Re: [MBZ] Park your 2005 Toyota Camry
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 08:58:18 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Curly will love this one! I do too! I'm passing it on to some friends. Toyota's killer firmware: Bad design and its consequences | EDN http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Park your 2005 Toyota Camry
Curly will love this one! Toyota's killer firmware: Bad design and its consequences | EDN http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 How is it that toada has not been sued out of existence for its negligence? there are many companies that have been lawyered out of existence for making good products that nobody knew at the time were dangerous. Johns Manville and many roofing companies come to mind. Could it be that toada has immunity because it is a darling of the liberal crowd? Darling of consumer's Reports? Or is that redundant? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Park your 2005 Toyota Camry
Curly will love this one! Toyota's killer firmware: Bad design and its consequences | EDN http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 That is terrible. It certainly raises suspicion of all Toyotas. Kiichiro Toyoda would certainly not approve of how current cars are designed to operate...or not operate as desired. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Park your 2005 Toyota Camry
I think one would be justified with a new Grant rule: Don't drive or ride in a Toyota with a computer controlling the throttle! If I owned one, I think I would install a big red kill switch to cut power to that computer, mount it prominently on center dash. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On April 26, 2015 10:07:00 AM EDT, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Curly will love this one! Toyota's killer firmware: Bad design and its consequences | EDN http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 That is terrible. It certainly raises suspicion of all Toyotas. Kiichiro Toyoda would certainly not approve of how current cars are designed to operate...or not operate as desired. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Park your 2005 Toyota Camry
Hahhahah.. on the Grant Rule .. Having used up 11 of my 9 lives, I can state with conviction that feat was only possible because I required full knowledge of what risks I was taking before hand, and set the rule that I was in full control during the event [as much as humanly possible]. I suppose logic would indicate that habit carry over into my approach to all machinery. Your personal mileage may vary, however. :)) On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think one would be justified with a new Grant rule: Don't drive or ride in a Toyota with a computer controlling the throttle! If I owned one, I think I would install a big red kill switch to cut power to that computer, mount it prominently on center dash. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On April 26, 2015 10:07:00 AM EDT, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Curly will love this one! Toyota's killer firmware: Bad design and its consequences | EDN http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 That is terrible. It certainly raises suspicion of all Toyotas. Kiichiro Toyoda would certainly not approve of how current cars are designed to operate...or not operate as desired. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Park your 2005 Toyota Camry
With all possible respect offered to the gentlemen of this august group who are employed as computer or software experts. I once again raise the thought that trusting our lives to the control of micro bits of data, transmitted via microscopic electrical pathways, via tiny bits of electrical current, presents a clear and present danger of failure which can not be controlled by the operator, namely myself. In an earlier discussion regarding fly by wire airliners, carrying thousands of passengers daily, I raised the same concern. I did then believe, and still do believe, we have taken a path of machinery design which progressively migrates toward failure. Ultimately, either in an airplane, or a car, at the instant I take the controls, I become responsible for it's operation, which means, in practical fact, I have accepted, in the case above, the substandard and dangerous workmanship of the maker without full knowledge of what he has done. For myself, I'm surprised the computer control systems work as well as it does and more people are not killed. Certainly, the cost of repairs has been increased and as posted earlier here, car companies are now claiming they own your car software and hardware even though they sold it to you.. strange times we live in.. I seem to recall a time when rope was used to impress folks who defrauded you with such sales contracts. On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Curly will love this one! Toyota's killer firmware: Bad design and its consequences | EDN http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Park your 2005 Toyota Camry
I will try to carry such an honor forward by not applying for the Darwin Award any time soon.. ;)) TYVM.. On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Once again, Grant, your thinking and mine coincide. Well stated! I always try to have a contingency plan. Having ridden motorsickles successfully, I always believed in having a contingency plan in every situation, and if no contingency plan was available, get off the road and find another way. I definitely used one life in a tractor rollover, where I successfully executed one contingency plan. I am probably somewhere between 8 and 11 used up... I propose we make the Grant Rule a permanent part of the history and vocabulary, at least of this group! Friends don't let friends drive or ride in Toadas! Friends don't let friends ride in airbusses. The story may shed some light on the death of my daughter's friend, but that toada was newer and i think was a corrolla. I think a switch switch that shuts off the fuel pump when the airbags are deployed might have saved her life. But it is possible that the toada ran away first and caused the collision. Hahhahah.. on the Grant Rule .. Having used up 11 of my 9 lives, I can state with conviction that feat was only possible because I required full knowledge of what risks I was taking before hand, and set the rule that I was in full control during the event [as much as humanly possible]. I suppose logic would indicate that habit carry over into my approach to all machinery. Your personal mileage may vary, however. :)) On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think one would be justified with a new Grant rule: Don't drive or ride in a Toyota with a computer controlling the throttle! If I owned one, I think I would install a big red kill switch to cut power to that computer, mount it prominently on center dash. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On April 26, 2015 10:07:00 AM EDT, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Curly will love this one! Toyota's killer firmware: Bad design and its consequences | EDN http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 That is terrible. It certainly raises suspicion of all Toyotas. Kiichiro Toyoda would certainly not approve of how current cars are designed to operate...or not operate as desired. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Park your 2005 Toyota Camry
Once again, Grant, your thinking and mine coincide. Well stated! I always try to have a contingency plan. Having ridden motorsickles successfully, I always believed in having a contingency plan in every situation, and if no contingency plan was available, get off the road and find another way. I definitely used one life in a tractor rollover, where I successfully executed one contingency plan. I am probably somewhere between 8 and 11 used up... I propose we make the Grant Rule a permanent part of the history and vocabulary, at least of this group! Friends don't let friends drive or ride in Toadas! Friends don't let friends ride in airbusses. The story may shed some light on the death of my daughter's friend, but that toada was newer and i think was a corrolla. I think a switch switch that shuts off the fuel pump when the airbags are deployed might have saved her life. But it is possible that the toada ran away first and caused the collision. Hahhahah.. on the Grant Rule .. Having used up 11 of my 9 lives, I can state with conviction that feat was only possible because I required full knowledge of what risks I was taking before hand, and set the rule that I was in full control during the event [as much as humanly possible]. I suppose logic would indicate that habit carry over into my approach to all machinery. Your personal mileage may vary, however. :)) On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think one would be justified with a new Grant rule: Don't drive or ride in a Toyota with a computer controlling the throttle! If I owned one, I think I would install a big red kill switch to cut power to that computer, mount it prominently on center dash. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On April 26, 2015 10:07:00 AM EDT, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Curly will love this one! Toyota's killer firmware: Bad design and its consequences | EDN http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 That is terrible. It certainly raises suspicion of all Toyotas. Kiichiro Toyoda would certainly not approve of how current cars are designed to operate...or not operate as desired. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
