Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD starter

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The click _is_ the starter relay, on the starter.  Either the starter is bad,
or the wiring to it is feeble.  The latter can be diagnosed with a voltmeter.
(Feebleness can include the battery itself.  The voltmeter is all you need,
but of course wielding it properly counts.)  Especially do not forget to
check the grounds.

Because it's clicking, you know the key and neutral safety switches,
and the wiring to the starter relay, are all good.

You measure:

1) Voltage of battery, both off and with starter 'engaged'.
2) Voltage across starter, both off and with starter 'engaged'.
3) Voltage across each of the 3 (4?) big battery cables, with starter engaged.

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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD starter

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Thanks. I may have to pull the air cleaner to get a better view of it. I 
thought maybe the battery I put in it was low but. It appears to test good. 
It’s on the charger and will try it again later. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2021, at 6:59 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is no starter relay.  You either have connection issues with the
> battery or ignition switch, or a bad starter.  There is no easy place to
> jump the starter terminal 50 like later cars, you need to go directly to
> the starter
> 
> Jaime
> 
>> On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 11:18 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> In moving some cars around this afternoon, I plopped a battery in this
>> 300SD and went to start it and just click.  It does not sound like a
>> click from the starter but a click from a relay perhaps. Car ran when
>> parked, yea yea I know.  It has been sitting about 6 months and not sure
>> if something is going on with the starter solenoid or something else.
>> When I hold the key in the start position and move the shifter out of
>> part and back, you can hear that relay or whatever it is clicking.  I
>> tried banging on the starter but could not get a good whack on it so
>> that was not effective.  Do these have a terminal somwhere to hook up a
>> remote starter switch like the 123 and 126 does?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD starter

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

There is no starter relay.  You either have connection issues with the
battery or ignition switch, or a bad starter.  There is no easy place to
jump the starter terminal 50 like later cars, you need to go directly to
the starter

Jaime

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> In moving some cars around this afternoon, I plopped a battery in this
> 300SD and went to start it and just click.  It does not sound like a
> click from the starter but a click from a relay perhaps. Car ran when
> parked, yea yea I know.  It has been sitting about 6 months and not sure
> if something is going on with the starter solenoid or something else.
> When I hold the key in the start position and move the shifter out of
> part and back, you can hear that relay or whatever it is clicking.  I
> tried banging on the starter but could not get a good whack on it so
> that was not effective.  Do these have a terminal somwhere to hook up a
> remote starter switch like the 123 and 126 does?
>
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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD starter

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I'd think it would be very similar to a 123 diesel since they both use
the OM617.

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> In moving some cars around this afternoon, I plopped a battery in this 
> 300SD and went to start it and just click.  It does not sound like a 
> click from the starter but a click from a relay perhaps. Car ran when 
> parked, yea yea I know.  It has been sitting about 6 months and not sure 
> if something is going on with the starter solenoid or something else.  
> When I hold the key in the start position and move the shifter out of 
> part and back, you can hear that relay or whatever it is clicking.  I 
> tried banging on the starter but could not get a good whack on it so 
> that was not effective.  Do these have a terminal somwhere to hook up a 
> remote starter switch like the 123 and 126 does?

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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD

[rogerhga]

Mitch, 
I'm not totally familiar with all the CA, National differences. It's not real 
easy to put an 81-85 engine in a 78-80 300SD. The 78-80 had different glow plug 
relays (even within those years, but definitely different than the 81-85). 
There is also a difference in the transmission vacuum structure so you'd 
probably have to use the 81-85 tranny also. Battery is located differently so 
different cables, and on and on. I'm not sure the effort would be worth it. But 
then after reading a lot of emails on multiple Benz lists, I've come to believe 
that some people will attempt anything just for the "macho buzz" of having 
accomplished it. 
But to Kaleb, this car is still probably worth more than $1800 in parts. I just 
had to replace the tranny in my 1980 300SD (around 425,000 miles and just 
finally quit) and I had a time finding one. I lucked into a low mileage (I 
hope, not that recyclers would bend the truth) used one at Catalina Recycle in 
AZ. So far, it's good. And don't think about finding the rebuilt rear half 
axles, etc. etc. About 3yrs ago the number of parts for the 116 started 
dwindling on eBay and elsewhere, so if you want to buy it for maybe $1200 and 
part it out, you would probably make a profit. 
Best Wishes, 

Roger Hale 
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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD

[Mitch Haley]

roger...@comcast.net wrote:
Kaleb, 
My 1980 300SD does not have an EGR. There were differences between the CA versions and the rest of the world, so don't know about the left coast. Don't know about dumping oil from blowby, mine doesn't. An EGR on a 617 diesel is a very lame addition. My Indie plugged the vac. line on my 83 300D over 12 years ago and I've never missed it or seen any problems from it not being there. 
Best Wishes, 


So, if a 116 SD had EGR, it would be a sign of an engine swap, or maybe a CA 
model?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

From the photos it appears to be a 116 version engine.  I am probably 
not going to mess with it, I have my eye on something else anyway.


On 8/7/2013 7:12 PM, OK Don wrote:

Probably not the original engine, but one pulled from a 126 or 123 ???
Yes, walk away.


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Well that rusty green 116 on ebay has all the breather lines that run from
the valve cover to the u pipe on the front of the turbo, as well as the
exhaust line from the vacuum pump rerouted.  Seller says he was told
because it had the EGR removed.  I do not recall ever seeing egr on those.
  I say the reason is because it has so much blowby it is dumping oil into
the intake.








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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD

[OK Don]

Probably not the original engine, but one pulled from a 126 or 123 ???
Yes, walk away.


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Well that rusty green 116 on ebay has all the breather lines that run from
> the valve cover to the u pipe on the front of the turbo, as well as the
> exhaust line from the vacuum pump rerouted.  Seller says he was told
> because it had the EGR removed.  I do not recall ever seeing egr on those.
>  I say the reason is because it has so much blowby it is dumping oil into
> the intake.
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Im not jacking with it unless its $800 or less, and even then probably 
too much.


On 8/7/2013 6:55 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

Just walk away.  Its rusty and not original.  Worthless unfortunately.

Jaime



On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


I just do not think I could pay over 1k for that car, even if it is green.
  Maybe I am just being cheap, I dont know.


On 8/7/2013 6:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:


Good point Kaleb... I missed that.  No EGR on a 116 300SD.


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
wrote:

  Well that rusty green 116 on ebay has all the breather lines that run

from
the valve cover to the u pipe on the front of the turbo, as well as the
exhaust line from the vacuum pump rerouted.  Seller says he was told
because it had the EGR removed.  I do not recall ever seeing egr on
those.
   I say the reason is because it has so much blowby it is dumping oil
into
the intake.


On 8/7/2013 5:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

  Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

  Do the 617's in the 116 have EGR?  I know the later 82 up does.

  Mine's a 1979 and I don't remember any EGR plumbing.

Don't know about 1980.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD

[Craig]

On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 18:40:34 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> I just do not think I could pay over 1k for that car, even if it is 
> green.  Maybe I am just being cheap, I dont know.

It's OK, just set the computer mouse down, turn around, and walk away.

It is really for the best to just admit that this is the archetypal
"cheap" Mercedes and have nothing more to do with it.

It really is good to say, "Hi, I'm Kaleb and I am a Mercedes addict."
We can get you help; the first step is to admit you have a problem


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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Just walk away.  Its rusty and not original.  Worthless unfortunately.

Jaime



On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> I just do not think I could pay over 1k for that car, even if it is green.
>  Maybe I am just being cheap, I dont know.
>
>
> On 8/7/2013 6:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>
>> Good point Kaleb... I missed that.  No EGR on a 116 300SD.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin > >wrote:
>>
>>  Well that rusty green 116 on ebay has all the breather lines that run
>>> from
>>> the valve cover to the u pipe on the front of the turbo, as well as the
>>> exhaust line from the vacuum pump rerouted.  Seller says he was told
>>> because it had the EGR removed.  I do not recall ever seeing egr on
>>> those.
>>>   I say the reason is because it has so much blowby it is dumping oil
>>> into
>>> the intake.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/7/2013 5:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>>>
>>>  Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

  Do the 617's in the 116 have EGR?  I know the later 82 up does.
>
>  Mine's a 1979 and I don't remember any EGR plumbing.
 Don't know about 1980.

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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I just do not think I could pay over 1k for that car, even if it is 
green.  Maybe I am just being cheap, I dont know.


On 8/7/2013 6:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

Good point Kaleb... I missed that.  No EGR on a 116 300SD.


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Well that rusty green 116 on ebay has all the breather lines that run from
the valve cover to the u pipe on the front of the turbo, as well as the
exhaust line from the vacuum pump rerouted.  Seller says he was told
because it had the EGR removed.  I do not recall ever seeing egr on those.
  I say the reason is because it has so much blowby it is dumping oil into
the intake.


On 8/7/2013 5:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Do the 617's in the 116 have EGR?  I know the later 82 up does.


Mine's a 1979 and I don't remember any EGR plumbing.
Don't know about 1980.

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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Good point Kaleb... I missed that.  No EGR on a 116 300SD.


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Well that rusty green 116 on ebay has all the breather lines that run from
> the valve cover to the u pipe on the front of the turbo, as well as the
> exhaust line from the vacuum pump rerouted.  Seller says he was told
> because it had the EGR removed.  I do not recall ever seeing egr on those.
>  I say the reason is because it has so much blowby it is dumping oil into
> the intake.
>
>
> On 8/7/2013 5:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>
>> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>>
>>> Do the 617's in the 116 have EGR?  I know the later 82 up does.
>>>
>>
>> Mine's a 1979 and I don't remember any EGR plumbing.
>> Don't know about 1980.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD

[rogerhga]

Kaleb, 
My 1980 300SD does not have an EGR. There were differences between the CA 
versions and the rest of the world, so don't know about the left coast. Don't 
know about dumping oil from blowby, mine doesn't. An EGR on a 617 diesel is a 
very lame addition. My Indie plugged the vac. line on my 83 300D over 12 years 
ago and I've never missed it or seen any problems from it not being there. 
Best Wishes, 

Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well that rusty green 116 on ebay has all the breather lines that 
run from the valve cover to the u pipe on the front of the turbo, 
as well as the exhaust line from the vacuum pump rerouted.  Seller 
says he was told because it had the EGR removed.  I do not recall 
ever seeing egr on those.  I say the reason is because it has so 
much blowby it is dumping oil into the intake.


On 8/7/2013 5:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Do the 617's in the 116 have EGR?  I know the later 82 up does.


Mine's a 1979 and I don't remember any EGR plumbing.
Don't know about 1980.

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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Do the 617's in the 116 have EGR?  I know the later 82 up does.


Mine's a 1979 and I don't remember any EGR plumbing.
Don't know about 1980.

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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD wiring aux fan to run when AC is on

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:59:34 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> If I simply jumper the wires at the switch, the fan will run as soon as
> the key is turned on.  I just want it to run when the compressor turns
> on.  What is the best way to go about this?

Add an ice-cube relay. Wire the coil in parallel with the compressor
clutch. Wire a set of normally-open contacts in parallel with the
temperature switch.


> Probably going to add a can of that arctic boost stuff Zippy loves as
> well.

Zippy?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD wiring aux fan to run when AC is on

[Jim Cathey]

As it is now, it will only run when the temp sensor kicks it on which 
sitting at idle does not cool very good.


It sounds undercharged.  When sitting at idle, the temperature
(AC receiver) ought to go up to the point where the fan kicks
on and cools it back down, incidentally improving the cooling.
You could try a little more juice to see if it improves the
situation.

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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD on Ebay item # 170064056650

[Chuck Landenberger]

Nice, but Buy it Now price is wy too high even with only 78kmiles  
on her!  Maybe $4k is a better range.


Still has the original 85 mph speedo.  VIN is about 100 higher than  
my former 300SD.


Take care,

Chuck
On Dec 29, 2006, at 6:09 AM, Donald Snook wrote:


Was someone looking for one of these. This one sure looks nice and low
miles.



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Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD on Ebay item # 170064056650

[Curt Raymond]

I am, and that one looks really nice. Wish I had that kind of money hanging 
around.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:09:31 -0600
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Was someone looking for one of these. This one sure looks nice and low
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> <> harmful. The bottle doesn't list any precautions, and I've been told that it 
>> only acts as a "0 weight" oil when cold - so no problemo.>>
>>
> It isn't harmful. The amount of bad information and boneheaded opinions on 
> this subject are positively cosmic.

The biggest detriment to using M-1 0W-40 is that the viscosity when hot 
(rated as 40) is actually at the very low end of the range for 40 weight 
oils (there isn't one value but a rather large range). It's much more 
like other M-1 xW-30 weight oils than the other M-1 5W-40 weight oils.

All of the M-1 oils have additives that will dissolve most sludge and 
will result in seals that have already swollen to shrink toward their 
original size. This CAN result in increase  oil leaks. In addition, ALL 
of the Mobil 1 oils have additives that will inhibit leaking at soft 
seals, BUT it takes time for them to work so it is usual when changing 
from conventional to Mobil synthetics, for oil leaks (that already 
exist) to first increase and then decrease over about 5-10kmi. If you 
remove the M-1 and replace it with some other oil before the additive 
works, you will of course NOT benefit from the seal swelling effect and 
the leaks may actually get worse.

Marshall
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Marshall Booth Ph.D.
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Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
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