Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
They do not stay mixed, especially if they are heated and cooled repeatedly. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Has anyone tried mixing VO and diesel fuel? Does anyone know if the 2 will stay mixed in the tank? I'm asking because it would be easy for me to run a mix without too much trouble. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:55 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts? In a message dated 10/15/2007 1:45:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that #2 is $3.05 here, I bought 5 gallons of SVO that was on sale to last me until tomorrow night when I have to head to work.where I can get, along the freeway, #2 at Loves for $2.85 (I hope). So I dump in the SVO and drive off and by the time I make it to the first light, it seems I am running markedly smoother and quieter. Since they have gone to exclusively low-sulfur I haven't made it into town to the closest bio pump (about 6 months or so). Does it really make that much of a difference or am I just nuts? It sounds and feels so much better it makes me want to start collecting WVO... Bob, Your mentality is NOT in question here! The same thing happened when I dumped in 5 gallons or Costco's finest soybean cooking oil, against maybe 3 gallons of #2 in the tank. For whatever reason, I had the engine warm and idling and within three minutes, the engine quieted down and ran smoother. VERY noticeable! I really did not expect to hear any difference but their surely is. Kind of like adding a quart of motor oil to the fuel tank at high altitudes, as it alters the rate of combustion. And the smell of the exhaust is much more pleasant, as well. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
John M McIntosh wrote: Well up here in Canada where we've Diesel Powered Smarts the fellows in the back room at the mercedes dealership tell me they've sent off quite a few IP where the owner has run questionable biodiesel or SVO and trashed things... 'twould be interesting if we were ever able to find out the details of these IP trashings; for example, are we talking about homebrew BioD, or some otherwise sub-standard BioD? (the fact that the standards for BioD aren't even globally universal doesn't help, either,... the possibility exists that the BioD these things were exposed to doesn't meet the spec for BioD that would have been acceptable.) add to that the issues we've seen with the VW TDIs seals failing after even just a few cycles of switching back and forth between BioD and the new ULSD, and you have to wonder if these were trashed in a similar manner, and what the real cause of the problem is. of course if they were running unheated (S/W)VO, they were just asking for trouble. I'll assume since the iP is only for 3 cyls, why it must only be 1/2 the price of a om603 pump eh? we can dream, can't we? ;-) Evidence shows those new fangled IPs aren't as forgiving as the ones in a 617. some people are still downright allergic to the idea of BioD of any kind, and will use any chance to blame any failure on it. while they might be right sometimes, after seeing millions of miles run on BioD in our local fleet, i still have to wonder why the local IP rebuilder sends rebuilt IPs back with a tag that disallows warranty coverage if any hint of BioD use is detected. (i've never been able to get a straight answer on the topic.) Exposing anything with bluetec in the name to such fuels gives me the shivers... until the BioD standards are more universal, i feel the same way. i'm extremely curious to see how the coming Honda diesels handle non-petroleum fuels,... cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:35 AM, ernest breakfield wrote: 'twould be interesting if we were ever able to find out the details of these IP trashings; for example, are we talking about homebrew BioD, or some otherwise sub-standard BioD? of course if they were running unheated (S/W)VO, they were just asking for trouble. This would be home brew BioD and I'll certainly bet (S/W)VO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
I believe VO is Vegetable Oil - but what is SVO? Also - It sounds like I can pour a gallon or 2 pf VO (SVO?) into my tank fill the rest of the way with diesel and get most of the benefits (smooth, quiet and lower stench.)? Sorry - haven't followed this thread closely. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts? Where you are, you should be fine with a few gallons of SVO in each tank. Will give you that same BioD benefit of smooth, quiet and lower stench. clay On 15 Oct 2007, at 13:44, Robert Rentfro wrote: Now that #2 is $3.05 here, I bought 5 gallons of SVO that was on sale to last me until tomorrow night when I have to head to work.where I can get, along the freeway, #2 at Loves for $2.85 (I hope). So I dump in the SVO and drive off and by the time I make it to the first light, it seems I am running markedly smoother and quieter. Since they have gone to exclusively low-sulfur I haven't made it into town to the closest bio pump (about 6 months or so). Does it really make that much of a difference or am I just nuts? It sounds and feels so much better it makes me want to start collecting WVO... Bob Rentfro '77 300D 182K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.11/1071 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 6:48 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
SVO - straight veg oil (most always meaning new VO) WVO - waste veg oil Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts? I believe VO is Vegetable Oil - but what is SVO? Also - It sounds like I can pour a gallon or 2 pf VO (SVO?) into my tank fill the rest of the way with diesel and get most of the benefits (smooth, quiet and lower stench.)? Sorry - haven't followed this thread closely. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts? Where you are, you should be fine with a few gallons of SVO in each tank. Will give you that same BioD benefit of smooth, quiet and lower stench. clay On 15 Oct 2007, at 13:44, Robert Rentfro wrote: Now that #2 is $3.05 here, I bought 5 gallons of SVO that was on sale to last me until tomorrow night when I have to head to work.where I can get, along the freeway, #2 at Loves for $2.85 (I hope). So I dump in the SVO and drive off and by the time I make it to the first light, it seems I am running markedly smoother and quieter. Since they have gone to exclusively low-sulfur I haven't made it into town to the closest bio pump (about 6 months or so). Does it really make that much of a difference or am I just nuts? It sounds and feels so much better it makes me want to start collecting WVO... Bob Rentfro '77 300D 182K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.11/1071 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 6:48 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
SVO is straight veggie, instead of WVO being waste veggie. If it is used, you have some more issues than if you pour out of a sealed jug. 2 gallons is good, as you will be really close to 10% in any tank our cars have (23 gallons in the e300d) clay On 16 Oct 2007, at 11:22, LarryT wrote: I believe VO is Vegetable Oil - but what is SVO? Also - It sounds like I can pour a gallon or 2 pf VO (SVO?) into my tank fill the rest of the way with diesel and get most of the benefits (smooth, quiet and lower stench.)? Sorry - haven't followed this thread closely. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts? Where you are, you should be fine with a few gallons of SVO in each tank. Will give you that same BioD benefit of smooth, quiet and lower stench. clay On 15 Oct 2007, at 13:44, Robert Rentfro wrote: Now that #2 is $3.05 here, I bought 5 gallons of SVO that was on sale to last me until tomorrow night when I have to head to work.where I can get, along the freeway, #2 at Loves for $2.85 (I hope). So I dump in the SVO and drive off and by the time I make it to the first light, it seems I am running markedly smoother and quieter. Since they have gone to exclusively low-sulfur I haven't made it into town to the closest bio pump (about 6 months or so). Does it really make that much of a difference or am I just nuts? It sounds and feels so much better it makes me want to start collecting WVO... Bob Rentfro '77 300D 182K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.11/1071 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 6:48 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
Vegoil has a lower flame front speed or something like that, so it combusts a bit slower, probably less power, so it is quieter (whump! instead of BANG!), It smells better though. Robert Rentfro wrote: Now that #2 is $3.05 here, I bought 5 gallons of SVO that was on sale to last me until tomorrow night when I have to head to work.where I can get, along the freeway, #2 at Loves for $2.85 (I hope). So I dump in the SVO and drive off and by the time I make it to the first light, it seems I am running markedly smoother and quieter. Since they have gone to exclusively low-sulfur I haven't made it into town to the closest bio pump (about 6 months or so). Does it really make that much of a difference or am I just nuts? It sounds and feels so much better it makes me want to start collecting WVO... Bob Rentfro '77 300D 182K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
hi Bob! the MBZs around here running VO (and there are a lot of them) are the smoothest sounding by far; BioD sounds almost as good, but not quite. as i understand it, the lubricity isn't the contributing factor, but rather the way the different fuels ignite and burn. downsides are that if VO isn't heated, its viscosity is much higher than the #2 it was designed for, causing strain on the injection pump and injectors... and downstream from that, it doesn't atomize properly causing 'splattery' injection (sure, that's the technical term!) resulting in drops being injected instead of a mist; leading to incomplete ignition, internal deposits and even internal component failure due to the uneven internal temperatures caused by the VO droplets adhering to the interior surfaces in the combustion chamber. of course, there are lots of stories of people who take advantage of these motors durability and manage to get away with running all kinds of things in them for a *while*, but it never seems to last for the long run. i've seen the inside of some relatively low-mileage 617s that ran unheated VO, and they were pretty gunked up. short story is, if you're going to use VO, make sure you at least have some way to heat the fuel enough to get its viscosity down to where it can be pumped and injected properly. cheers! e '85 300D BioD in Berkeley Robert Rentfro wrote: Now that #2 is $3.05 here, I bought 5 gallons of SVO that was on sale to last me until tomorrow night when I have to head to work.where I can get, along the freeway, #2 at Loves for $2.85 (I hope). So I dump in the SVO and drive off and by the time I make it to the first light, it seems I am running markedly smoother and quieter. Since they have gone to exclusively low-sulfur I haven't made it into town to the closest bio pump (about 6 months or so). Does it really make that much of a difference or am I just nuts? It sounds and feels so much better it makes me want to start collecting WVO... Bob Rentfro '77 300D 182K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
I'm sure there are those that'll say you're nuts but I'm not one of them. I've seen it too although it was much more pronounced in my 240D than the 190D. #2 is $3.09 here which is has just about pushed me into a BJs membership. Theres one on my commute and at this price it might be possible to pay for the membership in fuel savings over a year alone. Any other savings is a bonus. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:44:40 -0700 From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts? To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Now that #2 is $3.05 here, I bought 5 gallons of SVO that was on sale to last me until tomorrow night when I have to head to work.where I can get, along the freeway, #2 at Loves for $2.85 (I hope). So I dump in the SVO and drive off and by the time I make it to the first light, it seems I am running markedly smoother and quieter. Since they have gone to exclusively low-sulfur I haven't made it into town to the closest bio pump (about 6 months or so). Does it really make that much of a difference or am I just nuts? It sounds and feels so much better it makes me want to start collecting WVO... Bob Rentfro '77 300D 182K Goodyear, AZ - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
In a message dated 10/15/2007 1:45:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that #2 is $3.05 here, I bought 5 gallons of SVO that was on sale to last me until tomorrow night when I have to head to work.where I can get, along the freeway, #2 at Loves for $2.85 (I hope). So I dump in the SVO and drive off and by the time I make it to the first light, it seems I am running markedly smoother and quieter. Since they have gone to exclusively low-sulfur I haven't made it into town to the closest bio pump (about 6 months or so). Does it really make that much of a difference or am I just nuts? It sounds and feels so much better it makes me want to start collecting WVO... Bob, Your mentality is NOT in question here! The same thing happened when I dumped in 5 gallons or Costco's finest soybean cooking oil, against maybe 3 gallons of #2 in the tank. For whatever reason, I had the engine warm and idling and within three minutes, the engine quieted down and ran smoother. VERY noticeable! I really did not expect to hear any difference but their surely is. Kind of like adding a quart of motor oil to the fuel tank at high altitudes, as it alters the rate of combustion. And the smell of the exhaust is much more pleasant, as well. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
Has anyone tried mixing VO and diesel fuel? Does anyone know if the 2 will stay mixed in the tank? I'm asking because it would be easy for me to run a mix without too much trouble. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:55 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts? In a message dated 10/15/2007 1:45:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that #2 is $3.05 here, I bought 5 gallons of SVO that was on sale to last me until tomorrow night when I have to head to work.where I can get, along the freeway, #2 at Loves for $2.85 (I hope). So I dump in the SVO and drive off and by the time I make it to the first light, it seems I am running markedly smoother and quieter. Since they have gone to exclusively low-sulfur I haven't made it into town to the closest bio pump (about 6 months or so). Does it really make that much of a difference or am I just nuts? It sounds and feels so much better it makes me want to start collecting WVO... Bob, Your mentality is NOT in question here! The same thing happened when I dumped in 5 gallons or Costco's finest soybean cooking oil, against maybe 3 gallons of #2 in the tank. For whatever reason, I had the engine warm and idling and within three minutes, the engine quieted down and ran smoother. VERY noticeable! I really did not expect to hear any difference but their surely is. Kind of like adding a quart of motor oil to the fuel tank at high altitudes, as it alters the rate of combustion. And the smell of the exhaust is much more pleasant, as well. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
After Katrina when diesel went berserk I went to Sam's and was running about 30% vegoil. Car ran OK, does not seem to have hurt anything. Course that is in Houston where it was 95F so YM(or lack thereof)MV. --R Tom Hargrave wrote: Has anyone tried mixing VO and diesel fuel? Does anyone know if the 2 will stay mixed in the tank? I'm asking because it would be easy for me to run a mix without too much trouble. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Like Rich in Houston, I've never had an issue here in PHX when I mix SVO and diesel fuel. Not sure about the colder climes. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:59 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts? Has anyone tried mixing VO and diesel fuel? Does anyone know if the 2 will stay mixed in the tank? I'm asking because it would be easy for me to run a mix without too much trouble. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:55 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts? In a message dated 10/15/2007 1:45:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that #2 is $3.05 here, I bought 5 gallons of SVO that was on sale to last me until tomorrow night when I have to head to work.where I can get, along the freeway, #2 at Loves for $2.85 (I hope). So I dump in the SVO and drive off and by the time I make it to the first light, it seems I am running markedly smoother and quieter. Since they have gone to exclusively low-sulfur I haven't made it into town to the closest bio pump (about 6 months or so). Does it really make that much of a difference or am I just nuts? It sounds and feels so much better it makes me want to start collecting WVO... Bob, Your mentality is NOT in question here! The same thing happened when I dumped in 5 gallons or Costco's finest soybean cooking oil, against maybe 3 gallons of #2 in the tank. For whatever reason, I had the engine warm and idling and within three minutes, the engine quieted down and ran smoother. VERY noticeable! I really did not expect to hear any difference but their surely is. Kind of like adding a quart of motor oil to the fuel tank at high altitudes, as it alters the rate of combustion. And the smell of the exhaust is much more pleasant, as well. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
Where you are, you should be fine with a few gallons of SVO in each tank. Will give you that same BioD benefit of smooth, quiet and lower stench. clay On 15 Oct 2007, at 13:44, Robert Rentfro wrote: Now that #2 is $3.05 here, I bought 5 gallons of SVO that was on sale to last me until tomorrow night when I have to head to work.where I can get, along the freeway, #2 at Loves for $2.85 (I hope). So I dump in the SVO and drive off and by the time I make it to the first light, it seems I am running markedly smoother and quieter. Since they have gone to exclusively low-sulfur I haven't made it into town to the closest bio pump (about 6 months or so). Does it really make that much of a difference or am I just nuts? It sounds and feels so much better it makes me want to start collecting WVO... Bob Rentfro '77 300D 182K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
IT does stay in solution just fine. Gump loves a few gallons of SVO every so often as long as I have twice the volume of #2. Gets too cold for more than 2/1 mix to not gel clay On 15 Oct 2007, at 15:59, Tom Hargrave wrote: Has anyone tried mixing VO and diesel fuel? Does anyone know if the 2 will stay mixed in the tank? I'm asking because it would be easy for me to run a mix without too much trouble. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:55 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts? In a message dated 10/15/2007 1:45:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that #2 is $3.05 here, I bought 5 gallons of SVO that was on sale to last me until tomorrow night when I have to head to work.where I can get, along the freeway, #2 at Loves for $2.85 (I hope). So I dump in the SVO and drive off and by the time I make it to the first light, it seems I am running markedly smoother and quieter. Since they have gone to exclusively low-sulfur I haven't made it into town to the closest bio pump (about 6 months or so). Does it really make that much of a difference or am I just nuts? It sounds and feels so much better it makes me want to start collecting WVO... Bob, Your mentality is NOT in question here! The same thing happened when I dumped in 5 gallons or Costco's finest soybean cooking oil, against maybe 3 gallons of #2 in the tank. For whatever reason, I had the engine warm and idling and within three minutes, the engine quieted down and ran smoother. VERY noticeable! I really did not expect to hear any difference but their surely is. Kind of like adding a quart of motor oil to the fuel tank at high altitudes, as it alters the rate of combustion. And the smell of the exhaust is much more pleasant, as well. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles ** See what's new at http:// www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low Sulfur Fuel Lubricity...Am I Nuts?
On Oct 15, 2007, at 2:35 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: of course, there are lots of stories of people who take advantage of these motors durability and manage to get away with running all kinds of things in them for a *while*, but it never seems to last for the long run. i've seen the inside of some relatively low-mileage 617s that ran unheated VO, and they were pretty gunked up. Well up here in Canada where we've Diesel Powered Smarts the fellows in the back room at the mercedes dealership tell me they've sent off quite a few IP where the owner has run questionable biodiesel or SVO and trashed things... I'll assume since the iP is only for 3 cyls, why it must only be 1/2 the price of a om603 pump eh? Certainly if it's sitting in a box waiting to be shipped somewhere that can't be cheap Evidence shows those new fangled IPs aren't as forgiving as the ones in a 617. Exposing anything with bluetec in the name to such fuels gives me the shivers... John 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 208k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 198k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
