Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

2016-07-09 Thread clay via Mercedes 
Last tank of Costco gas was $2.67.gal for 92 octane.  That was $0.20 more than 
87 octane.  Local gas stations are selling at $0.10 steps, unless they are 
close to the freeway, then it goes to $0.15 steps and about $0.90 or more per 
gallon than less desperation location options

clay


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> 
>> On July 9, 2016 at 3:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I stick with Top Tier fuels in my cars, typically Costco. Their fuel prices 
>> are competitive, especially since a lot of stations jack the price of 
>> premium to stupid amounts over regular unleaded.
>> 
> 
> Ok, how much does everybody pay for premium?
> 
> 10 years ago, every station around me charged 10 cents a grade, so 93 octane 
> cost 20 cents more than 87 octane. 
> 
> Then it was 15 cents, then 20 cents, and last year it went to 25 cents and 
> stayed there. 
> 
> So now, I can get a gallon of regular for 2.109, 89 or 90 octane for 2.359, 
> or 93 octane for 2.609, except the Shell station wants 2.139 for regular and 
> 2.7xx for premium. 
> 
> 
> 
> Does everybody have to pay 50 cents more than regular for premium?
> 
> 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

2016-07-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
Reminds me I need to fill the pickup. $2.14 I saw this morning...
Curt

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  On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 3:41 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via 
Mercedes wrote:   I paid $2.7x at Kum 'n Go last week, 
just before gas prices dropped 20c/gal
locally (dammit).

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> On July 9, 2016 at 3:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> I stick with Top Tier fuels in my cars, typically Costco. Their fuel
> prices are competitive, especially since a lot of stations jack the price
> of premium to stupid amounts over regular unleaded.
>
>
> Ok, how much does everybody pay for premium?
>
> 10 years ago, every station around me charged 10 cents a grade, so 93
> octane cost 20 cents more than 87 octane.
>
> Then it was 15 cents, then 20 cents, and last year it went to 25 cents and
> stayed there.
>
> So now, I can get a gallon of regular for 2.109, 89 or 90 octane for
> 2.359, or 93 octane for 2.609, except the Shell station wants 2.139 for
> regular and 2.7xx for premium.
>
>
> Does everybody have to pay 50 cents more than regular for premium?
>
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

2016-07-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
Mobil seems to be the worst around here with a $0.60 spread between regular and 
premium. They actually change it at times to as much as $0.90. I have no idea 
what the motivation or reason is behind the change.

Dan

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> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On July 9, 2016 at 3:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I stick with Top Tier fuels in my cars, typically Costco. Their fuel prices 
>> are competitive, especially since a lot of stations jack the price of 
>> premium to stupid amounts over regular unleaded.
>> 
> 
> Ok, how much does everybody pay for premium?
> 
> 10 years ago, every station around me charged 10 cents a grade, so 93 octane 
> cost 20 cents more than 87 octane. 
> 
> Then it was 15 cents, then 20 cents, and last year it went to 25 cents and 
> stayed there. 
> 
> So now, I can get a gallon of regular for 2.109, 89 or 90 octane for 2.359, 
> or 93 octane for 2.609, except the Shell station wants 2.139 for regular and 
> 2.7xx for premium. 
> 
> 
> 
> Does everybody have to pay 50 cents more than regular for premium?
> 
> 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

2016-07-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
I paid $2.7x at Kum 'n Go last week, just before gas prices dropped 20c/gal
locally (dammit).

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> On July 9, 2016 at 3:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> I stick with Top Tier fuels in my cars, typically Costco. Their fuel
> prices are competitive, especially since a lot of stations jack the price
> of premium to stupid amounts over regular unleaded.
>
>
> Ok, how much does everybody pay for premium?
>
> 10 years ago, every station around me charged 10 cents a grade, so 93
> octane cost 20 cents more than 87 octane.
>
> Then it was 15 cents, then 20 cents, and last year it went to 25 cents and
> stayed there.
>
> So now, I can get a gallon of regular for 2.109, 89 or 90 octane for
> 2.359, or 93 octane for 2.609, except the Shell station wants 2.139 for
> regular and 2.7xx for premium.
>
>
> Does everybody have to pay 50 cents more than regular for premium?
>
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

2016-07-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes 

On July 9, 2016 at 3:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:I stick with Top Tier fuels in my cars, typically Costco. Their fuel prices are competitive, especially since a lot of stations jack the price of premium to stupid amounts over regular unleaded.Ok, how much does everybody pay for premium?10 years ago, every station around me charged 10 cents a grade, so 93 octane cost 20 cents more than 87 octane. Then it was 15 cents, then 20 cents, and last year it went to 25 cents and stayed there. So now, I can get a gallon of regular for 2.109, 89 or 90 octane for 2.359, or 93 octane for 2.609, except the Shell station wants 2.139 for regular and 2.7xx for premium. Does everybody have to pay 50 cents more than regular for premium?Mitch.
 

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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

2016-07-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
Mercedes and other major manufacturers recommend "Top Tier" fuels, which are 
marketed and sold by a number of fuel suppliers like Shell, BP and Costco.

http://www.toptiergas.com

>From what I can determine, the primary difference between "regular" fuels and 
>Top Tier fuels is the additive package. I know at our local fuel terminals, 
>pretty much all the fuels that come in are from the same supplier. You can see 
>the loaders putting additives in the tanker trucks at the terminals, so I have 
>to believe there is some credence to your article.

I stick with Top Tier fuels in my cars, typically Costco. Their fuel prices are 
competitive, especially since a lot of stations jack the price of premium to 
stupid amounts over regular unleaded.

Dan

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> On Jul 9, 2016, at 2:25 PM, jerryh--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> In an article from the June, 2016 issue of "The Family Handyman",  entitled 
> "10 Things You Should Know About Gasoline", author /"expert" Fred Walas, 
> fuels technology manager for Marathon Petroleum Company, a 34 year veteran in 
> the refinery business, whose current job includes work with the EPA, other 
> oil companies, and automobile manufacturers developing new fuel standards, 
> posits question number four:" Is a major-brand gas better then a lesser known 
> brand?" (I do believe that is the longest sentence I have ever typed). 
> 
> His answer is that  20 years ago, there was a difference between gas from the 
> majors and "cheap " gas from no-name stations. He claims that today the 
> biggest difference between gasoline brands is the type of fuel cleaning 
> additives used. He goes on to say that that the EPA mandates a minimal level 
> of fuel system cleaning additives and all gasoline sold in the U.S. must meet 
> those levels.
> 
> Although he does not specifically answer the posited question, the 
> implication is that there is no substantial difference between the majors and 
> off brands.
> 
> Now comes an article in "CNN Money" stating that AAA  claims  that "cheap 
> off-brand gasoline is bad for engines"  
> 
> http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/08/autos/aaa-cheap-gasoline/index.html?iid=ob_homepage_NewsAndBuzz_pool
> 
> At the risk of starting a "gas war", I'd like to hear from our M-B  
> community. Looking forward to lots of comments.
> 
> Jerry 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

2016-07-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes 

On July 9, 2016 at 2:43 PM "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"  wrote:Do "off brand" gas stations even exist anymore? In my neck of the woods,pretty much all stations around here are with one chain or another, whetherit be Shell, Valero, Conoco, Kum n Go, Casey's, Murphy's, Wal-Mart... Andgas delivery trucks might stop at a Valero, then go top off the Kum N Godown the street!The gas might be all the same, but the additives are different, dispensed by the truck as it delivers to the underground tank at the station. The Speedway station might get 100ppm of Marathon's detergent, and Marathon might get 200ppm, while the Shell station gets 150ppm of something entirely different. Mitch. 
 

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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

2016-07-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
Do "off brand" gas stations even exist anymore?  In my neck of the woods,
pretty much all stations around here are with one chain or another, whether
it be Shell, Valero, Conoco, Kum n Go, Casey's, Murphy's, Wal-Mart...  And
gas delivery trucks might stop at a Valero, then go top off the Kum N Go
down the street!

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 1:25 PM, jerryh--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In an article from the June, 2016 issue of "The Family Handyman",
> entitled "10 Things You Should Know About Gasoline", author /"expert" Fred
> Walas, fuels technology manager for Marathon Petroleum Company, a 34 year
> veteran in the refinery business, whose current job includes work with the
> EPA, other oil companies, and automobile manufacturers developing new fuel
> standards, posits question number four:" Is a major-brand gas better then a
> lesser known brand?" (I do believe that is the longest sentence I have ever
> typed).
>
> His answer is that  20 years ago, there was a difference between gas from
> the majors and "cheap " gas from no-name stations. He claims that today the
> biggest difference between gasoline brands is the type of fuel cleaning
> additives used. He goes on to say that that the EPA mandates a minimal
> level of fuel system cleaning additives and all gasoline sold in the U.S.
> must meet those levels.
>
> Although he does not specifically answer the posited question, the
> implication is that there is no substantial difference between the majors
> and off brands.
>
> Now comes an article in "CNN Money" stating that AAA  claims  that "cheap
> off-brand gasoline is bad for engines"
>
>
> http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/08/autos/aaa-cheap-gasoline/index.html?iid=ob_homepage_NewsAndBuzz_pool
>
> At the risk of starting a "gas war", I'd like to hear from our M-B
> community. Looking forward to lots of comments.
>
> Jerry
>
> 1982 240D
>
> other gasoline powered cars
>
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