Re: [MBZ] OT this is some scary stuff

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

At MIT there were 3 Vietnamese young gents who lived in the library. They had 
sleeping bags they kept under a table in a back corner, took turns snoozing 
under the table, ate in the cafeteria, used the gym locker room for (minimal) 
hygiene activities and other facilities for personal relief (of all sorts). 
Minimalist. Studied constantly. Probably billionaires now back in Ho Chi Minh 
City. 

--FT
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> On Feb 4, 2020, at 10:45 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> They lived like standard college kids in the dorms at first then move out as 
> they became more mature.

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Re: [MBZ] OT this is some scary stuff

[Clay via Mercedes]

The university population in Seattle during the 80’s and 90’s was made up of 
many asian students. Mostly from Japan, and a sprinkle of Koreans who had the 
cash to pay out of state.  They lived like standard college kids in the dorms 
at first then move out as they became more mature.

With the hand over of Hong Kong, the population swiftly changed to mainland 
Chinese, en masse. Most of the emigres were headed to Vancouver BC, but some 
decided to invest in the Dot Com companies.  Then the Little Princes showed up 
and forced the local students out of spots at the university.  They did not 
live on campus, and the parents were paying close to $30k tuition to a state 
school.

About a decade ago there were home shopping tours to pluck up housing for the 
new students.  Mummies and Daddies would be driven around in black Suburbans by 
Mandarin speaking realtor/investment types.  The modest home across the street 
from me sold to one of those groups.  Like ants on a carcass they had asian 
work crews crawling all over the house for a few months, then come Autumn, 
there were an inscrutable number of young men in residence.  I could never 
figure out if there were half a dozen or ten, as there was crack house traffic 
comings and goings.  By Spring semester the high end cars started showing up.  
Mostly BMW, Benz, Porsche, a few Mini (for the poorer kid) maybe purchased or 
leased.  S class, 7 series, G wagon, AMGs, many drop tops moved through the 
neighborhood.  

Each beginning of school year would see another few sets of parents deposit a 
child, and come summer, parents could be seen hauling one or another child 
away.  The kids all looked the same to me, but for the spindly gal, 190cm tall 
with coochie cut skirts, dressed in black.  I am pretty sure she did not live 
there.

Some time in 2019 the asians moved out and I think keep the place as a rental 
(current residents a young family) until another batch/horde of students can be 
found.  It was a good investment, as the thing is valued close to seven figures 
and purchased at $400k, due to the previous owner being a heavy smoker.

clay 


> On Feb 4, 2020, at 3:19 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I was at MIT 77-79 there was a fairly large contingent of Chinese 
> students, most grad students. A lot at Hahvahd too. I think they got up to 
> nearly half at some point, not sure now what the fraction is. Was similar at 
> BU too. They pay tuition cash with a premium so that’s attractive to the 
> administration. It always kinda bothered me that “we” educated our 
> competition to learn how to kick our @$$e$. I figured it would be better to 
> allow them to stay here so they could work and be entrepreneurs and 
> capitalists but I guess if they had families at home that could be leverage 
> for them to support the commie regime with whatever nefarious activities they 
> were asked to do. 
> 
> I had a buddy who taught and researched at Baylor in biology, whenever they 
> would post a job opening for a post-doc they would immediately get hundreds 
> of applicants from China, all with amazing resumes. They seldom hired one 
> just because it was problematic in several practical ways but the pool was 
> extremely large. He was quite liberal in his political beliefs but in this 
> aspect was quite jingoistic about US v. China. 
> 
> Hong Kong business people seem to have had enough of the regime and are 
> voting with their feet...  that is a positive for “our” side. 
> 
> Just remember that the top 10% of their high school graduates outnumber our 
> total high school population... and the culture strongly values education...
> 
> --FT

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Re: [MBZ] OT this is some scary stuff

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Pretty much the same at every research 1 univ.


Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
February 4, 2020 at 9:20 PM
Situation similar at Stanford engineering grad school when I was 
there, '85-'87.





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Re: [MBZ] OT this is some scary stuff

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Situation similar at Stanford engineering grad school when I was there, 
'85-'87.  

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:19 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT this is some scary stuff
> 
> When I was at MIT 77-79 there was a fairly large contingent of Chinese
> students, most grad students. A lot at Hahvahd too. I think they got up to
> nearly half at some point, not sure now what the fraction is. Was similar at 
> BU
> too. They pay tuition cash with a premium so that’s attractive to the
> administration. It always kinda bothered me that “we” educated our
> competition to learn how to kick our @$$e$. I figured it would be better to
> allow them to stay here so they could work and be entrepreneurs and
> capitalists but I guess if they had families at home that could be leverage 
> for
> them to support the commie regime with whatever nefarious activities they
> were asked to do.
> 
> I had a buddy who taught and researched at Baylor in biology, whenever they
> would post a job opening for a post-doc they would immediately get hundreds
> of applicants from China, all with amazing resumes. They seldom hired one just
> because it was problematic in several practical ways but the pool was
> extremely large. He was quite liberal in his political beliefs but in this 
> aspect
> was quite jingoistic about US v. China.
> 
> Hong Kong business people seem to have had enough of the regime and are
> voting with their feet...  that is a positive for “our” side.
> 
> Just remember that the top 10% of their high school graduates outnumber our
> total high school population... and the culture strongly values education...
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 4, 2020, at 2:59 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > yeah, here's another reason the chicomms would lie:
> >
> > Wuhan Institute of Virology is in the area. This is
> >China’s most advanced virus research laboratory, but until we know
> >more about the real source of this virus, it would be too
> >conspiratorial to make further judgments about cause and effect links
> >to China's biowarfare program. Participants: Dr. Dana Cheng,
> >Dan Elmendorf.
> >
> > oops!
> >
> >
> >   These rulers are NOT our friends.
> >
> > questions to ponder:
> > 1.  Where would China be had they not persuaded American companies to
> let them manufacture our products, and steal all our IP and technology?
> remember Billy bob gave them ICBMs on a platter.
> > 2.  Had Nixon not opened china to trade, would they have also collapsed
> under their own weight about the same time the USSR collapsed?
> > 3.  How many illegal aliens in the country are chinese?
> > 4.  How many chinese in this country are actually spies?  (naturalized 
> > Citizen,
> Legal, illegal, student visa, work visa etc.)  I suspect the number is so 
> large it
> would shock you.
> >
> >
> >
> > Craig via Mercedes wrote on 2/3/20 11:38 PM:
> >> Wuhan Institute of Virology is in the area. This is
> >> China’s most advanced virus research laboratory, but until we know
> >> more about the real source of this virus, it would be too
> >> conspiratorial to make further judgments about cause and effect links
> >> to China's biowarfare program. Participants: Dr. Dana Cheng,
> >> Dan Elmendorf.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT this is some scary stuff

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Did you mean Asian?

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 8:02 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> and respects old folks. All oriental folks I have met are great.  I have
> great respect for the people of China.  just not their gummit.
>
> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote on 2/4/20 6:19 AM:
> > Just remember that the top 10% of their high school graduates outnumber
> our total high school population... and the culture strongly values
> education...
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT this is some scary stuff

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

and respects old folks. All oriental folks I have met are great.  I have 
great respect for the people of China.  just not their gummit.


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote on 2/4/20 6:19 AM:

Just remember that the top 10% of their high school graduates outnumber our 
total high school population... and the culture strongly values education...



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Re: [MBZ] OT this is some scary stuff

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

When I was at MIT 77-79 there was a fairly large contingent of Chinese 
students, most grad students. A lot at Hahvahd too. I think they got up to 
nearly half at some point, not sure now what the fraction is. Was similar at BU 
too. They pay tuition cash with a premium so that’s attractive to the 
administration. It always kinda bothered me that “we” educated our competition 
to learn how to kick our @$$e$. I figured it would be better to allow them to 
stay here so they could work and be entrepreneurs and capitalists but I guess 
if they had families at home that could be leverage for them to support the 
commie regime with whatever nefarious activities they were asked to do. 

I had a buddy who taught and researched at Baylor in biology, whenever they 
would post a job opening for a post-doc they would immediately get hundreds of 
applicants from China, all with amazing resumes. They seldom hired one just 
because it was problematic in several practical ways but the pool was extremely 
large. He was quite liberal in his political beliefs but in this aspect was 
quite jingoistic about US v. China. 

Hong Kong business people seem to have had enough of the regime and are voting 
with their feet...  that is a positive for “our” side. 

Just remember that the top 10% of their high school graduates outnumber our 
total high school population... and the culture strongly values education...

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Feb 4, 2020, at 2:59 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> yeah, here's another reason the chicomms would lie:
> 
> Wuhan Institute of Virology is in the area. This is
>China’s most advanced virus research laboratory, but until we know
>more about the real source of this virus, it would be too
>conspiratorial to make further judgments about cause and effect links
>to China's biowarfare program. Participants: Dr. Dana Cheng,
>Dan Elmendorf.
> 
> oops!
> 
> 
>   These rulers are NOT our friends.
> 
> questions to ponder:
> 1.  Where would China be had they not persuaded American companies to let 
> them manufacture our products, and steal all our IP and technology?  remember 
> Billy bob gave them ICBMs on a platter.
> 2.  Had Nixon not opened china to trade, would they have also collapsed under 
> their own weight about the same time the USSR collapsed?
> 3.  How many illegal aliens in the country are chinese?
> 4.  How many chinese in this country are actually spies?  (naturalized 
> Citizen, Legal, illegal, student visa, work visa etc.)  I suspect the number 
> is so large it would shock you.
> 
> 
> 
> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 2/3/20 11:38 PM:
>> Wuhan Institute of Virology is in the area. This is
>> China’s most advanced virus research laboratory, but until we know
>> more about the real source of this virus, it would be too
>> conspiratorial to make further judgments about cause and effect links
>> to China's biowarfare program. Participants: Dr. Dana Cheng,
>> Dan Elmendorf.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT this is some scary stuff

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yeah, here's another reason the chicomms would lie:

Wuhan Institute of Virology is in the area. This is
China’s most advanced virus research laboratory, but until we know
more about the real source of this virus, it would be too
conspiratorial to make further judgments about cause and effect links
to China's biowarfare program. Participants: Dr. Dana Cheng,
Dan Elmendorf.

oops!


   These rulers are NOT our friends.

 questions to ponder:
1.  Where would China be had they not persuaded American companies to let them 
manufacture our products, and steal all our IP and technology?  remember Billy 
bob gave them ICBMs on a platter.
2.  Had Nixon not opened china to trade, would they have also collapsed under 
their own weight about the same time the USSR collapsed?
3.  How many illegal aliens in the country are chinese?
4.  How many chinese in this country are actually spies?  (naturalized Citizen, 
Legal, illegal, student visa, work visa etc.)  I suspect the number is so large 
it would shock you.



Craig via Mercedes wrote on 2/3/20 11:38 PM:

Wuhan Institute of Virology is in the area. This is
 China’s most advanced virus research laboratory, but until we know
 more about the real source of this virus, it would be too
 conspiratorial to make further judgments about cause and effect links
 to China's biowarfare program. Participants: Dr. Dana Cheng,
 Dan Elmendorf.



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Re: [MBZ] OT this is some scary stuff

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 3 Feb 2020 22:16:38 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> you can bet the numbers of dead and sick in china are a multiple over 
> the numbers the chicoms release.   What that multiplier is, we don't 
> know yet.

Shirley and I listen to Redeemer Broadcasting here at home (streamed over
the Internet). The fellow running it produces a program played on
Saturday mornings which covers various topics.

Last Saturday, it was an interview with a Chinese woman (now a U.S.
citizen) who grew up in Wuhan about the coronavirus situation.

The program's direct link is:

   
https://s3.amazonaws.com/redeemer-broadcasting-podcasts/apa/apa_020120_The_Coronavirus--Dr_Dana_Cheng.mp3


The synopsis of the program is

A Plain Answer: The Coronavirus - Dr. Dana Cheng
Air Date: 2/1/2020
The Coronavirus - Dr. Dana Cheng
Today we talk with the Senior Editor of China News for The Epoch
Times. She is originally from Wuhan and came to the United States to
earn her PhD and is now a citizen. We talk about the Coronavirus, that
originated in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei province in China. Wuhan has
a population of 11 Million people. Of concern to Dr. Cheng was the way
in which critical information about this highly contagious virus was
initially handled inside China. She says that the first time we heard
about the virus was December 8th. Some people inside China started to
post about the virus and they were arrested by the regime. Prior to
the city being locked down on January 23, there was some 40,000
families gathered together in a "pot luck" party - some 5 days prior
to the lock down. The Communist government did not communicate the
terrible dangers to the Chinese citizens. As of this writing, well
over 1000 people have been infected in Wuhan (and just under 10,000
worldwide). The numbers are growing so fast that you need to check a
reliable news source like The Epoch Times to learn the latest. Dr.
Cheng points out that some misinformed reports claimed that people
were eating bats and became sick, but she being from the area, sets
the record straight that people do not eat bats in Wuhan. And neither
does the virus appear to be associated with seafood. A very rough
estimate is that more likely, well over 100,000 people are infected.
Initially the Communist government was claiming that human to human
transmission was not a problem! This was an outright lie. The people
in China are not allowed free speech like we have here in the states.
One effort the Chinese government is working on is creating 100,000
beds in hospitals. This lends support to the 100,000 people infected
estimate. Another fact that we don't talk much about in this interview
is that the Wuhan Institute of Virology is in the area. This is
China’s most advanced virus research laboratory, but until we know
more about the real source of this virus, it would be too
conspiratorial to make further judgments about cause and effect links
to China's biowarfare program. Participants: Dr. Dana Cheng,
Dan Elmendorf.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT this is some scary stuff

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

you can bet the numbers of dead and sick in china are a multiple over 
the numbers the chicoms release.   What that multiplier is, we don't 
know yet.



Clay via Mercedes 
February 3, 2020 at 9:26 PM
I had a good snicker seeing Guatemala shut out all Chinese from entry 
indefinitely.


I think I read on BBC last week how this is much more insidious than 
SARS, in that the symptoms are less severe in most cases, which allows 
there to be stealth contagion from those who present mild or no 
response, but are still casting off virii.


Buddy from Montreal related some possible fake news story splashed on 
CBC that it was espionage by China that caused the illness to get out 
into the wild. Something about a pair of chinese researchers from 
Winnipeg having absconded lab samples after being fired for 
inappropriate actions at their university and fleeing to their home 
country.


All I can say is I am not going to be place myself in contact with 
people in enclosed spaces for a while. Nasty, germ spewing people in 
stores, planes, buses. Outside in -10c walking the dog should be safe.



clay





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[Clay via Mercedes]

I had a good snicker seeing Guatemala shut out all Chinese from entry 
indefinitely.

I think I read on BBC last week how this is much more insidious than SARS, in 
that the symptoms are less severe in most cases, which allows there to be 
stealth contagion from those who present mild or no response, but are still 
casting off virii.

Buddy from Montreal related some possible fake news story splashed on CBC that 
it was espionage by China that caused the illness to get out into the wild.  
Something about a pair of chinese researchers from Winnipeg having absconded 
lab samples after being fired for inappropriate actions at their university and 
fleeing to their home country.  

All I can say is I am not going to be place myself in contact with people in 
enclosed spaces for a while.  Nasty, germ spewing people in stores, planes, 
buses.  Outside in -10c walking the dog should be safe.


clay 



> On Feb 3, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 3+% death rate in ground zero area, and it is spreading around China but not 
> as fatal according to the data presented here (like I believe it, the number 
> is likely much much higher, I doubt if the Chicomms are being too honest 
> here).  There now seems to be a fairly strict travel ban in place both in 
> China and the US, and other countries too I guess so that is somewhat 
> comforting.  Hong Kong has closed their border, which is probably something 
> they find ironic.
> 
> I'm guessing the Chinese economy is gonna tank fairly quickly, it will be 
> interesting to see how they deal with this.  The area where this got started 
> seems to be barely above third world conditions, which is not likely to be 
> helping much.
> 
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

So I just refreshed the site about ten minutes ago, total # of cases was
20,001.  Refreshed a minute ago, now we are at 20,155.  I think it was
around 19,500 or so when Floyd posted and the first time I clicked on the
link.

Adding 500 new cases per hour?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 6:22 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 3+% death rate in ground zero area, and it is spreading around China but
> not as fatal according to the data presented here (like I believe it,
> the number is likely much much higher, I doubt if the Chicomms are being
> too honest here).  There now seems to be a fairly strict travel ban in
> place both in China and the US, and other countries too I guess so that
> is somewhat comforting.  Hong Kong has closed their border, which is
> probably something they find ironic.
>
> I'm guessing the Chinese economy is gonna tank fairly quickly, it will
> be interesting to see how they deal with this.  The area where this got
> started seems to be barely above third world conditions, which is not
> likely to be helping much.
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
> --
> --FT
>
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No need to panic. Physical products are only a portion of Apple’s value. And 
they’ve already shifted production for things like iPhones to facilities in 
other countries. Remember, their Chairman/CEO is a logistics/supply chain guy.

-D

> On Feb 3, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We had a guest for dinner over the weekend, not an American - a legal
> immigrant, he's got professional contacts in China, the word they are
> passing him is over 8 thousand deaths so far in China, so a massive
> cover-up in the "official" numbers.
> 
> Sell your Apple stock now, soon they will have no more product to sell.
> Keep some dry powder (cash) ready to buy into the market when the
> (figurative) blood is running in the streets.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 6:22 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 3+% death rate in ground zero area, and it is spreading around China but
>> not as fatal according to the data presented here (like I believe it,
>> the number is likely much much higher, I doubt if the Chicomms are being
>> too honest here).  There now seems to be a fairly strict travel ban in
>> place both in China and the US, and other countries too I guess so that
>> is somewhat comforting.  Hong Kong has closed their border, which is
>> probably something they find ironic.
>> 
>> I'm guessing the Chinese economy is gonna tank fairly quickly, it will
>> be interesting to see how they deal with this.  The area where this got
>> started seems to be barely above third world conditions, which is not
>> likely to be helping much.
>> 
>> 
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> --FT
>> 
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

We had a guest for dinner over the weekend, not an American - a legal
immigrant, he's got professional contacts in China, the word they are
passing him is over 8 thousand deaths so far in China, so a massive
cover-up in the "official" numbers.

Sell your Apple stock now, soon they will have no more product to sell.
Keep some dry powder (cash) ready to buy into the market when the
(figurative) blood is running in the streets.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 6:22 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 3+% death rate in ground zero area, and it is spreading around China but
> not as fatal according to the data presented here (like I believe it,
> the number is likely much much higher, I doubt if the Chicomms are being
> too honest here).  There now seems to be a fairly strict travel ban in
> place both in China and the US, and other countries too I guess so that
> is somewhat comforting.  Hong Kong has closed their border, which is
> probably something they find ironic.
>
> I'm guessing the Chinese economy is gonna tank fairly quickly, it will
> be interesting to see how they deal with this.  The area where this got
> started seems to be barely above third world conditions, which is not
> likely to be helping much.
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
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