Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
It may be too late for this, but Classic Car on SPeed has a new product segment - they talked about Barr's Head Gasket Repair. I've used Barr's radiator seal with excellent results. Don't know how a head gasket repair might work but Barr's other products seem to work well. It's probably available at your FLAPS Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket With the help of Luther's magic pin pulling tool, we got the head off today. you can see from the photos (if Kaleb approves them), that the head and block look good. It was very oily between #1 and the chain vault. Both sides of the gasket were wet and so were the head and block. There is one photo of #3 or 4 cyl gasket area for reference. I'd wiped the oil off the head and block before I took the photos, so those are the cleaner areas in the photos. Although we haven't cleaned the head for re-assembly, I don't see any cracking anywhere. I also don't see signs of the head being brnt or eroded from combustion gases - which I did expect to see. The PO (Richard) drove it this way for a couple of years! It doesn't look very carboned up to me, though it's been a LONG time since I've seen a Diesel head off an engine. I see from the EPC that there have been several versions of this head gasket over the years, adding extra sealing aroung coolant and oil ports, etc. What are the current thoughts about gasket sealants on head gaskets? This one did not have any on it, though it's probably original with 200k miles.. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 block.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 95802 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 cylinder one.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 85576 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0001.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 head cyl 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 74092 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0002.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 head gasket bottom 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 72627 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0003.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 head gasket bottom cu 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 79258 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0004.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 head gasket cyl 3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 78717 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0005.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
Absolutely NO sealants, treatments, or other goo on the head gasket. There are rings of anaerobic setting sealant around the coolant and oil passages, and a viton o-ring for the oil return at the rear (the usual leak spot). Gasket shellac, sealant, or any other coating, especially on the stainless steel compression seal, is only going to cause the gasket to leak when it erodes unevenly during service. These gaskets cannot be repaired -- when they loose their elasticity, they leak, and it cannot be restored. Allow the engine to warm to operating temperature and cool off again before installing the pressure cap, as it can leak coolant around those seals until they have heat set. Critical on the M103, a good idea with the diesel. Peter -Original Message- From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 10, 2008 8:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket It may be too late for this, but Classic Car on SPeed has a new product segment - they talked about Barr's Head Gasket Repair. I've used Barr's radiator seal with excellent results. Don't know how a head gasket repair might work but Barr's other products seem to work well. It's probably available at your FLAPS Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket With the help of Luther's magic pin pulling tool, we got the head off today. you can see from the photos (if Kaleb approves them), that the head and block look good. It was very oily between #1 and the chain vault. Both sides of the gasket were wet and so were the head and block. There is one photo of #3 or 4 cyl gasket area for reference. I'd wiped the oil off the head and block before I took the photos, so those are the cleaner areas in the photos. Although we haven't cleaned the head for re-assembly, I don't see any cracking anywhere. I also don't see signs of the head being brnt or eroded from combustion gases - which I did expect to see. The PO (Richard) drove it this way for a couple of years! It doesn't look very carboned up to me, though it's been a LONG time since I've seen a Diesel head off an engine. I see from the EPC that there have been several versions of this head gasket over the years, adding extra sealing aroung coolant and oil ports, etc. What are the current thoughts about gasket sealants on head gaskets? This one did not have any on it, though it's probably original with 200k miles.. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 block.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 95802 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 cylinder one.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 85576 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0001.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 head cyl 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 74092 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0002.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 head gasket bottom 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 72627 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0003.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 head gasket bottom cu 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 79258 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0004.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 head gasket cyl 3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 78717 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0005.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
Sounds like VERY good advice - and I've not read/heard this elsewhere. Thanks! Allow the engine to warm to operating temperature and cool off again before installing the pressure cap, as it can leak coolant around those seals until they have heat set. Critical on the M103, a good idea with the diesel. Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
Here is an old email from Johnny B and Marshall. They both recommended applying Hylomar. -Dave Walton On May 9, 2006, at 8:26 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: Hi, All. Esp. Johnny B. Could some one give me the high points of Hylomar as it pertains to 190DT head gaskets? What is it exactly? Would NAPA stock it? How is it applied? Any other useful info appreciated, on list or off Ta, very much! Fred Moir Permatex Hylomar HPF (high performance formulation) #38411. Napa may stock it, I bought mine from a Car Quest, locally. It is a translucent blue sealant that also serves as a lubricant to minimize gasket scuffing. No idea what its made of. It appears that Marston Bentley Ltd owns the patent. I will not install a new head gasket between aluminum and cast iron without it. I've used it for years and never had a failure using Hylomar. It comes in a tube and is applied with a brush, I believe I saw it in a spray can years ago. I don't know of too many people who are even aware that this product exists. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am Frederick Moir wrote: Hi, All. Esp. Johnny B. Could some one give me the high points of Hylomar as it pertains to 190DT head gaskets? What is it exactly? Would NAPA stock it? How is it applied? Any other useful info appreciated, on list or off http://www.hylomar-usa.com/?sicontent=0sitrackingid=672074 Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 9:30 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the help of Luther's magic pin pulling tool, we got the head off today. you can see from the photos (if Kaleb approves them), that the head and block look good. It was very oily between #1 and the chain vault. Both sides of the gasket were wet and so were the head and block. There is one photo of #3 or 4 cyl gasket area for reference. I'd wiped the oil off the head and block before I took the photos, so those are the cleaner areas in the photos. Although we haven't cleaned the head for re-assembly, I don't see any cracking anywhere. I also don't see signs of the head being brnt or eroded from combustion gases - which I did expect to see. The PO (Richard) drove it this way for a couple of years! It doesn't look very carboned up to me, though it's been a LONG time since I've seen a Diesel head off an engine. I see from the EPC that there have been several versions of this head gasket over the years, adding extra sealing aroung coolant and oil ports, etc. What are the current thoughts about gasket sealants on head gaskets? This one did not have any on it, though it's probably original with 200k miles.. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 block.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 95802 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 cylinder one.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 85576 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0001.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 head cyl 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 74092 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0002.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 head gasket bottom 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 72627 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0003.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 head gasket bottom cu 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 79258 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0004.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603 head gasket cyl 3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 78717 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080607/594ec6df/attachment-0005.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
dave walton wrote: Here is an old email from Johnny B and Marshall. They both recommended applying Hylomar. I can remember John saying that. I do not know if he put it on the metal cylinder seals or just on the fiber part. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
If I were to do something like that, it would only be on the fiber part. I thought I'd remembered someting like that - but not that it was Hylomar. I used it between the timing case and the block on the 117 engine, but I didn't use anything on the head gasket. Who am I to out-guess/engineer MB? I can remember John saying that. I do not know if he put it on the metal cylinder seals or just on the fiber part. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
Who am I to out-guess/engineer MB? Lets see - rodbender engines, biodegradable wiring harnesses, water-based paint that flakes off all by itself... I suspect MB could use your help now and then. -Dave Walton On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:42 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I were to do something like that, it would only be on the fiber part. I thought I'd remembered someting like that - but not that it was Hylomar. I used it between the timing case and the block on the 117 engine, but I didn't use anything on the head gasket. Who am I to out-guess/engineer MB? I can remember John saying that. I do not know if he put it on the metal cylinder seals or just on the fiber part. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
Hmmm - good point. Add the heater fan in the 115 to that list! On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:48 PM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who am I to out-guess/engineer MB? Lets see - rodbender engines, biodegradable wiring harnesses, water-based paint that flakes off all by itself... I suspect MB could use your help now and then. -Dave Walton -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
Yup! That was me. I took their advice and used it (Hylomar) on an OM601, OM602, and M103. No failures so far. Supposed to prevent scrubbing of the head/gasket interface. Your cars head may well have slight (or not so slight) rings around the combustion chamber, shallow and smooth, that must be removed by planing a FEW thou. off the head. Record that number. Have fun. Fred Moir Lynn MA Current 85 300TD 87 190DT white (bent) 87 190DT blue Past 84 190D for a kid who just had to have it. 89 260E to a friend. At 01:34 PM 6/10/2008, you wrote: Here is an old email from Johnny B and Marshall. They both recommended applying Hylomar. -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket/broken stud
-Original Message- From: OK Don lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; To: Mercedes Discussion List lt;mercedes@okiebenz.comgt; Sent: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 6:59 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket ? You have at least one broken exhaust stud now, the one on the end of the longer exhaust manifold piece.? I have never heard of any 603 head that did not have a broken stud there.? What's odd is they break but they don't fall out! ? Put a wrench on it and see. ? Jim in Phoenix ??And I suppose that we'll have to strip the head to send it to the shop - I was hoping to avoid having to borrow the pre-chamber puller, risk breaking exhaust studs, etc., but I guess it is the prudent thing to do - sigh.On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; with the head off you still need to send it off to be checked at the gt; very least. Might be warped, might have cracks you cant see gt; -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED]To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket/broken stud
When I did the head on my '87SDL none of the exhaust studs were broken on either the old head or new one. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -Original Message- From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 6:59 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket ? You have at least one broken exhaust stud now, the one on the end of the longer exhaust manifold piece.? I have never heard of any 603 head that did not have a broken stud there.? What's odd is they break but they don't fall out! ? Put a wrench on it and see. ? Jim in Phoenix ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
Nope - not too late. The head has been cleaned with brake cleaner - no cracks are visible. I'm looking for a shop that can test it now --- this is not a hot bed of Mercedes head shops! I still don't see any reason for the oil leak between #1 and the chain case. those bolts were certainly tight enough! On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don, On digest and so maybe time-late, but try spraying brake cleaner on the area between the valves and the pre-chamber to see if there are any cracks there (they may be quite visible once you clean down to bare metal). Then I'd highly recommend you pay $50 or so to have the head pressure-checked and cleaned-up, to make sure there aren't any deeper issues. Book says that the pressure check (of the coolant passages) is supposed to be done in a hot tank (80 deg C). -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
I sent a link to a place that works on them Nope - not too late. The head has been cleaned with brake cleaner - no cracks are visible. I'm looking for a shop that can test it now --- this is not a hot bed of Mercedes head shops! I still don't see any reason for the oil leak between #1 and the chain case. those bolts were certainly tight enough! On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don, On digest and so maybe time-late, but try spraying brake cleaner on the area between the valves and the pre-chamber to see if there are any cracks there (they may be quite visible once you clean down to bare metal). Then I'd highly recommend you pay $50 or so to have the head pressure-checked and cleaned-up, to make sure there aren't any deeper issues. Book says that the pressure check (of the coolant passages) is supposed to be done in a hot tank (80 deg C). -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
with the head off you still need to send it off to be checked at the very least. Might be warped, might have cracks you cant see OK Don wrote: With the help of Luther's magic pin pulling tool, we got the head off today. you can see from the photos (if Kaleb approves them), that the head and block look good. It was very oily between #1 and the chain vault. Both sides of the gasket were wet and so were the head and block. There is one photo of #3 or 4 cyl gasket area for reference. I'd wiped the oil off the head and block before I took the photos, so those are the cleaner areas in the photos. Although we haven't cleaned the head for re-assembly, I don't see any cracking anywhere. I also don't see signs of the head being brnt or eroded from combustion gases - which I did expect to see. The PO (Richard) drove it this way for a couple of years! It doesn't look very carboned up to me, though it's been a LONG time since I've seen a Diesel head off an engine. I see from the EPC that there have been several versions of this head gasket over the years, adding extra sealing aroung coolant and oil ports, etc. What are the current thoughts about gasket sealants on head gaskets? This one did not have any on it, though it's probably original with 200k miles.. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
The head can be pressure tested without stripping it but you need keep all of the injectors glow plugs in place. But the head needs to be bolted down to a plate that had clearance for the prechamber ends. Also, the tech needs to know how to ID leak down issues caused by leaky injectors seals. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket And I suppose that we'll have to strip the head to send it to the shop - I was hoping to avoid having to borrow the pre-chamber puller, risk breaking exhaust studs, etc., but I guess it is the prudent thing to do - sigh. On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with the head off you still need to send it off to be checked at the very least. Might be warped, might have cracks you cant see -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1489 - Release Date: 6/7/2008 11:17 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1489 - Release Date: 6/7/2008 11:17 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
http://www.gishart.com/sites/dover/index.htm OK Don wrote: And I suppose that we'll have to strip the head to send it to the shop - I was hoping to avoid having to borrow the pre-chamber puller, risk breaking exhaust studs, etc., but I guess it is the prudent thing to do - sigh. On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with the head off you still need to send it off to be checked at the very least. Might be warped, might have cracks you cant see -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
I dont know about all that, I would ask they shop. I would give these guys a call OK Don wrote: And I suppose that we'll have to strip the head to send it to the shop - I was hoping to avoid having to borrow the pre-chamber puller, risk breaking exhaust studs, etc., but I guess it is the prudent thing to do - sigh. On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with the head off you still need to send it off to be checked at the very least. Might be warped, might have cracks you cant see -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300D head gasket
Your local truck MercedesBenz engine shop (combined with Detroit Diesel) might have the plate to pressure test the head. Call them. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.gishart.com/sites/dover/index.htm OK Don wrote: And I suppose that we'll have to strip the head to send it to the shop - I was hoping to avoid having to borrow the pre-chamber puller, risk breaking exhaust studs, etc., but I guess it is the prudent thing to do - sigh. On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with the head off you still need to send it off to be checked at the very least. Might be warped, might have cracks you cant see ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
