Re: [MBZ] Terminal population
You are quite right. Back a few years ago, Ohio accidentally shutdown all power on the east coast for a week. My wife works in neonatal intensive care and 9 months later the number of deliveries at her hospital more than doubled - almost tripled. -Dave Walton On 10/26/05, Potter, Tom E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I also believe that we fail to give television the proper credit for > population reduction (in the U.S. at least). Before television, there > were few other "entertainments" available for the evenings. ;) > > Thomas E. Potter > Telephone: (713) 215-2877 > Fax: (713) 215-2551 > Mobile: (832) 794-0536 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Craig McCluskey > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:58 PM > To: Mercedes mailing list > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Terminal population > > > On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:17:39 -0500 "Potter, Tom E" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That was the theory of Thomas Malthus. The industrial revolution > > disrupted his theory as I remember from my studies (Specifically, > > mechanized farming allowed more food to be grown). That is the problem > > with any equation that we develop to determine population load, we > > cannot foresee what changes future technology will have on the > capacity > > of the Earth to sustain a population. > > > > http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/malthus/malthus.0.html > > Yes, how wrong Malthus had it! > > In addition, we humans are limiting our population ourselves without > having to rely on any Malthusian causes. The world population will peak > out about mid-century and then drop because societies are not > reproducing > at replacement rate. This is already a big problem in Germany and Italy. > > > Craig > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] Terminal population
I also believe that we fail to give television the proper credit for population reduction (in the U.S. at least). Before television, there were few other "entertainments" available for the evenings. ;) Thomas E. Potter Telephone: (713) 215-2877 Fax: (713) 215-2551 Mobile: (832) 794-0536 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:58 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Terminal population On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:17:39 -0500 "Potter, Tom E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That was the theory of Thomas Malthus. The industrial revolution > disrupted his theory as I remember from my studies (Specifically, > mechanized farming allowed more food to be grown). That is the problem > with any equation that we develop to determine population load, we > cannot foresee what changes future technology will have on the capacity > of the Earth to sustain a population. > > http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/malthus/malthus.0.html Yes, how wrong Malthus had it! In addition, we humans are limiting our population ourselves without having to rely on any Malthusian causes. The world population will peak out about mid-century and then drop because societies are not reproducing at replacement rate. This is already a big problem in Germany and Italy. Craig ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Terminal population
Some how I doubut they have that problem in Utah or Mexico. On 10/25/05, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:17:39 -0500 "Potter, Tom E" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That was the theory of Thomas Malthus. The industrial revolution > > disrupted his theory as I remember from my studies (Specifically, > > mechanized farming allowed more food to be grown). That is the problem > > with any equation that we develop to determine population load, we > > cannot foresee what changes future technology will have on the capacity > > of the Earth to sustain a population. > > > > http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/malthus/malthus.0.html > > Yes, how wrong Malthus had it! > > In addition, we humans are limiting our population ourselves without > having to rely on any Malthusian causes. The world population will peak > out about mid-century and then drop because societies are not reproducing > at replacement rate. This is already a big problem in Germany and Italy. > > > Craig > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
Re: [MBZ] Terminal population
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:17:39 -0500 "Potter, Tom E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That was the theory of Thomas Malthus. The industrial revolution > disrupted his theory as I remember from my studies (Specifically, > mechanized farming allowed more food to be grown). That is the problem > with any equation that we develop to determine population load, we > cannot foresee what changes future technology will have on the capacity > of the Earth to sustain a population. > > http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/malthus/malthus.0.html Yes, how wrong Malthus had it! In addition, we humans are limiting our population ourselves without having to rely on any Malthusian causes. The world population will peak out about mid-century and then drop because societies are not reproducing at replacement rate. This is already a big problem in Germany and Italy. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Terminal population
now we're talking. On 10/25/05, Potter, Tom E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That was the theory of Thomas Malthus. The industrial revolution > disrupted his theory as I remember from my studies (Specifically, > mechanized farming allowed more food to be grown). That is the problem > with any equation that we develop to determine population load, we > cannot foresee what changes future technology will have on the capacity > of the Earth to sustain a population. > > http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/malthus/malthus.0.html > > Thomas E. Potter > Telephone: (713) 215-2877 > Fax: (713) 215-2551 > Mobile: (832) 794-0536 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gabriel S. > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:49 AM > To: Mercedes mailing list > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Terminal population > > > I agree, improving quality of life for those living is paramount. I have > read that they had predicted in the past that the world would never > sustain > today's population. > > On 10/25/05, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:50:43 -0700 > > From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] population > > To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Everyone in this world could be as happy as a Catholic Bishop on a > > deserted > > island with the Vienna boys choir, but, the bottom line is this: This > > earth > > can physically only support a certain population (what that number is, > I > > don't know, I hear it has been raised over and over) before people > starve > > and die. > > *** > > Absolutely correct, and IIRC, that terminal population number > [actually a > > reference to the point at which birth and death numbers match, but > often > > touted as the max population of the earth] from about 25 years ago is > 16 - > > 17 billion. I have never trusted such numbers as they suggest that > people > > will behave in ways that people never will. My point is that we need > to > > look at a lot of other things besides just 'too many people in the > world.' > > If that is viewed as the problem then we [especially old men like me] > are > > pretty much powerless to change things [we can still dream, but that > is > > another thread...LOL]. It is not one big problem but a LOT of smaller > > ones. > > BillR > > Jacksonville FL > > 1981 300SD 265K / 200K engine [?] > > > > > > > > ___ > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > > > > -- > Gabriel Soto > Southern California > 1987 300D 230K=- > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
Re: [MBZ] Terminal population
That was the theory of Thomas Malthus. The industrial revolution disrupted his theory as I remember from my studies (Specifically, mechanized farming allowed more food to be grown). That is the problem with any equation that we develop to determine population load, we cannot foresee what changes future technology will have on the capacity of the Earth to sustain a population. http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/malthus/malthus.0.html Thomas E. Potter Telephone: (713) 215-2877 Fax: (713) 215-2551 Mobile: (832) 794-0536 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gabriel S. Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:49 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Terminal population I agree, improving quality of life for those living is paramount. I have read that they had predicted in the past that the world would never sustain today's population. On 10/25/05, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:50:43 -0700 > From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] population > To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Everyone in this world could be as happy as a Catholic Bishop on a > deserted > island with the Vienna boys choir, but, the bottom line is this: This > earth > can physically only support a certain population (what that number is, I > don't know, I hear it has been raised over and over) before people starve > and die. > *** > Absolutely correct, and IIRC, that terminal population number [actually a > reference to the point at which birth and death numbers match, but often > touted as the max population of the earth] from about 25 years ago is 16 - > 17 billion. I have never trusted such numbers as they suggest that people > will behave in ways that people never will. My point is that we need to > look at a lot of other things besides just 'too many people in the world.' > If that is viewed as the problem then we [especially old men like me] are > pretty much powerless to change things [we can still dream, but that is > another thread...LOL]. It is not one big problem but a LOT of smaller > ones. > BillR > Jacksonville FL > 1981 300SD 265K / 200K engine [?] > > > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Terminal population
I agree, improving quality of life for those living is paramount. I have read that they had predicted in the past that the world would never sustain today's population. On 10/25/05, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:50:43 -0700 > From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] population > To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Everyone in this world could be as happy as a Catholic Bishop on a > deserted > island with the Vienna boys choir, but, the bottom line is this: This > earth > can physically only support a certain population (what that number is, I > don't know, I hear it has been raised over and over) before people starve > and die. > *** > Absolutely correct, and IIRC, that terminal population number [actually a > reference to the point at which birth and death numbers match, but often > touted as the max population of the earth] from about 25 years ago is 16 - > 17 billion. I have never trusted such numbers as they suggest that people > will behave in ways that people never will. My point is that we need to > look at a lot of other things besides just 'too many people in the world.' > If that is viewed as the problem then we [especially old men like me] are > pretty much powerless to change things [we can still dream, but that is > another thread...LOL]. It is not one big problem but a LOT of smaller > ones. > BillR > Jacksonville FL > 1981 300SD 265K / 200K engine [?] > > > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
