luther Gulseth wrote: I'll be more likely to belive this if the 2nd coolant flush doesn't get black again. -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 28, 2005 5:46 PM To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss If you dont have any big leaks(which you would using that much oil then you either have some bad/stuck rings or valve seal problems. turbo could also be dumping oil as well. Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
No, not really. Turbo could dump oil into intake/exhaust if the seals go bad. Rare though. Luther Gulseth wrote: Stuck ringswouldn't that show in startup or power? It starts fine when it's cold (in Kansas with freezing temps) and it has plenty of power. How would the turbo be dumping? -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 28, 2005 5:46 PM To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss If you dont have any big leaks(which you would using that much oil then you either have some bad/stuck rings or valve seal problems. turbo could also be dumping oil as well. Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
aren't there oil lines to and from the turbo for cooling purposes? The return (I believe) is a notorious leaker - at least on SD's...mine had to be repaired...oil running down, all over the pan, etc. Chris Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, not really. Turbo could dump oil into intake/exhaust if the seals go bad. Rare though. Luther Gulseth wrote: Stuck ringswouldn't that show in startup or power? It starts fine when it's cold (in Kansas with freezing temps) and it has plenty of power. How would the turbo be dumping? -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Nov 28, 2005 5:46 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss If you dont have any big leaks(which you would using that much oil then you either have some bad/stuck rings or valve seal problems. turbo could also be dumping oil as well. Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Nov 28 23:52:41 2005 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com ([66.249.82.198]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EgsnZ-0008Hx-Hf for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:52:41 + Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so2722708wxc for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:52:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=T5rBFGIVxyHyzCy/Wjh2BmYmLlnajvqevJMIQmfd9NFUQhgXUbI5DCpsOOXMHvEPzXpa4oyiySNPywdz7AzH2IN5xmmHOCSsV8wP1gEX+FYDu9iMEJKSfOcTZEdsB0OtS/felFoZSyTCm/SzSpBFrHFlCfH6Wl/wT+FPlPpnIeA= Received: by 10.70.117.10 with SMTP id p10mr1255390wxc; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.109.15 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:52:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:52:40 -0800 From: Jim Lewandowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W108 280 SEL 4.5L ignition problem X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:52:41 - Ok, the ground issue is becoming clearer, but when the Pertronix is installed, and there is no 12V green wire, how does the switchbox know to switch? This wire does not exist with Pertronix installed. It was all working before, and I fear I may have screwed something up by cranking the car over with that 12V point wire not connected. Could it be possible to fry that switchbox if that 12V wire was not connected and the engine was turned over? If so, is there any way to check that transistor box? I read 32 ohm between that 12V point wire terminal and the ground. Jim On 11/27/05, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voltage to the coil isn't what you need here, although you need
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss
yep Christopher McCann wrote: aren't there oil lines to and from the turbo for cooling purposes? The return (I believe) is a notorious leaker - at least on SD's...mine had to be repaired...oil running down, all over the pan, etc. Chris Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, not really. Turbo could dump oil into intake/exhaust if the seals go bad. Rare though. Luther Gulseth wrote: Stuck ringswouldn't that show in startup or power? It starts fine when it's cold (in Kansas with freezing temps) and it has plenty of power. How would the turbo be dumping? -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Nov 28, 2005 5:46 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD oil loss If you dont have any big leaks(which you would using that much oil then you either have some bad/stuck rings or valve seal problems. turbo could also be dumping oil as well. Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
