Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton - debates / congress / rant
Won't happen on TV - not enough entertainment value. You mean actual debate? And moderation of that debate? What a concept! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I suspect they would almost be happy with 'only' 500 pages. The worst ones are up to 10,000 or so [IIRC.] Often many parts of it would already be somewhat known from earlier versions of the bill, but slipping in a few pages/provisions here and there on the third or fourth reading of a 1,000 page bill seems to have happened more than once. It is part of the win at any cost political system in congress to take a bill and add a few [dozen, hundred, thousand] unrelated issues to it. I suspect at least a few people who watched the debates see a bit more clearly just how political speak has come to be almost meaningless pandering to the fears or greed of as many separate groups as possible. Imagine what would have happened to the polls if either side had said something about cutting a few dollars out of planned increases in Social Security benefits for higher income folks? Political suicide, though it makes sense. Pardon my reference here but it is the one that jumps out at me from last night: [my rough leaky memory at work here] ...if we have Bin Laden in our sights and Pakistan is unable or unwilling to do it then we should take him out... becomes he wants to attack Pakistan, and I am sure similar and probably as egregious exaggerations/deceptions were made the other way. While I am on my rant I'll jump on the media a bit here also. They continue to want specific plans on developing issues, which they would then use to bash either candidate if it did not immediately or later [when the situation has changed] address every issue. A business that thrives on sensationalism should not be surprised when people try to avoid becoming targets and attempt to paint red circles on the other side. My limited experience of being called as a source was that the reporters had already decided on the story they were going to write and only wanted to pick out a small quote that could be made to fit what they had decided to say. Enough already. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton you wrote the complexity of the myriad of issues It'd be nice to expect those voting to not only vote but actually read and comprehend the legislation they're voting on! I know, impossible to do - given the low IQ of many of them (based on what I see and hear) ;-) - but when they receive a bill of say 500 pages and must debate and vote on it the following day, it;d be nice if they knew what was in it! After all, these things are important - they affect peoples lives - I often wonder if they realize that. Especially the Pork! There's got to be a way to stop that. I wonder how much of the $700B went Oink when squeezed? Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton The downside to continuous turnover of congress is that it almost makes the congressional staffers even more important than the elected officials. Those folks tend to stay around for the next guy, and are the ones who are familiar with how things work and have been forced to study issues - even if with a slant - over the years. I don't know, but I would certainly expect lobbyists to spend a lot of effort 'cultivating' them also. When I was doing fundraising one of people I always wanted to have like me was the secretary. That helped a lot getting calls/messages through. Much larger scale with congress, but I would think the same principles apply. When you think of the complexity of the myriad of issues a new member of congress is supposed to know and make votes on a LOT of power is in the hands of the aide who actually reads and interprets the paperwork to the member on any issue. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:35 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton The thing that really needs to change is the seniority system in the Congress and Senate. People continue to reelect crooks because they don't want to lose clout by sending a rookie to DC. Seniority practically guarantees more business as usual. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 21:31 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton Amen! NEVER vote for the incumbent! On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Politicians are great at kicking the can down the road. Would be a grand idea to kick
Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton - debates / congress / rant
Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While I am on my rant I'll jump on the media a bit here also. They continue to want specific plans on developing issues, which they would then use to bash either candidate if it did not immediately or later [when the situation has changed] address every issue. I wholeheartedly agree. These debates are simply staged media events. The moderators are either asking trivial-pursuit type questions in some kind of gotcha game, or tossing easily predictable questions that get just as easily predictable answers. Or, they'll start with a premise and then ask the candidate to take a position on one side or the other, and if they try to disagree with the premise of the question itself they get accused of dodging questions. I don't think these debates represent ANY situation a candidate will actually face in office, except maybe a press conference. A debate format I'd like to see would be sort of an open-ended back and forth, e.g. there is a topic, say The cause and best solution for the current financial crisis, give the first guy five or ten minutes to talk, then let the other guy rebut, and go back and forth for maybe an hour on that topic. The moderator would intervene only if the discussion veered wildly off topic, and to enforce equal time for rebuttals. THEN we'd see who can actually think on his feet, how he challenges an opponent's statements, and how the opponent handles being challenged, rather than just getting 60 seconds of rehearsed talking points. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Brokaw was a total grinch when he prevented Obama from following up to rebut McLain's numerous distortions, which could have led to some lively and revealing give and take between the two candidates. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While I am on my rant I'll jump on the media a bit here also. They continue to want specific plans on developing issues, which they would then use to bash either candidate if it did not immediately or later [when the situation has changed] address every issue. I wholeheartedly agree. These debates are simply staged media events. The moderators are either asking trivial-pursuit type questions in some kind of gotcha game, or tossing easily predictable questions that get just as easily predictable answers. Or, they'll start with a premise and then ask the candidate to take a position on one side or the other, and if they try to disagree with the premise of the question itself they get accused of dodging questions. I don't think these debates represent ANY situation a candidate will actually face in office, except maybe a press conference. A debate format I'd like to see would be sort of an open-ended back and forth, e.g. there is a topic, say The cause and best solution for the current financial crisis, give the first guy five or ten minutes to talk, then let the other guy rebut, and go back and forth for maybe an hour on that topic. The moderator would intervene only if the discussion veered wildly off topic, and to enforce equal time for rebuttals. THEN we'd see who can actually think on his feet, how he challenges an opponent's statements, and how the opponent handles being challenged, rather than just getting 60 seconds of rehearsed talking points. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You have my vote. Think the debate commission [?] will buy it? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton - debates / congress / rant Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While I am on my rant I'll jump on the media a bit here also. They continue to want specific plans on developing issues, which they would then use to bash either candidate if it did not immediately or later [when the situation has changed] address every issue. I wholeheartedly agree. These debates are simply staged media events. The moderators are either asking trivial-pursuit type questions in some kind of gotcha game, or tossing easily predictable questions that get just as easily predictable answers. Or, they'll start with a premise and then ask the candidate to take a position on one side or the other, and if they try to disagree with the premise of the question itself they get accused of dodging questions. I don't think these debates represent ANY situation a candidate will actually face in office, except maybe a press conference. A debate format I'd like to see would be sort of an open-ended back and forth, e.g. there is a topic, say The cause and best solution for the current financial crisis, give the first guy five or ten minutes to talk, then let the other guy rebut, and go back and forth for maybe an hour on that topic. The moderator would intervene only if the discussion veered wildly off topic, and to enforce equal time for rebuttals. THEN we'd see who can actually think on his feet, how he challenges an opponent's statements, and how the opponent handles being challenged, rather than just getting 60 seconds of rehearsed talking points. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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andrew strasfogel wrote: Brokaw was a total grinch when he prevented Obama from following up to rebut McLain's numerous distortions, which could have led to some lively and revealing give and take between the two candidates. I didn't see much of the debate, but I saw that. Imagine the nerve of that guy, sticking to the rules that the Osama campaign agreed to beforehand when Osama wanted to change the rules in mid-debate. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A debate format I'd like to see would be sort of an open-ended back and forth, e.g. there is a topic, say The cause and best solution for the current financial crisis, give the first guy five or ten minutes to talk, then let the other guy rebut, and go back and forth for maybe an hour on that topic. The moderator would intervene only if the discussion veered wildly off topic, and to enforce equal time for rebuttals. You mean actual debate? And moderation of that debate? What a concept! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Moneymaker only for fat cats in the shoes of the likes of Franklin Raines and his ilk. Are you in like for some of it Andrew? Oh, and it WON'T be 700BILLION Maybe 1,400 BILLION for starters. On the backs of small business and working stiffs, so the fat cats like Dodd and Bama get fatter! There is a reason why 93% of the public was AGAINST IT! You can't even get 93% of the public to agree the sun rises in the East! At 10:21 PM 10/6/2008, you wrote: But then again, the $700 BB could prove to be a moneymaker. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever. They are currently enjoying $700B of it right now. More to follow. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 22:46 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton Or, it could mean that the voters approve of the representation they currently enjoy. You are assuming here that everyone in the Legislature is a crook. I find no data to support the opinion that everyone serving in the Legislative Branch is corrupt. It does, however, read as a good generalization and lemmings will be happy to sign on to the concept. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People continue to reelect crooks because they don't want to lose clout by sending a rookie to DC. Seniority practically guarantees more business as usual. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Loren Faeth wrote: Maybe 1,400 BILLION for starters. On the backs of small business and working stiffs, so the fat cats like Dodd and Bama get fatter! Those sheep who were bleating for the government to make their IRAs and 401ks go up deserved what they got. Unfortunately, the rest of us got the same thing. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Loren Faeth wrote: There are at least 263 representatives who need to be replaced, based on HR 1424 alone. Those representitives spit in the face of their constituents. Many of them claimed that their phone calls became more positive (less against?) after the 9-29 market dump. Which, btw, never hit -700 on the dow during trading hours, and closed more like -500, but the official close was -777 points. I don't know if everybody who was against had already called in before Monday's vote, or if the calls changing from 200:1 against to 20:1 against would be considered a mandate to vote Aye. I suspect that 400 pages of crap were added to the bill to buy the needed votes, and any other reason given for changing their votes is just a made-up excuse. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich Thomas wrote: You forgot to add Bwawney Fwank into that mix -- he was pretty deep into Fannie too. And Larry Craig, Mark Foley... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Many of them claimed that their phone calls became more positive (less against?) after the 9-29 market dump. Heh. Wonder how they feel after yesterday's close? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dirty Harry Reed, Pancy Nelosi The list is extensive: 263 in all, just in the house. Then there are the senators, then there are all the past and present suits at Fannie and Freddie. Pretty close to 400 that should be hung out to dry. At 08:27 AM 10/7/2008, you wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: You forgot to add Bwawney Fwank into that mix -- he was pretty deep into Fannie too. And Larry Craig, Mark Foley... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No. In fact, I am willing to wager that my portfolio has declined more than yours, Loren. I have the gift for picking stocks that do very poorly in times of crisis. My $700 BB profit remark was merely an indication that I am an eternal optimist... On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Moneymaker only for fat cats in the shoes of the likes of Franklin Raines and his ilk. Are you in like for some of it Andrew? Oh, and it WON'T be 700BILLION Maybe 1,400 BILLION for starters. On the backs of small business and working stiffs, so the fat cats like Dodd and Bama get fatter! There is a reason why 93% of the public was AGAINST IT! You can't even get 93% of the public to agree the sun rises in the East! At 10:21 PM 10/6/2008, you wrote: But then again, the $700 BB could prove to be a moneymaker. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever. They are currently enjoying $700B of it right now. More to follow. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 22:46 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton Or, it could mean that the voters approve of the representation they currently enjoy. You are assuming here that everyone in the Legislature is a crook. I find no data to support the opinion that everyone serving in the Legislative Branch is corrupt. It does, however, read as a good generalization and lemmings will be happy to sign on to the concept. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People continue to reelect crooks because they don't want to lose clout by sending a rookie to DC. Seniority practically guarantees more business as usual. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Loren Faeth wrote: Dirty Harry Reed, Pancy Nelosi I was just talking about the ones that were 'deep into fannies'. Nancy doesn't even have a penis. Maybe I should have posted that to 'banned'. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I thought ACORN spelled backwards was o'bama Lets HOPE there is a change away from the ACORN/financial disaster/dollar meltdown/depression jeramiah wright/o'bama crew At 09:06 AM 10/7/2008, you wrote: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZjRjYzE0YmQxNzU4MDJjYWE5MjIzMTMxMmNhZWQ1MTA=w=MQ== ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You forgot to add Bwawney Fwank into that mix -- he was pretty deep into Fannie too. --R Loren Faeth wrote: Moneymaker only for fat cats in the shoes of the likes of Franklin Raines and his ilk. Are you in like for some of it Andrew? Oh, and it WON'T be 700BILLION Maybe 1,400 BILLION for starters. On the backs of small business and working stiffs, so the fat cats like Dodd and Bama get fatter! There is a reason why 93% of the public was AGAINST IT! You can't even get 93% of the public to agree the sun rises in the East! At 10:21 PM 10/6/2008, you wrote: But then again, the $700 BB could prove to be a moneymaker. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever. They are currently enjoying $700B of it right now. More to follow. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 22:46 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton Or, it could mean that the voters approve of the representation they currently enjoy. You are assuming here that everyone in the Legislature is a crook. I find no data to support the opinion that everyone serving in the Legislative Branch is corrupt. It does, however, read as a good generalization and lemmings will be happy to sign on to the concept. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People continue to reelect crooks because they don't want to lose clout by sending a rookie to DC. Seniority practically guarantees more business as usual. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The downside to continuous turnover of congress is that it almost makes the congressional staffers even more important than the elected officials. Those folks tend to stay around for the next guy, and are the ones who are familiar with how things work and have been forced to study issues - even if with a slant - over the years. I don't know, but I would certainly expect lobbyists to spend a lot of effort 'cultivating' them also. When I was doing fundraising one of people I always wanted to have like me was the secretary. That helped a lot getting calls/messages through. Much larger scale with congress, but I would think the same principles apply. When you think of the complexity of the myriad of issues a new member of congress is supposed to know and make votes on a LOT of power is in the hands of the aide who actually reads and interprets the paperwork to the member on any issue. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:35 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton The thing that really needs to change is the seniority system in the Congress and Senate. People continue to reelect crooks because they don't want to lose clout by sending a rookie to DC. Seniority practically guarantees more business as usual. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 21:31 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton Amen! NEVER vote for the incumbent! On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Politicians are great at kicking the can down the road. Would be a grand idea to kick them all down the road, get a whole new crowd to mess things up in new and inventive ways. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There are at least 263 representatives who need to be replaced, based on HR 1424 alone. Those representitives spit in the face of their constituents. At 09:46 PM 10/6/2008, you wrote: Or, it could mean that the voters approve of the representation they currently enjoy. You are assuming here that everyone in the Legislature is a crook. I find no data to support the opinion that everyone serving in the Legislative Branch is corrupt. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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you wrote the complexity of the myriad of issues It'd be nice to expect those voting to not only vote but actually read and comprehend the legislation they're voting on! I know, impossible to do - given the low IQ of many of them (based on what I see and hear) ;-) - but when they receive a bill of say 500 pages and must debate and vote on it the following day, it;d be nice if they knew what was in it! After all, these things are important - they affect peoples lives - I often wonder if they realize that. Especially the Pork! There's got to be a way to stop that. I wonder how much of the $700B went Oink when squeezed? Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton The downside to continuous turnover of congress is that it almost makes the congressional staffers even more important than the elected officials. Those folks tend to stay around for the next guy, and are the ones who are familiar with how things work and have been forced to study issues - even if with a slant - over the years. I don't know, but I would certainly expect lobbyists to spend a lot of effort 'cultivating' them also. When I was doing fundraising one of people I always wanted to have like me was the secretary. That helped a lot getting calls/messages through. Much larger scale with congress, but I would think the same principles apply. When you think of the complexity of the myriad of issues a new member of congress is supposed to know and make votes on a LOT of power is in the hands of the aide who actually reads and interprets the paperwork to the member on any issue. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:35 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton The thing that really needs to change is the seniority system in the Congress and Senate. People continue to reelect crooks because they don't want to lose clout by sending a rookie to DC. Seniority practically guarantees more business as usual. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 21:31 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton Amen! NEVER vote for the incumbent! On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Politicians are great at kicking the can down the road. Would be a grand idea to kick them all down the road, get a whole new crowd to mess things up in new and inventive ways. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LarryT wrote: Especially the Pork! There's got to be a way to stop that. I wonder how much of the $700B went Oink when squeezed? The 700B was for Paulson. The oinkers were additional. I found an analysis on the bill by GAO or CBO, but they broke out the costs item by item and did not give a total, and I was too lazy to add it up myself. (there were a lot of items) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Only a trillion or two went oink! At 11:00 AM 10/7/2008, you wrote: Especially the Pork! There's got to be a way to stop that. I wonder how much of the $700B went Oink when squeezed? Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, but to be blunt, Barney Frank is said to have had a boy friend at Fannie in the 90's, so the deep into point may be applicable! On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:09 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: I was just talking about the ones that were 'deep into fannies'. Nancy doesn't even have a penis. Maybe I should have posted that to 'banned'. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And the $700B does NOT include administrative costs which could run a few more $B's and not necessarily be tracked or accountable!!! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:22 AM, Loren Faeth wrote: Only a trillion or two went oink! At 11:00 AM 10/7/2008, you wrote: Especially the Pork! There's got to be a way to stop that. I wonder how much of the $700B went Oink when squeezed? Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bwawney was married to one Herb Moses after his boyfriend who was running the callboy ring out of his apartment split. Herb had been in some sort of retail businesses, running stores or something, Bwawney got him a $100k+ job doing something with Fannie (n.b., the company) that he had absolutely no knowledge, experience, or capabilities for performing. He stayed awhile, now back to the retail business of some sort, and he and Bwawney are divorced or split up or whatever they did. Musta been after the 90s? So, I won't say on the open list that they both have plenty of experience doing to the country... --R Chuck Landenberger wrote: Yeah, but to be blunt, Barney Frank is said to have had a boy friend at Fannie in the 90's, so the deep into point may be applicable! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I heard the bailout referred to as the terabuck today --- On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moneymaker only for fat cats in the shoes of the likes of Franklin Raines and his ilk. Are you in like for some of it Andrew? Oh, and it WON'T be 700BILLION Maybe 1,400 BILLION for starters. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Your better off starting with the '78 Congress. -Rolf Luther wrote: Notice the date of this article http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260sec=spon=partner=permalinkexprod=permalink Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wonderful. This crap is tied to the year of my birth? That sucks Luther Rolf wrote: Your better off starting with the '78 Congress. -Rolf Luther wrote: Notice the date of this article http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260sec=spon=partner=permalinkexprod=permalink Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's a great idea in theory. As with capitalism and communism, ideas are great in theory. In reality greed and corruption changes everything. Easing requirements to first time buyers is great. I got my house under it. The problem lies when mortgages are created that the person has no hope in paying. I got a cheap enough house so that I can pay the mortgage even on unemployment. A home is what you make of it, a house is just sticks and stones. Both buyers and lenders should have been held accountable. There is no doubt in my mind that we are quickly headed to the bottom of a recession and possibly a depression. -Rolf Luther wrote: Wonderful. This crap is tied to the year of my birth? That sucks Luther Rolf wrote: Your better off starting with the '78 Congress. -Rolf Luther wrote: Notice the date of this article http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260sec=spon=partner=permalinkexprod=permalink Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rolf wrote: There is no doubt in my mind that we are quickly headed to the bottom of a recession and possibly a depression. We were headed that way a week ago. Now instead of being a year or two away, the bottom has been pushed farther into the future, and the recovery from that bottom will be far slower too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Politicians are great at kicking the can down the road. Would be a grand idea to kick them all down the road, get a whole new crowd to mess things up in new and inventive ways. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Rolf wrote: There is no doubt in my mind that we are quickly headed to the bottom of a recession and possibly a depression. We were headed that way a week ago. Now instead of being a year or two away, the bottom has been pushed farther into the future, and the recovery from that bottom will be far slower too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Then again : http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssFinancialServicesAndRealEstateNews/idUSN0639153920081006 Thats a very good sign or wishful thinking. -Rolf Rich Thomas wrote: Politicians are great at kicking the can down the road. Would be a grand idea to kick them all down the road, get a whole new crowd to mess things up in new and inventive ways. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Rolf wrote: There is no doubt in my mind that we are quickly headed to the bottom of a recession and possibly a depression. We were headed that way a week ago. Now instead of being a year or two away, the bottom has been pushed farther into the future, and the recovery from that bottom will be far slower too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Amen! NEVER vote for the incumbent! On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Politicians are great at kicking the can down the road. Would be a grand idea to kick them all down the road, get a whole new crowd to mess things up in new and inventive ways. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The thing that really needs to change is the seniority system in the Congress and Senate. People continue to reelect crooks because they don't want to lose clout by sending a rookie to DC. Seniority practically guarantees more business as usual. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 21:31 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton Amen! NEVER vote for the incumbent! On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Politicians are great at kicking the can down the road. Would be a grand idea to kick them all down the road, get a whole new crowd to mess things up in new and inventive ways. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or, it could mean that the voters approve of the representation they currently enjoy. You are assuming here that everyone in the Legislature is a crook. I find no data to support the opinion that everyone serving in the Legislative Branch is corrupt. It does, however, read as a good generalization and lemmings will be happy to sign on to the concept. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People continue to reelect crooks because they don't want to lose clout by sending a rookie to DC. Seniority practically guarantees more business as usual. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Whatever. They are currently enjoying $700B of it right now. More to follow. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 22:46 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton Or, it could mean that the voters approve of the representation they currently enjoy. You are assuming here that everyone in the Legislature is a crook. I find no data to support the opinion that everyone serving in the Legislative Branch is corrupt. It does, however, read as a good generalization and lemmings will be happy to sign on to the concept. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People continue to reelect crooks because they don't want to lose clout by sending a rookie to DC. Seniority practically guarantees more business as usual. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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But then again, the $700 BB could prove to be a moneymaker. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever. They are currently enjoying $700B of it right now. More to follow. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 22:46 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton Or, it could mean that the voters approve of the representation they currently enjoy. You are assuming here that everyone in the Legislature is a crook. I find no data to support the opinion that everyone serving in the Legislative Branch is corrupt. It does, however, read as a good generalization and lemmings will be happy to sign on to the concept. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People continue to reelect crooks because they don't want to lose clout by sending a rookie to DC. Seniority practically guarantees more business as usual. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But then again, the $700 BB could prove to be a moneymaker. Since the market is below 10,000 for the first time since 2004, it doesn't look like the $700 BB is inspiring much confidence. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
