Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks!  In my world, the nautical term is "small stuff", which is used to 
"seize" the bitter end of a line (wrap around the end of a big rope to keep it 
from fraying).
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 24, 2017 12:09:38 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Mason's twine is a twisted nylon twine (like 3/64 in dia) that's quite
>strong and inexpensive.  It is available in long spools (like 500 ft)
>and in many colors at building supply places.  Masons string it taught
>between ends of rows of bricks/blocks as a guide to keep all the bricks
>inline/level.  It's basically disposable because it gets mired in
>mortar.  It unwinds/frays easily so I always melt the raw ends to seal
>them.  It's also handy for restringing wind chimes, among many other
>things. 
>
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>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
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>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of
>heat in
>> foot wells.
>> 
>> Scott, what is Mason's string?
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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Mason's twine is a twisted nylon twine (like 3/64 in dia) that's quite strong 
and inexpensive.  It is available in long spools (like 500 ft) and in many 
colors at building supply places.  Masons string it taught between ends of rows 
of bricks/blocks as a guide to keep all the bricks inline/level.  It's 
basically disposable because it gets mired in mortar.  It unwinds/frays easily 
so I always melt the raw ends to seal them.  It's also handy for restringing 
wind chimes, among many other things. 

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> Cc: Meade Dillon 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in
> foot wells.
> 
> Scott, what is Mason's string?
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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Big Muddy.

-D

> On Dec 22, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> But the Aroostock doesn't have that many dams.  
> Wait, there are other rivers that matter?
> -Curt
> 
> 
>On Friday, December 22, 2017, 12:16:16 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> It is in the text.  The River, Just above Lock and dam 19.
> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> December 22, 2017 at 10:28 AM
>> What state? Recipes?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

But the Aroostock doesn't have that many dams.  
Wait, there are other rivers that matter?    
-Curt
 

On Friday, December 22, 2017, 12:16:16 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 It is in the text.  The River, Just above Lock and dam 19.

> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> December 22, 2017 at 10:28 AM
> What state? Recipes?
>

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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It is in the text.  The River, Just above Lock and dam 19.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 22, 2017 at 10:28 AM
What state? Recipes?



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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What state?  Recipes?

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Along the River, it was fish line, up to 3/16"
>
> I latched onto one with 3/16 line that was so big it pulled the 18' Lone
> Star with 5 people upstream fast enough to make a wake, until it broke the
> 3/16" nylon fishline...
>
> I wanted to shake the hand of that fish!  (or at least see how big it was!)
>
> This was just above Lock and Dam 16
>
> Local legend was that when they built the dam, some of the divers would
> see catfish bigger than they were, and refuse to dive there again.   After
> getting towed upstream by  this guy, I believe the stories.
>
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>> December 22, 2017 at 6:45 AM
>> Scott, what is Mason's string?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Along the River, it was fish line, up to 3/16"

I latched onto one with 3/16 line that was so big it pulled the 18' Lone 
Star with 5 people upstream fast enough to make a wake, until it broke 
the 3/16" nylon fishline...


I wanted to shake the hand of that fish!  (or at least see how big it was!)

This was just above Lock and Dam 16

Local legend was that when they built the dam, some of the divers would 
see catfish bigger than they were, and refuse to dive there again.   
After getting towed upstream by  this guy, I believe the stories.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 22, 2017 at 6:45 AM
Scott, what is Mason's string?


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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

1/16" dia nylon cord.

This is a great fix without having to take apart the dash!


Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 22, 2017 at 6:45 AM
Scott, what is Mason's string?


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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Scott, what is Mason's string?
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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

On my 82 SD, the plastic levers that operate the foot-well heat flaps failed.  
I decided it was too expensive (part$) and too hard (remove whole dash and ac 
ducts) to restore to OEM configuration.  I used a piece of wood the first few 
winters.  Later I rigged a piece of mason's twine from the right flap through 
an eye in the other flap and back out through the right flap.  With the string 
slack the flaps blow closed and pulling the string holds them open.  Crude but 
it works.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:58 AM
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> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in
> foot wells.
> 
> If you’re getting heat elsewhere in the system I would assume the vacuum
> actuator for the footwell flap has failed.
> 
> Time to get the MityVac out and go at things.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Dec 21, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > I’m going to be pulling my glove box today to determine if my foam hose is
> rotted out or fallen off and replace if necessary.
> > In addition to this issue I have almost no heat going to the foot wells on
> either side. The Push Button Unit seems to be working as there is a
> corresponding change in air flow volume from the defrost area and the upper
> side vents when when I change selections. FYI the center vents do not function
> correctly with air conditioning setting. I believe the pod controlling this is
> broken as it stopped working last year.
> > Any thoughts about the no heat in the foot wells?
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> > Michael E. Esh
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 28, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Jim Cathey 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Failure to regulate a proper temperature is usually due to a rotted foam
> hose under the dash.  Hardware store pipe insulation may be used to replace
> the rotted-out segment.
> >>
> >> On that system, the common failure points, in no particular order:
> >>
> >> 1) Torn monovalve diaphragm
> >> 2) Cracked solder joints inside the pushbutton unit.
> >> 3) Rotted foam hose going to the cabin temperature sensor.
> >>
> >> -- Jim
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It should.  You’ll be amazed at how well the system works once that hose 
connected/replaced.

-D


> On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I replaced the foam hose. Hopefully that will take care of slow response to 
> changes. I blocked open the floor heat vent so should warm feet. To cold to 
> do much else. 
> Test drive tomorrow. 
> 
> Thanks for your responses. 
> 
> Michael E. Esh
> 


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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

I replaced the foam hose. Hopefully that will take care of slow response to 
changes. I blocked open the floor heat vent so should warm feet. To cold to do 
much else. 
Test drive tomorrow. 

Thanks for your responses. 

Michael E. Esh


> On Dec 21, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>  
> I solved that in the first SDL by sticking a 2x4 in the foot vent to hold 
> them open.   (After paying thousands to replace PBU, Monovalve, Circulation 
> pump, vacuum solenoids, vacuum pods, etc.)
> 
>> Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>> December 21, 2017 at 11:48 AM
>> Those multi-valve vacuum blocks (driven by the ACC) seem to be fairly
>> unreliable. (Our SEL has two of these in there, where one normally goes.
>> I mixed and matched working valves from the two to get a full operating
>> set.) This on top of the usual soldering problems inside the ACC units,
>> the inevitable failing rubber within the vacuum pods, and the occasional
>> broken linkage on the footwell flaps.
>> 
>> Lack of heat in the footwells could be any/all of these.
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I solved that in the first SDL by sticking a 2x4 in the foot vent to 
hold them open.   (After paying thousands to replace PBU, Monovalve, 
Circulation pump, vacuum solenoids, vacuum pods, etc.)



Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
December 21, 2017 at 11:48 AM
Those multi-valve vacuum blocks (driven by the ACC) seem to be fairly
unreliable. (Our SEL has two of these in there, where one normally goes.
I mixed and matched working valves from the two to get a full operating
set.) This on top of the usual soldering problems inside the ACC units,
the inevitable failing rubber within the vacuum pods, and the occasional
broken linkage on the footwell flaps.

Lack of heat in the footwells could be any/all of these.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Those multi-valve vacuum blocks (driven by the ACC) seem to be fairly
unreliable.  (Our SEL has two of these in there, where one normally goes.
I mixed and matched working valves from the two to get a full operating
set.)  This on top of the usual soldering problems inside the ACC units,
the inevitable failing rubber within the vacuum pods, and the occasional
broken linkage on the footwell flaps.

Lack of heat in the footwells could be any/all of these.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Relatively easy diagnostic test is to swap out the ACC module for a good
used one.

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’m going to be pulling my glove box today to determine if my foam hose is
> rotted out or fallen off and replace if necessary.
> In addition to this issue I have almost no heat going to the foot wells on
> either side. The Push Button Unit seems to be working as there is a
> corresponding change in air flow volume from the defrost area and the upper
> side vents when when I change selections. FYI the center vents do not
> function correctly with air conditioning setting. I believe the pod
> controlling this is broken as it stopped working last year.
> Any thoughts about the no heat in the foot wells?
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> Michael E. Esh
>
>
> > On Nov 28, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Jim Cathey 
> wrote:
> >
> > Failure to regulate a proper temperature is usually due to a rotted foam
> hose under the dash.  Hardware store pipe insulation may be used to replace
> the rotted-out segment.
> >
> > On that system, the common failure points, in no particular order:
> >
> > 1) Torn monovalve diaphragm
> > 2) Cracked solder joints inside the pushbutton unit.
> > 3) Rotted foam hose going to the cabin temperature sensor.
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If you’re getting heat elsewhere in the system I would assume the vacuum 
actuator for the footwell flap has failed.

Time to get the MityVac out and go at things.

-D


> On Dec 21, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m going to be pulling my glove box today to determine if my foam hose is 
> rotted out or fallen off and replace if necessary. 
> In addition to this issue I have almost no heat going to the foot wells on 
> either side. The Push Button Unit seems to be working as there is a 
> corresponding change in air flow volume from the defrost area and the upper 
> side vents when when I change selections. FYI the center vents do not 
> function correctly with air conditioning setting. I believe the pod 
> controlling this is broken as it stopped working last year. 
> Any thoughts about the no heat in the foot wells?
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> Michael E. Esh
> 
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>> 
>> Failure to regulate a proper temperature is usually due to a rotted foam 
>> hose under the dash.  Hardware store pipe insulation may be used to replace 
>> the rotted-out segment.
>> 
>> On that system, the common failure points, in no particular order:
>> 
>> 1) Torn monovalve diaphragm
>> 2) Cracked solder joints inside the pushbutton unit.
>> 3) Rotted foam hose going to the cabin temperature sensor.
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] New Heater Question was foam hose, now lack of heat in foot wells.

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

I’m going to be pulling my glove box today to determine if my foam hose is 
rotted out or fallen off and replace if necessary. 
In addition to this issue I have almost no heat going to the foot wells on 
either side. The Push Button Unit seems to be working as there is a 
corresponding change in air flow volume from the defrost area and the upper 
side vents when when I change selections. FYI the center vents do not function 
correctly with air conditioning setting. I believe the pod controlling this is 
broken as it stopped working last year. 
Any thoughts about the no heat in the foot wells?
Thanks,
Mike

Michael E. Esh


> On Nov 28, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> Failure to regulate a proper temperature is usually due to a rotted foam hose 
> under the dash.  Hardware store pipe insulation may be used to replace the 
> rotted-out segment.
> 
> On that system, the common failure points, in no particular order:
> 
> 1) Torn monovalve diaphragm
> 2) Cracked solder joints inside the pushbutton unit.
> 3) Rotted foam hose going to the cabin temperature sensor.
> 
> -- Jim
> 

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