Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
Jim Cathey wrote: > > My brother raced dirt bikes at one time. Can you guess what happened > one time we all (siblings & cousins) went to the go-kart racetrack? > He won every time. Handily. Didn't seem to matter which pig he got > stuck with. Reminds me of a story I read in a car mag once. The author had arrived late at the unveiling of the 6 cyl Toyota Supra at a racetrack. Everybody else was in the food tent when he arrived, so he hopped in the Supra and hit the track. Dan Gurney saw him, got in a Corolla, and passed him before he completed his first lap. I can't remember who the journalist was, but he test drove cars and wrote about it for a living and considered himself a good driver.
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
I lost a few on my '70 220D hitting pot holes on country roads - but traced the failure back to very rusty clips on the back of the covers. The car spent it's first 10 years/100,000 miles in MN, driven year round. Not surprising that those clips failed. I found out that three good clips could keep the covers on > Here's a question I've had: Has anyone seen or heard of the > wheelcovers popping off a Mercedes under hard cornering? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
Rhonald Angelo wrote: I have been negligent in washing.my wheels are looking bad..the rear cleaned up well, but the front ones are not comming clean and it feels rough in some places..some pitting I guess...any suggestions on what to clean them with, to keep from making it worse? I know about the "clean wheels" but have heard discussions about overheating...some have said not to use, some say ok if slotted..another said if one has a habit of "riding" the brakes while driving, it is problematic...what to do..I don't have time to clean wheels 3 - 4 times a week.. Remember, the Mercedes light alloy wheels from the '70s and '80s are PAINTED. You mustn't use anything on them that's harsher than what you'd use on the painted surface of the car body. They are painted with Astral Silver paint (paint code 735) and covered with clear coat. Using products meant to clean bare metal alloy wheels is FAR too harsh and will destroy the finish. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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Sunil Hari wrote: When I had bundt wheels, mine never got dirty from brake dust - they still had the factory inner liners between the wheels and the brakes, and so the wheels still looked pristine. The liners were metal (maybe aluminum?) and not that thick, but they took all the abuse from the brake dust. Maybe these liners are still available. What you call "factory inner liners" are more likely aftermarket "Kleen Wheels" and are forbidden by Mercedes (there are TSBs on the subject) because they seriously compromise the brakes and their stopping power under prolonged use or emergency conditions. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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Uhh yeah, that'd be true on the street... Did you miss the part about my flogging the 240D over speedbumps where he was scared of bottoming out? 0-60 isn't as relevent as 0-30 in this case. Also my willingness to take a 90 degree turn at 30mph that completes by bouncing off the curb... So yeah he's not driving his to the full extent because he doesn't want to break stuff. On the 240D I really didn't care... -Curt Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:53:40 -0400 From: Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Hate to tell you, but if you were keeping up with the STi in the corners, then the guy was either taking it easy, or doesn't know how to drive it that well. That car weighs less than either a 240D or 300D and has more than twice the power of the 300D and about 4 times a 240D. So on the straights he should be REALLY leaving you behind. His 0-60mph time is what 4 seconds? Yours is what 20? On the corners, I'd pretty well guarantee that his suspension is superior to a 240 or 300 in perfect condition, let alone I'm guessing most of these 20-30 year old cars aren't as good as they used to be? (: If it makes you feel better, you can carry a lot more 5 gallon pails in your trunk than he can! WY different thinking between those two cars. But great engineering and reliability in both. (: Levi 83' 300D 97' Subaru Impreza - Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 07 17:22:02 2006 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.192.81]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRueo-0003Yj-Eu for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:22:02 + Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-24-3-195-27.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[24.3.195.27]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <20060407172156m11005h5dce>; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:21:57 + Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:21:55 -0400 From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:22:02 - Christopher McCann wrote: > Indeed. > > And I do believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle linkage > from medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not to be done > idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to burn > through that bottle, no? It usually takes me 15-20 minutes to run a can of Diesel Purge thru one of my cars. I warm the engine up first and run the engine at different speeds while it's being fueled with the DP. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
Hate to tell you, but if you were keeping up with the STi in the corners, then the guy was either taking it easy, or doesn't know how to drive it that well. That car weighs less than either a 240D or 300D and has more than twice the power of the 300D and about 4 times a 240D. So on the straights he should be REALLY leaving you behind. His 0-60mph time is what 4 seconds? Yours is what 20? On the corners, I'd pretty well guarantee that his suspension is superior to a 240 or 300 in perfect condition, let alone I'm guessing most of these 20-30 year old cars aren't as good as they used to be? (: If it makes you feel better, you can carry a lot more 5 gallon pails in your trunk than he can! WY different thinking between those two cars. But great engineering and reliability in both. (: Levi 83' 300D 97' Subaru Impreza Curt Raymond wrote: The street in to work is somewhat of a racetrack. I was behind a guy with a Subaru STI one day and decided to see how well I could pace him. While I of course had nothing on his acceleration I found I could hit speedbumps at least twice as fast as he did and my willingness to throw my 240D into 90degree turns at speed made me quite competitive. Yeah it was alot like on Cops, I'd floor the go pedal and drag the wheel around. Get the car going sideways, take my foot off the throttle just a little and the rears would catch, back on throttle and I'm off. I imagine with a 300D I could probably have done really well. The 190D does well but I'm reluctant to throw it around as much. -Curt Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 01:16:18 -0500 From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds impressive. Especially if it was on dry pavement. You must emulate the slide-around-the-corner techniques displayed on the cop shows - a la Rockford Files or A-Team. You know what's impressive, are the J-turns executed in the Presidential limousines. They get the front end bouncing off the ground during execution of that move. Brian 83 240D - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
The street in to work is somewhat of a racetrack. I was behind a guy with a Subaru STI one day and decided to see how well I could pace him. While I of course had nothing on his acceleration I found I could hit speedbumps at least twice as fast as he did and my willingness to throw my 240D into 90degree turns at speed made me quite competitive. As in so many things, it's not so much what you've got but what you do with it... My brother raced dirt bikes at one time. Can you guess what happened one time we all (siblings & cousins) went to the go-kart racetrack? He won every time. Handily. Didn't seem to matter which pig he got stuck with. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
The street in to work is somewhat of a racetrack. I was behind a guy with a Subaru STI one day and decided to see how well I could pace him. While I of course had nothing on his acceleration I found I could hit speedbumps at least twice as fast as he did and my willingness to throw my 240D into 90degree turns at speed made me quite competitive. Yeah it was alot like on Cops, I'd floor the go pedal and drag the wheel around. Get the car going sideways, take my foot off the throttle just a little and the rears would catch, back on throttle and I'm off. I imagine with a 300D I could probably have done really well. The 190D does well but I'm reluctant to throw it around as much. -Curt Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 01:16:18 -0500 From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds impressive. Especially if it was on dry pavement. You must emulate the slide-around-the-corner techniques displayed on the cop shows - a la Rockford Files or A-Team. You know what's impressive, are the J-turns executed in the Presidential limousines. They get the front end bouncing off the ground during execution of that move. Brian 83 240D - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 07 13:41:25 2006 Received: from mxa.windwireless.net ([199.164.167.40]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRrDJ-0002iU-8T for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:41:25 + Received: from dogear.com (IP-206-63-94-253.progress.wi-fi.windwireless.net [206.63.94.253] (may be forged)) by mxa.windwireless.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k37Dg6nA017986 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:42:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:41:23 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scan: smtp-vilter X-SMTP-Vilter-Version: 1.1.0rc2 X-SMTP-Vilter-Backend: Clam AntiVirus Daemon (clamd) X-SMTP-Vilter-Status: clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0rc4 (mxa.windwireless.net [199.164.167.40]); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:42:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seat broke X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:41:25 - > You've got a flopper too? I fight back the urge to tell the wife to be > less > gibbon-like with most of the controls in the car (especially to avoid > cranking around the temperature dials every time she feels hot or cold > - I'd > rather she utilize the fresh air lever, or shut down or open up her > vents > rather than twirling those dials that I think are going to croak > anytime). I > have yet to bring up her collapsing into the seat like she's scuba > diving > off a boat. I'm just making progress on the door slamming. [Furtively looking around, coast is clear...] Yes. The SDL has an ACC system which mostly she doesn't fiddle with. But I often get in to find it on Bi-level, or Off. It's a mystery. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
Sounds impressive. Especially if it was on dry pavement. You must emulate the slide-around-the-corner techniques displayed on the cop shows - a la Rockford Files or A-Team. You know what's impressive, are the J-turns executed in the Presidential limousines. They get the front end bouncing off the ground during execution of that move. Brian 83 240D On 4/6/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I only lost a hubcap off my 240D once and that was when a tire monkey lost > a clip. > > Several times I had my 240D sliding sideways thinking "Hmm, what do I do > now?" To say I drove that car hard would be somewhat of an understatement, I > beat the everloving snot out of it. > That said I always had cheap tires on it too... > My 190D handles like its on rails by comparison although I think maybe the > 240D rides a little nicer. > > -Curt > > Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:29:42 -0500 > From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Me too! Surprised to hear myself say that as I've always loved > aluminum wheels - unsprung weight and all that. I just like the > character the steels and caps give (or as wife calls it "cute"). > > Here's a question I've had: Has anyone seen or heard of the > wheelcovers popping off a Mercedes under hard cornering? I know that > this happens on a lot of cars, and it's why police cars would always > have "hubcaps" (just covering the middle of the wheel), rather than > "wheel covers" which cover the whole diameter, attaching to the outer > lip of wheel (and thus are succeptible to popping off under wheel > flex). > > I know on that old TV commercial that was posted to the list some time > ago, that orange 300D was cornering at the limits of its capability, > and the wheel covers stayed on. Unless I'm forgetting and it had > bundts. Or unless they sneakily adhered them to the wheels in > preparation for the handling demonstration. > > Brian > 83 240D > > > > - > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
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Massive doses of Brake Cleaner. That's what I used when I pulled off the Clean Discs and found an unbelieveable amount of crud on the back of the wheels. YUK! On 4/6/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is the crust in the back of the wheel that I am trying to make go > away. What little there is on the front is pretty simple to remove > > On Thursday, April 6, 2006, at 11:18 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: > > > archer wrote: > >> A pressure washer held just close enough to remove the dirt/brake > >> dust and > >> not the finish did a good job on a set of bundt wheels after spraying > >> them > >> with some kind of cleaner (409?) I forget which one. > >> > > > > In that vein, I've had reasonably good results at removing light > > accumulations by spraying the wheels with cheap parts store wheel > > cleaner just before driving through a self-serve automatic car wash. > > > > > > David Brodbeck > > '83 300D Turbo > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.striplin.net > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > > > > > -- > Clay > Seattle Bioburner > > 1972 220D - Gump > 1995 E300D - Cleo > 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA > The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 140K "Stardust" 1985 380SL 145K "Blue Belle" 1996 Sidekick 57K "Kermit"
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It is the crust in the back of the wheel that I am trying to make go away. What little there is on the front is pretty simple to remove On Thursday, April 6, 2006, at 11:18 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: archer wrote: A pressure washer held just close enough to remove the dirt/brake dust and not the finish did a good job on a set of bundt wheels after spraying them with some kind of cleaner (409?) I forget which one. In that vein, I've had reasonably good results at removing light accumulations by spraying the wheels with cheap parts store wheel cleaner just before driving through a self-serve automatic car wash. David Brodbeck '83 300D Turbo ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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I only lost a hubcap off my 240D once and that was when a tire monkey lost a clip. Several times I had my 240D sliding sideways thinking "Hmm, what do I do now?" To say I drove that car hard would be somewhat of an understatement, I beat the everloving snot out of it. That said I always had cheap tires on it too... My 190D handles like its on rails by comparison although I think maybe the 240D rides a little nicer. -Curt Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:29:42 -0500 From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Me too! Surprised to hear myself say that as I've always loved aluminum wheels - unsprung weight and all that. I just like the character the steels and caps give (or as wife calls it "cute"). Here's a question I've had: Has anyone seen or heard of the wheelcovers popping off a Mercedes under hard cornering? I know that this happens on a lot of cars, and it's why police cars would always have "hubcaps" (just covering the middle of the wheel), rather than "wheel covers" which cover the whole diameter, attaching to the outer lip of wheel (and thus are succeptible to popping off under wheel flex). I know on that old TV commercial that was posted to the list some time ago, that orange 300D was cornering at the limits of its capability, and the wheel covers stayed on. Unless I'm forgetting and it had bundts. Or unless they sneakily adhered them to the wheels in preparation for the handling demonstration. Brian 83 240D - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 06 21:02:30 2006 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.200.83]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRbcc-00038Q-LF for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:02:30 + Received: from localhost (c-71-235-106-147.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[71.235.106.147]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006040621022701300bq47ue>; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:02:28 + From: Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:02:29 -0400 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 3.1/32.783 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] Diesel Purge X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:02:30 - I have always been very skeptical of any "Miracle in a Bottle" unless it has a green stamp on it. So, after 3 years of 300SDL ownership, I have finally decided to try "Diesel Purge" in an attempt to improve the lopping idle that my machine is vexed with. Having the 500ML size can in front of me, it would seem that the engine will take a considerable amount of time to consume it, diesels being frugal with regards to fuel needs at idle. How much time should I budget? Should I run the can dry? Should I than use the fuel captured at the return line or is it contaminated with crud and corrosion from the cleaning process. Can this be done on Moose Friday? During Lent? Will I be proud of myself in the morning? -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 1987 300SDL 240KMI Needs a Purge 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 190Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is!
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I have not cornered my 115 hard enough to really test the adhesion of the wheel covers but I have to say that the Mercedes wheelcovers do have what appears to be a good method of holding them onto the wheel. I had the car safetied before I bought it and my brother in law was the mechanic who did it for me. I specifically recall his commenting that I was not likely to lose any of the wheelcovers when he was reinstalling them after looking at the brakes. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims Me too! Surprised to hear myself say that as I've always loved aluminum wheels - unsprung weight and all that. I just like the character the steels and caps give (or as wife calls it "cute"). Here's a question I've had: Has anyone seen or heard of the wheelcovers popping off a Mercedes under hard cornering? I know that this happens on a lot of cars, and it's why police cars would always have "hubcaps" (just covering the middle of the wheel), rather than "wheel covers" which cover the whole diameter, attaching to the outer lip of wheel (and thus are succeptible to popping off under wheel flex). I know on that old TV commercial that was posted to the list some time ago, that orange 300D was cornering at the limits of its capability, and the wheel covers stayed on. Unless I'm forgetting and it had bundts. Or unless they sneakily adhered them to the wheels in preparation for the handling demonstration. Brian 83 240D On 4/5/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Personally I prefer steel wheels and > hubcaps. >
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
archer wrote: A pressure washer held just close enough to remove the dirt/brake dust and not the finish did a good job on a set of bundt wheels after spraying them with some kind of cleaner (409?) I forget which one. In that vein, I've had reasonably good results at removing light accumulations by spraying the wheels with cheap parts store wheel cleaner just before driving through a self-serve automatic car wash. David Brodbeck '83 300D Turbo
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Zoltan Finks wrote: Me too! Surprised to hear myself say that as I've always loved aluminum wheels - unsprung weight and all that. I just like the character the steels and caps give (or as wife calls it "cute"). Are the Mercedes alloy wheels really much lighter than the steelies? On some cars, the OEM alloys are actually heavier than stamped steel wheels. David Brodbeck '83 300D Turbo
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
Me too! Surprised to hear myself say that as I've always loved aluminum wheels - unsprung weight and all that. I just like the character the steels and caps give (or as wife calls it "cute"). Here's a question I've had: Has anyone seen or heard of the wheelcovers popping off a Mercedes under hard cornering? I know that this happens on a lot of cars, and it's why police cars would always have "hubcaps" (just covering the middle of the wheel), rather than "wheel covers" which cover the whole diameter, attaching to the outer lip of wheel (and thus are succeptible to popping off under wheel flex). I know on that old TV commercial that was posted to the list some time ago, that orange 300D was cornering at the limits of its capability, and the wheel covers stayed on. Unless I'm forgetting and it had bundts. Or unless they sneakily adhered them to the wheels in preparation for the handling demonstration. Brian 83 240D On 4/5/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Personally I prefer steel wheels and > hubcaps. > > At 09:52 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote: > >I have been negligent in washing.my wheels are looking bad..the rear cleaned > >up well, but the front ones are not comming clean and it feels rough in some > >places..some pitting I guess...any suggestions on what to clean them with, > >to keep from making it worse? I know about the "clean wheels" but have > >heard discussions about overheating...some have said not to use, some say ok > >if slotted..another said if one has a habit of "riding" the brakes while > >driving, it is problematic...what to do..I don't have time to clean wheels 3 > >- 4 times a week.. > > > >thanks > > > >Rhonald > >1985 300D > >Black/Palomino > >290,000 miles > >Washington, DC > > > > > > > >___ > >http://www.striplin.net > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
Once the wheels are clean try rubbing them with a fabric softener dryer sheet to keep them clean and free of brake dust. Seems the anti;static "stuff" works well. Mike - Original Message - From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims A pressure washer held just close enough to remove the dirt/brake dust and not the finish did a good job on a set of bundt wheels after spraying them with some kind of cleaner (409?) I forget which one. GerryA - Original Message - From: "redghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I also really like S100 wheel cleaner. Still have some from the beemer. Works well for regular cleaning, not heavy accumulations. Spray on, let is soak and wash off. On Wednesday, April 5, 2006, at 09:18 PM, redghost wrote: Bead blast is the operative phrase. Do not, repeat DO NOT sand blast or garnet or ... just use glass to get the old paint off, then do a good rattle can paint job. The sand will pit the wheels and you will then end up purchasing new ones. I have used a paint solvent and some elbow grease to clean a few sets of wheel. It takes time, but you get a really good feel for the wheel and then you can rattle can paint. About $40 worth of paint and a few days to let it cure and you have really nice looking wheels again. There is another product for dealing with brake dust on wheels. Comes in a silver spray bottle and there are formulas for all manner of metal wheel. It is solvent specific to the metal of the wheel. Eagle One. Etching stuff. Make sure you get the right stuff, or you may as well use brake cleaner. Spray on, hose off. I used it on bundts that I had stripped of paint, but the build up on the back side was just too thick. This got it down to metal after a bit of elbow grease and wire wheel. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
A pressure washer held just close enough to remove the dirt/brake dust and not the finish did a good job on a set of bundt wheels after spraying them with some kind of cleaner (409?) I forget which one. GerryA - Original Message - From: "redghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I also really like S100 wheel cleaner. Still have some from the beemer. Works well for regular cleaning, not heavy accumulations. Spray on, let is soak and wash off. On Wednesday, April 5, 2006, at 09:18 PM, redghost wrote: Bead blast is the operative phrase. Do not, repeat DO NOT sand blast or garnet or ... just use glass to get the old paint off, then do a good rattle can paint job. The sand will pit the wheels and you will then end up purchasing new ones. I have used a paint solvent and some elbow grease to clean a few sets of wheel. It takes time, but you get a really good feel for the wheel and then you can rattle can paint. About $40 worth of paint and a few days to let it cure and you have really nice looking wheels again. There is another product for dealing with brake dust on wheels. Comes in a silver spray bottle and there are formulas for all manner of metal wheel. It is solvent specific to the metal of the wheel. Eagle One. Etching stuff. Make sure you get the right stuff, or you may as well use brake cleaner. Spray on, hose off. I used it on bundts that I had stripped of paint, but the build up on the back side was just too thick. This got it down to metal after a bit of elbow grease and wire wheel.
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
I also really like S100 wheel cleaner. Still have some from the beemer. Works well for regular cleaning, not heavy accumulations. Spray on, let is soak and wash off. On Wednesday, April 5, 2006, at 09:18 PM, redghost wrote: Bead blast is the operative phrase. Do not, repeat DO NOT sand blast or garnet or ... just use glass to get the old paint off, then do a good rattle can paint job. The sand will pit the wheels and you will then end up purchasing new ones. I have used a paint solvent and some elbow grease to clean a few sets of wheel. It takes time, but you get a really good feel for the wheel and then you can rattle can paint. About $40 worth of paint and a few days to let it cure and you have really nice looking wheels again. There is another product for dealing with brake dust on wheels. Comes in a silver spray bottle and there are formulas for all manner of metal wheel. It is solvent specific to the metal of the wheel. Eagle One. Etching stuff. Make sure you get the right stuff, or you may as well use brake cleaner. Spray on, hose off. I used it on bundts that I had stripped of paint, but the build up on the back side was just too thick. This got it down to metal after a bit of elbow grease and wire wheel. www.eagleone.com On Wednesday, April 5, 2006, at 08:11 AM, Loren Faeth wrote: Leave em, Get em bead blasted and painted, or buy now ones. The last 2 choices are about the same price. Personally I prefer steel wheels and hubcaps. At 09:52 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote: I have been negligent in washing.my wheels are looking bad..the rear cleaned up well, but the front ones are not comming clean and it feels rough in some places..some pitting I guess...any suggestions on what to clean them with, to keep from making it worse? I know about the "clean wheels" but have heard discussions about overheating...some have said not to use, some say ok if slotted..another said if one has a habit of "riding" the brakes while driving, it is problematic...what to do..I don't have time to clean wheels 3 - 4 times a week.. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
Bead blast is the operative phrase. Do not, repeat DO NOT sand blast or garnet or ... just use glass to get the old paint off, then do a good rattle can paint job. The sand will pit the wheels and you will then end up purchasing new ones. I have used a paint solvent and some elbow grease to clean a few sets of wheel. It takes time, but you get a really good feel for the wheel and then you can rattle can paint. About $40 worth of paint and a few days to let it cure and you have really nice looking wheels again. There is another product for dealing with brake dust on wheels. Comes in a silver spray bottle and there are formulas for all manner of metal wheel. It is solvent specific to the metal of the wheel. Eagle One. Etching stuff. Make sure you get the right stuff, or you may as well use brake cleaner. Spray on, hose off. I used it on bundts that I had stripped of paint, but the build up on the back side was just too thick. This got it down to metal after a bit of elbow grease and wire wheel. www.eagleone.com On Wednesday, April 5, 2006, at 08:11 AM, Loren Faeth wrote: Leave em, Get em bead blasted and painted, or buy now ones. The last 2 choices are about the same price. Personally I prefer steel wheels and hubcaps. At 09:52 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote: I have been negligent in washing.my wheels are looking bad..the rear cleaned up well, but the front ones are not comming clean and it feels rough in some places..some pitting I guess...any suggestions on what to clean them with, to keep from making it worse? I know about the "clean wheels" but have heard discussions about overheating...some have said not to use, some say ok if slotted..another said if one has a habit of "riding" the brakes while driving, it is problematic...what to do..I don't have time to clean wheels 3 - 4 times a week.. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
I dont throw them away anymore, people will buy them on ebay jlervine wrote: ---Original Message--- From: Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When I had bundt wheels, mine never got dirty from brake dust - they still had the factory inner liners between the wheels and the brakes, and so the wheels still looked pristine. The liners were metal (maybe aluminum?) and not that thick, but they took all the abuse from the brake dust. Maybe these liners are still available. Those weren't factory. Those are Kleen Wheels. Two of my cars came with them installed. The first time the tires came off, the liners went in the garbage. John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 175+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
I'm with both Jeff and Larry.. I've had Kleen Wheels on my '80 300SD for about 200,000 miles with no adverse consequences. They most certainly have reduced brake dust buildup on the bundtcake wheels. In order to increase inward air flow, I spread the vents in the KW's a little wider. Of course, whenever I took the car to the track or to autocross, the KW's came off. I also was changing to different wheels and tires for those events. Remember the KW's are rotation specific so that the vents encourage airflow inward. If put on incorrectly, air flow over brakes/rotors will definitely be reduced or halted completely and overheating could then result. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ 1980 300SD 347kmiles 1986 190E 2.3 16V 118kmiles No KW's here! On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with Jeff on this - even if MB has issued a warning. Jeff wrote:<>
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
Jeff wrote:<>
I'm with Jeff on this - even if MB has issued a warning. The steel wheels
some of our cars came with restrict airflow even more than Kleenwheels do -
the steel wheels have 3 very thin slots maybe 1/8"x4" around the outside of
the wheels - not very conducive to airflow..
As far as the brake dust - it's more than a layer of dust - it's corrosive
and eats *into* the alloy wheel. Frequent cleaning or Kleenwheels is called
for. Very little will "clean" them - the suggestion of bead blasting would
probably do the most to restore the wheels. The various cleaning products
will clean the dust that hasn;t eaten into the surface of the alloys yet.
The rest will require more dramatic means - like the bead blasting.
Back to the MB warning - MB as a manufacturer must warrant their cars for
any possible situation. So if a MB might find itself pulling a trailer
while trying to descend a steep mountain grade and the brakes are being used
constantly, the brakes might overheat. IMO, they'd overheat with or without
the Kleenwheels.
Someone mentioned "riding the brakes" - everyone should know that's a bad
idea - not only does it wear the pads prematurely, it;s dangerous as people
behind you don;t know if you;re *really* braking, or just riding the brakes,
BTW, I put a pair of Kleenwheels on my 91 300D yesterday -- But I'll to go
back and re-read the TSB to see what damage MB suggests will occur if KW's
are used.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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I have them on my 83 300D and have not had any problems. They keep my
nice new-looking wheels super clean. I know they are there and if there
was any sort of downside I'd noticed, I'd remove them.
So far so good. (except for the hole in the block)
Jeff Zedic
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83 300D
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Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
I have them on my 83 300D and have not had any problems. They keep my nice new-looking wheels super clean. I know they are there and if there was any sort of downside I'd noticed, I'd remove them. So far so good. (except for the hole in the block) Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD 83 300D
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
oops. Hope Jim is reading this thread, so he can remove them from his car. On 4/5/06, jlervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > When I had bundt wheels, mine never got dirty from brake dust - they > still > > had the factory inner liners between the wheels and the brakes, and so > the > > wheels still looked pristine. The liners were metal (maybe aluminum?) > and > > not that thick, but they took all the abuse from the brake dust. Maybe > > these liners are still available. > > Those weren't factory. Those are Kleen Wheels. Two of my cars came with > them installed. The first time the tires came off, the liners went in the > garbage. > > John L. Ervine > 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi > 1980 300TD 175+kmi > 1980 300SD 277+kmi > 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi > 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
> ---Original Message--- > From: Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > When I had bundt wheels, mine never got dirty from brake dust - they still > had the factory inner liners between the wheels and the brakes, and so the > wheels still looked pristine. The liners were metal (maybe aluminum?) and > not that thick, but they took all the abuse from the brake dust. Maybe > these liners are still available. Those weren't factory. Those are Kleen Wheels. Two of my cars came with them installed. The first time the tires came off, the liners went in the garbage. John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 175+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
we've got paint. On 4/5/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Leave em, Get em bead blasted and painted, or buy now ones. The last 2 > choices are about the same price. Personally I prefer steel wheels and > hubcaps. > > At 09:52 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote: > >I have been negligent in washing.my wheels are looking bad..the rear > cleaned > >up well, but the front ones are not comming clean and it feels rough in > some > >places..some pitting I guess...any suggestions on what to clean them > with, > >to keep from making it worse? I know about the "clean wheels" but have > >heard discussions about overheating...some have said not to use, some say > ok > >if slotted..another said if one has a habit of "riding" the brakes while > >driving, it is problematic...what to do..I don't have time to clean > wheels 3 > >- 4 times a week.. > > > >thanks > > > >Rhonald > >1985 300D > >Black/Palomino > >290,000 miles > >Washington, DC > > > > > > > >___ > >http://www.striplin.net > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
When I had bundt wheels, mine never got dirty from brake dust - they still had the factory inner liners between the wheels and the brakes, and so the wheels still looked pristine. The liners were metal (maybe aluminum?) and not that thick, but they took all the abuse from the brake dust. Maybe these liners are still available. On 4/5/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Leave em, Get em bead blasted and painted, or buy now ones. The last 2 > choices are about the same price. Personally I prefer steel wheels and > hubcaps. > > At 09:52 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote: > >I have been negligent in washing.my wheels are looking bad..the rear > cleaned > >up well, but the front ones are not comming clean and it feels rough in > some > >places..some pitting I guess...any suggestions on what to clean them > with, > >to keep from making it worse? I know about the "clean wheels" but have > >heard discussions about overheating...some have said not to use, some say > ok > >if slotted..another said if one has a habit of "riding" the brakes while > >driving, it is problematic...what to do..I don't have time to clean > wheels 3 > >- 4 times a week.. > > > >thanks > > > >Rhonald > >1985 300D > >Black/Palomino > >290,000 miles > >Washington, DC > > > > > > > >___ > >http://www.striplin.net > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] 300D Bundtcake Rims
Leave em, Get em bead blasted and painted, or buy now ones. The last 2 choices are about the same price. Personally I prefer steel wheels and hubcaps. At 09:52 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote: I have been negligent in washing.my wheels are looking bad..the rear cleaned up well, but the front ones are not comming clean and it feels rough in some places..some pitting I guess...any suggestions on what to clean them with, to keep from making it worse? I know about the "clean wheels" but have heard discussions about overheating...some have said not to use, some say ok if slotted..another said if one has a habit of "riding" the brakes while driving, it is problematic...what to do..I don't have time to clean wheels 3 - 4 times a week.. thanks Rhonald 1985 300D Black/Palomino 290,000 miles Washington, DC ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
