Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
Yep, it actually happened. Guy named Trace in Lewisville, TX. Not sure when he disappeared from the list, but he ended up rebuilding that engine. Even he admitted that it was a pretty freakish incident, though. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 6/20/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan Streib wrote: You use AutoFrost in a diesel? Is that a hydrocarbon blend? Didn't someone on the old DIESEL list recount a disaster when his propane/isobutane charged AC burst a hose and his engine ran away when it started breathing the gasses? I remember something about that. I don't remember if it actually happened or if people were talking about if it could happen. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
Is that the same guy that was having some sort of problem with IP timing and removed and installed the IP several times trying to get it right? Gary Thompson wrote: Yep, it actually happened. Guy named Trace in Lewisville, TX. Not sure when he disappeared from the list, but he ended up rebuilding that engine. Even he admitted that it was a pretty freakish incident, though. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 6/20/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan Streib wrote: You use AutoFrost in a diesel? Is that a hydrocarbon blend? Didn't someone on the old DIESEL list recount a disaster when his propane/isobutane charged AC burst a hose and his engine ran away when it started breathing the gasses? I remember something about that. I don't remember if it actually happened or if people were talking about if it could happen. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
That's the guy. Was timing the pump 180 degrees out. Gary On 6/21/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that the same guy that was having some sort of problem with IP timing and removed and installed the IP several times trying to get it right? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
oh yea. That guy seemed to attract bad news though. Wonder where he went? Maybe he didnt transfer over from mbz.org Gary Thompson wrote: That's the guy. Was timing the pump 180 degrees out. Gary On 6/21/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that the same guy that was having some sort of problem with IP timing and removed and installed the IP several times trying to get it right? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
no more dangerous that gasoline Peter Frederick wrote: Just a large leak and a spark.. This is why they are banned -- minor rear-ender turns into a window removing blast. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
Allan Streib wrote: You use AutoFrost in a diesel? Is that a hydrocarbon blend? Didn't someone on the old DIESEL list recount a disaster when his propane/isobutane charged AC burst a hose and his engine ran away when it started breathing the gasses? I remember something about that. I don't remember if it actually happened or if people were talking about if it could happen. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
On 6/19/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why they are banned -- minor rear-ender turns into a window removing blast. But that is, of course, not why a consortium of industries pushed for the ban. FUD is alive and well in our legislative arena. I do not believe that there is a particularly high risk associated with an HC refrigerant. As has been proven, R12 systems were actually quite flammable, and let us not discount experiences with propane-powered vehicles, and highly-pressurized gasoline systems. (FI systems.) Propane et al. are not even particularly flammable except in a rather narrow range of fuel/air ratios. Unlike gasoline. HC refrigerants are legal in Canada and Australia and probably lots of other places, too... not just legal, in fact, but the approved replacement for R12. I think if cars were detonating like Pintos in every minor fender-bender in those places, we'd hear about it. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
Jeez, getting boring, I have not seen a car blow up in traffic in days, here in Winnipeg. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers On 6/19/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why they are banned -- minor rear-ender turns into a window removing blast. But that is, of course, not why a consortium of industries pushed for the ban. FUD is alive and well in our legislative arena. I do not believe that there is a particularly high risk associated with an HC refrigerant. As has been proven, R12 systems were actually quite flammable, and let us not discount experiences with propane-powered vehicles, and highly-pressurized gasoline systems. (FI systems.) Propane et al. are not even particularly flammable except in a rather narrow range of fuel/air ratios. Unlike gasoline. HC refrigerants are legal in Canada and Australia and probably lots of other places, too... not just legal, in fact, but the approved replacement for R12. I think if cars were detonating like Pintos in every minor fender-bender in those places, we'd hear about it. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
I believe this more than the exploding compressor story that was passed around. AutoFrost can't explode while contained in a system because you are missing a key element - oxygen. On the other hand, I can see where a steady leak in the right place can fuel a diesel. I've kept an old Mercedes diesel running with periodic squirts of brake cleaner. It wasn't getting fuel. The problem ended up being a crack in the lift pump diaphram. Tom Original Message From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06/20/07 08:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Allan Streib wrote: You use AutoFrost in a diesel? Is that a hydrocarbon blend? Didn't someone on the old DIESEL list recount a disaster when his propane/isobutane charged AC burst a hose and his engine ran away when it started breathing the gasses? I remember something about that. I don't remember if it actually happened or if people were talking about if it could happen. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
Periodically someone manages to blow the side of a house in with a propane grill, too. Compressed hydrocarbon gasses are rather dangerous, and will burn on contact with air and an ignition source -- and will explode if conditions are right. Rather messy, the military uses propane tank airburst bombs to flatten large areas. Works better than big ship projectiles. Use caution with hydrocarbon refrigerants, especially watch charging and charge only by pressure, not weight. They weigh MUCH less than halogenated equivalents, so you must watch the pressure, not the weight or you grossly overcharge (overpressure) the system and something will let go. Hydrocarbon gasses ignite on contact with oxygen (i.e. air) above 450 degrees F instantly, no need for a spark. The exploded compressor could have been just serious overcharge (I saw pictures and know the individual). He picked up chunks of the housing off the freeway -- the rear half split into several sections and the pistons blew out. Quite a loud bang. Note that a slow leak will permit oxygen and nitrogen to enter that closed system through boundry layer migration -- I battle this all the time with gas chromatorgraphs. A minor leak out allows a smaller leak in along the surface of the containing material --- it diffuses through the nearly stationary atoms next to the metal pipe, rubber hose, etc. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Funny that you mention this - I have the *worst* time getting the kids to close the chromatorgraph when they're done. grin Dan --- Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that a slow leak will permit oxygen and nitrogen to enter that closed system through boundry layer migration -- I battle this all the time with gas chromatorgraphs. A minor leak out allows a smaller leak in along the surface of the containing material --- it diffuses through the nearly stationary atoms next to the metal pipe, rubber hose, etc. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
It seems than at Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:00:31 -0500, Peter wrote: Note that a slow leak will permit oxygen and nitrogen to enter that closed system through boundry layer migration -- I battle this all the time with gas chromatorgraphs. A minor leak out allows a smaller leak in along the surface of the containing material --- it diffuses through the nearly stationary atoms next to the metal pipe, rubber hose, etc. That's what I like about this list!!! No matter what the topic, there is some sensible, Mercedes owner who is smart about it. And I get to learn from them. I list like this is better than any college education - 'cause it's _useful_! -- Philip, using up my week's quota of exclamation points. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
I ordered a couple of cans of the super seal, didnt fix my leak but I used it with autofrost or one of those. It says 134 and R12 so maybe thats is why it didnt work. Allan Streib wrote: Has anyone ever used either of these products: Cryo-Seal http://www.cryochem.com/r134a.php Cliplight Super Seal http://www.cliplight.com/automotive/products.php?pageID=Product_DetailsproductID=232catID=4 And if so what were the results? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I ordered a couple of cans of the super seal, didnt fix my leak but I used it with autofrost or one of those. It says 134 and R12 so maybe thats is why it didnt work. You use AutoFrost in a diesel? Is that a hydrocarbon blend? Didn't someone on the old DIESEL list recount a disaster when his propane/isobutane charged AC burst a hose and his engine ran away when it started breathing the gasses? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Don't remember that one, but I do remember someone detonating his compressor, either from a serious overcharge of propane or from and actual explosion. Blew shrapnel all over the road. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
no autofrost is not a hydrocarbon. I have used the hydrocarbon ones before, I am not worried. It would be a pretty freak deal to have a disater. Allan Streib wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I ordered a couple of cans of the super seal, didnt fix my leak but I used it with autofrost or one of those. It says 134 and R12 so maybe thats is why it didnt work. You use AutoFrost in a diesel? Is that a hydrocarbon blend? Didn't someone on the old DIESEL list recount a disaster when his propane/isobutane charged AC burst a hose and his engine ran away when it started breathing the gasses? Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
Just a large leak and a spark.. This is why they are banned -- minor rear-ender turns into a window removing blast. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm running a propane/isobutane blend in my diesel (and gasser VW van), and really like how it's working. No problems to report...yet. Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C sealers
This is why they are banned -- minor rear-ender turns into a window removing blast. But that is, of course, not why a consortium of industries pushed for the ban. FUD is alive and well in our legislative arena. I do not believe that there is a particularly high risk associated with an HC refrigerant. As has been proven, R12 systems were actually quite flammable, and let us not discount experiences with propane-powered vehicles, and highly-pressurized gasoline systems. (FI systems.) Propane et al. are not even particularly flammable except in a rather narrow range of fuel/air ratios. Unlike gasoline. R12 was safer, but now we can't use it. I use HC myself. It works great, is inexpensive, and harmless to the environment. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
