Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Fred, never let a good crisis go to waste! Obvious to me that you need ANOTHER donor car! Honey, I can buy a new prechamber for $300, or get an entire used car for $200. Is it OK if I store the used donor car over at [fill in name of friends]? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Frederick W Moir Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 9:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber Mitch. True. may be hard to start. The pre-chamber in the head and secure, then using the plastic crap excluder to get the right angle and the wery wery carefully turn the handle. After that I'll probably call Rusty! Fred Moir Lynn MA On 6/18/2010 7:23 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Frederick W Moir wrote: I'm going to try a M22x1.5 bottom tap on it, when the head comes back Can you set it up in a drill press to hold alignment, and turn the chuck by hand, maybe using a chuck key for a handle? It can be fun to get a bottoming tap started straight by hand,, especially if the first couple of threads are buggered. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Max. My wife's wise to that one! Penalty of marrying an intelligent woman. A friend did offer a parking space, and boy was I tempted! Did get the pre-chamber threads cleaned up, the injector fits smoothly and torques down to spec. We'll see, Hmmm? Fred Moir Lynn MA On 6/21/2010 7:17 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Fred, never let a good crisis go to waste! Obvious to me that you need ANOTHER donor car! Honey, I can buy a new prechamber for $300, or get an entire used car for $200. Is it OK if I store the used donor car over at [fill in name of friends]? -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Tape a thick piece of wood in place above the injector, on the underside of the hood, so you don't need a new hood as well after that injector launches. On second thought, Honey I need a new hood AND a pre-chamber... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Frederick W Moir Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber Max. My wife's wise to that one! Penalty of marrying an intelligent woman. A friend did offer a parking space, and boy was I tempted! Did get the pre-chamber threads cleaned up, the injector fits smoothly and torques down to spec. We'll see, Hmmm? Fred Moir Lynn MA On 6/21/2010 7:17 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Fred, never let a good crisis go to waste! Obvious to me that you need ANOTHER donor car! Honey, I can buy a new prechamber for $300, or get an entire used car for $200. Is it OK if I store the used donor car over at [fill in name of friends]? -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
On 6/21/2010 8:45 AM, Frederick W Moir wrote: Max. My wife's wise to that one! Penalty of marrying an intelligent woman. A friend did offer a parking space, and boy was I tempted! Did get the pre-chamber threads cleaned up, the injector fits smoothly and torques down to spec. We'll see, Hmmm? Fred Moir Lynn MA On 6/21/2010 7:17 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Fred, never let a good crisis go to waste! Obvious to me that you need ANOTHER donor car! Honey, I can buy a new prechamber for $300, or get an entire used car for $200. Is it OK if I store the used donor car over at [MAX's]? -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Honey, I can buy a new prechamber for $300, or get an entire used car for $200. Is it OK if I store the used donor car over at [fill in name of friends]? New: $300. Good used: $200, and comes in recyclable packaging. Sounds like a no-brainer to me! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Reply; Honey, I have 42 pairs of shoes in the closet, can I store my new lavender pumps on your side? Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber Honey, I can buy a new prechamber for $300, or get an entire used car for $200. Is it OK if I store the used donor car over at [fill in name of friends]? New: $300. Good used: $200, and comes in recyclable packaging. Sounds like a no-brainer to me! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Clowns, et al. The pre-chamber is $244 new from Rusty. Or $204 per his generous offer. I have managed to clean up the threads on the original, install injector and torque to spec. I cannot, however, find an '87 190DT for $200 within a reasonable radius of Boston, or anywhere else for that matter. Did spot a 300DT with 602 reasonably local, however the chancellor of the exchequer points out the state of the current budget does not support new purchases of unnecessary (?) spare automobiles, especially ones that do dot run. Smile, people will think you know something. Fred Moir Lynn MA On 6/21/2010 9:59 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Honey, I can buy a new prechamber for $300, or get an entire used car for $200. Is it OK if I store the used donor car over at [fill in name of friends]? New: $300. Good used: $200, and comes in recyclable packaging. Sounds like a no-brainer to me! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Reply; Honey, I have 42 pairs of shoes in the closet, can I store my new lavender pumps on your side? Now, but you can store them at Jane's house. Her husband has my parts car in the back yard. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
That's ONE! No text, no attachment... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:01 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber On 6/21/2010 8:45 AM, Frederick W Moir wrote: Max. My wife's wise to that one! Penalty of marrying an intelligent woman. A friend did offer a parking space, and boy was I tempted! Did get the pre-chamber threads cleaned up, the injector fits smoothly and torques down to spec. We'll see, Hmmm? Fred Moir Lynn MA On 6/21/2010 7:17 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Fred, never let a good crisis go to waste! Obvious to me that you need ANOTHER donor car! Honey, I can buy a new prechamber for $300, or get an entire used car for $200. Is it OK if I store the used donor car over at [MAX's]? -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Max, I already told him he could store it here-about an hour 1/2 away. My wife likes that idea-means it covers up a driveway space that I might otherwise fill. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber Fred, never let a good crisis go to waste! Obvious to me that you need ANOTHER donor car! Honey, I can buy a new prechamber for $300, or get an entire used car for $200. Is it OK if I store the used donor car over at [fill in name of friends]? -Max -Original Message- info/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Rusty. That's a generous offer, I'll have to wait a month, budget y'know. The head gasket/vsos/etc, will be ordered on Monday. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel headache #5 On 6/17/2010 4:06 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: I can do it for $204.00 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz - Original Message - From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber Hi, all. Does anyone have a pre-chamber for an '87 190DT, 602.961? P/N 6010101552. I'd like to buy a good used one, as MB's $244+ is almost what I paid for the car. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel headache #5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Did it crack? Does it have a bottom? BTDT. On 06/18/2010 01:07 PM, Frederick W Moir wrote: Rusty. That's a generous offer, I'll have to wait a month, budget y'know. The head gasket/vsos/etc, will be ordered on Monday. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel headache #5 On 6/17/2010 4:06 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: I can do it for $204.00 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz - Original Message - From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber Hi, all. Does anyone have a pre-chamber for an '87 190DT, 602.961? P/N 6010101552. I'd like to buy a good used one, as MB's $244+ is almost what I paid for the car. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel headache #5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Rolf, et al. No, no cracks, just some ham-fisted as...le cross-threaded the injector and damaged the threads in the pre-chamber. (How do you do that?!!). I'm going to try a M22x1.5 bottom tap on it, when the head comes back from the machine shop. Clean and skim. TTFN Fred Moir Lynn MA On 6/18/2010 4:40 PM, Rolf wrote: Did it crack? Does it have a bottom? BTDT. On 06/18/2010 01:07 PM, Frederick W Moir wrote: Hi, all. Does anyone have a pre-chamber for an '87 190DT, 602.961? P/N 6010101552. I'd like to buy a good used one, as MB's $244+ is almost what I paid for the car. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
No, no cracks, just some ham-fisted as...le cross-threaded the injector and damaged the threads in the pre-chamber. (How do you do that?!!). I'm going to try a M22x1.5 bottom tap on it, when the head comes back from the machine shop. Clean and skim. I've never had a head for these apart yet, but can you have the machine shop helicoil the hole? Might be the cheapest, best solution. Rick _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Rick, et al. That would be my next guess, although an M22x1.5 helicoil kit may cost as much as a new pre-chamber. Onward and upward. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel headache #5 On 6/18/2010 5:04 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: I've never had a head for these apart yet, but can you have the machine shop helicoil the hole? Might be the cheapest, best solution. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
I doubt that you can helicoil something as thin as the pre-chamber, but then again, I've never asked about it. On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.netwrote: Rick, et al. That would be my next guess, although an M22x1.5 helicoil kit may cost as much as a new pre-chamber. Onward and upward. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel headache #5 On 6/18/2010 5:04 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: I've never had a head for these apart yet, but can you have the machine shop helicoil the hole? Might be the cheapest, best solution. Rick -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Frederick W Moir wrote: I'm going to try a M22x1.5 bottom tap on it, when the head comes back Can you set it up in a drill press to hold alignment, and turn the chuck by hand, maybe using a chuck key for a handle? It can be fun to get a bottoming tap started straight by hand,, especially if the first couple of threads are buggered. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
I doubt that you can helicoil something as thin as the pre-chamber, but then again, I've never asked about it. Another thought would be to have the old hole welded up and then drill a new hole and tap it. My local weld shop guy can weld cast iron, aluminum, steel, stainless. He can't weld unknown magnesium alloys though. I was just there today having an aluminum casting filled and drilled. He had a magnesium dock plate for a forklift there that he had tried to repair. The welds kept cracking because he couldn't find the right alloy rod/wire/fill rod. Live and learn. Every municipality needs a semi-retired welder/machinist to open a shop. If yours doesn't have one, I am sure my local welder fellow can get it done for betweeen a hundred to ahundred and fifty bucks. Send it along and I will get it done for you. Just another thought. Rick _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
I'd think that a new one is worth the expense, but that's just my 2 cents. Walt On Jun 18, 2010 8:20 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I doubt that you can helicoil something as thin as the pre-chamber, but then again, I've neve... Another thought would be to have the old hole welded up and then drill a new hole and tap it. My local weld shop guy can weld cast iron, aluminum, steel, stainless. He can't weld unknown magnesium alloys though. I was just there today having an aluminum casting filled and drilled. He had a magnesium dock plate for a forklift there that he had tried to repair. The welds kept cracking because he couldn't find the right alloy rod/wire/fill rod. Live and learn. Every municipality needs a semi-retired welder/machinist to open a shop. If yours doesn't have one, I am sure my local welder fellow can get it done for betweeen a hundred to ahundred and fifty bucks. Send it along and I will get it done for you. Just another thought. Rick _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.oki... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
FYI - this isn't thte hole in the head - the pre-chamber is inserted into the head, a locking ring holds in the head, and the injector screws into the pre-chamber. I read the problem as being the injector holding htreads inside the pre-chamber. I could have mis-read however. On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I doubt that you can helicoil something as thin as the pre-chamber, but then again, I've never asked about it. Another thought would be to have the old hole welded up and then drill a new hole and tap it. My local weld shop guy can weld cast iron, aluminum, steel, stainless. He can't weld unknown magnesium alloys though. I was just there today having an aluminum casting filled and drilled. He had a magnesium dock plate for a forklift there that he had tried to repair. The welds kept cracking because he couldn't find the right alloy rod/wire/fill rod. Live and learn. Every municipality needs a semi-retired welder/machinist to open a shop. If yours doesn't have one, I am sure my local welder fellow can get it done for betweeen a hundred to ahundred and fifty bucks. Send it along and I will get it done for you. Just another thought. Rick -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Is that engine appreciably different from the 602 in a 300D? -Curt Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:59:15 -0400 From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber Message-ID: 4c1bde23.6040...@verizon.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Rolf, et al. No, no cracks, just some ham-fisted as...le cross-threaded the injector and damaged the threads in the pre-chamber. (How do you do that?!!). I'm going to try a M22x1.5 bottom tap on it, when the head comes back from the machine shop. Clean and skim. TTFN Fred Moir Lynn MA On 6/18/2010 4:40 PM, Rolf wrote: Did it crack? Does it have a bottom? BTDT. On 06/18/2010 01:07 PM, Frederick W Moir wrote: Hi, all. Does anyone have a pre-chamber for an '87 190DT, 602.961? P/N 6010101552. I'd like to buy a good used one, as MB's $244+ is almost what I paid for the car. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
A well stocked machine shop would have the tap h-coil. $50 would be a high price to do the work. -Pete- On 6/18/2010 5:37 PM, Frederick W Moir wrote: Rick, et al. That would be my next guess, although an M22x1.5 helicoil kit may cost as much as a new pre-chamber. Onward and upward. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel headache #5 On 6/18/2010 5:04 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: I've never had a head for these apart yet, but can you have the machine shop helicoil the hole? Might be the cheapest, best solution. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Curt Raymond wrote: Is that engine appreciably different from the 602 in a 300D? I think with a 87 and a 90-93 OM602 one would have vertical injection and the other inclined, which would mean different heads and prechambers at least. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Mitch. True. may be hard to start. The pre-chamber in the head and secure, then using the plastic crap excluder to get the right angle and the wery wery carefully turn the handle. After that I'll probably call Rusty! Fred Moir Lynn MA On 6/18/2010 7:23 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Frederick W Moir wrote: I'm going to try a M22x1.5 bottom tap on it, when the head comes back Can you set it up in a drill press to hold alignment, and turn the chuck by hand, maybe using a chuck key for a handle? It can be fun to get a bottoming tap started straight by hand,, especially if the first couple of threads are buggered. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Rick. All would agree that an at leisure welder in the neighborhood would be a very good thing. I don't, however, need a hole filled. These are the (boogered) threads that hold in the injector. Fred Moir Lynn MA On 6/18/2010 8:20 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: I doubt that you can helicoil something as thin as the pre-chamber, but then again, I've never asked about it. Another thought would be to have the old hole welded up and then drill a new hole and tap it. My local weld shop guy can weld cast iron, aluminum, steel, stainless. He can't weld unknown magnesium alloys though. I was just there today having an aluminum casting filled and drilled. He had a magnesium dock plate for a forklift there that he had tried to repair. The welds kept cracking because he couldn't find the right alloy rod/wire/fill rod. Live and learn. Every municipality needs a semi-retired welder/machinist to open a shop. If yours doesn't have one, I am sure my local welder fellow can get it done for betweeen a hundred to ahundred and fifty bucks. Send it along and I will get it done for you. Just another thought. Rick _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
OK Don. Right first time! Hip hip hooray! Someone reads Sanskrit a la Fred. Fred Moir Lynn MA On 6/18/2010 8:54 PM, OK Don wrote: FYI - this isn't thte hole in the head - the pre-chamber is inserted into the head, a locking ring holds in the head, and the injector screws into the pre-chamber. I read the problem as being the injector holding htreads inside the pre-chamber. I could have mis-read however. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Curt, et al. AFAIK the 602.961 inclined pre-chambers are inclined in a different way in a 601.962. Early 961 and 962's Up to engine #3837 are the same, different after. Don't quote me, I so confuzzed. TTFN Fred Moir Lynn MA On 6/18/2010 9:07 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Is that engine appreciably different from the 602 in a 300D? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Curt, Mitch. The head numbers are different between 961 and 962, as are the pre-chambers, sorta, kinda. Geez, I miss Marshall. He would know. Fred Moir Lynn MA On 6/18/2010 9:38 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Is that engine appreciably different from the 602 in a 300D? I think with a 87 and a 90-93 OM602 one would have vertical injection and the other inclined, which would mean different heads and prechambers at least. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
Replace the pre-chamber. They are not mild steel, and repairs will result in an injector blowing out of the hold. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber
I can do it for $204.00 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: [MBZ] 190DT Prechamber Hi, all. Does anyone have a pre-chamber for an '87 190DT, 602.961? P/N 6010101552. I'd like to buy a good used one, as MB's $244+ is almost what I paid for the car. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel headache #5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
