Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
Several people I know are now just putting their stuff on github pages[1]. Looks like it requires system resources that I do not have, and do not intend to procure. I am _very_ much against the widespread attitude that machines older than a couple of years should not be supported. My feeble little pages work(ed) on any browser ever made, and were maintained with emacs and ftp, tools that pre-date the web itself. (As do I!) Not flashy, but functional. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
Amusingly, the actual machines are unchanged from 5 years ago, and possibly as much as ten as far a processors and speed go. Might have more memory, but not that much. Processor speed stalled in about 2008, it's impossible to air-cool silicon over about 3GHz, and the memory access bottleneck hasn't changed a bit, either. So the difference between a 5 year old machine and a brand new of of the same specifications (and they are just about identical) is lower price today and a different box. Most desktops have a tiny MOBO now that the same circuitry is in use and has been put on fewer VLSI chips, but as far as operation goes, no change. Software has changed quite a bit, but not for the better. Windows 7 is a resource hog (like very version of Windows ever sold) and Windows 8 stinks -- there is a reason so many operations have stuck with XP. It sucks, and is so transparent to virus and hacking you might as well post what you are doing on the outside of your building, but it works, and NONE of the high value proprietary business software moves over. I have to retire a piece of equipment very soon because the manufacturer will not write software that runs under W7, although the equipment works as well as ever (which is to say, manages). The original software appears to have been written by a high school kid, really terrible stuff. I've not seen a divide by zero error that locks up the computer anywhere else for a long, long time! We may be reaching the end of the digital craze -- I've seen way too many later model MBs in the junkyard, undamaged. $5000 for a pair of computers because the brake lights won't work, and no promise that replacing the do everything computers will fix it. On top of that, internet aware cars subject to virus infestation and drive by wire is just plain stupid. Once cars start going out of control and killing people we may remember that mechanical steering is not only cheaper, but it's impossible to hack into a hydraulic pump and mechanical valves. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
Processor speed stalled in about 2008, it's impossible to air-cool silicon over about 3GHz, and the memory access bottleneck hasn't changed a bit, either. What's more, when your system demands 10x the electrical power to get 2x the speed, and as prices of electricity continue to escalate, people will start to notice! I have. I'm trying to put together a free G4 tower mac as a backup server, even though we have a spare G5 that would do it much easier, because it draws about 40W versus the 250W or so of the G5. The rampant inefficiency of current software is truly disgusting, especially to a guy that knows what the raw hardware is capable of. My now-ancient Pismo laptop is capable of running several full-screen movies at once, horsepower-wise, yet it cannot surf basic web sites anymore. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
Adobe Flash, the original CPU killer. There is a reason that Jobs refused to allow it on his newer stuff. CPU usage goes to 100% when you start Flash, even though it is doing nothing. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
I took everything related to Adobe Flash I could find off my computer when I read that it had several unfixed holes in its security, but its invitations to be downloaded still keep popping up on various websites. Are the websites the source or is there still some Adobe Flash program on my computer that's doing it? I'm using Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird which someone mentioned in relation to Adobe Flash. I'm also using Adobe Reader. Thanks, Gerry On 6/10/2014 10:24 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: Adobe Flash, the original CPU killer. There is a reason that Jobs refused to allow it on his newer stuff. CPU usage goes to 100% when you start Flash, even though it is doing nothing. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
It's probably the website Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2014, at 10:15 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I took everything related to Adobe Flash I could find off my computer when I read that it had several unfixed holes in its security, but its invitations to be downloaded still keep popping up on various websites. Are the websites the source or is there still some Adobe Flash program on my computer that's doing it? I'm using Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird which someone mentioned in relation to Adobe Flash. I'm also using Adobe Reader. Thanks, Gerry On 6/10/2014 10:24 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: Adobe Flash, the original CPU killer. There is a reason that Jobs refused to allow it on his newer stuff. CPU usage goes to 100% when you start Flash, even though it is doing nothing. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
You would be proud of me... I run a Mac Pro 1,1 (2006) that has an EFI firmware update to a 2,1 using a boot loader to run OSX 10.9 if I wish. Working on ways to run OSX 10 on it should be successful soon. I have a 120GB SSD as a boot drive, 14GB RAM (nearly all scrounged) and just recently bought a couple of 5355 SLAEG CPUs for $50 to bump it from four processors at 2.0GHz to eight running at 2.6GHz. Last night I installed an ATI 5850 graphics card flashed with the proper EFI so I get boot screens. It's an antique, but there is a large contingent of Mac enthusiasts with these and some willing code writers who keep finding ways around the 32 bit EFI they are crippled with. I love it and can't imagine using anything else. MacDan Sent from my iPad On Jun 10, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Several people I know are now just putting their stuff on github pages[1]. Looks like it requires system resources that I do not have, and do not intend to procure. I am _very_ much against the widespread attitude that machines older than a couple of years should not be supported. My feeble little pages work(ed) on any browser ever made, and were maintained with emacs and ftp, tools that pre-date the web itself. (As do I!) Not flashy, but functional. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net writes: Several people I know are now just putting their stuff on github pages[1]. Looks like it requires system resources that I do not have, and do not intend to procure. I am _very_ much against the widespread attitude that machines older than a couple of years should not be supported. My feeble little pages work(ed) on any browser ever made, and were maintained with emacs and ftp, tools that pre-date the web itself. (As do I!) Not flashy, but functional. I'm right there with you. My newest computer is from 2007, a salvage item, running OpenBSD. Other one is a G4 MacBook still chugging along. Perhaps I'm missing something on the requirements. You mean the requirements to use git (very minimal, install the command-line utility; you don't need the fancy GUI tools) or the requirements to actually view the github pages (may require JavaScript and a current browser, as many blog type sites now do, but I don't think this is the case. I haven't verified that though). Alternatively you can provision a small virtual server on something like DigitalOcean for $5/month, install Apache or NGINX and serve static HTML from there. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 07:16:12 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Processor speed stalled in about 2008, it's impossible to air-cool silicon over about 3GHz, and the memory access bottleneck hasn't changed a bit, either. What's more, when your system demands 10x the electrical power to get 2x the speed, and as prices of electricity continue to escalate, people will start to notice! I have gone the low-power route with our computers. We have: ASUS M4A785TD-M EVO AM3 AMD 785G micro ATX motherboardAMD AD605EHDGIBOX Athlon II X4 605e 2.3GHz 2MB Cache AM3 45W Quad-Core Processor along with 4 GB DDR3 RAM (which takes less power than DDR2) It takes 43 W with one disk running and the second unmounted and at standby. More than enough horsepower for our uses, even running COMSOL. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
I disagree with this, although clock speeds aren't increasing anymore we're seeing more and more cores so 6 core processors aren't uncommon anymore. 64bit operating systems allow much more RAM in the computer which has been a huge boon to high demand applications like our video and audio editing applications where desktop systems with 16 or 32GB of RAM are not uncommon. Win7 is bigger than WinXP but considerably less bloated than WinVista. I make images of the machines in my classroom, Clonezilla will make a WinXP image in about 6GB, WinVista is more like 28GB while Win7 is only maybe 7 or 8GB. Its easy to say the OS is bloated but it has to be everything to everybody, provide support for many different hardware manufacturers and run all sorts of software while still costing less to make than it can be sold for. Sure theres lazy code but its kind of the nature of the beast... -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 08:29:23 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: file server Message-ID: 3ae2ff27-13f0-4866-a982-a72c6435b...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Amusingly, the actual machines are unchanged from 5 years ago, and possibly as much as ten as far a processors and speed go. Might have more memory, but not that much. Processor speed stalled in about 2008, it's impossible to air-cool silicon over about 3GHz, and the memory access bottleneck hasn't changed a bit, either. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
Have you looked at the Raspberry Pi? I'm thinking about finally building one, I want to put it in a 9inch Mac chassis. I've got a 512K I'd gutted for a fish tank but never finished building. Now I want to make it a retro gaming station. I bought a USB to Atari joystick adapter that works a treat. I want to setup port duplicators so everything looks right. The whole computer will run off 5v 2a plus whatever I'll need for a very small LCD monitor. Not the highest horsepower computer around but plenty to run an Atari emulator. -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 07:16:12 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: file server Message-ID: c6a96144-f0a9-11e3-bdfc-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Processor speed stalled in about 2008, it's impossible to air-cool silicon over about 3GHz, and the memory access bottleneck hasn't changed a bit, either. What's more, when your system demands 10x the electrical power to get 2x the speed, and as prices of electricity continue to escalate, people will start to notice! I have. I'm trying to put together a free G4 tower mac as a backup server, even though we have a spare G5 that would do it much easier, because it draws about 40W versus the 250W or so of the G5. The rampant inefficiency of current software is truly disgusting, especially to a guy that knows what the raw hardware is capable of. My now-ancient Pismo laptop is capable of running several full-screen movies at once, horsepower-wise, yet it cannot surf basic web sites anymore. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
Perhaps I'm missing something on the requirements. Right on the front it says it requires the 10.9 OS. Or was it 10.7? Either way, game over. I also don't relish the thought of being on vandal patrol forever. Our machines run 10.2 through 10.6. Most are on 10.5 right now. Only one _can_ run 10.6, the G5's are all very happy with 10.5, the G4's and G3's are running 10.4, except for the nascent 400 MHz G4 file-server that has 10.5 wedged onto it, with difficulty, one HD-limited Pismo that's on 10.3, and the lowly Beige G3 (our first OSX machine, and upon which I write) is trailing at 10.2.8. Alternatively you can provision a small virtual server on something like DigitalOcean for $5/month, install Apache or NGINX and serve static HTML from there. Least expensive fraction of a _real_ server I can get is, so far, estimated at about $10/year. A friend suggests that I host it myself, at home. Need some sort of DNS trickery in order to handle the non-static IP address of our router. But the bandwidth needs are low, and I could put my own bandwidth limits on it, etc. There's about 100MB of static content, and we have about a 4Mbps pipe that's up 24x7 now. And we never UP-load, that side of the pipe is pretty much going to waste. I'm not sure whether you can get the search engines to index your site if you do that, though. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net writes: Perhaps I'm missing something on the requirements. Right on the front it says it requires the 10.9 OS. Or was it 10.7? Either way, game over. That's for the github GUI tool. You can do everything from the command line assuming you can find a way to install the git utilities, which at this point may prove to be tedious on an older Mac OS X but I don't think impossible. However, sounds like this is just not really the solution you're looking for. A friend suggests that I host it myself, at home. Need some sort of DNS trickery in order to handle the non-static IP address of our router. But the bandwidth needs are low, and I could put my own bandwidth limits on it, etc. Yes, you can do this. Dynamic DNS. There are many providers. ISPs don't like it, and it bay technically violate their terms of service, but from what I've heard most won't bother you about a low-volume site. I'm not sure whether you can get the search engines to index your site if you do that, though. No idea. At best it will not enhance your site's ranking. It may hurt it. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 18:52:04 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: A friend suggests that I host it myself, at home. Need some sort of DNS trickery in order to handle the non-static IP address of our router. Lt. Don (Wonko the Sane) had some web pages hosted, IIRC, dyndns.com or some such so he could host pages from home. But the bandwidth needs are low, and I could put my own bandwidth limits on it, etc. There's about 100MB of static content, and we have about a 4Mbps pipe that's up 24x7 now. And we never UP-load, that side of the pipe is pretty much going to waste. I think that side is pretty much going to waste for all of us. I'm not sure whether you can get the search engines to index your site if you do that, though. Good question. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
Thanks, Kaleb. Not much can be done about it then, I suppose. Seems to be more and more in your face popups and advertising on various websites. I wonder if such popups are a problem on other OSs; Linux, BSD, etc.; or on email clients other than Mozilla Thunderbird? Gerry On 6/10/2014 12:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: It's probably the website Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2014, at 10:15 AM,arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I took everything related to Adobe Flash I could find off my computer when I read that it had several unfixed holes in its security, but its invitations to be downloaded still keep popping up on various websites. Are the websites the source or is there still some Adobe Flash program on my computer that's doing it? I'm using Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird which someone mentioned in relation to Adobe Flash. I'm also using Adobe Reader. Thanks, Gerry On 6/10/2014 10:24 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: Adobe Flash, the original CPU killer. There is a reason that Jobs refused to allow it on his newer stuff. CPU usage goes to 100% when you start Flash, even though it is doing nothing. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:52:49 -0400 arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thanks, Kaleb. Not much can be done about it then, I suppose. Seems to be more and more in your face popups and advertising on various websites. I wonder if such popups are a problem on other OSs; Linux, BSD, etc.; or on email clients other than Mozilla Thunderbird? Gerry If you are using a Mozilla product (Firefox or SeaMonkey) get the Add-on NoScript. It does wonders for pop-ups and other things. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
. Original Message From:CraigSent:Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:04 PMTo:Mercedes Discussion ListReply To:Mercedes Discussion ListSubject:Re: [MBZ] OT: file serverOn Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:52:49 -0400 "arche...@embarqmail.com"arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thanks, Kaleb. Not much can be done about it then, I suppose. Seems to be more and more "in your face" popups and advertising on various websites. I wonder if such popups are a problem on other OSs; Linux, BSD, etc.; or on email clients other than Mozilla Thunderbird? GerryIf you are using a Mozilla product (Firefox or SeaMonkey) get the Add-onNoScript. It does wonders for pop-ups and other things.I also use Ad block plus. No pop ups, no side bar ads. It make Web browsing so much more pleasant. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: file server
Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net writes: I would have just put this on my web site, but I believe I may have lost it. I am considering free/low-cost options. Anybody have any good suggestions for a static-content site? It looks like maybe $20/year is a reasonable aspiration for something that might work. Half of that is a domain name. Several people I know are now just putting their stuff on github pages[1]. The nice thing is everything is version controlled in github so you can always recover if you screw something up. You can write in straight HTML, or if you want to get fancy, use jekyll[2]. [1] https://pages.github.com/ [2] https://help.github.com/articles/using-jekyll-with-pages ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
