Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
For some reason, no 240d's have the sealer, and the 300d's I think 82 or 83 and up, dont either. Craig McCluskey wrote: On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:10:13 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you feel really brave, take the (new) hood and fenders and have them prepped and sprayed, then put them on yourself. The worst part about front fender RR is getting the old seam sealer off, which takes a torch or a couple of big a** heat lamps. I changed the fender on our '82 240D/3.0 without any problems. It does not have the seam sealer gunk. I don't recall when the change was made, but later W123s, certainly, do not have the glue. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
W123 fenders are easy, especially if they don't have the stickum on the inner engine bay edges. The bad part is what you find underneath, since they usually hide the really nasty rust and corrosion, especially under the bottom rear corners at the leading edge of the door. Dan --- wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Don't know about 240D, but replacement of LF fender on my 91 126 twelve yrs ago was extremely easy; LF door, too - simple hand tools. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
$158.00 each new Genuine MB Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace? My front fenders are starting to rust right at the bottom behind the wheel, I think this is a pretty typical location for rust on a W123 from what I've seen. It is all the way through on the drivers side, just bubbling the paint on the passenger side. Thought about cutting out the rust and welding in some new metal, or would it be just as well to replace the fenders completely? That is pretty much a bolt-on job right? Are new fenders available? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
Rusty Cullens wrote: $158.00 each new Genuine MB The fun is in removing the old (which may be glued on) and paintmatching the new. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
Fortunately, I don't do body work. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace? Rusty Cullens wrote: $158.00 each new Genuine MB The fun is in removing the old (which may be glued on) and paintmatching the new. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
My hood needs to be painted anyway (no gloss) so I'd probably have a body shop paint the whole front end. The car's already been resprayed at least once so it's not a showpiece by any means. Allan -- 1983 300D Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Fortunately, I don't do body work. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
Hi Alan, Along with the option of replacing the fender with new ones is the option of cutting the old fender back to a place where there is no more rust. There are Patch Panels available to allow the replacement of just the damaged area. The new Patch Panel is welded into place, then the fender is repainted to match the existing paint. As far as removing the old fender, depending on the adhesive used, it can be devilishly difficult to remove - often requiring heat applied in large quantities. But the above is just one more option. You might find a used fender with a good lower section allowing you to make your own patch panel. Regardless of which you decide on, I suggest you put a coating of POR15 on the interior surfaces - they are normally well hidden and susceptible to rust so anythng you do to slow the rust monster down will be rewarded. You should talk to the POR people and ask what new products they have. POR is designed to go on over rust (Paint Over Rust) - if you have no rust it may not adhere as well as some other products. Good luck - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace? My front fenders are starting to rust right at the bottom behind the wheel, I think this is a pretty typical location for rust on a W123 from what I've seen. It is all the way through on the drivers side, just bubbling the paint on the passenger side. Thought about cutting out the rust and welding in some new metal, or would it be just as well to replace the fenders completely? That is pretty much a bolt-on job right? Are new fenders available? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi Alan, Along with the option of replacing the fender with new ones is the option of cutting the old fender back to a place where there is no more rust. There are Patch Panels available to allow the replacement of just the damaged area. The new Patch Panel is welded into place, then the fender is repainted to match the existing paint. Ah! I was thinking I'd have to fabricate my own patch. Who sells these patch panels? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
Why mess with a patch panel and all the related hassles when a new fender is $158? No matter how good a job your body guy does, welds will eventually bubble up and the fender will have to be replaced anyway. MB sheet metal has always been relatively cheap, IMHO, which is why I have never messed with patching... Dan --- Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah! I was thinking I'd have to fabricate my own patch. Who sells these patch panels? Allan -- 1983 300D You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
If you feel really brave, take the (new) hood and fenders and have them prepped and sprayed, then put them on yourself. The worst part about front fender RR is getting the old seam sealer off, which takes a torch or a couple of big a** heat lamps. Dan --- Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My hood needs to be painted anyway (no gloss) so I'd probably have a body shop paint the whole front end. The car's already been resprayed at least once so it's not a showpiece by any means. Allan -- 1983 300D You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
Hi Alan, I Googled Mercedes Patch Panels and quickly got 10 pages of hits - there will be lots of companies that get hits by casting a wide net - they respond to a search for Patch Panels even if they do not sell them - but once you go thru a 1/2 dozen or so you will see which ones have them and which ones don't/ Good luck - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace? LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi Alan, Along with the option of replacing the fender with new ones is the option of cutting the old fender back to a place where there is no more rust. There are Patch Panels available to allow the replacement of just the damaged area. The new Patch Panel is welded into place, then the fender is repainted to match the existing paint. Ah! I was thinking I'd have to fabricate my own patch. Who sells these patch panels? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
Why not just try a local junkyard. $185 is a good deal for OEM, DO NOT get the POS adsits. PO of my wifes wagon had replaced both fenders and hood from a junkyard find that may have been in worse shape than the original dented ones. They were all adsit and are awful. -Rolf LarryT wrote: Hi Alan, I Googled Mercedes Patch Panels and quickly got 10 pages of hits - there will be lots of companies that get hits by casting a wide net - they respond to a search for Patch Panels even if they do not sell them - but once you go thru a 1/2 dozen or so you will see which ones have them and which ones don't/ Good luck - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace? LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi Alan, Along with the option of replacing the fender with new ones is the option of cutting the old fender back to a place where there is no more rust. There are Patch Panels available to allow the replacement of just the damaged area. The new Patch Panel is welded into place, then the fender is repainted to match the existing paint. Ah! I was thinking I'd have to fabricate my own patch. Who sells these patch panels? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
If you patch the old, you'll still have to paint match the work. For $158 new, not worth messing around with the old ones. Ed 300E On 04/04/2008, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rusty Cullens wrote: $158.00 each new Genuine MB The fun is in removing the old (which may be glued on) and paintmatching the new. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:16:06 -0400, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Why not just try a local junkyard. $185 is a good deal for OEM, DO NOT get the POS adsits. PO of my wifes wagon had replaced both fenders and hood from a junkyard find that may have been in worse shape than the original dented ones. They were all adsit and are awful. I asked Kaleb once if he had any and he said most of what he had was rusted just like mine are. My paint is not factory anymore so no chance of getting paint matched ones from a junkyard. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
After 25 years, two different cars that left the factory with the same paint colour will no longer match anyway. If you're not in a real hurry for the car and on a tighter budget, you may find a local school that offers body shop classes that may do the work for their cost. Kids have to practice on something, and as they are teaching the trade, the job is often pretty good, as the work is well supervised. But, if it's your main car and you need it quick, may not be an option for you. Ed 300E On 04/04/2008, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:16:06 -0400, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Why not just try a local junkyard. $185 is a good deal for OEM, DO NOT get the POS adsits. PO of my wifes wagon had replaced both fenders and hood from a junkyard find that may have been in worse shape than the original dented ones. They were all adsit and are awful. I asked Kaleb once if he had any and he said most of what he had was rusted just like mine are. My paint is not factory anymore so no chance of getting paint matched ones from a junkyard. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
There was a salvage yard in Houston that always had a few 123s, bodies in good shape from the fairly benign situation here for metal. Not sure what has happened to it, I think it sold or something. Fenders were $35 if I recall. --R E M wrote: After 25 years, two different cars that left the factory with the same paint colour will no longer match anyway. If you're not in a real hurry for the car and on a tighter budget, you may find a local school that offers body shop classes that may do the work for their cost. Kids have to practice on something, and as they are teaching the trade, the job is often pretty good, as the work is well supervised. But, if it's your main car and you need it quick, may not be an option for you. Ed 300E On 04/04/2008, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:16:06 -0400, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Why not just try a local junkyard. $185 is a good deal for OEM, DO NOT get the POS adsits. PO of my wifes wagon had replaced both fenders and hood from a junkyard find that may have been in worse shape than the original dented ones. They were all adsit and are awful. I asked Kaleb once if he had any and he said most of what he had was rusted just like mine are. My paint is not factory anymore so no chance of getting paint matched ones from a junkyard. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
LWB250 wrote: Why mess with a patch panel and all the related hassles when a new fender is $158? No professional bodyman is going to work on a $160 fender, because his labor would be more than the new part. If you weld in a patch, you still have to paint the thing, so no savings there. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
THe reason I would consider it is to gain some more skill with the welder. But lately, time is scarce and I tend to agree that $158 is money well spent in this situation. I have a heat gun to help soften the sealer if that's a problem. Allan -- 1983 300D Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LWB250 wrote: Why mess with a patch panel and all the related hassles when a new fender is $158? No professional bodyman is going to work on a $160 fender, because his labor would be more than the new part. If you weld in a patch, you still have to paint the thing, so no savings there. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
Once the fenders are off, if you want to practice, you may find some stuff behind the fenders to weld. If the welds are less the great, not to worry, they'll be hidden once the new fenders go on. If you go with new fenders, you can always keep the old ones and mess around practicing your welds too. Ed 300E On 04/04/2008, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THe reason I would consider it is to gain some more skill with the welder. But lately, time is scarce and I tend to agree that $158 is money well spent in this situation. I have a heat gun to help soften the sealer if that's a problem. Allan -- 1983 300D Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LWB250 wrote: Why mess with a patch panel and all the related hassles when a new fender is $158? No professional bodyman is going to work on a $160 fender, because his labor would be more than the new part. If you weld in a patch, you still have to paint the thing, so no savings there. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:10:13 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you feel really brave, take the (new) hood and fenders and have them prepped and sprayed, then put them on yourself. The worst part about front fender RR is getting the old seam sealer off, which takes a torch or a couple of big a** heat lamps. I changed the fender on our '82 240D/3.0 without any problems. It does not have the seam sealer gunk. I don't recall when the change was made, but later W123s, certainly, do not have the glue. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:43:22 -0400 Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asked Kaleb once if he had any and he said most of what he had was rusted just like mine are. My paint is not factory anymore so no chance of getting paint matched ones from a junkyard. My paint is still close enough to factory that the right front fender and hood we got at the place in Rancho Cordova, CA, look like they belong -- no repainting or anything. I was VERY thankful. I did the hood and fender swap in their parking lot on the afternoon of Saturday, 30 December 2006. Ordinary hand tools, no heat source, no glue. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
