Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny
thats worth more than the whole car. Rusty Cullens wrote: Just buy a rebuilt one from me. $1595.00 with torque converter & 2 year warranty. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny
Just buy a rebuilt one from me. $1595.00 with torque converter & 2 year warranty. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" To: ; "mercedes Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny OK, here we go again. You all remember the 190D I bought with a bad tranny, put a used tranny I had it in, would not shift past 2nd. Yanked it out, put another tranny in. It too would not shift past 2nd. I played with it for a bit, shifting it back and forth from forward to reverse etc then all the sudden it started shifting just fine. So, I have been driving that car for the last 2 months without a bit of problems. Yesterday on the way to work, I get off the highway, stop at the light at the end of the ramp, then go, guess what, wont upshift!! WTF? I drove the last 3 miles to work in 2nd then after work I messed with it a bit. The fluid level is fine, not burned or anything like that. The cable seems to pull out and go back in just fine. I dont really think its the kickdown stuck. I drove it around the parking lot and I was thinking it was in first, but if I put it down into low you can then feel it shift down to first. SO apparantly its starting out in 2nd, and not downshift to 1st upon takeoff like it normally would. If you do kick it down to 1st, it will not upshift to 2nd. Otherwise, if it starts in 2nd, it stays in 2nd. What the heck could the problem be? Im going to change the fluid and filter again thinking maybe its plugged up or something. What all else would prevent an upshift? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny
> > From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <49aad037.5020...@striplin.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > yea, that would be great, let me know when you can. > > Thanks > Kaleb- found that I posted this, so this might be useful for the archives here. Listers, After rebuilding the transmission in my '91 300d I wanted to make sure pressures were correct. I found pressure data and a way to set the modulator pressure ONLY without a proper gauge set. Your local dealer should have the following pieces: 915036 005100 Hollow Bolt 102 990 00 88 Banjo Bolt If not already spotless clean the area below the modulator around the 12mm pressure port bolt. Remove bolt, checking again that all is clean. Replace with hollow bolt/banjo bolt combo- will also need sealing washers, but I had those. In my case the pressure to aim for was 47psi so I was able to use 1/4" PVC tubing as mine was rated for 50 PSI. I used a water pressure gauge that read to 80 PSI; a bit more coarse that I would have liked but it got the job done. Gauge was checked for accuracy beforehand. It should be noted that all tubing, fittings and the gauge were all new and previously unused. This isn't somewhere I wanted to chance contamination. I used about 8 feet of tubing to have enough to read inside the car. Connected the gauge and confirmed that there were no leaks. Was curious to see that there was very little difference in pressure at 31 MPH or at idle, but I did both. Adjust the modulator by removing the cap, pulling the tee out a bit and rotating- a little rotation goes a long way. I think I replaced the cap between readings as my modulator (new, updated style) leaked vacuum with the cap off- I can't remember if that made a difference on the gauge. I'm writing this up ~ 3 months after the fact so if there are more details needed give me a shout! Modulator pressures for a range of transmissions are below; these are all I have. Note that this method is appropriate for the modulator pressure only: The pump/line pressure can get to 200 PSI which will spectacularly burst PVC tubing of the type I used. Tony Wirtel 722.4 Models Set @ 31 MPH Version Color PSI .400 Green 46 .403 Green 44 .408 Green 57 .409 Red 48 .410 Green 51 .413 Red 47 .414 Brown 41 .416 Black 44 .418 Red* 47* To serial #813648 Black* 47** From Serial #813649 722.3 Models Set @ 31 MPH Version Color PSI .301 Green 51 .303 Green 42 .304 Red 51 .309 Red 41 .310 Red 57 .311 White 48 .312 Red 54 .313 Red 58 .315 Green 42 .317 Black 46 .320 Black 57 .321 Black 46 .323 Red 58 .324 Green 52 .342 Black 58 .350 Black 55 .351 Black 58 .352 Red 55 .353 Black 59 .355 Black 55 .358 Black 58 .359 Red 55 .361 Red 55 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090301/b328a050/attachment.html> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny
yea, that would be great, let me know when you can. Thanks Tony Wirtel wrote: From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Subject: Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <49a9bbfe.9070...@striplin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed yea, I kind of figured, where would one find a gauge that would work? Peter Frederick wrote: You will need to get the pressure specs and the gauge hook-ups to test the control pressures and shift points. Peter KAleb- to set pressure for the modulator I used the banjo bolt combo used on the top thermostat housing of certain w124 cars. SInce pressure was ~ 50 PSI PVC tubing worked fine, but sounds like you need to measure pump pressure and working pressure. If you need the p/n for the bajo bolt let me know; have them at work and can get them Monday. Tony Wirtel -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090228/b1b8c642/attachment.html> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.4/1976 - Release Date: 02/27/09 13:27:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny
I have a 1000 PSI gauge you can borrow or buy. oil filled. sweep is something like 330 degrees. commonly used with working pressures around 400 to 500 PSI. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny
> > From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <49a9bbfe.9070...@striplin.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > yea, I kind of figured, where would one find a gauge that would work? > > Peter Frederick wrote: > > You will need to get the pressure specs and the gauge hook-ups to test > > the control pressures and shift points. > > > > Peter > KAleb- to set pressure for the modulator I used the banjo bolt combo used on the top thermostat housing of certain w124 cars. SInce pressure was ~ 50 PSI PVC tubing worked fine, but sounds like you need to measure pump pressure and working pressure. If you need the p/n for the bajo bolt let me know; have them at work and can get them Monday. Tony Wirtel -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090228/b1b8c642/attachment.html> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny
> > Peter Frederick wrote: > > > > You will need to get the pressure specs and the gauge > > hook-ups to test the control pressures and shift points. > Kaleb wrote: > > yea, I kind of figured, where would one find a gauge that > would work? For my Chevy transmissions, I just bought a 4 ft (1.5 m) piece of high-pressure hydraulic line with the appropriate size fitting and a 400 PSI (or so) gauge. Next time I'll probably get a longer hose so I have more routing options. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny
yea, I kind of figured, where would one find a gauge that would work? Peter Frederick wrote: You will need to get the pressure specs and the gauge hook-ups to test the control pressures and shift points. Peter -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny
You will need to get the pressure specs and the gauge hook-ups to test the control pressures and shift points. Peter On Feb 28, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: well the tranny has been sitting a while before I installed it, I figured after it started working it was cleared out. How do you check what is stuck in the valve body or govenor? Peter Frederick wrote: Valve body or governor. Peter On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:30 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: OK, here we go again. You all remember the 190D I bought with a bad tranny, put a used tranny I had it in, would not shift past 2nd. Yanked it out, put another tranny in. It too would not shift past 2nd. I played with it for a bit, shifting it back and forth from forward to reverse etc then all the sudden it started shifting just fine. So, I have been driving that car for the last 2 months without a bit of problems. Yesterday on the way to work, I get off the highway, stop at the light at the end of the ramp, then go, guess what, wont upshift!! WTF? I drove the last 3 miles to work in 2nd then after work I messed with it a bit. The fluid level is fine, not burned or anything like that. The cable seems to pull out and go back in just fine. I dont really think its the kickdown stuck. I drove it around the parking lot and I was thinking it was in first, but if I put it down into low you can then feel it shift down to first. SO apparantly its starting out in 2nd, and not downshift to 1st upon takeoff like it normally would. If you do kick it down to 1st, it will not upshift to 2nd. Otherwise, if it starts in 2nd, it stays in 2nd. What the heck could the problem be? Im going to change the fluid and filter again thinking maybe its plugged up or something. What all else would prevent an upshift? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.4/1976 - Release Date: 02/27/09 13:27:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny
well the tranny has been sitting a while before I installed it, I figured after it started working it was cleared out. How do you check what is stuck in the valve body or govenor? Peter Frederick wrote: Valve body or governor. Peter On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:30 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: OK, here we go again. You all remember the 190D I bought with a bad tranny, put a used tranny I had it in, would not shift past 2nd. Yanked it out, put another tranny in. It too would not shift past 2nd. I played with it for a bit, shifting it back and forth from forward to reverse etc then all the sudden it started shifting just fine. So, I have been driving that car for the last 2 months without a bit of problems. Yesterday on the way to work, I get off the highway, stop at the light at the end of the ramp, then go, guess what, wont upshift!! WTF? I drove the last 3 miles to work in 2nd then after work I messed with it a bit. The fluid level is fine, not burned or anything like that. The cable seems to pull out and go back in just fine. I dont really think its the kickdown stuck. I drove it around the parking lot and I was thinking it was in first, but if I put it down into low you can then feel it shift down to first. SO apparantly its starting out in 2nd, and not downshift to 1st upon takeoff like it normally would. If you do kick it down to 1st, it will not upshift to 2nd. Otherwise, if it starts in 2nd, it stays in 2nd. What the heck could the problem be? Im going to change the fluid and filter again thinking maybe its plugged up or something. What all else would prevent an upshift? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.4/1976 - Release Date: 02/27/09 13:27:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny
Valve body or governor. Peter On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:30 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: OK, here we go again. You all remember the 190D I bought with a bad tranny, put a used tranny I had it in, would not shift past 2nd. Yanked it out, put another tranny in. It too would not shift past 2nd. I played with it for a bit, shifting it back and forth from forward to reverse etc then all the sudden it started shifting just fine. So, I have been driving that car for the last 2 months without a bit of problems. Yesterday on the way to work, I get off the highway, stop at the light at the end of the ramp, then go, guess what, wont upshift!! WTF? I drove the last 3 miles to work in 2nd then after work I messed with it a bit. The fluid level is fine, not burned or anything like that. The cable seems to pull out and go back in just fine. I dont really think its the kickdown stuck. I drove it around the parking lot and I was thinking it was in first, but if I put it down into low you can then feel it shift down to first. SO apparantly its starting out in 2nd, and not downshift to 1st upon takeoff like it normally would. If you do kick it down to 1st, it will not upshift to 2nd. Otherwise, if it starts in 2nd, it stays in 2nd. What the heck could the problem be? Im going to change the fluid and filter again thinking maybe its plugged up or something. What all else would prevent an upshift? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny
I think you are on the right track. I had a similar experience with a 124. I changed the filter and fluid and all was well. Sun Valley said to always use Mann filter in the 124. I had an elring from Rusty. Since then I have been buying the Manns from Rusty, but you have to also order the gasket. The elrings come with a gasket. BTW, I have several elrings, if anyone wants to buy them. At 09:30 AM 2/28/2009, you wrote: OK, here we go again. You all remember the 190D I bought with a bad tranny, put a used tranny I had it in, would not shift past 2nd. Yanked it out, put another tranny in. It too would not shift past 2nd. I played with it for a bit, shifting it back and forth from forward to reverse etc then all the sudden it started shifting just fine. So, I have been driving that car for the last 2 months without a bit of problems. Yesterday on the way to work, I get off the highway, stop at the light at the end of the ramp, then go, guess what, wont upshift!! WTF? I drove the last 3 miles to work in 2nd then after work I messed with it a bit. The fluid level is fine, not burned or anything like that. The cable seems to pull out and go back in just fine. I dont really think its the kickdown stuck. I drove it around the parking lot and I was thinking it was in first, but if I put it down into low you can then feel it shift down to first. SO apparantly its starting out in 2nd, and not downshift to 1st upon takeoff like it normally would. If you do kick it down to 1st, it will not upshift to 2nd. Otherwise, if it starts in 2nd, it stays in 2nd. What the heck could the problem be? Im going to change the fluid and filter again thinking maybe its plugged up or something. What all else would prevent an upshift? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny
If I end up having to pull this thing back out, Im converting it to a 5 speed, I got everything I need in another car to do it. Jim Cathey wrote: OK, here we go again...What all else would prevent an upshift? I'm starting to feel better about all the work I spent on converting ours to a stickshift! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] STupid 190D tranny
OK, here we go again...What all else would prevent an upshift? I'm starting to feel better about all the work I spent on converting ours to a stickshift! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
