Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?

[Jim Cathey]

So, I was originally under the impression the 300SD was just a slight
variation on the 300D.
I'm now getting the impression that the 300SD is an almost entirely
different car but using the same engine and transmission.


B.  They share the same ACC system too.  Certainly all the bodywork
and non-drivetrain components are different, upholstery, brakes, etc.
I think they can use the same wheels, as everything from the list of
107/114/115/116/123/126 use the same offset and bolt pattern.  Maybe
more (earlier), I don't know.  They changed with the 201 and 124 (which
share, themselves).  Newer than that and I have no clue, and even
less interest.

The 116 300SD is a fine-looking car, it's one of my favorites.  It
and the 107 really turn my crank.  The 126 300SD is a fine car, but
to my eye somewhat bland.  (We have an SDL, and no 116, so go figure.)

When shopping 300's, one ought to try out one of each to see which
suits your preferences best.  Don't forget the '87 124 300D, that
gives you five (in diesel) models to try out, plus coupe and wagon
variants too.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?

[Rick Knoble]

Oh yeah, what size are the wheels on the SD?  15's?  Are they swappable 
with

the 14's on the 300D?  (And put the 14's on the SD?)


I believe the bolt pattern is physically the same. If Marshall was here, 
however, you would learn the niceties of wheel offset and how if the 
engineers designed a particular car with a particular wheel, then leave it 
alone, they know more about steering and suspension technology than you 
do

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Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 

Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?

[Rick Knoble]

I'm now getting the impression that the 300SD is an almost entirely
different car but using the same engine and transmission.


Not almost. It IS an entirely different automobile. I think very few, if 
any, chassis, body or electrical parts will interchange. The "S" series was 
(and is) Mercedes premium auto (barring Maybach). They were designed to 
cruise the Autobahn at 125+ kph for hours on end, in comfort, safety, and 
security. The 300 series served more yeoman duties, such as taxi cabs in the 
third world. They are fine cars in their own right.


Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 

Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?

[Levi Smith]

So, I'm now gathering that the 300SD is more or less a different car with
the same engine and transmission as the 300D (both 83's).  So what parts are
the same(or compatible) between the two or which parts are different?

Engine
Transmission
brakes
body
suspension
springs
shocks
climate control
anything else?

Oh yeah, what size are the wheels on the SD?  15's?  Are they swappable with
the 14's on the 300D?  (And put the 14's on the SD?)

Thanks!
Levi

On 11/2/06, Fred Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ditto on what Jeff and others have said about the
differences.  I prefer the 123 though.  I prefer the
smaller size and the feeling of driving the car versus
riding along.  For me the 126 makes a great
vacation/highway cruiser.  In most other situations I
find it a little large and unwieldy and drive the 123,
Civic or Alfa.  Systems wise I prefer the manual
heating/AC controls versus the ACC on the 126.  Power
locks, seats and windows are just something else that
can go wrong.  I am the only person that drives my
vehicles so I've set the seat once. Back and forth
from work, it's the 240D.  700 mile roundtrip to Des
Moines, or up to Wisc somewhere then it's the
300SD...and if I'm really feeling lucky,the Alfa.

Fred Johnson
Chicago
1977 240D
1981 300SD
1991 A/R 164L
1996 Civic

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> Ahhh, the dfferences are many and varied. The S
> class is a much better
> drive. Quieter and more relaxed, especially on the
> highway!
>
> Between the two, I'd take the S any day! No
> comparison!! I've had both and
> the 123 is not in the same league as the 126.
> (Obviously)
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?

[Levi Smith]

So, I was originally under the impression the 300SD was just a slight
variation on the 300D.
I'm now getting the impression that the 300SD is an almost entirely
different car but using the same engine and transmission.

So...  Which parts are the same or different? From what I've
gathered/guessed:
Same:
Engine
Transmission

Different:
body
springs
shocks
steering
brakes

I'm just wonderingf
On 11/2/06, Fred Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ditto on what Jeff and others have said about the
differences.  I prefer the 123 though.  I prefer the
smaller size and the feeling of driving the car versus
riding along.  For me the 126 makes a great
vacation/highway cruiser.  In most other situations I
find it a little large and unwieldy and drive the 123,
Civic or Alfa.  Systems wise I prefer the manual
heating/AC controls versus the ACC on the 126.  Power
locks, seats and windows are just something else that
can go wrong.  I am the only person that drives my
vehicles so I've set the seat once. Back and forth
from work, it's the 240D.  700 mile roundtrip to Des
Moines, or up to Wisc somewhere then it's the
300SD...and if I'm really feeling lucky,the Alfa.

Fred Johnson
Chicago
1977 240D
1981 300SD
1991 A/R 164L
1996 Civic

--- Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ahhh, the dfferences are many and varied. The S
> class is a much better
> drive. Quieter and more relaxed, especially on the
> highway!
>
> Between the two, I'd take the S any day! No
> comparison!! I've had both and
> the 123 is not in the same league as the 126.
> (Obviously)
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?

[Curt Raymond]

In my search for another car I was looking hard for a 115 since I've already 
had two 123 cars but I'm also a big fan of the 116.
My wife doesn't particularly like the 124, 126 or 201 because the headlights 
aren't round...

I'd really love to have a 116 300SD. I should have bought a low mileage '79 
that I'd found last fall but skipped it instead for my 190D. I do love the 
mileage my 190D provides but the 116 cars are so much more comfortable and I do 
drive 110 miles a day...

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Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?

[ts]

Kevin said
I would have preferred that all such cars had the manual ACC
systems which the 240D's were equipped.

He is right a week link, but has fostered some interesting alternatives to 
fix it...Tom Bellefonte PA
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?



My heart always comes back to the 1977 to 1980 pre turbo 123 chassis, (my
two
cents).

I've had 5 of them, 3 300D's and 2 300CD's.  I would have to agree with 
you
on simplicity, no ALDA adjustment and no extra places for oil leaks such 
as

the turbo oil drain tubes.  I say this as I'm about ready to plunge into a
1983 300SD.  I'll let you know how I feel after owning a turbo car.  The
only thing I don't like about the older W123's (doesn't apply to 240D's) 
is
the ACC servo.  I would have preferred that all such cars had the manual 
ACC

systems which the 240D's were equipped.

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Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?

[kevin kraly]

My heart always comes back to the 1977 to 1980 pre turbo 123 chassis, (my 
two

cents).

I've had 5 of them, 3 300D's and 2 300CD's.  I would have to agree with you 
on simplicity, no ALDA adjustment and no extra places for oil leaks such as 
the turbo oil drain tubes.  I say this as I'm about ready to plunge into a 
1983 300SD.  I'll let you know how I feel after owning a turbo car.  The 
only thing I don't like about the older W123's (doesn't apply to 240D's) is 
the ACC servo.  I would have preferred that all such cars had the manual ACC 
systems which the 240D's were equipped.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 

Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?

[John Freer]

An 83 300D (that is what was asked) will have power windows and the
Auto A/C like in the 300SD. Engines are practically the same, both
being 617 turbo diesels. No power seats on the W123.

On 11/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have looked at many MB diesels, and still think the 123 chassis even with
non turbo engines (for simplicity)
was the high water mark of car design. Many will disagree about the turbo an
I know I am in the minority.
 I have toyed at buying the 115  and the 110 chassis an even some Ponton
diesels.  I do like the newer 190Ds
and 300D, but have not been able to quite make it pencil fiancially.
My heart always comes back to the 1977 to 1980 pre tubo 123 chassis, (my two
cents).  0-60mph in five minutes
Tom Scordato
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Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?


> Ditto on what Jeff and others have said about the
> differences.  I prefer the 123 though.  I prefer the
> smaller size and the feeling of driving the car versus
> riding along.  For me the 126 makes a great
> vacation/highway cruiser.  In most other situations I
> find it a little large and unwieldy and drive the 123,
> Civic or Alfa.  Systems wise I prefer the manual
> heating/AC controls versus the ACC on the 126.  Power
> locks, seats and windows are just something else that
> can go wrong.  I am the only person that drives my
> vehicles so I've set the seat once. Back and forth
> from work, it's the 240D.  700 mile roundtrip to Des
> Moines, or up to Wisc somewhere then it's the
> 300SD...and if I'm really feeling lucky,the Alfa.
>
> Fred Johnson
> Chicago
> 1977 240D
> 1981 300SD
> 1991 A/R 164L
> 1996 Civic
>
> --- Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Ahhh, the dfferences are many and varied. The S
>> class is a much better
>> drive. Quieter and more relaxed, especially on the
>> highway!
>>
>> Between the two, I'd take the S any day! No
>> comparison!! I've had both and
>> the 123 is not in the same league as the 126.
>> (Obviously)
>>
>>
>>
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>> Toronto
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Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?

[ts]

I have looked at many MB diesels, and still think the 123 chassis even with 
non turbo engines (for simplicity)
was the high water mark of car design. Many will disagree about the turbo an 
I know I am in the minority.
I have toyed at buying the 115  and the 110 chassis an even some Ponton 
diesels.  I do like the newer 190Ds

and 300D, but have not been able to quite make it pencil fiancially.
My heart always comes back to the 1977 to 1980 pre tubo 123 chassis, (my two 
cents).  0-60mph in five minutes

Tom Scordato
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?



Ditto on what Jeff and others have said about the
differences.  I prefer the 123 though.  I prefer the
smaller size and the feeling of driving the car versus
riding along.  For me the 126 makes a great
vacation/highway cruiser.  In most other situations I
find it a little large and unwieldy and drive the 123,
Civic or Alfa.  Systems wise I prefer the manual
heating/AC controls versus the ACC on the 126.  Power
locks, seats and windows are just something else that
can go wrong.  I am the only person that drives my
vehicles so I've set the seat once. Back and forth
from work, it's the 240D.  700 mile roundtrip to Des
Moines, or up to Wisc somewhere then it's the
300SD...and if I'm really feeling lucky,the Alfa.

Fred Johnson
Chicago
1977 240D
1981 300SD
1991 A/R 164L
1996 Civic

--- Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ahhh, the dfferences are many and varied. The S
class is a much better
drive. Quieter and more relaxed, especially on the
highway!

Between the two, I'd take the S any day! No
comparison!! I've had both and
the 123 is not in the same league as the 126.
(Obviously)



Jeff Zedic
Toronto
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Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?

[Fred Johnson]

Ditto on what Jeff and others have said about the
differences.  I prefer the 123 though.  I prefer the
smaller size and the feeling of driving the car versus
riding along.  For me the 126 makes a great
vacation/highway cruiser.  In most other situations I
find it a little large and unwieldy and drive the 123,
Civic or Alfa.  Systems wise I prefer the manual
heating/AC controls versus the ACC on the 126.  Power
locks, seats and windows are just something else that
can go wrong.  I am the only person that drives my
vehicles so I've set the seat once. Back and forth
from work, it's the 240D.  700 mile roundtrip to Des
Moines, or up to Wisc somewhere then it's the
300SD...and if I'm really feeling lucky,the Alfa.

Fred Johnson
Chicago
1977 240D
1981 300SD
1991 A/R 164L
1996 Civic

--- Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ahhh, the dfferences are many and varied. The S
> class is a much better
> drive. Quieter and more relaxed, especially on the
> highway!
> 
> Between the two, I'd take the S any day! No
> comparison!! I've had both and
> the 123 is not in the same league as the 126.
> (Obviously)
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?

[Jeff Zedic]

Ahhh, the dfferences are many and varied. The S class is a much better
drive. Quieter and more relaxed, especially on the highway!

Between the two, I'd take the S any day! No comparison!! I've had both and
the 123 is not in the same league as the 126. (Obviously)



Jeff Zedic
Toronto

Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?

[Luther]

'83 126 has Same engine/tranny, more rear seat leg room, leather 
interior, 8 way
power adjustable drivers/passenger front seats, and a MUCH better 
highway ride.


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Quoting Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


The SD is an S-class (duh) which gets you a slightly bigger car. AFAIK, same
engine, same or similar transmission, similar option packages.  I think you
could get headlight washers and different leather on the SD than the D.

On 11/1/06, Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ok, I've paid some attention, but not enough apparently to various models.
I'm considering Mike Canfield's 300SD.  It seems this 83' 300SD is a 126
as
opposed to  my 83' 300D which is a 123.

So...

What exactly would the difference(s) be?  So far all I can see is that it
looks like it has the flat square headlights...  There has to be more,
right?

Levi

Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?

[Sunil Hari]

The SD is an S-class (duh) which gets you a slightly bigger car. AFAIK, same
engine, same or similar transmission, similar option packages.  I think you
could get headlight washers and different leather on the SD than the D.

On 11/1/06, Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ok, I've paid some attention, but not enough apparently to various models.
I'm considering Mike Canfield's 300SD.  It seems this 83' 300SD is a 126
as
opposed to  my 83' 300D which is a 123.

So...

What exactly would the difference(s) be?  So far all I can see is that it
looks like it has the flat square headlights...  There has to be more,
right?

Levi
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