Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston
yeah, yeah, I know... It is another Wheaton in Norton, MA. Goofy looking place that really needs an update. Only 650 kids attending. clay On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:48:52 -0700 Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Lots of the small colleges are running at $50k. Amherst, Holy Cross, Tufts, Bowdion, Colby, middlebury, Providence, Brown, Renselear, Wheaton, As in Wheaton, Illinois? Or some other place? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston
Ages ago I did my time all cash. With SWMBA getting through law school, twenty years ago, ended up with $18k in loans and the rest was cash. Tuition at that time was $14k/yr clay On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:55 AM, LWB250 wrote: I had direct knowledge of the forgiveness program for teachers, and I can tell you that it sucks. You have to work 5 continuous years in a particular area of teaching, such as science or special ed., and when it's all said and done you get a $17,000 credit against your loans. If you fail to work continuously in the area(s) that qualify you for forgiveness, the clock starts over. What I took exception to is when I was finishing up my education degree the college and school systems pitched this really hard, which I think is an ethical issue, as the odds are against you in my opinion. Dangling a carrot like this in front of a bunch of tapped out 4th year college students with +$40k loans hanging over their heads is just wrong, IMHO. In my cohort of 15 people, I only know of two who are even close to qualifying for this. And they both still have 3 years to go to qualify. I am pleased that Sallie Mae closed the loophole that allowed people to default on student loans, however. Too many doctors and lawyers (present company excepted, of course) bailed on the system and left us taxpayers to settle their debts. Dan (with a fairly good sized Stafford loan that should be paid off around the time I retire. --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:07 AM Wonko wrote: $50K? I sure hope that was Harvard. You can get a private, tight teacher/student ratio small university in Iowa for only $35K, with lots of financial assistance. I had $92,000 in student loans once I finished law school and took the bar exam. Most of that was for Law school, but about $30,000 of it was from undergrad. AND this is with fairly significant scholarships in law school. The cost of education (especially any kind of graduate school) is getting out of control. Back in 2000, I was accepted to the University of Michigan Law School (one of the best in the country). After scholarships, the cost of Tuition was going to exceed $15,000 per year (regular rate back then was $30K per year). In grad school a student can only borrow $18,500 per year. So, I would have to borrow that much just to cover tuition and have nothing to live on. Needless to say, I didn't go to Michigan for law school. My student loan payment is about $750 a month (and that is consolidated at 1.9% interest on the extended plan). I have friends who went to medical school who have $200,000 in student loans. Even the new public service program for forgiveness of student loan debts requires years and years of payments. I don't have an answer, but I know it's a problem. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/d67566b9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:24:34 -0700 Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: yeah, yeah, I know... It is another Wheaton in Norton, MA. Goofy looking place that really needs an update. Only 650 kids attending. I looked on their webpage. Though there are not too many pictures readily available, it doesn't look too goofy. The proposed science center does look out of character with the rest of the campus, though. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Campus is a mash up of a few older buildings that span all periods of the schools history. Sad thing is that most of them have not been updated past that worn out 1971 high school remodel. clay On Aug 29, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:24:34 -0700 Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: yeah, yeah, I know... It is another Wheaton in Norton, MA. Goofy looking place that really needs an update. Only 650 kids attending. I looked on their webpage. Though there are not too many pictures readily available, it doesn't look too goofy. The proposed science center does look out of character with the rest of the campus, though. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:04:09 -0700 Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Campus is a mash up of a few older buildings that span all periods of the schools history. Sad thing is that most of them have not been updated past that worn out 1971 high school remodel. Ah ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Is it really that small? It is a goofy place though. I dated (for a short time) a girl that was going there. She was very odd but one of her friends could suck the proverbial golf ball through 50 feet of garden hose... -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:24:34 -0700 From: Redghost redgh...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: c58491f0-77ad-4836-a7e8-405901d00...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes yeah, yeah, I know... It is another Wheaton in Norton, MA. Goofy looking place that really needs an update. Only 650 kids attending. clay On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:48:52 -0700 Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Lots of the small colleges are running at $50k. Amherst, Holy Cross, Tufts, Bowdion, Colby, middlebury, Providence, Brown, Renselear, Wheaton, As in Wheaton, Illinois? Or some other place? Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090829/72852c8c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: She was very odd but one of her friends could suck the proverbial golf ball through 50 feet of garden hose... You leave us with questions. How would you know this bit about her? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wonko wrote: $50K? I sure hope that was Harvard. You can get a private, tight teacher/student ratio small university in Iowa for only $35K, with lots of financial assistance. I had $92,000 in student loans once I finished law school and took the bar exam. Most of that was for Law school, but about $30,000 of it was from undergrad. AND this is with fairly significant scholarships in law school. The cost of education (especially any kind of graduate school) is getting out of control. Back in 2000, I was accepted to the University of Michigan Law School (one of the best in the country). After scholarships, the cost of Tuition was going to exceed $15,000 per year (regular rate back then was $30K per year). In grad school a student can only borrow $18,500 per year. So, I would have to borrow that much just to cover tuition and have nothing to live on. Needless to say, I didn't go to Michigan for law school. My student loan payment is about $750 a month (and that is consolidated at 1.9% interest on the extended plan). I have friends who went to medical school who have $200,000 in student loans. Even the new public service program for forgiveness of student loan debts requires years and years of payments. I don't have an answer, but I know it's a problem. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/d67566b9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Our Grand Daughter attend a Magnet High School. I was amazed at the intensity of their program. She is in the 2nd year at a Community College which is literally across the street from her home. Hopefully, her 3.97 average will help with graduate costs. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:49:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston Hi Donald - We lived near Princeton in the early 80s and our next door neighbors were a couple of professors who taught there. We had dinner with them one evening and started talking about the university and costs - they said it was around $18k-$20k per year. That was nearly 30 years ago! I shudder to think what it is today you wrote out of hand - yep, no argument there - obama could help the US by promoting the community college system and building them up (to reduce their trailer park image they do not deserve) and to help them reduce cost/fees. I was going to take a welding class (4 credit hours) there but it was over $92 per credit. A little too rich for me at the moment. ;-) I just wanted to learn how to weld properly, not get a degree! LarryT 91 300D . OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net . - Original Message - From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston Wonko wrote: $50K? I sure hope that was Harvard. You can get a private, tight teacher/student ratio small university in Iowa for only $35K, with lots of financial assistance. I had $92,000 in student loans once I finished law school and took the bar exam. Most of that was for Law school, but about $30,000 of it was from undergrad. AND this is with fairly significant scholarships in law school. The cost of education (especially any kind of graduate school) is getting out of control. Back in 2000, I was accepted to the University of Michigan Law School (one of the best in the country). After scholarships, the cost of Tuition was going to exceed $15,000 per year (regular rate back then was $30K per year). In grad school a student can only borrow $18,500 per year. So, I would have to borrow that much just to cover tuition and have nothing to live on. Needless to say, I didn't go to Michigan for law school. My student loan payment is about $750 a month (and that is consolidated at 1.9% interest on the extended plan). I have friends who went to medical school who have $200,000 in student loans. Even the new public service program for forgiveness of student loan debts requires years and years of payments. I don't have an answer, but I know it's a problem. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/d67566b9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/c795fd4d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had direct knowledge of the forgiveness program for teachers, and I can tell you that it sucks. You have to work 5 continuous years in a particular area of teaching, such as science or special ed., and when it's all said and done you get a $17,000 credit against your loans. If you fail to work continuously in the area(s) that qualify you for forgiveness, the clock starts over. What I took exception to is when I was finishing up my education degree the college and school systems pitched this really hard, which I think is an ethical issue, as the odds are against you in my opinion. Dangling a carrot like this in front of a bunch of tapped out 4th year college students with +$40k loans hanging over their heads is just wrong, IMHO. In my cohort of 15 people, I only know of two who are even close to qualifying for this. And they both still have 3 years to go to qualify. I am pleased that Sallie Mae closed the loophole that allowed people to default on student loans, however. Too many doctors and lawyers (present company excepted, of course) bailed on the system and left us taxpayers to settle their debts. Dan (with a fairly good sized Stafford loan that should be paid off around the time I retire. --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:07 AM Wonko wrote: $50K? I sure hope that was Harvard. You can get a private, tight teacher/student ratio small university in Iowa for only $35K, with lots of financial assistance. I had $92,000 in student loans once I finished law school and took the bar exam. Most of that was for Law school, but about $30,000 of it was from undergrad. AND this is with fairly significant scholarships in law school. The cost of education (especially any kind of graduate school) is getting out of control. Back in 2000, I was accepted to the University of Michigan Law School (one of the best in the country). After scholarships, the cost of Tuition was going to exceed $15,000 per year (regular rate back then was $30K per year). In grad school a student can only borrow $18,500 per year. So, I would have to borrow that much just to cover tuition and have nothing to live on. Needless to say, I didn't go to Michigan for law school. My student loan payment is about $750 a month (and that is consolidated at 1.9% interest on the extended plan). I have friends who went to medical school who have $200,000 in student loans. Even the new public service program for forgiveness of student loan debts requires years and years of payments. I don't have an answer, but I know it's a problem. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/d67566b9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hi Donald - We lived near Princeton in the early 80s and our next door neighbors were a couple of professors who taught there. We had dinner with them one evening and started talking about the university and costs - they said it was around $18k-$20k per year. That was nearly 30 years ago! I shudder to think what it is today you wrote out of hand - yep, no argument there - obama could help the US by promoting the community college system and building them up (to reduce their trailer park image they do not deserve) and to help them reduce cost/fees. I was going to take a welding class (4 credit hours) there but it was over $92 per credit. A little too rich for me at the moment. ;-) I just wanted to learn how to weld properly, not get a degree! LarryT 91 300D . OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net . - Original Message - From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston Wonko wrote: $50K? I sure hope that was Harvard. You can get a private, tight teacher/student ratio small university in Iowa for only $35K, with lots of financial assistance. I had $92,000 in student loans once I finished law school and took the bar exam. Most of that was for Law school, but about $30,000 of it was from undergrad. AND this is with fairly significant scholarships in law school. The cost of education (especially any kind of graduate school) is getting out of control. Back in 2000, I was accepted to the University of Michigan Law School (one of the best in the country). After scholarships, the cost of Tuition was going to exceed $15,000 per year (regular rate back then was $30K per year). In grad school a student can only borrow $18,500 per year. So, I would have to borrow that much just to cover tuition and have nothing to live on. Needless to say, I didn't go to Michigan for law school. My student loan payment is about $750 a month (and that is consolidated at 1.9% interest on the extended plan). I have friends who went to medical school who have $200,000 in student loans. Even the new public service program for forgiveness of student loan debts requires years and years of payments. I don't have an answer, but I know it's a problem. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/d67566b9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I guess it's been awhile now, but my student loan was $3600; total cost of my college education (all-inclusive) was probably about $10k. (Tuition, books, room, board, pocket money.) BSEE at a State school. Look where it got me: here talking to _you_ all! :-) Listen to me bitch in about 10 years... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My daughter just finished 7 years and has her Masters in Speech Pathology and a Teaching degree. 4 years at Albion, MI and two at Western Michigan. She picked up a job in a public school in mid- Michigan within two months of graduation. 45,000 for 9 months of work and summers off. Needless to say we are all very happy. Mike On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:58 PM, OK Don wrote: The Brand Name private schools are at or pushing $50,000 per year now. Having a daughter who just graduated witha Masters from Yale, and is still job hunting, I have doubts about the return for your investment, at least in the current economy. (At least she went on a scholarship - cost me very little). On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: $50K? I sure hope that was Harvard. You can get a private, tight teacher/student ratio small university in Iowa for only $35K, with lots of financial assistance. (Daughter just got her BA from one of them, and thank God she got the degree in just three years rather than dragging it out for four.) -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090827/999d8557/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Larry wrote: We lived near Princeton in the early 80s and our next door neighbors were a couple of professors who taught there. We had dinner with them one evening and started talking about the university and costs - they said it was around $18k-$20k per year. That was nearly 30 years ago! I shudder to think what it is today The one thing I have heard (and I think Dan's comments indicate this is true) is that if you can get into the top tier schools (Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and a few others), they have enough money that they will make sure you can afford it. But, what about the other 99% of the people. When I was applying to law schools, I studied the acceptance rates vs. applications at some of these top schools. Yale was by far the most ridiculous. One year 6,000 students applied for less than 200 admitted. Harvard was actually much better because they have significantly larger classes. Here's an interesting bit of Trivia for you: Harvard and Yale routinely are ranked as #1 or #2 in law schools. Princeton, as you might imageine, is also almost always ranked in the top 5 among law schools. But, here's the interesting part: Princeton does not have a law school. But, it is always highly ranked! Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/67dcff32/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Donald Snook wrote: they have enough money that they will make sure you can afford it. The ivy leaguers and MIT are like that. They call it generosity, but it's really just a legalized way of extracting the most $$$ possible from each individual student. Take MIT for example. Let's say they bill $100k. Everybody either writes a check for $100k or submits detailed financial statements from which MIT leeches can calculate the maximum amount of blood to draw without killing the host organism. Once you find out exactly what you can extract from the victim, you determine how much money government and private sources are willing to give and or loan to him. Then you add it all up, and the resulting figure is the final bill after 'internal grants'. Then you pretend that your 'no student left unfleeced' program is actually a charitable endeavor. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hahvahd is way over-rated. Undergraduates get taught by grad students or lecturers, seldom see a real professor. Besides that, you can do just as well just about anywhere else if you really want to. Disclosure: I have close-to-direct experience with Hahvahd (wife spent some time there) and have many friends who went through the system, and I had some involvement there for a short while (it seemed longer). I also have many very successful friends who did just as well with small colleges. --R Donald Snook wrote: Larry wrote: We lived near Princeton in the early 80s and our next door neighbors were a couple of professors who taught there. We had dinner with them one evening and started talking about the university and costs - they said it was around $18k-$20k per year. That was nearly 30 years ago! I shudder to think what it is today The one thing I have heard (and I think Dan's comments indicate this is true) is that if you can get into the top tier schools (Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and a few others), they have enough money that they will make sure you can afford it. But, what about the other 99% of the people. When I was applying to law schools, I studied the acceptance rates vs. applications at some of these top schools. Yale was by far the most ridiculous. One year 6,000 students applied for less than 200 admitted. Harvard was actually much better because they have significantly larger classes. Here's an interesting bit of Trivia for you: Harvard and Yale routinely are ranked as #1 or #2 in law schools. Princeton, as you might imageine, is also almost always ranked in the top 5 among law schools. But, here's the interesting part: Princeton does not have a law school. But, it is always highly ranked! Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/67dcff32/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley wrote: The ivy leaguers and MIT are like that. They call it generosity, but it's really just a legalized way of extracting the most $$$ possible from each individual student. Lest you think I thought that up all on my own, I was paraphrasing something I read years ago by MIT professor Philip Greenspun: http://philip.greenspun.com/school/tuition-free-mit.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree with that assessment, having experienced it. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: The ivy leaguers and MIT are like that. They call it generosity, but it's really just a legalized way of extracting the most $$$ possible from each individual student. Lest you think I thought that up all on my own, I was paraphrasing something I read years ago by MIT professor Philip Greenspun: http://philip.greenspun.com/school/tuition-free-mit.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Georgia has a very good deal for teachers. My daughter had the HOPE scholarship for all 4 years of undergrad in Education, which means we paid only $500 a year for books, no room, board or tuition. Then for her Masters in Low-incidence Disabilities, she took out loans, knowing that if she signed a 3 year deal in GA the loans are paid by the state. The first payment isn't due until your 3rd year out of school, so if you complete your 3 year deal you owe absolutely nothing. She will complete her 3rd year in May 2010. She is teaching at the same high school she graduated from and has 3 students and 3 aides. Her students can barely function, but she will have them until they are 22 years old. Then the State kicks them out. Her kids are 16, 18 and 19, so she'll have them for some time. She adores all 3 of them. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston I had direct knowledge of the forgiveness program for teachers, and I can tell you that it sucks. You have to work 5 continuous years in a particular area of teaching, such as science or special ed., and when it's all said and done you get a $17,000 credit against your loans. If you fail to work continuously in the area(s) that qualify you for forgiveness, the clock starts over. What I took exception to is when I was finishing up my education degree the college and school systems pitched this really hard, which I think is an ethical issue, as the odds are against you in my opinion. Dangling a carrot like this in front of a bunch of tapped out 4th year college students with +$40k loans hanging over their heads is just wrong, IMHO. In my cohort of 15 people, I only know of two who are even close to qualifying for this. And they both still have 3 years to go to qualify. I am pleased that Sallie Mae closed the loophole that allowed people to default on student loans, however. Too many doctors and lawyers (present company excepted, of course) bailed on the system and left us taxpayers to settle their debts. Dan (with a fairly good sized Stafford loan that should be paid off around the time I retire. --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:07 AM Wonko wrote: $50K? I sure hope that was Harvard. You can get a private, tight teacher/student ratio small university in Iowa for only $35K, with lots of financial assistance. I had $92,000 in student loans once I finished law school and took the bar exam. Most of that was for Law school, but about $30,000 of it was from undergrad. AND this is with fairly significant scholarships in law school. The cost of education (especially any kind of graduate school) is getting out of control. Back in 2000, I was accepted to the University of Michigan Law School (one of the best in the country). After scholarships, the cost of Tuition was going to exceed $15,000 per year (regular rate back then was $30K per year). In grad school a student can only borrow $18,500 per year. So, I would have to borrow that much just to cover tuition and have nothing to live on. Needless to say, I didn't go to Michigan for law school. My student loan payment is about $750 a month (and that is consolidated at 1.9% interest on the extended plan). I have friends who went to medical school who have $200,000 in student loans. Even the new public service program for forgiveness of student loan debts requires years and years of payments. I don't have an answer, but I know it's a problem. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/d67566b9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Like Norton, MA... I had a guy from the Wheaton, IL school (meaning he's a tech guy there) in class a couple weeks ago, we had a good laugh because when I first saw him on the roster I assumed the school here in MA. I dated a girl from the Wheaton College in MA back when I was in highschool... -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:48:01 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090827224801.124d55d3.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:48:52 -0700 Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Lots of the small colleges are running at $50k. Amherst, Holy Cross, Tufts, Bowdion, Colby, middlebury, Providence, Brown, Renselear, Wheaton, As in Wheaton, Illinois? Or some other place? Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/25a9c7dd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And to think I graduated in '99 with only $20k in loans... Fitchburg State College, Fitchburg, MA. A guy I work with went to Emerson and at one point was making fun of Fitchburg until I pointed out that we essentially had the same job and made about the same money but I paid 1/3 the price. I rubbed his nose in it hardcore when I paid off my loans 5 years early and he still had 5 years to go... -Curt Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:07:26 -0500 From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: a0121bfa28702c4fa69fc5d9ceb56d084a471a7...@mtsqhexc2.mtsqh.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wonko wrote: $50K? I sure hope that was Harvard. You can get a private, tight teacher/student ratio small university in Iowa for only $35K, with lots of financial assistance. I had $92,000 in student loans once I finished law school and took the bar exam. Most of that was for Law school, but about $30,000 of it was from undergrad. AND this is with fairly significant scholarships in law school. The cost of education (especially any kind of graduate school) is getting out of control. Back in 2000, I was accepted to the University of Michigan Law School (one of the best in the country). After scholarships, the cost of Tuition was going to exceed $15,000 per year (regular rate back then was $30K per year). In grad school a student can only borrow $18,500 per year. So, I would have to borrow that much just to cover tuition and have nothing to live on. Needless to say, I didn't go to Michigan for law school. My student loan payment is about $750 a month (and that is consolidated at 1.9% interest on the extended plan). I have friends who went to medical school who have $200,000 in student loans. Even the new public service program for forgiveness of student loan debts requires years and years of payments. I don't have an answer, but I know it's a problem. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/a1e6433a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That reminds me of the FAFSA... I can remember when I first filled mine out - I was working part time when I was a stay-at-home Dad making about $15k/year. When I filled out the FAFSA they said I had $4k disposable income that could be applied to college costs, so therefore, I was not eligible for any sort of financial aid. Must be the same sort of math... Dan --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:53 AM Donald Snook wrote: they have enough money that they will make sure you can afford it. The ivy leaguers and MIT are like that. They call it generosity, but it's really just a legalized way of extracting the most $$$ possible from each individual student. Take MIT for example. Let's say they bill $100k. Everybody either writes a check for $100k or submits detailed financial statements from which MIT leeches can calculate the maximum amount of blood to draw without killing the host organism. Once you find out exactly what you can extract from the victim, you determine how much money government and private sources are willing to give and or loan to him. Then you add it all up, and the resulting figure is the final bill after 'internal grants'. Then you pretend that your 'no student left unfleeced' program is actually a charitable endeavor. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Good points, Rusty - I forgot about the deferment. As long as you work in the area of instruction, your loan payments are deferred until you hit the end of the time period. The big difference is whether or not your loans are subsidized or unsubsidized. If they're unsubsidized, the interest continues to accrue during the deferment period, I believe. Florida has a similar program as HOPE called Bright Futures. It kicked ass, as all you had to do was have a 3.0 GPA or better and you qualified. If you had a 3.0-3.4 you got 75% tuition reimbursement at any state school, 3.5 and above you got 100%. Only thing it didn't cover was books. And I used to listen to these kids in my cohort bitch about paying for books. On an aside, we had a grant that covered a couple of classes plus a nice stipend on top. We had to agree to teach in a Title 1 school for two years in our first five years of teaching. They never had us sign the contracts, so in about three more years it will be interesting to see if they try and collect. Dan --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Rusty Cullens ru...@buymbparts.com wrote: From: Rusty Cullens ru...@buymbparts.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 10:39 AM Georgia has a very good deal for teachers. My daughter had the HOPE scholarship for all 4 years of undergrad in Education, which means we paid only $500 a year for books, no room, board or tuition. Then for her Masters in Low-incidence Disabilities, she took out loans, knowing that if she signed a 3 year deal in GA the loans are paid by the state. The first payment isn't due until your 3rd year out of school, so if you complete your 3 year deal you owe absolutely nothing. She will complete her 3rd year in May 2010. She is teaching at the same high school she graduated from and has 3 students and 3 aides. Her students can barely function, but she will have them until they are 22 years old. Then the State kicks them out. Her kids are 16, 18 and 19, so she'll have them for some time. She adores all 3 of them. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston I had direct knowledge of the forgiveness program for teachers, and I can tell you that it sucks. You have to work 5 continuous years in a particular area of teaching, such as science or special ed., and when it's all said and done you get a $17,000 credit against your loans. If you fail to work continuously in the area(s) that qualify you for forgiveness, the clock starts over. What I took exception to is when I was finishing up my education degree the college and school systems pitched this really hard, which I think is an ethical issue, as the odds are against you in my opinion. Dangling a carrot like this in front of a bunch of tapped out 4th year college students with +$40k loans hanging over their heads is just wrong, IMHO. In my cohort of 15 people, I only know of two who are even close to qualifying for this. And they both still have 3 years to go to qualify. I am pleased that Sallie Mae closed the loophole that allowed people to default on student loans, however. Too many doctors and lawyers (present company excepted, of course) bailed on the system and left us taxpayers to settle their debts. Dan (with a fairly good sized Stafford loan that should be paid off around the time I retire. --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just back from Boston To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:07 AM Wonko wrote: $50K? I sure hope that was Harvard. You can get a private, tight teacher/student ratio small university in Iowa for only $35K, with lots of financial assistance. I had $92,000 in student loans once I finished law school and took the bar exam. Most of that was for Law school, but about $30,000 of it was from undergrad. AND this is with fairly significant scholarships in law school. The cost of education (especially any kind of graduate school) is getting out of control. Back in 2000, I was accepted to the University of Michigan Law School (one of the best in the country). After scholarships, the cost of Tuition was going to exceed $15,000 per year (regular rate back then was $30K per year). In grad school a student can only borrow $18,500 per year. So, I would have to borrow that much just to cover tuition and have nothing to live on. Needless to say, I didn't go to Michigan for law school. My student loan payment is about $750 a month (and that is consolidated at 1.9% interest on the extended plan). I have friends who
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That is a half truth, at best. In my time, every course featured lectures by the prof himself (no women profs then). The grad students who taught the sections were quite bright, so I had no complaint with the classroom work either. That being said, you can get a fundamentally equivalent education at almost any large, credentialed institution. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Hahvahd is way over-rated. Undergraduates get taught by grad students or lecturers, seldom see a real professor. Besides that, you can do just as well just about anywhere else if you really want to. Disclosure: I have close-to-direct experience with Hahvahd (wife spent some time there) and have many friends who went through the system, and I had some involvement there for a short while (it seemed longer). I also have many very successful friends who did just as well with small colleges. --R Donald Snook wrote: Larry wrote: We lived near Princeton in the early 80s and our next door neighbors were a couple of professors who taught there. We had dinner with them one evening and started talking about the university and costs - they said it was around $18k-$20k per year. That was nearly 30 years ago! I shudder to think what it is today The one thing I have heard (and I think Dan's comments indicate this is true) is that if you can get into the top tier schools (Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and a few others), they have enough money that they will make sure you can afford it. But, what about the other 99% of the people. When I was applying to law schools, I studied the acceptance rates vs. applications at some of these top schools. Yale was by far the most ridiculous. One year 6,000 students applied for less than 200 admitted. Harvard was actually much better because they have significantly larger classes. Here's an interesting bit of Trivia for you: Harvard and Yale routinely are ranked as #1 or #2 in law schools. Princeton, as you might imageine, is also almost always ranked in the top 5 among law schools. But, here's the interesting part: Princeton does not have a law school. But, it is always highly ranked! Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/67dcff32/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/07496b1b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Same here - repeated three times - once per daughter (I'm a slow learner). On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I agree with that assessment, having experienced it. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: The ivy leaguers and MIT are like that. They call it generosity, but it's really just a legalized way of extracting the most $$$ possible from each individual student. Lest you think I thought that up all on my own, I was paraphrasing something I read years ago by MIT professor Philip Greenspun: -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/a08f35b9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, things might have changed. And the women don't get involved in math and science you know --R andrew strasfogel wrote: That is a half truth, at best. In my time, every course featured lectures by the prof himself (no women profs then). The grad students who taught the sections were quite bright, so I had no complaint with the classroom work either. That being said, you can get a fundamentally equivalent education at almost any large, credentialed institution. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Hahvahd is way over-rated. Undergraduates get taught by grad students or lecturers, seldom see a real professor. Besides that, you can do just as well just about anywhere else if you really want to. Disclosure: I have close-to-direct experience with Hahvahd (wife spent some time there) and have many friends who went through the system, and I had some involvement there for a short while (it seemed longer). I also have many very successful friends who did just as well with small colleges. --R Donald Snook wrote: Larry wrote: We lived near Princeton in the early 80s and our next door neighbors were a couple of professors who taught there. We had dinner with them one evening and started talking about the university and costs - they said it was around $18k-$20k per year. That was nearly 30 years ago! I shudder to think what it is today The one thing I have heard (and I think Dan's comments indicate this is true) is that if you can get into the top tier schools (Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and a few others), they have enough money that they will make sure you can afford it. But, what about the other 99% of the people. When I was applying to law schools, I studied the acceptance rates vs. applications at some of these top schools. Yale was by far the most ridiculous. One year 6,000 students applied for less than 200 admitted. Harvard was actually much better because they have significantly larger classes. Here's an interesting bit of Trivia for you: Harvard and Yale routinely are ranked as #1 or #2 in law schools. Princeton, as you might imageine, is also almost always ranked in the top 5 among law schools. But, here's the interesting part: Princeton does not have a law school. But, it is always highly ranked! Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/67dcff32/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/07496b1b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/ccb223f5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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andrew strasfogel wrote: SNIP That being said, you can get a fundamentally equivalent education at almost any large, credentialed institution. Exactly! You attend to a prestigious College and exit a dummy. You can attend a small accredited school and extract a very good education, go to work for an enlightened organization that will assist you with you graduate work and give you life experiance which will fill the gaps. -- Pete Arnold My Mind Not Only Wanders, Sometimes it Leaves Completely! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: Hahvahd is way over-rated. Undergraduates get taught by grad students or lecturers, seldom see a real professor. Besides that, you can do just as well just about anywhere else if you really want to. You go to a school like Harvard at least as much for developing a network with the other people there as you do for the education. Maybe more so. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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True enough, depending on what you want to do I guess. --R Allan Streib wrote: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: Hahvahd is way over-rated. Undergraduates get taught by grad students or lecturers, seldom see a real professor. Besides that, you can do just as well just about anywhere else if you really want to. You go to a school like Harvard at least as much for developing a network with the other people there as you do for the education. Maybe more so. Allan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090828/762bcef9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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$50K? I sure hope that was Harvard. You can get a private, tight teacher/student ratio small university in Iowa for only $35K, with lots of financial assistance. (Daughter just got her BA from one of them, and thank God she got the degree in just three years rather than dragging it out for four.) On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Was out east looking at schools for oldest son. Not really enthused about $50k per annum for edjumakation. Marine Corps will do right by him. SWMBA was not happy that I was cruising CL looking for a ride back home... HATE TO FLY. Well I found out why there are so many institutions of higher education in the area. No local forms of intelligent life. They all sound like harridans, goombas or dirty cops. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090827/9f39b287/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Brand Name private schools are at or pushing $50,000 per year now. Having a daughter who just graduated witha Masters from Yale, and is still job hunting, I have doubts about the return for your investment, at least in the current economy. (At least she went on a scholarship - cost me very little). On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: $50K? I sure hope that was Harvard. You can get a private, tight teacher/student ratio small university in Iowa for only $35K, with lots of financial assistance. (Daughter just got her BA from one of them, and thank God she got the degree in just three years rather than dragging it out for four.) -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090827/999d8557/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Lots of the small colleges are running at $50k. Amherst, Holy Cross, Tufts, Bowdion, Colby, middlebury, Providence, Brown, Renselear, Wheaton, Bennington, and a few more that we just crossed off the list and are gone from my mind clay On Aug 27, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: $50K? I sure hope that was Harvard. You can get a private, tight teacher/student ratio small university in Iowa for only $35K, with lots of financial assistance. (Daughter just got her BA from one of them, and thank God she got the degree in just three years rather than dragging it out for four.) On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Was out east looking at schools for oldest son. Not really enthused about $50k per annum for edjumakation. Marine Corps will do right by him. SWMBA was not happy that I was cruising CL looking for a ride back home... HATE TO FLY. Well I found out why there are so many institutions of higher education in the area. No local forms of intelligent life. They all sound like harridans, goombas or dirty cops. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090827/9f39b287/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Guidance staff figured the boy would fit well in these schools. He is not interested in local schools or nice ones below 45 degrees latitude. Sun seems to be too much for him. I say University of St. Petersburg or the Lenin school of larger schooling clay On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:58 PM, OK Don wrote: The Brand Name private schools are at or pushing $50,000 per year now. Having a daughter who just graduated witha Masters from Yale, and is still job hunting, I have doubts about the return for your investment, at least in the current economy. (At least she went on a scholarship - cost me very little). On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: $50K? I sure hope that was Harvard. You can get a private, tight teacher/student ratio small university in Iowa for only $35K, with lots of financial assistance. (Daughter just got her BA from one of them, and thank God she got the degree in just three years rather than dragging it out for four.) -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090827/999d8557/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:48:52 -0700 Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Lots of the small colleges are running at $50k. Amherst, Holy Cross, Tufts, Bowdion, Colby, middlebury, Providence, Brown, Renselear, Wheaton, As in Wheaton, Illinois? Or some other place? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And you didn't stop in? I'd have made you a heckuva deal on my 240D... -Curt Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:06:08 -0700 From: Redghost redgh...@comcast.net Subject: [MBZ] Just back from Boston To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned List ban...@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 443eb94b-c9ee-4960-b13d-a2125a38d...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Was out east looking at schools for oldest son. Not really enthused about $50k per annum for edjumakation. Marine Corps will do right by him. SWMBA was not happy that I was cruising CL looking for a ride back home... HATE TO FLY. Well I found out why there are so many institutions of higher education in the area. No local forms of intelligent life. They all sound like harridans, goombas or dirty cops. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090825/f720400a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would have, but SWMBA took her laptop so she could be in contact with work. Kids got ahold of it, played interweb games and borked it. She went in to work this morning, gave IT fellow the dead one and picked up a new toy. I had to scam time on the macbooks at the Apple store while she wandered town. Would have needed to figure out where in creation most of the cars I found were and which train takes me there. clay On Aug 25, 2009, at 5:30 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: And you didn't stop in? I'd have made you a heckuva deal on my 240D... -Curt Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:06:08 -0700 From: Redghost redgh...@comcast.net Subject: [MBZ] Just back from Boston To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com,Banned List ban...@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 443eb94b-c9ee-4960-b13d-a2125a38d...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Was out east looking at schools for oldest son. Not really enthused about $50k per annum for edjumakation. Marine Corps will do right by him. SWMBA was not happy that I was cruising CL looking for a ride back home... HATE TO FLY. Well I found out why there are so many institutions of higher education in the area. No local forms of intelligent life. They all sound like harridans, goombas or dirty cops. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090825/f720400a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
