Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-08 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Wow! Japanese stuff is normally engineered pretty well. Maybe they put a 
new hire on that design? :-) Probably someone who normally works on EV's...


Sounds terrible getting it bled.

LarryT



On 09/05/2018 7:50 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Installed the new hose yesterday evening, so SWMBO is back in her ride with
nice cold AC.  What a difficult job because of the really bad routing of
the hydraulic lines!  Nissan decided that the line from the master cylinder
should loop up higher than the MC reservoir before going down to the slave
cylinder, so bleeding the system is about as difficult as possible.  Worse,
the MC reservoir cap is a simple push-on, not a screw-down, so a pressure
bleeder at that end makes a big mess of leaking brake fluid.

I could not get any fluid to move out of the MC by operating the clutch
pedal, so I spent about an hour or so rigging up a pressure bleeder cap.  I
finally got some fluid moving but not without leaking all over the place.

Once I had fluid moving, I connected a hose at the middle bleeder valve.
Yes Nissan installed two bleeder valves, one at the slave cylinder and one
at a mid-point in the hydraulic lines.  Unfortunately the middle bleeder
valve is NOT at the highpoint of the system, where the air bubble lives;
that would make too much sense to put the bleeder valve there.  The hose
from the middle bleeder valve was routed back into the MC reservoir, and
after about twenty or thirty minutes of pump the pedal, that fluid was
finally free of bubbles.

Repeat procedure at the lower bleeder valve (slave cylinder).  Test the
pedal action, still too spongy from air in the system.  Repeat procedure at
middle bleeder valve, more air, and then again at lower bleeder, and
finally the pedal is perfect.

Next time I'm going to rig up a big vacuum source connected to the lower
bleeder valve (I tried the mityvac, that just wasn't able to do the job)
and with all that suction maybe this job won't suck quite so much.  I've
got an old empty R-22 bottle and a new vacuum pump, need to rig up some
lines so I can start using that for oil changes and jobs like this.  I
wonder how the dealer boys do this, my copy of the FSM for this car is
largely silent on how to bleed the clutch other than pointing out there are
two bleeder valves.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-05 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

yes, I do that all the time with fuel and A/T fittings.

Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

This is one end of a leaking hydraulic hose for the clutch on our Infiniti I30. 
 I'm thinking I can cut off the ferrule, install new hose cut out of a new 
brake line, and then crimp on with an Oetiker clamp.
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-05 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Only one of the reasons I much prefer the low pressure fuel pump method
over "pressure bleeders"

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sounds like a good solution to a simple problem.
>
> Please remember to wear some good form or eye protection. Brake fluid is
> sort of nasty stuff and if it starts spraying out somewhere, you will not
> want it in your eyes.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 05/09/2018 12:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> For the past 20 years, I've solved difficult to impossible brake and
>> clutch
>> bleeding problems with a small and very cheap electric fuel pump attached
>> to the bleed screw port with clear poly line [use it once, throw it away,
>> it's cheap at hardware bulk hose].
>>
>> I attach the pump to the bleed screw, with suction side hose on bleed
>> screw.. energize pump, and evacuate the entire system into a suitable
>> container via the exit side hose.
>> Then:
>> Reverse the pump connections, put suction side hose in a container of
>> fresh
>> brake fluid and connect the exit side hose to the bleed screw... Open
>> bleed
>> screw... CAUTION.. install cap lightly on the master cylinder, if you
>> don't
>> you will squirt brake fluid on everything in the engine bay
>>
>> Energize pump and pump FROM the slave cylinder TO the master cylinder...
>> air likes to move UP... but hates to move DOWN since you are pumping
>> fluid from the lowest point to the highest point in the system, the air
>> trapped in the lines and components is pushed UP and OUT..
>>
>> Watch the level of fluid in the master cylinder container. Once there is
>> at
>> least 1/4 inch of fluid above the bottom, the port is covered in the
>> master
>> cylinder, so stop the pump and close the bleed screw fill the master
>> to
>> the fill mark and you are done.
>>
>> One man, no pumping the pedal, no back and forth trying to overcome the
>> trapped air bubble lost in the system Flea Bay or Large Women should
>> sell you a low pressure 12V fuel pump for less than $12... add enough low
>> voltage wire [Home Depot] with alligator clips to reach the battery, and
>> put a simple on off switch in line Bobs Yer Unkle...Stock up a few
>> feet
>> or yards of clear poly hose the right size to fit bleed screws and pump
>> ports...
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-05 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Larry,
Thanks, great questions, which told me I left out a step.

While the caliper bleed screw is open and you are pumping the system empty,
through the bleed screw,  When the pump stops pumping fluid [you will see
air in the clear poly line.. I like to dump in a bit of clean fluid at the
master cylinder to "flush out the lines and caliper...Then the internal
parts get a flush...

re pushing the fluid back to the cylinders... With this system, you are
re-loading fluid FROM the wheel cylinders or calipers back UP to the master
cylinder tank.

"Low pressure fuel pump" would be anything in the 7 PSI to 12 PSI range
old school carburetor fuel system type...NOT fuel injection with 125 PSI...
which are much more expensive anyway...

Hope this helps try it once, you will be completely spoiled, I was. It
makes bleeding brakes or hydraulics a "One man job"..

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Wow! Great solution.  I have a question though - without opening the
> caliper bleed screws does is all the fluid get pumped from the calipers
>
>
> On 09/05/2018 1:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> For the past 20 years, I've solved difficult to impossible brake and
>> clutch
>> bleeding problems with a small and very cheap electric fuel pump attached
>> to the bleed screw port with clear poly line [use it once, throw it away,
>> it's cheap at hardware bulk hose].
>>
>> I attach the pump to the bleed screw, with suction side hose on bleed
>> screw.. energize pump, and evacuate the entire system into a suitable
>> container via the exit side hose.
>> Then:
>> Reverse the pump connections, put suction side hose in a container of
>> fresh
>> brake fluid and connect the exit side hose to the bleed screw... Open
>> bleed
>> screw... CAUTION.. install cap lightly on the master cylinder, if you
>> don't
>> you will squirt brake fluid on everything in the engine bay
>>
>> Energize pump and pump FROM the slave cylinder TO the master cylinder...
>> air likes to move UP... but hates to move DOWN since you are pumping
>> fluid from the lowest point to the highest point in the system, the air
>> trapped in the lines and components is pushed UP and OUT..
>>
>> Watch the level of fluid in the master cylinder container. Once there is
>> at
>> least 1/4 inch of fluid above the bottom, the port is covered in the
>> master
>> cylinder, so stop the pump and close the bleed screw fill the master
>> to
>> the fill mark and you are done.
>>
>> One man, no pumping the pedal, no back and forth trying to overcome the
>> trapped air bubble lost in the system Flea Bay or Large Women should
>> sell you a low pressure 12V fuel pump for less than $12... add enough low
>> voltage wire [Home Depot] with alligator clips to reach the battery, and
>> put a simple on off switch in line Bobs Yer Unkle...Stock up a few
>> feet
>> or yards of clear poly hose the right size to fit bleed screws and pump
>> ports...
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 4:50 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Installed the new hose yesterday evening, so SWMBO is back in her ride
>>> with
>>> nice cold AC.  What a difficult job because of the really bad routing of
>>> the hydraulic lines!  Nissan decided that the line from the master
>>> cylinder
>>> should loop up higher than the MC reservoir before going down to the
>>> slave
>>> cylinder, so bleeding the system is about as difficult as possible.
>>> Worse,
>>> the MC reservoir cap is a simple push-on, not a screw-down, so a pressure
>>> bleeder at that end makes a big mess of leaking brake fluid.
>>>
>>> I could not get any fluid to move out of the MC by operating the clutch
>>> pedal, so I spent about an hour or so rigging up a pressure bleeder
>>> cap.  I
>>> finally got some fluid moving but not without leaking all over the place.
>>>
>>> Once I had fluid moving, I connected a hose at the middle bleeder valve.
>>> Yes Nissan installed two bleeder valves, one at the slave cylinder and
>>> one
>>> at a mid-point in the hydraulic lines.  Unfortunately the middle bleeder
>>> valve is NOT at the highpoint of the system, where the air bubble lives;
>>> that would make too much sense to put the bleeder valve there.  The hose
>>> from the middle bleeder valve was routed back into the MC reservoir, and
>>> after about twenty or thirty minutes of pump the pedal, that fluid was
>>> finally free of bubbles.
>>>
>>> Repeat procedure at the lower bleeder valve (slave cylinder).  Test the
>>> pedal action, still too spongy from air in the system.  Repeat procedure
>>> at
>>> middle bleeder valve, more air, and then again at lower bleeder, and
>>> finally the pedal is perfect.
>>>
>>> Next time I'm going to rig up a big vacuum source connected to the lower
>>> bleeder valve (I tried the mityvac, that just wasn't able to do the job)
>>> and with all that suction maybe this job won't suck quite so much.  I've
>>> got an old 

Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-05 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

Sounds like a good solution to a simple problem.

Please remember to wear some good form or eye protection. Brake fluid is 
sort of nasty stuff and if it starts spraying out somewhere, you will 
not want it in your eyes.


RB

On 05/09/2018 12:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

For the past 20 years, I've solved difficult to impossible brake and clutch
bleeding problems with a small and very cheap electric fuel pump attached
to the bleed screw port with clear poly line [use it once, throw it away,
it's cheap at hardware bulk hose].

I attach the pump to the bleed screw, with suction side hose on bleed
screw.. energize pump, and evacuate the entire system into a suitable
container via the exit side hose.
Then:
Reverse the pump connections, put suction side hose in a container of fresh
brake fluid and connect the exit side hose to the bleed screw... Open bleed
screw... CAUTION.. install cap lightly on the master cylinder, if you don't
you will squirt brake fluid on everything in the engine bay

Energize pump and pump FROM the slave cylinder TO the master cylinder...
air likes to move UP... but hates to move DOWN since you are pumping
fluid from the lowest point to the highest point in the system, the air
trapped in the lines and components is pushed UP and OUT..

Watch the level of fluid in the master cylinder container. Once there is at
least 1/4 inch of fluid above the bottom, the port is covered in the master
cylinder, so stop the pump and close the bleed screw fill the master to
the fill mark and you are done.

One man, no pumping the pedal, no back and forth trying to overcome the
trapped air bubble lost in the system Flea Bay or Large Women should
sell you a low pressure 12V fuel pump for less than $12... add enough low
voltage wire [Home Depot] with alligator clips to reach the battery, and
put a simple on off switch in line Bobs Yer Unkle...Stock up a few feet
or yards of clear poly hose the right size to fit bleed screws and pump
ports...




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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-05 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


> On September 5, 2018 at 4:25 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That would have worked for me I'll bet, but I'll have more fun rigging up my 
> vacuum tank.

Or buy a cheap pressure tank.
https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/gardening/lawn-plant-care/garden-sprayers/chapin-reg-2-liter-hand-pump-sprayer/10030/p-1512026927137-c-1463608034800.htm

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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-05 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
That would have worked for me I'll bet, but I'll have more fun rigging up my 
vacuum tank.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 5, 2018 1:23:24 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>For the past 20 years, I've solved difficult to impossible brake and
>clutch
>bleeding problems with a small and very cheap electric fuel pump
>attached
>to the bleed screw port with clear poly line [use it once, throw it
>away,
>it's cheap at hardware bulk hose].
>
>I attach the pump to the bleed screw, with suction side hose on bleed
>screw.. energize pump, and evacuate the entire system into a suitable
>container via the exit side hose.
>Then:
>Reverse the pump connections, put suction side hose in a container of
>fresh
>brake fluid and connect the exit side hose to the bleed screw... Open
>bleed
>screw... CAUTION.. install cap lightly on the master cylinder, if you
>don't
>you will squirt brake fluid on everything in the engine bay
>
>Energize pump and pump FROM the slave cylinder TO the master
>cylinder...
>air likes to move UP... but hates to move DOWN since you are
>pumping
>fluid from the lowest point to the highest point in the system, the air
>trapped in the lines and components is pushed UP and OUT..
>
>Watch the level of fluid in the master cylinder container. Once there
>is at
>least 1/4 inch of fluid above the bottom, the port is covered in the
>master
>cylinder, so stop the pump and close the bleed screw fill the
>master to
>the fill mark and you are done.
>
>One man, no pumping the pedal, no back and forth trying to overcome the
>trapped air bubble lost in the system Flea Bay or Large Women
>should
>sell you a low pressure 12V fuel pump for less than $12... add enough
>low
>voltage wire [Home Depot] with alligator clips to reach the battery,
>and
>put a simple on off switch in line Bobs Yer Unkle...Stock up a few
>feet
>or yards of clear poly hose the right size to fit bleed screws and pump
>ports...
>
>On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 4:50 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Installed the new hose yesterday evening, so SWMBO is back in her
>ride with
>> nice cold AC.  What a difficult job because of the really bad routing
>of
>> the hydraulic lines!  Nissan decided that the line from the master
>cylinder
>> should loop up higher than the MC reservoir before going down to the
>slave
>> cylinder, so bleeding the system is about as difficult as possible. 
>Worse,
>> the MC reservoir cap is a simple push-on, not a screw-down, so a
>pressure
>> bleeder at that end makes a big mess of leaking brake fluid.
>>
>> I could not get any fluid to move out of the MC by operating the
>clutch
>> pedal, so I spent about an hour or so rigging up a pressure bleeder
>cap.  I
>> finally got some fluid moving but not without leaking all over the
>place.
>>
>> Once I had fluid moving, I connected a hose at the middle bleeder
>valve.
>> Yes Nissan installed two bleeder valves, one at the slave cylinder
>and one
>> at a mid-point in the hydraulic lines.  Unfortunately the middle
>bleeder
>> valve is NOT at the highpoint of the system, where the air bubble
>lives;
>> that would make too much sense to put the bleeder valve there.  The
>hose
>> from the middle bleeder valve was routed back into the MC reservoir,
>and
>> after about twenty or thirty minutes of pump the pedal, that fluid
>was
>> finally free of bubbles.
>>
>> Repeat procedure at the lower bleeder valve (slave cylinder).  Test
>the
>> pedal action, still too spongy from air in the system.  Repeat
>procedure at
>> middle bleeder valve, more air, and then again at lower bleeder, and
>> finally the pedal is perfect.
>>
>> Next time I'm going to rig up a big vacuum source connected to the
>lower
>> bleeder valve (I tried the mityvac, that just wasn't able to do the
>job)
>> and with all that suction maybe this job won't suck quite so much. 
>I've
>> got an old empty R-22 bottle and a new vacuum pump, need to rig up
>some
>> lines so I can start using that for oil changes and jobs like this. 
>I
>> wonder how the dealer boys do this, my copy of the FSM for this car
>is
>> largely silent on how to bleed the clutch other than pointing out
>there are
>> two bleeder valves.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-05 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Larry wrote:

> I had the same question about pushing the fluid back to the
> cylinders? When you say Low Pressure Pump, how 'low' are you
> talking?

Many cars need 10-15 PSI supply, so typically I would expect <20
PSI.  I think if it's under 50 PSI it can be considered "low
pressure".

About the bleed screws - think of them as a valve.  Open the
bleeder to pump fluid out or in.  Close it to seal.  

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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-05 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes

Sorry, damned glide pad - hit Send too soon.

I had the same question about pushing the fluid back to the cylinders?  
When you say Low Pressure Pump, how 'low' are you talking?


LarryT


On 09/05/2018 1:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

For the past 20 years, I've solved difficult to impossible brake and clutch
bleeding problems with a small and very cheap electric fuel pump attached
to the bleed screw port with clear poly line [use it once, throw it away,
it's cheap at hardware bulk hose].

I attach the pump to the bleed screw, with suction side hose on bleed
screw.. energize pump, and evacuate the entire system into a suitable
container via the exit side hose.
Then:
Reverse the pump connections, put suction side hose in a container of fresh
brake fluid and connect the exit side hose to the bleed screw... Open bleed
screw... CAUTION.. install cap lightly on the master cylinder, if you don't
you will squirt brake fluid on everything in the engine bay

Energize pump and pump FROM the slave cylinder TO the master cylinder...
air likes to move UP... but hates to move DOWN since you are pumping
fluid from the lowest point to the highest point in the system, the air
trapped in the lines and components is pushed UP and OUT..

Watch the level of fluid in the master cylinder container. Once there is at
least 1/4 inch of fluid above the bottom, the port is covered in the master
cylinder, so stop the pump and close the bleed screw fill the master to
the fill mark and you are done.

One man, no pumping the pedal, no back and forth trying to overcome the
trapped air bubble lost in the system Flea Bay or Large Women should
sell you a low pressure 12V fuel pump for less than $12... add enough low
voltage wire [Home Depot] with alligator clips to reach the battery, and
put a simple on off switch in line Bobs Yer Unkle...Stock up a few feet
or yards of clear poly hose the right size to fit bleed screws and pump
ports...

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 4:50 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Installed the new hose yesterday evening, so SWMBO is back in her ride with
nice cold AC.  What a difficult job because of the really bad routing of
the hydraulic lines!  Nissan decided that the line from the master cylinder
should loop up higher than the MC reservoir before going down to the slave
cylinder, so bleeding the system is about as difficult as possible.  Worse,
the MC reservoir cap is a simple push-on, not a screw-down, so a pressure
bleeder at that end makes a big mess of leaking brake fluid.

I could not get any fluid to move out of the MC by operating the clutch
pedal, so I spent about an hour or so rigging up a pressure bleeder cap.  I
finally got some fluid moving but not without leaking all over the place.

Once I had fluid moving, I connected a hose at the middle bleeder valve.
Yes Nissan installed two bleeder valves, one at the slave cylinder and one
at a mid-point in the hydraulic lines.  Unfortunately the middle bleeder
valve is NOT at the highpoint of the system, where the air bubble lives;
that would make too much sense to put the bleeder valve there.  The hose
from the middle bleeder valve was routed back into the MC reservoir, and
after about twenty or thirty minutes of pump the pedal, that fluid was
finally free of bubbles.

Repeat procedure at the lower bleeder valve (slave cylinder).  Test the
pedal action, still too spongy from air in the system.  Repeat procedure at
middle bleeder valve, more air, and then again at lower bleeder, and
finally the pedal is perfect.

Next time I'm going to rig up a big vacuum source connected to the lower
bleeder valve (I tried the mityvac, that just wasn't able to do the job)
and with all that suction maybe this job won't suck quite so much.  I've
got an old empty R-22 bottle and a new vacuum pump, need to rig up some
lines so I can start using that for oil changes and jobs like this.  I
wonder how the dealer boys do this, my copy of the FSM for this car is
largely silent on how to bleed the clutch other than pointing out there are
two bleeder valves.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-05 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Wow! Great solution.  I have a question though - without opening the 
caliper bleed screws does is all the fluid get pumped from the calipers



On 09/05/2018 1:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

For the past 20 years, I've solved difficult to impossible brake and clutch
bleeding problems with a small and very cheap electric fuel pump attached
to the bleed screw port with clear poly line [use it once, throw it away,
it's cheap at hardware bulk hose].

I attach the pump to the bleed screw, with suction side hose on bleed
screw.. energize pump, and evacuate the entire system into a suitable
container via the exit side hose.
Then:
Reverse the pump connections, put suction side hose in a container of fresh
brake fluid and connect the exit side hose to the bleed screw... Open bleed
screw... CAUTION.. install cap lightly on the master cylinder, if you don't
you will squirt brake fluid on everything in the engine bay

Energize pump and pump FROM the slave cylinder TO the master cylinder...
air likes to move UP... but hates to move DOWN since you are pumping
fluid from the lowest point to the highest point in the system, the air
trapped in the lines and components is pushed UP and OUT..

Watch the level of fluid in the master cylinder container. Once there is at
least 1/4 inch of fluid above the bottom, the port is covered in the master
cylinder, so stop the pump and close the bleed screw fill the master to
the fill mark and you are done.

One man, no pumping the pedal, no back and forth trying to overcome the
trapped air bubble lost in the system Flea Bay or Large Women should
sell you a low pressure 12V fuel pump for less than $12... add enough low
voltage wire [Home Depot] with alligator clips to reach the battery, and
put a simple on off switch in line Bobs Yer Unkle...Stock up a few feet
or yards of clear poly hose the right size to fit bleed screws and pump
ports...

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 4:50 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Installed the new hose yesterday evening, so SWMBO is back in her ride with
nice cold AC.  What a difficult job because of the really bad routing of
the hydraulic lines!  Nissan decided that the line from the master cylinder
should loop up higher than the MC reservoir before going down to the slave
cylinder, so bleeding the system is about as difficult as possible.  Worse,
the MC reservoir cap is a simple push-on, not a screw-down, so a pressure
bleeder at that end makes a big mess of leaking brake fluid.

I could not get any fluid to move out of the MC by operating the clutch
pedal, so I spent about an hour or so rigging up a pressure bleeder cap.  I
finally got some fluid moving but not without leaking all over the place.

Once I had fluid moving, I connected a hose at the middle bleeder valve.
Yes Nissan installed two bleeder valves, one at the slave cylinder and one
at a mid-point in the hydraulic lines.  Unfortunately the middle bleeder
valve is NOT at the highpoint of the system, where the air bubble lives;
that would make too much sense to put the bleeder valve there.  The hose
from the middle bleeder valve was routed back into the MC reservoir, and
after about twenty or thirty minutes of pump the pedal, that fluid was
finally free of bubbles.

Repeat procedure at the lower bleeder valve (slave cylinder).  Test the
pedal action, still too spongy from air in the system.  Repeat procedure at
middle bleeder valve, more air, and then again at lower bleeder, and
finally the pedal is perfect.

Next time I'm going to rig up a big vacuum source connected to the lower
bleeder valve (I tried the mityvac, that just wasn't able to do the job)
and with all that suction maybe this job won't suck quite so much.  I've
got an old empty R-22 bottle and a new vacuum pump, need to rig up some
lines so I can start using that for oil changes and jobs like this.  I
wonder how the dealer boys do this, my copy of the FSM for this car is
largely silent on how to bleed the clutch other than pointing out there are
two bleeder valves.
-
Max
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-05 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
For the past 20 years, I've solved difficult to impossible brake and clutch
bleeding problems with a small and very cheap electric fuel pump attached
to the bleed screw port with clear poly line [use it once, throw it away,
it's cheap at hardware bulk hose].

I attach the pump to the bleed screw, with suction side hose on bleed
screw.. energize pump, and evacuate the entire system into a suitable
container via the exit side hose.
Then:
Reverse the pump connections, put suction side hose in a container of fresh
brake fluid and connect the exit side hose to the bleed screw... Open bleed
screw... CAUTION.. install cap lightly on the master cylinder, if you don't
you will squirt brake fluid on everything in the engine bay

Energize pump and pump FROM the slave cylinder TO the master cylinder...
air likes to move UP... but hates to move DOWN since you are pumping
fluid from the lowest point to the highest point in the system, the air
trapped in the lines and components is pushed UP and OUT..

Watch the level of fluid in the master cylinder container. Once there is at
least 1/4 inch of fluid above the bottom, the port is covered in the master
cylinder, so stop the pump and close the bleed screw fill the master to
the fill mark and you are done.

One man, no pumping the pedal, no back and forth trying to overcome the
trapped air bubble lost in the system Flea Bay or Large Women should
sell you a low pressure 12V fuel pump for less than $12... add enough low
voltage wire [Home Depot] with alligator clips to reach the battery, and
put a simple on off switch in line Bobs Yer Unkle...Stock up a few feet
or yards of clear poly hose the right size to fit bleed screws and pump
ports...

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> Installed the new hose yesterday evening, so SWMBO is back in her ride with
> nice cold AC.  What a difficult job because of the really bad routing of
> the hydraulic lines!  Nissan decided that the line from the master cylinder
> should loop up higher than the MC reservoir before going down to the slave
> cylinder, so bleeding the system is about as difficult as possible.  Worse,
> the MC reservoir cap is a simple push-on, not a screw-down, so a pressure
> bleeder at that end makes a big mess of leaking brake fluid.
>
> I could not get any fluid to move out of the MC by operating the clutch
> pedal, so I spent about an hour or so rigging up a pressure bleeder cap.  I
> finally got some fluid moving but not without leaking all over the place.
>
> Once I had fluid moving, I connected a hose at the middle bleeder valve.
> Yes Nissan installed two bleeder valves, one at the slave cylinder and one
> at a mid-point in the hydraulic lines.  Unfortunately the middle bleeder
> valve is NOT at the highpoint of the system, where the air bubble lives;
> that would make too much sense to put the bleeder valve there.  The hose
> from the middle bleeder valve was routed back into the MC reservoir, and
> after about twenty or thirty minutes of pump the pedal, that fluid was
> finally free of bubbles.
>
> Repeat procedure at the lower bleeder valve (slave cylinder).  Test the
> pedal action, still too spongy from air in the system.  Repeat procedure at
> middle bleeder valve, more air, and then again at lower bleeder, and
> finally the pedal is perfect.
>
> Next time I'm going to rig up a big vacuum source connected to the lower
> bleeder valve (I tried the mityvac, that just wasn't able to do the job)
> and with all that suction maybe this job won't suck quite so much.  I've
> got an old empty R-22 bottle and a new vacuum pump, need to rig up some
> lines so I can start using that for oil changes and jobs like this.  I
> wonder how the dealer boys do this, my copy of the FSM for this car is
> largely silent on how to bleed the clutch other than pointing out there are
> two bleeder valves.
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> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-05 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Installed the new hose yesterday evening, so SWMBO is back in her ride with
nice cold AC.  What a difficult job because of the really bad routing of
the hydraulic lines!  Nissan decided that the line from the master cylinder
should loop up higher than the MC reservoir before going down to the slave
cylinder, so bleeding the system is about as difficult as possible.  Worse,
the MC reservoir cap is a simple push-on, not a screw-down, so a pressure
bleeder at that end makes a big mess of leaking brake fluid.

I could not get any fluid to move out of the MC by operating the clutch
pedal, so I spent about an hour or so rigging up a pressure bleeder cap.  I
finally got some fluid moving but not without leaking all over the place.

Once I had fluid moving, I connected a hose at the middle bleeder valve.
Yes Nissan installed two bleeder valves, one at the slave cylinder and one
at a mid-point in the hydraulic lines.  Unfortunately the middle bleeder
valve is NOT at the highpoint of the system, where the air bubble lives;
that would make too much sense to put the bleeder valve there.  The hose
from the middle bleeder valve was routed back into the MC reservoir, and
after about twenty or thirty minutes of pump the pedal, that fluid was
finally free of bubbles.

Repeat procedure at the lower bleeder valve (slave cylinder).  Test the
pedal action, still too spongy from air in the system.  Repeat procedure at
middle bleeder valve, more air, and then again at lower bleeder, and
finally the pedal is perfect.

Next time I'm going to rig up a big vacuum source connected to the lower
bleeder valve (I tried the mityvac, that just wasn't able to do the job)
and with all that suction maybe this job won't suck quite so much.  I've
got an old empty R-22 bottle and a new vacuum pump, need to rig up some
lines so I can start using that for oil changes and jobs like this.  I
wonder how the dealer boys do this, my copy of the FSM for this car is
largely silent on how to bleed the clutch other than pointing out there are
two bleeder valves.
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-04 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Charleston Rubber & Gasket made up a new hose, not a perfect match but
close enough to get the car back on the road.

Now I've got some breathing room to order the dealership part that should
last another 22 years...
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 8:12 AM Meade Dillon  wrote:

> The hose diameter is 1/8".  The banjo end - 10mm?
>
> I see three options, probably going to go with #1:
>
> 1) Visit local hydraulic shop Tuesday over my lunch period and see if
> they'll make up a new hose while I wait.
>
> 2) Order from local dealer, wait one of two days for delivery to dealer
> and pick it up there.
>
> 3) Order aftermarket of unknown quality from FLAPS, wait one or two days
> for pick up in store.
>
> If any FLAPS is open today, I may order a hose just to get the car back on
> the road, and then get a better quality hose later from either dealer or
> the local hydraulic shop (most likely I'll go to the shop, that option just
> seems like more fun).
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 10:07 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Along with Oil Analysis Services, I also sell a few banjo fittings -- I
>> need the size to check & see what my supplier has.   I normally sell
>> Banjo fittings to be used with Weber Carbs, fuel pumps, pressure control
>> kits, etc.  We have both barb or AN fittings.   Our most common AN size
>> is -6  
>>
>> but if the hoses are professionally crimped/assembled better to do as
>> suggested.
>>
>> LarryT
>>
>>
>> On 09/01/2018 8:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> > A good hose shop will have all the right stuff to remove the crimp and
>> save
>> > the fitting.
>> >
>> > They will also have the right hose to make up a replacement, and crimp
>> it
>> > properly.
>> >
>> > The crimp sleeve will be cut off and the barbed feral inside the hose
>> > saved, undamaged.
>> > A new proper sized crimp sleeve will be put on that will hold the
>> pressure
>> > required...
>> >
>> > Should be an easy "in and out" job..
>> >
>> > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 5:22 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Looks like patience is the answer, Parks doesn't have the banjo
>> fitting.
>> >> Now do I special order an aftermarket part or a dealer part, or try
>> Napa
>> >> when they open next week.
>> >> --
>> >> Max Dillon
>> >> Charleston SC
>> >> '87 300TD
>> >> '95 E300
>> >>
>> >> On September 1, 2018 6:32:49 PM EDT, Max Dillon 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> I think the ferrule on my fittings was originally part of the fitting,
>> >>> and the deformed part of the ferrule became the "barbs" that held the
>> >>> hose in place.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'll need either new fittings / custom made hose assembly, or be
>> >>> patient and wait for delivery of the part.
>> >>> --
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>> >>> Charleston SC
>> >>> '87 300TD
>> >>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-03 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
The hose diameter is 1/8".  The banjo end - 10mm?

I see three options, probably going to go with #1:

1) Visit local hydraulic shop Tuesday over my lunch period and see if
they'll make up a new hose while I wait.

2) Order from local dealer, wait one of two days for delivery to dealer and
pick it up there.

3) Order aftermarket of unknown quality from FLAPS, wait one or two days
for pick up in store.

If any FLAPS is open today, I may order a hose just to get the car back on
the road, and then get a better quality hose later from either dealer or
the local hydraulic shop (most likely I'll go to the shop, that option just
seems like more fun).
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 10:07 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Along with Oil Analysis Services, I also sell a few banjo fittings -- I
> need the size to check & see what my supplier has.   I normally sell
> Banjo fittings to be used with Weber Carbs, fuel pumps, pressure control
> kits, etc.  We have both barb or AN fittings.   Our most common AN size
> is -6  
>
> but if the hoses are professionally crimped/assembled better to do as
> suggested.
>
> LarryT
>
>
> On 09/01/2018 8:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> > A good hose shop will have all the right stuff to remove the crimp and
> save
> > the fitting.
> >
> > They will also have the right hose to make up a replacement, and crimp it
> > properly.
> >
> > The crimp sleeve will be cut off and the barbed feral inside the hose
> > saved, undamaged.
> > A new proper sized crimp sleeve will be put on that will hold the
> pressure
> > required...
> >
> > Should be an easy "in and out" job..
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 5:22 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Looks like patience is the answer, Parks doesn't have the banjo fitting.
> >> Now do I special order an aftermarket part or a dealer part, or try Napa
> >> when they open next week.
> >> --
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >> '87 300TD
> >> '95 E300
> >>
> >> On September 1, 2018 6:32:49 PM EDT, Max Dillon 
> >> wrote:
> >>> I think the ferrule on my fittings was originally part of the fitting,
> >>> and the deformed part of the ferrule became the "barbs" that held the
> >>> hose in place.
> >>>
> >>> I'll need either new fittings / custom made hose assembly, or be
> >>> patient and wait for delivery of the part.
> >>> --
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> >>> Charleston SC
> >>> '87 300TD
> >>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-02 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Along with Oil Analysis Services, I also sell a few banjo fittings -- I 
need the size to check & see what my supplier has.   I normally sell 
Banjo fittings to be used with Weber Carbs, fuel pumps, pressure control 
kits, etc.  We have both barb or AN fittings.   Our most common AN size 
is -6  


but if the hoses are professionally crimped/assembled better to do as 
suggested.


LarryT


On 09/01/2018 8:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

A good hose shop will have all the right stuff to remove the crimp and save
the fitting.

They will also have the right hose to make up a replacement, and crimp it
properly.

The crimp sleeve will be cut off and the barbed feral inside the hose
saved, undamaged.
A new proper sized crimp sleeve will be put on that will hold the pressure
required...

Should be an easy "in and out" job..

On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 5:22 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Looks like patience is the answer, Parks doesn't have the banjo fitting.
Now do I special order an aftermarket part or a dealer part, or try Napa
when they open next week.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 1, 2018 6:32:49 PM EDT, Max Dillon 
wrote:

I think the ferrule on my fittings was originally part of the fitting,
and the deformed part of the ferrule became the "barbs" that held the
hose in place.

I'll need either new fittings / custom made hose assembly, or be
patient and wait for delivery of the part.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-01 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> > Max wrote:
> >
> > This is one end of a leaking hydraulic hose for the clutch on
> > our Infiniti I30

> Peter wrote:

> Your local hydraulic shop can crimp a new hose on for you with
> the same type of fitting.

Or put in a suitable banjo to AN (JIC) adapter and build your own
hoses with AN type fittings from a speed shop.

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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-01 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
A good hose shop will have all the right stuff to remove the crimp and save
the fitting.

They will also have the right hose to make up a replacement, and crimp it
properly.

The crimp sleeve will be cut off and the barbed feral inside the hose
saved, undamaged.
A new proper sized crimp sleeve will be put on that will hold the pressure
required...

Should be an easy "in and out" job..

On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 5:22 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Looks like patience is the answer, Parks doesn't have the banjo fitting.
> Now do I special order an aftermarket part or a dealer part, or try Napa
> when they open next week.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On September 1, 2018 6:32:49 PM EDT, Max Dillon 
> wrote:
> >I think the ferrule on my fittings was originally part of the fitting,
> >and the deformed part of the ferrule became the "barbs" that held the
> >hose in place.
> >
> >I'll need either new fittings / custom made hose assembly, or be
> >patient and wait for delivery of the part.
> >--
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> >Charleston SC
> >'87 300TD
> >'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-01 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Looks like patience is the answer, Parks doesn't have the banjo fitting.  Now 
do I special order an aftermarket part or a dealer part, or try Napa when they 
open next week.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 1, 2018 6:32:49 PM EDT, Max Dillon  wrote:
>I think the ferrule on my fittings was originally part of the fitting,
>and the deformed part of the ferrule became the "barbs" that held the
>hose in place.
>
>I'll need either new fittings / custom made hose assembly, or be
>patient and wait for delivery of the part.  
>-- 
>Max Dillon
>Charleston SC
>'87 300TD
>'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-01 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 17:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> It looks like Max's fitting requires a bottomless ferrule which goes
> over the hose and the flange at the back of the fitting, then the
> crimper has to form the end of the ferrule around the flange to keep
> the whole mess from slipping off the pipe.

Bottomless ferrule. I guess someone, somewhere has been doing a lot of
thinking about this kind of thing ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-01 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
I think the ferrule on my fittings was originally part of the fitting, and the 
deformed part of the ferrule became the "barbs" that held the hose in place.

I'll need either new fittings / custom made hose assembly, or be patient and 
wait for delivery of the part.  
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-01 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


> On September 1, 2018 at 5:27 PM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:

> Too bad your fitting's tube is smooth.


It looks like Max's fitting requires a bottomless ferrule which goes over the 
hose and the flange at the back of the fitting, then the crimper has to form 
the end of the ferrule around the flange to keep the whole mess from slipping 
off the pipe. I don't think the guy at the parts store could do that even if he 
wanted to incorporate customer supplied used fittings. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-01 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I have to admit that a car without a clutch can be a bit difficult to drive!

I will hopefully be swapping an axle in the Golf this evening, so I can swap 
mufflers on the TE tomorrow
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-01 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Thanks Craig.

Parks auto parts has a guy whose supposed to start work at 7 this evening, 
apparently he can make a new line if he has the proper fittings.  They won't 
reuse my fittings.  While I wait, I'm going to try to bodge up a fix with new 
line and Oetiker clamps on my old fittings.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 1, 2018 3:14:25 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes  
wrote:
>On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 13:05:59 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>> The longer answer, like Peter's, is to take the fitting to a local
>hose
>> shop (even NAPA does it) and have them crimp on a proper hose with a
>> proper ferrule. I have had that kind of thing done 
>
>Sorry, I hit "Send" instead of the "Draft" button right next to it ...
>
>The last sentence should read,
>
>I have had that kind of thing done for A/C lines on our Peterbilt and
>fuel return lines on our Kenworth.
>
>
>Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-01 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 13:05:59 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The longer answer, like Peter's, is to take the fitting to a local hose
> shop (even NAPA does it) and have them crimp on a proper hose with a
> proper ferrule. I have had that kind of thing done 

Sorry, I hit "Send" instead of the "Draft" button right next to it ...

The last sentence should read,

I have had that kind of thing done for A/C lines on our Peterbilt and
fuel return lines on our Kenworth.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-01 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Thanks Peter, I'm trying to fix this today.  Supposedly the big local auto
parts warehouse has the tools to crimp on a new hose, I'm headed there in a
bit.
-
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Charleston SC


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> Your local hydraulic shop can crimp a new hose on for you with the same
> type of fitting.  Had a fuel line for the TE made that way as the
> replacements failed in a few weeks.  Ditto for AC hoses by the way.
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-01 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 01 Sep 2018 14:07:49 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> This is one end of a leaking hydraulic hose for the clutch on our
> Infiniti I30.  I'm thinking I can cut off the ferrule, install new hose
> cut out of a new brake line, and then crimp on with an Oetiker clamp.

I diddled with the picture you attached in the Gimp to make more details
visible and looked up what an Oetiker clamp is.

The short answer to your question is, "Yes!"

The longer answer, like Peter's, is to take the fitting to a local hose
shop (even NAPA does it) and have them crimp on a proper hose with a
proper ferrule. I have had that kind of thing done 


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Can I reuse this hose fitting?

2018-09-01 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Your local hydraulic shop can crimp a new hose on for you with the same type of 
fitting.  Had a fuel line for the TE made that way as the replacements failed 
in a few weeks.  Ditto for AC hoses by the way.
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