Re: [MBZ] OT - electric vehicle
On Sat, 2 Aug 2014 04:29:40 -0400 Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: One part that worries me is mention of a super capacitor which is loss-less. THAT would be huge, but I'm not holding my breath Supercapacitors are already on the market. Only problem is they are rather expensive. They are a lot lower loss than a chemical battery, they do have some loss (you cannot have current flowing through a wire without having some loss -- unless you have a superconductor, and room-temperature superconductors are a ways off yet). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - electric vehicle
This part seems innovative, and may overcome a significant shortfall of current battery technology: ...recharging them [flow cell batteries] does not take hours and hours. All that is required to recharge them is to exchange spent electrolytes (which can be recharged outside the vehicle) for new, charged fluid. Sounds like when the electrical charge gets low, the driver goes to a fueling station and drains off the spent fluid(s) and then refills with charged fluid(s). One part that worries me is mention of a super capacitor which is loss-less. THAT would be huge, but I'm not holding my breath However, lots of promises and little substance. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - electric vehicle
On Aug 1, 2014 9:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: a claimed top speed of about 217mph and would accelerate from zero to 62mph That's not unreasonable for an electric car. Of course you are paying for that in range, but I gather it is a lot of fun... :) seconds. Nanoflowcell, its Germany-based builder, says the technology There is a discussion by knowledgeable EVers here: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/28239-NanoFlowcell-Quant That was the highest non-advertising link on the Google for Nanoflowcell. For me, that's the biggest red flag - no outside research discussion, no progression of technology, just a slick ad man who somehow miraculously leapfrogged a huge number of worldwide chemists to come up with a product to sell. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'll save my money... Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - electric vehicle
Yes, I think you nailed it! Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Aug 1, 2014 9:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This sounds too good to be true ??? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - electric vehicle
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/others/2014-quant-e-sportlimousine-ar162177.html That Tesla club thread that Tim linked was pretty good. http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/28239-NanoFlowcell-Quant ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - electric vehicle
Why do I see sale of stock as the next move toward production? Just perhaps, the idea of having exchangeable liquids to give instant recharge is the quantum leap forward away from the limitation of heavy and expensive batteries that take hours to recharge and have a finite life cycle of number of total times they can be charged. I question however, the real world cost of production of this special liquid battery , it's handling, and ultimately, it's disposal. Also, what happens when you get T-boned and the tanks rupture sending the two liquids together? On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, I think you nailed it! Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Aug 1, 2014 9:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This sounds too good to be true ??? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - electric vehicle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxyjGNq0y5U --R On 8/2/14 2:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Also, what happens when you get T-boned and the tanks rupture sending the two liquids together? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - electric vehicle
LOL - probably right on! I also like how they describe electric cars as The e-Sportlimousine emits no particulate or noxious emissions. as if there are no emissions from the generation of that electricity in the first place. Very irresponsible reporting. On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxyjGNq0y5U --R Also, what happens when you get T-boned and the tanks rupture sending the two liquids together? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - electric vehicle
Sum Ting Wong Design and Construction Company Approved bidder. The automatic trenching is part of the rebuild design plan, very clever don't you think? [ Since China has the practice of executing public officials who fail, I'm taking bets someone is on a swift boat outta there about now.] On the subject of liquid batteries for electric cars ... could this be the result in a crash? Inquiring minds want to know.. Perhaps they could merge with Chevy Volt and have a total and complete disaster with government funding and rebates? [Snark off ] On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 1:00 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: LOL - probably right on! I also like how they describe electric cars as The e-Sportlimousine emits no particulate or noxious emissions. as if there are no emissions from the generation of that electricity in the first place. Very irresponsible reporting. On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxyjGNq0y5U --R Also, what happens when you get T-boned and the tanks rupture sending the two liquids together? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - electric vehicle
Also, what happens when you get T-boned and the tanks rupture sending the two liquids together? Don One tank in the front; the other tank in the back. How often do both ends of a vehicle get crushed? I remember all the fuss about the dangers of gasoline back in the '30s. Some of it was real back then, but invention and innovation eliminated most of the risks, and today it's pretty safe. If such a system as this proves to be efficient, profitable, and relatively safe, it will probably be adopted IMO. Personally I think solar will be the energy source of the future. People here in North Florida will tell you that Dupont, Floridas largest landowner, has not planted seedlings in large areas of their wooded property which was clear cut. They suspect the clear cut land is planned for solar farms. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - electric vehicle
That's our China not the filthy dirty commie reds --R On 8/2/14 4:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: [ Since China has the practice of executing public officials who fail, I'm taking bets someone is on a swift boat outta there about now.] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - electric vehicle
You need to be able to store solar energy, it's not energy on demand -- and that's one of the potential uses for a battery like this, if it's really all they say it is. On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Personally I think solar will be the energy source of the future. People here in North Florida will tell you that Dupont, Floridas largest landowner, has not planted seedlings in large areas of their wooded property which was clear cut. They suspect the clear cut land is planned for solar farms. Gerry -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - electric vehicle
OK wrote: as if there are no emissions from the generation of that electricity in the first place. Very irresponsible reporting. But typical. Nay, not just typical but so common as to be nearly guaranteed! Better called, remote emission rather than zero emission - but who really expects _truth_ from the media... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - electric vehicle
On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 20:19:45 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This sounds too good to be true ??? *An electric car, but where are the batteries?* The Quant e-Sportlimousine uses so-called “flow-cell” technology with two tanks filled with different liquid electrolytes to store energy. http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140801-the-217mph-electric-lab The company's page is http://nanoflowcell.com/en#home When you go there, there is a long YouTube video and precious little else. Is it too good to be true? I guess we will have to wait and see. Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 130 kmi '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 267 kmi (need to fix leaking oil pressure gauge) '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville Van (affectionately dubbed the BRV, Big Red Van) Past: '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
