subject:"Re\: \[MBZ\] The rental"

It had somewhat of an oder when applying it but not a really strong Oder like I 
thought it would. 

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> On Sep 28, 2020, at 7:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-09-28 19:42, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I may need another heavy coat. I started noticing the piss smell
>> faintly before we left.
> 
> Did it give off a smell which overwhelmed the piss smell?
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


On 2020-09-28 19:42, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I may need another heavy coat. I started noticing the piss smell
faintly before we left.


Did it give off a smell which overwhelmed the piss smell?

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I may need another heavy coat. I started noticing the piss smell faintly before 
we left. 

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> On Sep 28, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well if that stuff is flammable then you probably need another heavy coat.
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Sep 28, 2020 4:33:18 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :
> 
>> Well the Thompson water seal appears to have done the trick. No more smell, 
>> or at least a vast major improvement.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was thinking that it is terribly sad that the former tenant's pet urine 
>>> soaked through the floors and corroded the natural gas piping to the point 
>>> it began leaking. Quite the tragedy. Fortunately no one was home when the 
>>> furnace kicked on. Too bad about the cops house next door
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
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>>> Sent: September 28, 2020 11:47 AM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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>>> Cc: dillonm...@gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun
>>> 
>>> Maybe some gasoline would get rid of that smell?
>>> -
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-28 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Well if that stuff is flammable then you probably need another heavy coat.
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Sep 28, 2020 4:33:18 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> Well the Thompson water seal appears to have done the trick. No more smell, 
> or at least a vast major improvement.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I was thinking that it is terribly sad that the former tenant's pet urine 
>> soaked through the floors and corroded the natural gas piping to the point 
>> it began leaking. Quite the tragedy. Fortunately no one was home when the 
>> furnace kicked on. Too bad about the cops house next door
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: September 28, 2020 11:47 AM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: dillonm...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun
>> 
>> Maybe some gasoline would get rid of that smell?
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Well the Thompson water seal appears to have done the trick. No more smell, or 
at least a vast major improvement. 

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> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I was thinking that it is terribly sad that the former tenant's pet urine 
> soaked through the floors and corroded the natural gas piping to the point it 
> began leaking. Quite the tragedy. Fortunately no one was home when the 
> furnace kicked on. Too bad about the cops house next door
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: September 28, 2020 11:47 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> 
> Maybe some gasoline would get rid of that smell?
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Homeowner's insurance?

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>  Diesel fuel would certainly mask it. It'd probably wick into wood
> too.Kerosene is a good solvent.
> Maybe try all 3, then hang around the place smoking a big cigar, that
> cigar smoke would help mask the pee smell... ;)
>
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2020, 12:47:09 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Maybe some gasoline would get rid of that smell?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:18 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Does it dissolve concrete and/or mortar?
> >
> > Mitch
> >
> > On 2020-09-28 11:01, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
> > > That is 30% acetic acid vinegar
> > >  I get it from Amazon
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 Diesel fuel would certainly mask it. It'd probably wick into wood too.Kerosene 
is a good solvent.
Maybe try all 3, then hang around the place smoking a big cigar, that cigar 
smoke would help mask the pee smell... ;)

-Curt

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 wrote:  
 
 Maybe some gasoline would get rid of that smell?
-
Max
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> Does it dissolve concrete and/or mortar?
>
> Mitch
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> On 2020-09-28 11:01, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
> > That is 30% acetic acid vinegar
> >  I get it from Amazon
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-28 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

I was thinking that it is terribly sad that the former tenant's pet urine 
soaked through the floors and corroded the natural gas piping to the point it 
began leaking. Quite the tragedy. Fortunately no one was home when the furnace 
kicked on. Too bad about the cops house next door


Rick

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Maybe some gasoline would get rid of that smell?
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-28 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Take a sledgehammer to the brick wall and cart the smell to wherever the
previous tenants are living now.

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> Maybe some gasoline would get rid of that smell?
> -
> Max
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>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:18 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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>
> > Does it dissolve concrete and/or mortar?
> >
> > Mitch
> >
> > On 2020-09-28 11:01, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
> > > That is 30% acetic acid vinegar
> > >  I get it from Amazon
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-28 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Maybe some gasoline would get rid of that smell?
-
Max
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> Does it dissolve concrete and/or mortar?
>
> Mitch
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> On 2020-09-28 11:01, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
> > That is 30% acetic acid vinegar
> >  I get it from Amazon
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-28 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes

I know this is not carpet but Folex works wonders on carpet stains! It’s an 
enzymatic cleaner.

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> On Sep 28, 2020, at 1:58 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What about vinegar?  It's safe, cheap, and should penetrate porous 
> materials.  I understand the acid in vinegar breaks down the proteins in 
> animal urine.  I have had some success with vinegar in carpet but my problem 
> was much easier.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 6:09 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Meade Dillon 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun
>> 
>> Well thanks for trying and reporting back.
>> 
>> I wonder if you're going to have to demolish and remove the pee-soaked
>> material in order to finally remediate the smell.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That room shock stuff didn’t touch the dog pee in that room. Today we
>>> hosed the brick and floor with Thompson multi surface sealer.
>>> Hopefully that will take care of it.
>>> 
>>> Today I discover a new area of wood rot in one of the front bedrooms.
>>> This has had wood damage since we have owned the house due to it
>>> sitting for about 2 years while still under construction without and
>>> windows or doors installed. This unknown to us attracted termites
>>> along the front. Floor in the corner of that room was somewhat soft so
>>> I decided to go ahead and cut that section out. Just need to sister in
>>> a floor joist and replace a section of the header board and should be
>>> good. We knew at some point we would have to address it as we have had
>>> to in other sections of the front of the house over time. Glad I caught it 
>>> and
>> decided to address it now.
>>> Don’t have much time though as the carpet is being laid Wednesday.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


Does it dissolve concrete and/or mortar?

Mitch

On 2020-09-28 11:01, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

That is 30% acetic acid vinegar
 I get it from Amazon


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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Or Home Despot. Kills weeds but really stinks.

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> That is 30% acetic acid vinegar
>  I get it from Amazon
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 11:50 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  Maybe you need the more powerful "cleaning vinegar".
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Monday, September 28, 2020, 9:29:20 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >  Tried that several times with no luck.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Sep 28, 2020, at 12:58 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > What about vinegar?  It's safe, cheap, and should penetrate porous
> > materials.  I understand the acid in vinegar breaks down the proteins in
> > animal urine.  I have had some success with vinegar in carpet but my
> > problem was much easier.
> > >
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > >> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> > >> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 6:09 PM
> > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > >> Cc: Meade Dillon 
> > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun
> > >>
> > >> Well thanks for trying and reporting back.
> > >>
> > >> I wonder if you're going to have to demolish and remove the pee-soaked
> > >> material in order to finally remediate the smell.
> > >> -
> > >> Max
> > >> Charleston SC
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> That room shock stuff didn’t touch the dog pee in that room. Today we
> > >>> hosed the brick and floor with Thompson multi surface sealer.
> > >>> Hopefully that will take care of it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Today I discover a new area of wood rot in one of the front bedrooms.
> > >>> This has had wood damage since we have owned the house due to it
> > >>> sitting for about 2 years while still under construction without and
> > >>> windows or doors installed. This unknown to us attracted termites
> > >>> along the front. Floor in the corner of that room was somewhat soft
> so
> > >>> I decided to go ahead and cut that section out. Just need to sister
> in
> > >>> a floor joist and replace a section of the header board and should be
> > >>> good. We knew at some point we would have to address it as we have
> had
> > >>> to in other sections of the front of the house over time. Glad I
> > caught it and
> > >> decided to address it now.
> > >>> Don’t have much time though as the carpet is being laid Wednesday.
> > >>>
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2020-09-28 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

That is 30% acetic acid vinegar
 I get it from Amazon

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 11:50 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Maybe you need the more powerful "cleaning vinegar".
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2020, 9:29:20 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Tried that several times with no luck.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 28, 2020, at 12:58 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > What about vinegar?  It's safe, cheap, and should penetrate porous
> materials.  I understand the acid in vinegar breaks down the proteins in
> animal urine.  I have had some success with vinegar in carpet but my
> problem was much easier.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 6:09 PM
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Cc: Meade Dillon 
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun
> >>
> >> Well thanks for trying and reporting back.
> >>
> >> I wonder if you're going to have to demolish and remove the pee-soaked
> >> material in order to finally remediate the smell.
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That room shock stuff didn’t touch the dog pee in that room. Today we
> >>> hosed the brick and floor with Thompson multi surface sealer.
> >>> Hopefully that will take care of it.
> >>>
> >>> Today I discover a new area of wood rot in one of the front bedrooms.
> >>> This has had wood damage since we have owned the house due to it
> >>> sitting for about 2 years while still under construction without and
> >>> windows or doors installed. This unknown to us attracted termites
> >>> along the front. Floor in the corner of that room was somewhat soft so
> >>> I decided to go ahead and cut that section out. Just need to sister in
> >>> a floor joist and replace a section of the header board and should be
> >>> good. We knew at some point we would have to address it as we have had
> >>> to in other sections of the front of the house over time. Glad I
> caught it and
> >> decided to address it now.
> >>> Don’t have much time though as the carpet is being laid Wednesday.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-28 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 Maybe you need the more powerful "cleaning vinegar".
-Curt

On Monday, September 28, 2020, 9:29:20 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Tried that several times with no luck. 

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> On Sep 28, 2020, at 12:58 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What about vinegar?  It's safe, cheap, and should penetrate porous 
> materials.  I understand the acid in vinegar breaks down the proteins in 
> animal urine.  I have had some success with vinegar in carpet but my problem 
> was much easier.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 6:09 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Meade Dillon 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun
>> 
>> Well thanks for trying and reporting back.
>> 
>> I wonder if you're going to have to demolish and remove the pee-soaked
>> material in order to finally remediate the smell.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That room shock stuff didn’t touch the dog pee in that room. Today we
>>> hosed the brick and floor with Thompson multi surface sealer.
>>> Hopefully that will take care of it.
>>> 
>>> Today I discover a new area of wood rot in one of the front bedrooms.
>>> This has had wood damage since we have owned the house due to it
>>> sitting for about 2 years while still under construction without and
>>> windows or doors installed. This unknown to us attracted termites
>>> along the front. Floor in the corner of that room was somewhat soft so
>>> I decided to go ahead and cut that section out. Just need to sister in
>>> a floor joist and replace a section of the header board and should be
>>> good. We knew at some point we would have to address it as we have had
>>> to in other sections of the front of the house over time. Glad I caught it 
>>> and
>> decided to address it now.
>>> Don’t have much time though as the carpet is being laid Wednesday.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

Tried that several times with no luck. 

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> On Sep 28, 2020, at 12:58 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What about vinegar?  It's safe, cheap, and should penetrate porous 
> materials.  I understand the acid in vinegar breaks down the proteins in 
> animal urine.  I have had some success with vinegar in carpet but my problem 
> was much easier.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 6:09 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Meade Dillon 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun
>> 
>> Well thanks for trying and reporting back.
>> 
>> I wonder if you're going to have to demolish and remove the pee-soaked
>> material in order to finally remediate the smell.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That room shock stuff didn’t touch the dog pee in that room. Today we
>>> hosed the brick and floor with Thompson multi surface sealer.
>>> Hopefully that will take care of it.
>>> 
>>> Today I discover a new area of wood rot in one of the front bedrooms.
>>> This has had wood damage since we have owned the house due to it
>>> sitting for about 2 years while still under construction without and
>>> windows or doors installed. This unknown to us attracted termites
>>> along the front. Floor in the corner of that room was somewhat soft so
>>> I decided to go ahead and cut that section out. Just need to sister in
>>> a floor joist and replace a section of the header board and should be
>>> good. We knew at some point we would have to address it as we have had
>>> to in other sections of the front of the house over time. Glad I caught it 
>>> and
>> decided to address it now.
>>> Don’t have much time though as the carpet is being laid Wednesday.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-27 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

What about vinegar?  It's safe, cheap, and should penetrate porous materials.  
I understand the acid in vinegar breaks down the proteins in animal urine.  I 
have had some success with vinegar in carpet but my problem was much easier.

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> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 6:09 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Meade Dillon 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun
> 
> Well thanks for trying and reporting back.
> 
> I wonder if you're going to have to demolish and remove the pee-soaked
> material in order to finally remediate the smell.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > That room shock stuff didn’t touch the dog pee in that room. Today we
> > hosed the brick and floor with Thompson multi surface sealer.
> > Hopefully that will take care of it.
> >
> > Today I discover a new area of wood rot in one of the front bedrooms.
> > This has had wood damage since we have owned the house due to it
> > sitting for about 2 years while still under construction without and
> > windows or doors installed. This unknown to us attracted termites
> > along the front. Floor in the corner of that room was somewhat soft so
> > I decided to go ahead and cut that section out. Just need to sister in
> > a floor joist and replace a section of the header board and should be
> > good. We knew at some point we would have to address it as we have had
> > to in other sections of the front of the house over time. Glad I caught it 
> > and
> decided to address it now.
> > Don’t have much time though as the carpet is being laid Wednesday.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-27 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

That would be an entire brick wall. If we do that might we well remove the 
framing on the exterior wall and just convert it back to an porch. 

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> On Sep 27, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well thanks for trying and reporting back.
> 
> I wonder if you're going to have to demolish and remove the pee-soaked
> material in order to finally remediate the smell.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That room shock stuff didn’t touch the dog pee in that room. Today we
>> hosed the brick and floor with Thompson multi surface sealer. Hopefully
>> that will take care of it.
>> 
>> Today I discover a new area of wood rot in one of the front bedrooms. This
>> has had wood damage since we have owned the house due to it sitting for
>> about 2 years while still under construction without and windows or doors
>> installed. This unknown to us attracted termites along the front. Floor in
>> the corner of that room was somewhat soft so I decided to go ahead and cut
>> that section out. Just need to sister in a floor joist and replace a
>> section of the header board and should be good. We knew at some point we
>> would have to address it as we have had to in other sections of the front
>> of the house over time. Glad I caught it and decided to address it now.
>> Don’t have much time though as the carpet is being laid Wednesday.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-27 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Well thanks for trying and reporting back.

I wonder if you're going to have to demolish and remove the pee-soaked
material in order to finally remediate the smell.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That room shock stuff didn’t touch the dog pee in that room. Today we
> hosed the brick and floor with Thompson multi surface sealer. Hopefully
> that will take care of it.
>
> Today I discover a new area of wood rot in one of the front bedrooms. This
> has had wood damage since we have owned the house due to it sitting for
> about 2 years while still under construction without and windows or doors
> installed. This unknown to us attracted termites along the front. Floor in
> the corner of that room was somewhat soft so I decided to go ahead and cut
> that section out. Just need to sister in a floor joist and replace a
> section of the header board and should be good. We knew at some point we
> would have to address it as we have had to in other sections of the front
> of the house over time. Glad I caught it and decided to address it now.
> Don’t have much time though as the carpet is being laid Wednesday.
>
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Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

2020-09-27 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes

Torturing yourself for more loser tenants to shit all over your efforts. 

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> On Sep 27, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That room shock stuff didn’t touch the dog pee in that room. Today we hosed 
> the brick and floor with Thompson multi surface sealer. Hopefully that will 
> take care of it.
> 
> Today I discover a new area of wood rot in one of the front bedrooms. This 
> has had wood damage since we have owned the house due to it sitting for about 
> 2 years while still under construction without and windows or doors 
> installed. This unknown to us attracted termites along the front. Floor in 
> the corner of that room was somewhat soft so I decided to go ahead and cut 
> that section out. Just need to sister in a floor joist and replace a section 
> of the header board and should be good. We knew at some point we would have 
> to address it as we have had to in other sections of the front of the house 
> over time. Glad I caught it and decided to address it now. Don’t have much 
> time though as the carpet is being laid Wednesday. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC


As far as I know the units are usually replaced at the same time.

On 9/2/2020 6:48 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

Your existing air handler coil may not be compatible with R410a, which runs at 
higher pressures.


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Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 7:41 PM
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Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

This is a 15 year old simple R22 unit. If the compressor is bad I am not sure it
would be cost effective for them to try and replace that rather than just
replacing the whole unit. But as long as it works I don’t really care

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On Sep 2, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

 wrote:

Sounds like the repair guts didn't really troubleshoot so the fix will take

several return trips until they finally replace the right part(s).

Often, the same capacitor (dual unit) supports the fan and compressor and

capacitors do fail.  Fan motor failure is not unusual after, maybe, 10 years but
the compressor should start up anyway as soon as it sees 24v on the "Y" wire
(unless it's in timeout, typical for 5 min after shutdown).

Most units have low and high pressure cutout switches (a possible problem

source too).  The high pressure cutout is immediate but the compressor and
fan should run for a couple minutes before they shut down for low pressure.

If the compressor is bad the fix is a difficult and costly but less than 
replacing

the whole condenser.

The old (on or off) style units are pretty simple and most parts are generic

except the control board.  But there are newer inverter (variable speed) and
dual speed types that have unique parts and designs.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

They said they were ordering a new one from Trane. Hopefully that is
what happens. I’m still wondering if the fan quit working and it
burned up the compressor. You would think they would habe checked
that because it’s not like compressor kicks on then shuts off later
if pressure gets too high. It just does not kick on at all.

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On Sep 2, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

 wrote:

Make sure they replace it with a real fan and not a cheapo "rescue" motor.

I was away once and the fan motor went out (this is the condenser
cooling

fan) and the guy came and put in a new one, was like $500, my wife paid

him.

Fan goes out again less than a year later, I call the guy, he comes
out and finds a rescue motor instead of the real deal.  So I tell him
we paid like $500 for this, why is it a substandard unit?  He hems
and haws and tells me he can put in the right motor but he'll have to
charge me $75 for a visit. I tell him how about you do what your guy
was supposed to have done, and you charged us for, and I won't see
you in court.  He got all pissy but put in the right motor.  His
wife, who ran the books, called me 2-3 times wanting the $75 and I told her

to bugger off, she finally stopped calling.

Turns out his guy was doing this to everyone, billing for the real
motor but

putting in a cheapo and pocketing the cash.  He got fired but the
business owner was still trying to charge me for his guy's fraud,
probably everyone else too, to get a little back on what he was screwed out

of.  Go figure.

--FT


On 9/2/20 4:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Inside unit comes on but outside unit doesn’t. When it’s turned on
you hear

a semi loud click. That sound was the contactor pulling in. Put in a
service request with the warranty people. They came out today. Fan
was bad, ordering a new one. I guess if the fan is bad it prevents
the unit from kicking on so it doesn’t burn up the compressor?

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Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

I did pull the big fuse at the power panel on the house for the unit.  I 
did not cycle the breakers for the whole system though.


On 9/2/2020 6:48 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

Just for grins, have you tried cycling the circuit breakers?  There should be 
two 2-pole breakers (one for air handler and one for condenser).

When I returned about noon one day my new Carrier heat pump was making a loud 
banging noise and was not producing heat.  Cycling the breaker fixed it.  I 
left it off for 5-10 min.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

They said they were ordering a new one from Trane. Hopefully that is what
happens. I’m still wondering if the fan quit working and it burned up the
compressor. You would think they would habe checked that because it’s not
like compressor kicks on then shuts off later if pressure gets too high. It just
does not kick on at all.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 2, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

 wrote:

Make sure they replace it with a real fan and not a cheapo "rescue" motor.

I was away once and the fan motor went out (this is the condenser cooling

fan) and the guy came and put in a new one, was like $500, my wife paid him.
Fan goes out again less than a year later, I call the guy, he comes out and 
finds
a rescue motor instead of the real deal.  So I tell him we paid like $500 for 
this,
why is it a substandard unit?  He hems and haws and tells me he can put in the
right motor but he'll have to charge me $75 for a visit. I tell him how about 
you
do what your guy was supposed to have done, and you charged us for, and I
won't see you in court.  He got all pissy but put in the right motor.  His wife,
who ran the books, called me 2-3 times wanting the $75 and I told her to
bugger off, she finally stopped calling.

Turns out his guy was doing this to everyone, billing for the real motor but

putting in a cheapo and pocketing the cash.  He got fired but the business
owner was still trying to charge me for his guy's fraud, probably everyone else
too, to get a little back on what he was screwed out of.  Go figure.

--FT


On 9/2/20 4:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Inside unit comes on but outside unit doesn’t. When it’s turned on you hear

a semi loud click. That sound was the contactor pulling in. Put in a service
request with the warranty people. They came out today. Fan was bad,
ordering a new one. I guess if the fan is bad it prevents the unit from kicking 
on
so it doesn’t burn up the compressor?

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Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

2020-09-02 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

Just for grins, have you tried cycling the circuit breakers?  There should be 
two 2-pole breakers (one for air handler and one for condenser).

When I returned about noon one day my new Carrier heat pump was making a loud 
banging noise and was not producing heat.  Cycling the breaker fixed it.  I 
left it off for 5-10 min.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 5:26 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC
> 
> They said they were ordering a new one from Trane. Hopefully that is what
> happens. I’m still wondering if the fan quit working and it burned up the
> compressor. You would think they would habe checked that because it’s not
> like compressor kicks on then shuts off later if pressure gets too high. It 
> just
> does not kick on at all.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 2, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > Make sure they replace it with a real fan and not a cheapo "rescue" motor.
> >
> > I was away once and the fan motor went out (this is the condenser cooling
> fan) and the guy came and put in a new one, was like $500, my wife paid him.
> Fan goes out again less than a year later, I call the guy, he comes out and 
> finds
> a rescue motor instead of the real deal.  So I tell him we paid like $500 for 
> this,
> why is it a substandard unit?  He hems and haws and tells me he can put in the
> right motor but he'll have to charge me $75 for a visit. I tell him how about 
> you
> do what your guy was supposed to have done, and you charged us for, and I
> won't see you in court.  He got all pissy but put in the right motor.  His 
> wife,
> who ran the books, called me 2-3 times wanting the $75 and I told her to
> bugger off, she finally stopped calling.
> >
> > Turns out his guy was doing this to everyone, billing for the real motor but
> putting in a cheapo and pocketing the cash.  He got fired but the business
> owner was still trying to charge me for his guy's fraud, probably everyone 
> else
> too, to get a little back on what he was screwed out of.  Go figure.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >> On 9/2/20 4:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Inside unit comes on but outside unit doesn’t. When it’s turned on you hear
> a semi loud click. That sound was the contactor pulling in. Put in a service
> request with the warranty people. They came out today. Fan was bad,
> ordering a new one. I guess if the fan is bad it prevents the unit from 
> kicking on
> so it doesn’t burn up the compressor?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

2020-09-02 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

Your existing air handler coil may not be compatible with R410a, which runs at 
higher pressures.

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> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 7:41 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC
> 
> This is a 15 year old simple R22 unit. If the compressor is bad I am not sure 
> it
> would be cost effective for them to try and replace that rather than just
> replacing the whole unit. But as long as it works I don’t really care
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 2, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like the repair guts didn't really troubleshoot so the fix will take
> several return trips until they finally replace the right part(s).
> > Often, the same capacitor (dual unit) supports the fan and compressor and
> capacitors do fail.  Fan motor failure is not unusual after, maybe, 10 years 
> but
> the compressor should start up anyway as soon as it sees 24v on the "Y" wire
> (unless it's in timeout, typical for 5 min after shutdown).
> > Most units have low and high pressure cutout switches (a possible problem
> source too).  The high pressure cutout is immediate but the compressor and
> fan should run for a couple minutes before they shut down for low pressure.
> > If the compressor is bad the fix is a difficult and costly but less than 
> > replacing
> the whole condenser.
> > The old (on or off) style units are pretty simple and most parts are generic
> except the control board.  But there are newer inverter (variable speed) and
> dual speed types that have unique parts and designs.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 5:26 PM
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC
> >>
> >> They said they were ordering a new one from Trane. Hopefully that is
> >> what happens. I’m still wondering if the fan quit working and it
> >> burned up the compressor. You would think they would habe checked
> >> that because it’s not like compressor kicks on then shuts off later
> >> if pressure gets too high. It just does not kick on at all.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Make sure they replace it with a real fan and not a cheapo "rescue" 
> >>> motor.
> >>>
> >>> I was away once and the fan motor went out (this is the condenser
> >>> cooling
> >> fan) and the guy came and put in a new one, was like $500, my wife paid
> him.
> >> Fan goes out again less than a year later, I call the guy, he comes
> >> out and finds a rescue motor instead of the real deal.  So I tell him
> >> we paid like $500 for this, why is it a substandard unit?  He hems
> >> and haws and tells me he can put in the right motor but he'll have to
> >> charge me $75 for a visit. I tell him how about you do what your guy
> >> was supposed to have done, and you charged us for, and I won't see
> >> you in court.  He got all pissy but put in the right motor.  His
> >> wife, who ran the books, called me 2-3 times wanting the $75 and I told her
> to bugger off, she finally stopped calling.
> >>>
> >>> Turns out his guy was doing this to everyone, billing for the real
> >>> motor but
> >> putting in a cheapo and pocketing the cash.  He got fired but the
> >> business owner was still trying to charge me for his guy's fraud,
> >> probably everyone else too, to get a little back on what he was screwed out
> of.  Go figure.
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>>
> >>>> On 9/2/20 4:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>> Inside unit comes on but outside unit doesn’t. When it’s turned on
> >>>> you hear
> >> a semi loud click. That sound was the contactor pulling in. Put in a
> >> service request with the warranty people. They came out today. Fan
> >> was bad, ordering a new one. I guess if the fan is bad it prevents
> >> the unit from kicking on so it doesn’t burn up the compressor?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
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Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

This is a 15 year old simple R22 unit. If the compressor is bad I am not sure 
it would be cost effective for them to try and replace that rather than just 
replacing the whole unit. But as long as it works I don’t really care 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 2, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like the repair guts didn't really troubleshoot so the fix will take 
> several return trips until they finally replace the right part(s).
> Often, the same capacitor (dual unit) supports the fan and compressor and 
> capacitors do fail.  Fan motor failure is not unusual after, maybe, 10 years 
> but the compressor should start up anyway as soon as it sees 24v on the "Y" 
> wire (unless it's in timeout, typical for 5 min after shutdown).  
> Most units have low and high pressure cutout switches (a possible problem 
> source too).  The high pressure cutout is immediate but the compressor and 
> fan should run for a couple minutes before they shut down for low pressure.
> If the compressor is bad the fix is a difficult and costly but less than 
> replacing the whole condenser.
> The old (on or off) style units are pretty simple and most parts are generic 
> except the control board.  But there are newer inverter (variable speed) and 
> dual speed types that have unique parts and designs.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 5:26 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC
>> 
>> They said they were ordering a new one from Trane. Hopefully that is what
>> happens. I’m still wondering if the fan quit working and it burned up the
>> compressor. You would think they would habe checked that because it’s not
>> like compressor kicks on then shuts off later if pressure gets too high. It 
>> just
>> does not kick on at all.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Make sure they replace it with a real fan and not a cheapo "rescue" motor.
>>> 
>>> I was away once and the fan motor went out (this is the condenser cooling
>> fan) and the guy came and put in a new one, was like $500, my wife paid him.
>> Fan goes out again less than a year later, I call the guy, he comes out and 
>> finds
>> a rescue motor instead of the real deal.  So I tell him we paid like $500 
>> for this,
>> why is it a substandard unit?  He hems and haws and tells me he can put in 
>> the
>> right motor but he'll have to charge me $75 for a visit. I tell him how 
>> about you
>> do what your guy was supposed to have done, and you charged us for, and I
>> won't see you in court.  He got all pissy but put in the right motor.  His 
>> wife,
>> who ran the books, called me 2-3 times wanting the $75 and I told her to
>> bugger off, she finally stopped calling.
>>> 
>>> Turns out his guy was doing this to everyone, billing for the real motor but
>> putting in a cheapo and pocketing the cash.  He got fired but the business
>> owner was still trying to charge me for his guy's fraud, probably everyone 
>> else
>> too, to get a little back on what he was screwed out of.  Go figure.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>>> On 9/2/20 4:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Inside unit comes on but outside unit doesn’t. When it’s turned on you hear
>> a semi loud click. That sound was the contactor pulling in. Put in a service
>> request with the warranty people. They came out today. Fan was bad,
>> ordering a new one. I guess if the fan is bad it prevents the unit from 
>> kicking on
>> so it doesn’t burn up the compressor?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

I was not sure a bad fan itself would lead to it not running at all. I’m still 
suspecting the fan quit one night while it was running then the compressor blew 
up. Maybe I will get a new unit out of it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 2, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, September 2, 2020 6:13 pm, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> Might be the start capacitor?  Very common and cheaper than a fan motor.
> 
> 
> One might hope testing the caps would be the second thing they'd do, after
> checking the contactor.
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Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

2020-09-02 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

Sounds like the repair guts didn't really troubleshoot so the fix will take 
several return trips until they finally replace the right part(s).
Often, the same capacitor (dual unit) supports the fan and compressor and 
capacitors do fail.  Fan motor failure is not unusual after, maybe, 10 years 
but the compressor should start up anyway as soon as it sees 24v on the "Y" 
wire (unless it's in timeout, typical for 5 min after shutdown).  
Most units have low and high pressure cutout switches (a possible problem 
source too).  The high pressure cutout is immediate but the compressor and fan 
should run for a couple minutes before they shut down for low pressure.
If the compressor is bad the fix is a difficult and costly but less than 
replacing the whole condenser.
The old (on or off) style units are pretty simple and most parts are generic 
except the control board.  But there are newer inverter (variable speed) and 
dual speed types that have unique parts and designs.

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> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 5:26 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC
> 
> They said they were ordering a new one from Trane. Hopefully that is what
> happens. I’m still wondering if the fan quit working and it burned up the
> compressor. You would think they would habe checked that because it’s not
> like compressor kicks on then shuts off later if pressure gets too high. It 
> just
> does not kick on at all.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 2, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > Make sure they replace it with a real fan and not a cheapo "rescue" motor.
> >
> > I was away once and the fan motor went out (this is the condenser cooling
> fan) and the guy came and put in a new one, was like $500, my wife paid him.
> Fan goes out again less than a year later, I call the guy, he comes out and 
> finds
> a rescue motor instead of the real deal.  So I tell him we paid like $500 for 
> this,
> why is it a substandard unit?  He hems and haws and tells me he can put in the
> right motor but he'll have to charge me $75 for a visit. I tell him how about 
> you
> do what your guy was supposed to have done, and you charged us for, and I
> won't see you in court.  He got all pissy but put in the right motor.  His 
> wife,
> who ran the books, called me 2-3 times wanting the $75 and I told her to
> bugger off, she finally stopped calling.
> >
> > Turns out his guy was doing this to everyone, billing for the real motor but
> putting in a cheapo and pocketing the cash.  He got fired but the business
> owner was still trying to charge me for his guy's fraud, probably everyone 
> else
> too, to get a little back on what he was screwed out of.  Go figure.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >> On 9/2/20 4:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Inside unit comes on but outside unit doesn’t. When it’s turned on you hear
> a semi loud click. That sound was the contactor pulling in. Put in a service
> request with the warranty people. They came out today. Fan was bad,
> ordering a new one. I guess if the fan is bad it prevents the unit from 
> kicking on
> so it doesn’t burn up the compressor?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

2020-09-02 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

On Wed, September 2, 2020 6:13 pm, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> Might be the start capacitor?  Very common and cheaper than a fan motor.


One might hope testing the caps would be the second thing they'd do, after
checking the contactor.

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They said the fan motor was bad. That’s all I know. 

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> On Sep 2, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Might be the start capacitor?  Very common and cheaper than a fan motor.
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Sep 2, 2020 4:23:27 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :
> 
>> Inside unit comes on but outside unit doesn’t. When it’s turned on you hear 
>> a semi loud click. That sound was the contactor pulling in. Put in a service 
>> request with the warranty people. They came out today. Fan was bad, ordering 
>> a new one. I guess if the fan is bad it prevents the unit from kicking on so 
>> it doesn’t burn up the compressor?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

2020-09-02 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Might be the start capacitor?  Very common and cheaper than a fan motor.
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Sep 2, 2020 4:23:27 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> Inside unit comes on but outside unit doesn’t. When it’s turned on you hear a 
> semi loud click. That sound was the contactor pulling in. Put in a service 
> request with the warranty people. They came out today. Fan was bad, ordering 
> a new one. I guess if the fan is bad it prevents the unit from kicking on so 
> it doesn’t burn up the compressor?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

They said they were ordering a new one from Trane. Hopefully that is what 
happens. I’m still wondering if the fan quit working and it burned up the 
compressor. You would think they would habe checked that because it’s not like 
compressor kicks on then shuts off later if pressure gets too high. It just 
does not kick on at all. 

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> On Sep 2, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Make sure they replace it with a real fan and not a cheapo "rescue" motor.
> 
> I was away once and the fan motor went out (this is the condenser cooling 
> fan) and the guy came and put in a new one, was like $500, my wife paid him.  
> Fan goes out again less than a year later, I call the guy, he comes out and 
> finds a rescue motor instead of the real deal.  So I tell him we paid like 
> $500 for this, why is it a substandard unit?  He hems and haws and tells me 
> he can put in the right motor but he'll have to charge me $75 for a visit. I 
> tell him how about you do what your guy was supposed to have done, and you 
> charged us for, and I won't see you in court.  He got all pissy but put in 
> the right motor.  His wife, who ran the books, called me 2-3 times wanting 
> the $75 and I told her to bugger off, she finally stopped calling.
> 
> Turns out his guy was doing this to everyone, billing for the real motor but 
> putting in a cheapo and pocketing the cash.  He got fired but the business 
> owner was still trying to charge me for his guy's fraud, probably everyone 
> else too, to get a little back on what he was screwed out of.  Go figure.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 9/2/20 4:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Inside unit comes on but outside unit doesn’t. When it’s turned on you hear 
>> a semi loud click. That sound was the contactor pulling in. Put in a service 
>> request with the warranty people. They came out today. Fan was bad, ordering 
>> a new one. I guess if the fan is bad it prevents the unit from kicking on so 
>> it doesn’t burn up the compressor?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

It was working fine a week or so ago when we were over there then the next day 
would not turn on at all. Inside unit runs but outside unit does not. 

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> On Sep 2, 2020, at 4:07 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The fan not coming on won't stop the compressor from coming on.
> If there's a high pressure switch, it'll hopefully stop the compressor
> from getting fried.
> 
> Did it just happen?
> Seems like the tenants would have been throwing a fit if the AC didn't
> work when they were still there.
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Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

2020-09-02 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes



The fan not coming on won't stop the compressor from coming on.
If there's a high pressure switch, it'll hopefully stop the compressor
from getting fried.

Did it just happen?
Seems like the tenants would have been throwing a fit if the AC didn't
work when they were still there.

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Re: [MBZ] The rental house AC

2020-09-02 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


Make sure they replace it with a real fan and not a cheapo "rescue" motor.

I was away once and the fan motor went out (this is the condenser 
cooling fan) and the guy came and put in a new one, was like $500, my 
wife paid him.  Fan goes out again less than a year later, I call the 
guy, he comes out and finds a rescue motor instead of the real deal.  So 
I tell him we paid like $500 for this, why is it a substandard unit?  He 
hems and haws and tells me he can put in the right motor but he'll have 
to charge me $75 for a visit. I tell him how about you do what your guy 
was supposed to have done, and you charged us for, and I won't see you 
in court.  He got all pissy but put in the right motor.  His wife, who 
ran the books, called me 2-3 times wanting the $75 and I told her to 
bugger off, she finally stopped calling.


Turns out his guy was doing this to everyone, billing for the real motor 
but putting in a cheapo and pocketing the cash.  He got fired but the 
business owner was still trying to charge me for his guy's fraud, 
probably everyone else too, to get a little back on what he was screwed 
out of.  Go figure.


--FT

On 9/2/20 4:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Inside unit comes on but outside unit doesn’t. When it’s turned on you hear a 
semi loud click. That sound was the contactor pulling in. Put in a service 
request with the warranty people. They came out today. Fan was bad, ordering a 
new one. I guess if the fan is bad it prevents the unit from kicking on so it 
doesn’t burn up the compressor?

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Re: [MBZ] The rental

2020-08-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

On Fri, August 28, 2020 6:02 pm, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> I guess I could pull off the cover and look. I replaced the contractor
> along with the capacitors or whatever you call them about 2-3 years ago.

If neither the fan nor the compressor run, I wonder if you have 240v to
the unit, or just 24v from the thermostat to the contactor. An alternate
explanation is the fan quit, and the compressor seized from not having a
fan.

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Re: [MBZ] The rental

2020-08-28 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

I guess I could pull off the cover and look. I replaced the contractor along 
with the capacitors or whatever you call them about 2-3 years ago. 

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> On Aug 28, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Semi loud click sounds like the contactor (aka relay).
> No dead beetles between the contact points, are there?
> 
>> On Fri, August 28, 2020 5:22 pm, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Got the subfloor done in the utility room. Tomorrow will lay the pergo.
>> Today I discovered the AC does not kick on at all. When I turn on the
>> thermostat i hear a semi loud click at the condenser unit but it does not
>> kick on.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The rental

2020-08-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Semi loud click sounds like the contactor (aka relay).
No dead beetles between the contact points, are there?

On Fri, August 28, 2020 5:22 pm, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Got the subfloor done in the utility room. Tomorrow will lay the pergo.
> Today I discovered the AC does not kick on at all. When I turn on the
> thermostat i hear a semi loud click at the condenser unit but it does not
> kick on.




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Re: [MBZ] The rental

2020-08-08 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes

If a rental property doesn’t make a decent profit above and beyond it’s 
carrying costs or doesn’t appreciate well then it’s a pointless investment in 
my opinion. I have one property that appreciates poorly. They all make a 
profit. I’m trying to sell the one that’s appreciating poorly even though it 
makes a good profit.

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> On Aug 8, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What we get for rent each month covers the mortgage, insurance, taxes etc. 
> We have a lot of equity in it which is why we want to do the 3 year plan then 
> sell. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2020, at 2:12 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Get rid of the rental and use all the money you keep plowing into the rental 
>> to pay down your current mortgage. The amount you're spending can't possibly 
>> be offset by the rent you're getting or the equity you're building...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 2:56:36 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The previous issue was from what appeared to me water intrusion from around 
>> a window.
>> 
>> As I started pulling up more tile the rot just kept going. I figured out 
>> what the cause was. The renters did not have their washing machine connected 
>> properly and water was constantly leaking behind it. I suspect it might have 
>> been leaking down the wall at the washer connection. Entire floor along that 
>> wall where washer sits is rotted out. Will have to remove all the tile from 
>> the room and cut it out and replace. I did not go that direction under the 
>> house so could have rotted floor joists as well. 
>> 
>> Also, plan is to sell the rental in about 3 years and take equity and pay 
>> off/pay down our current house then refi what is left into a 10 year. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Aug 8, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kaleb says:
>>> 
 Area is very moist and the crap particle board they >used for sub flooring 
 just soaked up the moisture.
>>> 
>>> Didn't you have water issues from the roof or something a while back?
>>> 
 I’m sick of messing with this house and about >ready to just dump it for 
 whatever I can get or let  >the bank have it.
>>> 
>>> Sell it or sell your current house and move back in to this one You 
>>> could probably pay off where ever you want to live with the proceeds. No 
>>> house payments would go a long way to building a retirement or buying a 
>>> 201x E250.
>>> 
>>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] The rental

2020-08-08 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes

Yes good advice.

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> On Aug 8, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> While you’ve got the floor up just sister the joists where they’re soft and 
> call it done.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So after the renters moved out I’m getting the house ready for the next 
>> renters that are supposed to move in on the 15th. Lots of damage from dogs. 
>> Will never allow pets again. They destroyed the new carpet we just put in 
>> before they moved in. Of bigger concern was an area of cracked tile in the 
>> utility room. Discovered floor was soft. Pulled it out and an area of about 
>> 2 feet by 1.5 feet or the area between to floor joists was rotted out. This 
>> is strange because there are no water sources in the area. After cutting out 
>> the bad section got under the house to discover more rot. It extends further 
>> toward and under an adjoining wall and closet. The copper lines from from 
>> outside the house to the ac unit then right up thru the floor/wall in this 
>> area to the attic. No insulation is on the pipes. Area is very moist and the 
>> crap particle board they used for sub flooring just soaked up the moisture. 
>> Shouldn’t these be insulated all the way to the unit? I’m thinking maybe the 
>> pipe sweating over the years has rotten this out. The floor joists can 
>> probably still be used but do have some soft spots starting at the bottoms. 
>> I’m going to have to figure out why this area is getting wet then decide if 
>> I can even fix it. About all I could do is replace the area of the floor 
>> that gets traffic but it would still be rotted out under that wall and into 
>> the closet. Fortunately the closed has a floor built up off the main floor 
>> as it is a pantry. The idiots who built the house have the ac drain pipe 
>> running down this walk in question and drains into a sewer pipe under the 
>> closet area. Drain pipe comes out of the wall across the subfloor of the 
>> closet then down to the sewer pipe. That is why the 2nd floor is built up 
>> from the main sub floor to allow the pipe to pass. Why they didn’t just run 
>> it straight down to the crawl space then outside I have no clue. I’m sick of 
>> messing with this house and about ready to just dump it for whatever I can 
>> get or let the bank have it. 
>> 
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Oh Jewish lightening I think.  I knew what that was but completely 
forgot until you mentioned that.

On 8/8/2020 8:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I believe he suggested a culturally insensitive approach that would be similar, 
yes.

Hee.

-D

On Aug 8, 2020, at 9:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  
wrote:

Did he say burn it down?  We did tell the neighbor if they saw that it was ever 
on fire to NOT call the fire dept.

On 8/8/2020 7:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Then maybe Rick’s idea wasn’t such a bad one?

-D

On Aug 8, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  
wrote:

My bad its a $4800 deductible.  Basically catastrophic in case the house burns 
down or gets blown away.

On 8/8/2020 7:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Hmm, I didn't think about that.  I may have to file a claim and see what they 
say.  We do have a big $2k deductible I believe which I am sure if you were 
paying somebody to completely fix it all would exceed that.

On 8/8/2020 6:31 PM, Karl Wittnebel wrote:

Typically homeowners covers water damage. The usaa guy told me it is their #1 
claim. They even have water detectors you put under your floors that connect to 
the wifi and alert you to problems; they came out and gave us a bunch. File a 
claim and get it fixed.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 2:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

 What we get for rent each month covers the mortgage, insurance,
 taxes etc. We have a lot of equity in it which is why we want to
 do the 3 year plan then sell.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Aug 8, 2020, at 2:12 PM, Curt Raymond mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
 >
 > 
 > Get rid of the rental and use all the money you keep plowing
 into the rental to pay down your current mortgage. The amount
 you're spending can't possibly be offset by the rent you're
 getting or the equity you're building...
 >
 > -Curt
 >
 > On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 2:56:36 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
 Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
 >
 >
 > The previous issue was from what appeared to me water intrusion
 from around a window.
 >
 > As I started pulling up more tile the rot just kept going. I
 figured out what the cause was. The renters did not have their
 washing machine connected properly and water was constantly
 leaking behind it. I suspect it might have been leaking down the
 wall at the washer connection. Entire floor along that wall where
 washer sits is rotted out. Will have to remove all the tile from
 the room and cut it out and replace. I did not go that direction
 under the house so could have rotted floor joists as well.
 >
 > Also, plan is to sell the rental in about 3 years and take
 equity and pay off/pay down our current house then refi what is
 left into a 10 year.
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
 >
 > > On Aug 8, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
 > >
 > > Kaleb says:
 > >
 > >> Area is very moist and the crap particle board they >used for
 sub flooring just soaked up the moisture.
 > >
 > > Didn't you have water issues from the roof or something a
 while back?
 > >
 > >> I’m sick of messing with this house and about >ready to just
 dump it for whatever I can get or let >the bank have it.
 > >
 > > Sell it or sell your current house and move back in to this
 one You could probably pay off where ever you want to live
 with the proceeds. No house payments would go a long way to
 building a retirement or buying a 201x E250.
 > >
 > > Rick
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2020-08-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

I believe he suggested a culturally insensitive approach that would be similar, 
yes.

Hee.

-D

> On Aug 8, 2020, at 9:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did he say burn it down?  We did tell the neighbor if they saw that it was 
> ever on fire to NOT call the fire dept.
> 
> On 8/8/2020 7:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Then maybe Rick’s idea wasn’t such a bad one?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My bad its a $4800 deductible.  Basically catastrophic in case the house 
>>> burns down or gets blown away.
>>> 
>>> On 8/8/2020 7:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 Hmm, I didn't think about that.  I may have to file a claim and see what 
 they say.  We do have a big $2k deductible I believe which I am sure if 
 you were paying somebody to completely fix it all would exceed that.
 
 On 8/8/2020 6:31 PM, Karl Wittnebel wrote:
> Typically homeowners covers water damage. The usaa guy told me it is 
> their #1 claim. They even have water detectors you put under your floors 
> that connect to the wifi and alert you to problems; they came out and 
> gave us a bunch. File a claim and get it fixed.
> 
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 2:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> What we get for rent each month covers the mortgage, insurance,
> taxes etc. We have a lot of equity in it which is why we want to
> do the 3 year plan then sell.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 8, 2020, at 2:12 PM, Curt Raymond  > wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Get rid of the rental and use all the money you keep plowing
> into the rental to pay down your current mortgage. The amount
> you're spending can't possibly be offset by the rent you're
> getting or the equity you're building...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 2:56:36 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The previous issue was from what appeared to me water intrusion
> from around a window.
> >
> > As I started pulling up more tile the rot just kept going. I
> figured out what the cause was. The renters did not have their
> washing machine connected properly and water was constantly
> leaking behind it. I suspect it might have been leaking down the
> wall at the washer connection. Entire floor along that wall where
> washer sits is rotted out. Will have to remove all the tile from
> the room and cut it out and replace. I did not go that direction
> under the house so could have rotted floor joists as well.
> >
> > Also, plan is to sell the rental in about 3 years and take
> equity and pay off/pay down our current house then refi what is
> left into a 10 year.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 8, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Kaleb says:
> > >
> > >> Area is very moist and the crap particle board they >used for
> sub flooring just soaked up the moisture.
> > >
> > > Didn't you have water issues from the roof or something a
> while back?
> > >
> > >> I’m sick of messing with this house and about >ready to just
> dump it for whatever I can get or let >the bank have it.
> > >
> > > Sell it or sell your current house and move back in to this
> one You could probably pay off where ever you want to live
> with the proceeds. No house payments would go a long way to
> building a retirement or buying a 201x E250.
> > >
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Did he say burn it down?  We did tell the neighbor if they saw that it 
was ever on fire to NOT call the fire dept.


On 8/8/2020 7:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Then maybe Rick’s idea wasn’t such a bad one?

-D


On Aug 8, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  
wrote:

My bad its a $4800 deductible.  Basically catastrophic in case the house burns 
down or gets blown away.

On 8/8/2020 7:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Hmm, I didn't think about that.  I may have to file a claim and see what they 
say.  We do have a big $2k deductible I believe which I am sure if you were 
paying somebody to completely fix it all would exceed that.

On 8/8/2020 6:31 PM, Karl Wittnebel wrote:

Typically homeowners covers water damage. The usaa guy told me it is their #1 
claim. They even have water detectors you put under your floors that connect to 
the wifi and alert you to problems; they came out and gave us a bunch. File a 
claim and get it fixed.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 2:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

 What we get for rent each month covers the mortgage, insurance,
 taxes etc. We have a lot of equity in it which is why we want to
 do the 3 year plan then sell.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Aug 8, 2020, at 2:12 PM, Curt Raymond mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
 >
 > 
 > Get rid of the rental and use all the money you keep plowing
 into the rental to pay down your current mortgage. The amount
 you're spending can't possibly be offset by the rent you're
 getting or the equity you're building...
 >
 > -Curt
 >
 > On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 2:56:36 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
 Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
 >
 >
 > The previous issue was from what appeared to me water intrusion
 from around a window.
 >
 > As I started pulling up more tile the rot just kept going. I
 figured out what the cause was. The renters did not have their
 washing machine connected properly and water was constantly
 leaking behind it. I suspect it might have been leaking down the
 wall at the washer connection. Entire floor along that wall where
 washer sits is rotted out. Will have to remove all the tile from
 the room and cut it out and replace. I did not go that direction
 under the house so could have rotted floor joists as well.
 >
 > Also, plan is to sell the rental in about 3 years and take
 equity and pay off/pay down our current house then refi what is
 left into a 10 year.
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
 >
 > > On Aug 8, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
 > >
 > > Kaleb says:
 > >
 > >> Area is very moist and the crap particle board they >used for
 sub flooring just soaked up the moisture.
 > >
 > > Didn't you have water issues from the roof or something a
 while back?
 > >
 > >> I’m sick of messing with this house and about >ready to just
 dump it for whatever I can get or let >the bank have it.
 > >
 > > Sell it or sell your current house and move back in to this
 one You could probably pay off where ever you want to live
 with the proceeds. No house payments would go a long way to
 building a retirement or buying a 201x E250.
 > >
 > > Rick
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2020-08-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Then maybe Rick’s idea wasn’t such a bad one?

-D

> On Aug 8, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My bad its a $4800 deductible.  Basically catastrophic in case the house 
> burns down or gets blown away.
> 
> On 8/8/2020 7:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Hmm, I didn't think about that.  I may have to file a claim and see what 
>> they say.  We do have a big $2k deductible I believe which I am sure if you 
>> were paying somebody to completely fix it all would exceed that.
>> 
>> On 8/8/2020 6:31 PM, Karl Wittnebel wrote:
>>> Typically homeowners covers water damage. The usaa guy told me it is their 
>>> #1 claim. They even have water detectors you put under your floors that 
>>> connect to the wifi and alert you to problems; they came out and gave us a 
>>> bunch. File a claim and get it fixed.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 2:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What we get for rent each month covers the mortgage, insurance,
>>> taxes etc. We have a lot of equity in it which is why we want to
>>> do the 3 year plan then sell.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Aug 8, 2020, at 2:12 PM, Curt Raymond >> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > Get rid of the rental and use all the money you keep plowing
>>> into the rental to pay down your current mortgage. The amount
>>> you're spending can't possibly be offset by the rent you're
>>> getting or the equity you're building...
>>> >
>>> > -Curt
>>> >
>>> > On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 2:56:36 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
>>> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The previous issue was from what appeared to me water intrusion
>>> from around a window.
>>> >
>>> > As I started pulling up more tile the rot just kept going. I
>>> figured out what the cause was. The renters did not have their
>>> washing machine connected properly and water was constantly
>>> leaking behind it. I suspect it might have been leaking down the
>>> wall at the washer connection. Entire floor along that wall where
>>> washer sits is rotted out. Will have to remove all the tile from
>>> the room and cut it out and replace. I did not go that direction
>>> under the house so could have rotted floor joists as well.
>>> >
>>> > Also, plan is to sell the rental in about 3 years and take
>>> equity and pay off/pay down our current house then refi what is
>>> left into a 10 year.
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> > > On Aug 8, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Kaleb says:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Area is very moist and the crap particle board they >used for
>>> sub flooring just soaked up the moisture.
>>> > >
>>> > > Didn't you have water issues from the roof or something a
>>> while back?
>>> > >
>>> > >> I’m sick of messing with this house and about >ready to just
>>> dump it for whatever I can get or let >the bank have it.
>>> > >
>>> > > Sell it or sell your current house and move back in to this
>>> one You could probably pay off where ever you want to live
>>> with the proceeds. No house payments would go a long way to
>>> building a retirement or buying a 201x E250.
>>> > >
>>> > > Rick
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My bad its a $4800 deductible.  Basically catastrophic in case the house 
burns down or gets blown away.


On 8/8/2020 7:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Hmm, I didn't think about that.  I may have to file a claim and see 
what they say.  We do have a big $2k deductible I believe which I am 
sure if you were paying somebody to completely fix it all would exceed 
that.


On 8/8/2020 6:31 PM, Karl Wittnebel wrote:
Typically homeowners covers water damage. The usaa guy told me it is 
their #1 claim. They even have water detectors you put under your 
floors that connect to the wifi and alert you to problems; they came 
out and gave us a bunch. File a claim and get it fixed.


On Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 2:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


    What we get for rent each month covers the mortgage, insurance,
    taxes etc. We have a lot of equity in it which is why we want to
    do the 3 year plan then sell.

    Sent from my iPhone

    > On Aug 8, 2020, at 2:12 PM, Curt Raymond mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
    >
    > 
    > Get rid of the rental and use all the money you keep plowing
    into the rental to pay down your current mortgage. The amount
    you're spending can't possibly be offset by the rent you're
    getting or the equity you're building...
    >
    > -Curt
    >
    > On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 2:56:36 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
    Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> 
wrote:

    >
    >
    > The previous issue was from what appeared to me water intrusion
    from around a window.
    >
    > As I started pulling up more tile the rot just kept going. I
    figured out what the cause was. The renters did not have their
    washing machine connected properly and water was constantly
    leaking behind it. I suspect it might have been leaking down the
    wall at the washer connection. Entire floor along that wall where
    washer sits is rotted out. Will have to remove all the tile from
    the room and cut it out and replace. I did not go that direction
    under the house so could have rotted floor joists as well.
    >
    > Also, plan is to sell the rental in about 3 years and take
    equity and pay off/pay down our current house then refi what is
    left into a 10 year.
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > > On Aug 8, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
    mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
    > >
    > > Kaleb says:
    > >
    > >> Area is very moist and the crap particle board they >used for
    sub flooring just soaked up the moisture.
    > >
    > > Didn't you have water issues from the roof or something a
    while back?
    > >
    > >> I’m sick of messing with this house and about >ready to just
    dump it for whatever I can get or let >the bank have it.
    > >
    > > Sell it or sell your current house and move back in to this
    one You could probably pay off where ever you want to live
    with the proceeds. No house payments would go a long way to
    building a retirement or buying a 201x E250.
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Hmm, I didn't think about that.  I may have to file a claim and see what 
they say.  We do have a big $2k deductible I believe which I am sure if 
you were paying somebody to completely fix it all would exceed that.


On 8/8/2020 6:31 PM, Karl Wittnebel wrote:
Typically homeowners covers water damage. The usaa guy told me it is 
their #1 claim. They even have water detectors you put under your 
floors that connect to the wifi and alert you to problems; they came 
out and gave us a bunch. File a claim and get it fixed.


On Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 2:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


What we get for rent each month covers the mortgage, insurance,
taxes etc. We have a lot of equity in it which is why we want to
do the 3 year plan then sell.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 8, 2020, at 2:12 PM, Curt Raymond mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> 
> Get rid of the rental and use all the money you keep plowing
into the rental to pay down your current mortgage. The amount
you're spending can't possibly be offset by the rent you're
getting or the equity you're building...
>
> -Curt
>
> On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 2:56:36 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
>
> The previous issue was from what appeared to me water intrusion
from around a window.
>
> As I started pulling up more tile the rot just kept going. I
figured out what the cause was. The renters did not have their
washing machine connected properly and water was constantly
leaking behind it. I suspect it might have been leaking down the
wall at the washer connection. Entire floor along that wall where
washer sits is rotted out. Will have to remove all the tile from
the room and cut it out and replace. I did not go that direction
under the house so could have rotted floor joists as well.
>
> Also, plan is to sell the rental in about 3 years and take
equity and pay off/pay down our current house then refi what is
left into a 10 year.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 8, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Kaleb says:
> >
> >> Area is very moist and the crap particle board they >used for
sub flooring just soaked up the moisture.
> >
> > Didn't you have water issues from the roof or something a
while back?
> >
> >> I’m sick of messing with this house and about >ready to just
dump it for whatever I can get or let >the bank have it.
> >
> > Sell it or sell your current house and move back in to this
one You could probably pay off where ever you want to live
with the proceeds. No house payments would go a long way to
building a retirement or buying a 201x E250.
> >
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2020-08-08 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes

Typically homeowners covers water damage. The usaa guy told me it is their
#1 claim. They even have water detectors you put under your floors that
connect to the wifi and alert you to problems; they came out and gave us a
bunch. File a claim and get it fixed.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 2:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What we get for rent each month covers the mortgage, insurance, taxes etc.
> We have a lot of equity in it which is why we want to do the 3 year plan
> then sell.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 8, 2020, at 2:12 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Get rid of the rental and use all the money you keep plowing into the
> rental to pay down your current mortgage. The amount you're spending can't
> possibly be offset by the rent you're getting or the equity you're
> building...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 2:56:36 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > The previous issue was from what appeared to me water intrusion from
> around a window.
> >
> > As I started pulling up more tile the rot just kept going. I figured out
> what the cause was. The renters did not have their washing machine
> connected properly and water was constantly leaking behind it. I suspect it
> might have been leaking down the wall at the washer connection. Entire
> floor along that wall where washer sits is rotted out. Will have to remove
> all the tile from the room and cut it out and replace. I did not go that
> direction under the house so could have rotted floor joists as well.
> >
> > Also, plan is to sell the rental in about 3 years and take equity and
> pay off/pay down our current house then refi what is left into a 10 year.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 8, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Kaleb says:
> > >
> > >> Area is very moist and the crap particle board they >used for sub
> flooring just soaked up the moisture.
> > >
> > > Didn't you have water issues from the roof or something a while back?
> > >
> > >> I’m sick of messing with this house and about >ready to just dump it
> for whatever I can get or let  >the bank have it.
> > >
> > > Sell it or sell your current house and move back in to this one
> You could probably pay off where ever you want to live with the proceeds.
> No house payments would go a long way to building a retirement or buying a
> 201x E250.
> > >
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What we get for rent each month covers the mortgage, insurance, taxes etc. We 
have a lot of equity in it which is why we want to do the 3 year plan then 
sell. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 8, 2020, at 2:12 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Get rid of the rental and use all the money you keep plowing into the rental 
> to pay down your current mortgage. The amount you're spending can't possibly 
> be offset by the rent you're getting or the equity you're building...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 2:56:36 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The previous issue was from what appeared to me water intrusion from around a 
> window.
> 
> As I started pulling up more tile the rot just kept going. I figured out what 
> the cause was. The renters did not have their washing machine connected 
> properly and water was constantly leaking behind it. I suspect it might have 
> been leaking down the wall at the washer connection. Entire floor along that 
> wall where washer sits is rotted out. Will have to remove all the tile from 
> the room and cut it out and replace. I did not go that direction under the 
> house so could have rotted floor joists as well. 
> 
> Also, plan is to sell the rental in about 3 years and take equity and pay 
> off/pay down our current house then refi what is left into a 10 year. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 8, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Kaleb says:
> > 
> >> Area is very moist and the crap particle board they >used for sub flooring 
> >> just soaked up the moisture.
> > 
> > Didn't you have water issues from the roof or something a while back?
> > 
> >> I’m sick of messing with this house and about >ready to just dump it for 
> >> whatever I can get or let  >the bank have it.
> > 
> > Sell it or sell your current house and move back in to this one You 
> > could probably pay off where ever you want to live with the proceeds. No 
> > house payments would go a long way to building a retirement or buying a 
> > 201x E250.
> > 
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2020-08-08 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Does the warranty you bought cover only appliances, appliances plus
appliance leakage damage, or everything?

Who connects a washer, turns on the water, and ignores the fact that it's
dripping for a matter of years? Answer: a renter who rents because they
can't handle home ownership responsibilities.

Anyway, back to the A/C while you're under there. The bigger pipe
definitely needs to have insulation over it, and if it's also a heat pump,
insulating the smaller pipe isn't a bad idea.

Mitch.

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2020-08-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 Get rid of the rental and use all the money you keep plowing into the rental 
to pay down your current mortgage. The amount you're spending can't possibly be 
offset by the rent you're getting or the equity you're building...
-Curt

On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 2:56:36 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 The previous issue was from what appeared to me water intrusion from around a 
window.

As I started pulling up more tile the rot just kept going. I figured out what 
the cause was. The renters did not have their washing machine connected 
properly and water was constantly leaking behind it. I suspect it might have 
been leaking down the wall at the washer connection. Entire floor along that 
wall where washer sits is rotted out. Will have to remove all the tile from the 
room and cut it out and replace. I did not go that direction under the house so 
could have rotted floor joists as well. 

Also, plan is to sell the rental in about 3 years and take equity and pay 
off/pay down our current house then refi what is left into a 10 year. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 8, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb says:
> 
>> Area is very moist and the crap particle board they >used for sub flooring 
>> just soaked up the moisture.
> 
> Didn't you have water issues from the roof or something a while back?
> 
>> I’m sick of messing with this house and about >ready to just dump it for 
>> whatever I can get or let  >the bank have it.
> 
> Sell it or sell your current house and move back in to this one You could 
> probably pay off where ever you want to live with the proceeds. No house 
> payments would go a long way to building a retirement or buying a 201x E250.
> 
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The previous issue was from what appeared to me water intrusion from around a 
window.

As I started pulling up more tile the rot just kept going. I figured out what 
the cause was. The renters did not have their washing machine connected 
properly and water was constantly leaking behind it. I suspect it might have 
been leaking down the wall at the washer connection. Entire floor along that 
wall where washer sits is rotted out. Will have to remove all the tile from the 
room and cut it out and replace. I did not go that direction under the house so 
could have rotted floor joists as well. 

Also, plan is to sell the rental in about 3 years and take equity and pay 
off/pay down our current house then refi what is left into a 10 year. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 8, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb says:
> 
>> Area is very moist and the crap particle board they >used for sub flooring 
>> just soaked up the moisture.
> 
> Didn't you have water issues from the roof or something a while back?
> 
>> I’m sick of messing with this house and about >ready to just dump it for 
>> whatever I can get or let  >the bank have it.
> 
> Sell it or sell your current house and move back in to this one You could 
> probably pay off where ever you want to live with the proceeds. No house 
> payments would go a long way to building a retirement or buying a 201x E250.
> 
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2020-08-08 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Kaleb says:

>Area is very moist and the crap particle board they >used for sub flooring 
>just soaked up the moisture.

Didn't you have water issues from the roof or something a while back?

>I’m sick of messing with this house and about >ready to just dump it for 
>whatever I can get or let  >the bank have it.

Sell it or sell your current house and move back in to this one You could 
probably pay off where ever you want to live with the proceeds. No house 
payments would go a long way to building a retirement or buying a 201x E250.

Rick
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2020-08-08 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

You have more troubles that a one armed paperhanger. 

Bob R

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> On Aug 8, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That’s what I did a few years ago in the kitchen when we had a similar 
> issue. I will have to put some cross supports in because the cut out area is 
> joist to joist, but not the ends if that makes sense. I guess I’m just going 
> to replace what I can and call it good. Not a thing I can do about the area 
> under the wall or closet. I assume the whole wall would have to come out. 
> Project is on hold till I figure out the water issue. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2020, at 12:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> While you’ve got the floor up just sister the joists where they’re soft and 
>> call it done.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Aug 8, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So after the renters moved out I’m getting the house ready for the next 
>>> renters that are supposed to move in on the 15th. Lots of damage from dogs. 
>>> Will never allow pets again. They destroyed the new carpet we just put in 
>>> before they moved in. Of bigger concern was an area of cracked tile in the 
>>> utility room. Discovered floor was soft. Pulled it out and an area of about 
>>> 2 feet by 1.5 feet or the area between to floor joists was rotted out. This 
>>> is strange because there are no water sources in the area. After cutting 
>>> out the bad section got under the house to discover more rot. It extends 
>>> further toward and under an adjoining wall and closet. The copper lines 
>>> from from outside the house to the ac unit then right up thru the 
>>> floor/wall in this area to the attic. No insulation is on the pipes. Area 
>>> is very moist and the crap particle board they used for sub flooring just 
>>> soaked up the moisture. Shouldn’t these be insulated all the way to the 
>>> unit? I’m thinking maybe the pipe sweating over the years has rotten this 
>>> out. The floor joists can probably still be used but do have some soft 
>>> spots starting at the bottoms. I’m going to have to figure out why this 
>>> area is getting wet then decide if I can even fix it. About all I could do 
>>> is replace the area of the floor that gets traffic but it would still be 
>>> rotted out under that wall and into the closet. Fortunately the closed has 
>>> a floor built up off the main floor as it is a pantry. The idiots who built 
>>> the house have the ac drain pipe running down this walk in question and 
>>> drains into a sewer pipe under the closet area. Drain pipe comes out of the 
>>> wall across the subfloor of the closet then down to the sewer pipe. That is 
>>> why the 2nd floor is built up from the main sub floor to allow the pipe to 
>>> pass. Why they didn’t just run it straight down to the crawl space then 
>>> outside I have no clue. I’m sick of messing with this house and about ready 
>>> to just dump it for whatever I can get or let the bank have it. 
>>> 
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That’s what I did a few years ago in the kitchen when we had a similar issue. I 
will have to put some cross supports in because the cut out area is joist to 
joist, but not the ends if that makes sense. I guess I’m just going to replace 
what I can and call it good. Not a thing I can do about the area under the wall 
or closet. I assume the whole wall would have to come out. Project is on hold 
till I figure out the water issue. 

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> On Aug 8, 2020, at 12:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> While you’ve got the floor up just sister the joists where they’re soft and 
> call it done.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So after the renters moved out I’m getting the house ready for the next 
>> renters that are supposed to move in on the 15th. Lots of damage from dogs. 
>> Will never allow pets again. They destroyed the new carpet we just put in 
>> before they moved in. Of bigger concern was an area of cracked tile in the 
>> utility room. Discovered floor was soft. Pulled it out and an area of about 
>> 2 feet by 1.5 feet or the area between to floor joists was rotted out. This 
>> is strange because there are no water sources in the area. After cutting out 
>> the bad section got under the house to discover more rot. It extends further 
>> toward and under an adjoining wall and closet. The copper lines from from 
>> outside the house to the ac unit then right up thru the floor/wall in this 
>> area to the attic. No insulation is on the pipes. Area is very moist and the 
>> crap particle board they used for sub flooring just soaked up the moisture. 
>> Shouldn’t these be insulated all the way to the unit? I’m thinking maybe the 
>> pipe sweating over the years has rotten this out. The floor joists can 
>> probably still be used but do have some soft spots starting at the bottoms. 
>> I’m going to have to figure out why this area is getting wet then decide if 
>> I can even fix it. About all I could do is replace the area of the floor 
>> that gets traffic but it would still be rotted out under that wall and into 
>> the closet. Fortunately the closed has a floor built up off the main floor 
>> as it is a pantry. The idiots who built the house have the ac drain pipe 
>> running down this walk in question and drains into a sewer pipe under the 
>> closet area. Drain pipe comes out of the wall across the subfloor of the 
>> closet then down to the sewer pipe. That is why the 2nd floor is built up 
>> from the main sub floor to allow the pipe to pass. Why they didn’t just run 
>> it straight down to the crawl space then outside I have no clue. I’m sick of 
>> messing with this house and about ready to just dump it for whatever I can 
>> get or let the bank have it. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The rental

2020-08-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 11:55:57 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> So after the renters moved out I’m getting the house ready for the next
> renters that are supposed to move in on the 15th. Lots of damage from
> dogs. Will never allow pets again. They destroyed the new carpet we
> just put in before they moved in.

Being a responsible pet owner, I would have problems with this.
How about a large pet damage deposit in addition to the ordinary deposit?


> Of bigger concern was an area of cracked tile in the utility room.
> Discovered floor was soft. Pulled it out and an area of about 2 feet by
> 1.5 feet or the area between to floor joists was rotted out.

Oh, oh.


> The copper lines from from outside the house to the ac unit then right
> up thru the floor/wall in this area to the attic. No insulation is on
> the pipes. Area is very moist and the crap particle board they used for
> sub flooring just soaked up the moisture. Shouldn’t these be insulated
> all the way to the unit?

Yes, they should.


> I’m thinking maybe the pipe sweating over the years has rotten this
> out.

I agree with that conclusion.


> The floor joists can probably still be used but do have some soft spots
> starting at the bottoms. I’m going to have to figure out why this area
> is getting wet then decide if I can even fix it. About all I could do
> is replace the area of the floor that gets traffic but it would still
> be rotted out under that wall and into the closet. Fortunately the
> closed has a floor built up off the main floor as it is a pantry.

In addition to replacing the area of the floor, you could add new
cripples to the existing joists.


> The idiots who built the house have the ac drain pipe running down this
> walk in question and drains into a sewer pipe under the closet area.
> Drain pipe comes out of the wall across the subfloor of the closet then
> down to the sewer pipe. That is why the 2nd floor is built up from the
> main sub floor to allow the pipe to pass. Why they didn’t just run it
> straight down to the crawl space then outside I have no clue.

They indeed should have daylighted the drain line.


> I’m sick of messing with this house and about ready to just dump it for
> whatever I can get or let the bank have it. 

I can understand wanting to dump it! Letting the bank have it is a bad
idea. Fix it up and sell it seems the best way out.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The rental

2020-08-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

While you’ve got the floor up just sister the joists where they’re soft and 
call it done.

-D

> On Aug 8, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So after the renters moved out I’m getting the house ready for the next 
> renters that are supposed to move in on the 15th. Lots of damage from dogs. 
> Will never allow pets again. They destroyed the new carpet we just put in 
> before they moved in. Of bigger concern was an area of cracked tile in the 
> utility room. Discovered floor was soft. Pulled it out and an area of about 2 
> feet by 1.5 feet or the area between to floor joists was rotted out. This is 
> strange because there are no water sources in the area. After cutting out the 
> bad section got under the house to discover more rot. It extends further 
> toward and under an adjoining wall and closet. The copper lines from from 
> outside the house to the ac unit then right up thru the floor/wall in this 
> area to the attic. No insulation is on the pipes. Area is very moist and the 
> crap particle board they used for sub flooring just soaked up the moisture. 
> Shouldn’t these be insulated all the way to the unit? I’m thinking maybe the 
> pipe sweating over the years has rotten this out. The floor joists can 
> probably still be used but do have some soft spots starting at the bottoms. 
> I’m going to have to figure out why this area is getting wet then decide if I 
> can even fix it. About all I could do is replace the area of the floor that 
> gets traffic but it would still be rotted out under that wall and into the 
> closet. Fortunately the closed has a floor built up off the main floor as it 
> is a pantry. The idiots who built the house have the ac drain pipe running 
> down this walk in question and drains into a sewer pipe under the closet 
> area. Drain pipe comes out of the wall across the subfloor of the closet then 
> down to the sewer pipe. That is why the 2nd floor is built up from the main 
> sub floor to allow the pipe to pass. Why they didn’t just run it straight 
> down to the crawl space then outside I have no clue. I’m sick of messing with 
> this house and about ready to just dump it for whatever I can get or let the 
> bank have it. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT rental sprayers

2011-09-26 Thread Douglas

Its called Pump Armor.

-Original Message- 
From: Jim Cathey 
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:21 AM 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT rental sprayers 

There is a material you can buy that
preserves the paint gun [keeps it from rusting etc]

Paint thinner?  That's what I use.  Once I switched to storing
it with thinner sitting in it no more frozen check valves, it's
ready to run whenever I need it.  I pump paint through it outside
until it looks like just paint is coming through, then go a-paintin'.
Clean with water, then thinner and store.

But I'd check with the rental place about exactly how you
are expected to clean it, and do what they say.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] OT rental sprayers

2011-09-25 Thread Jim Cathey


There is a material you can buy that
preserves the paint gun [keeps it from rusting etc]


Paint thinner?  That's what I use.  Once I switched to storing
it with thinner sitting in it no more frozen check valves, it's
ready to run whenever I need it.  I pump paint through it outside
until it looks like just paint is coming through, then go a-paintin'.
Clean with water, then thinner and store.

But I'd check with the rental place about exactly how you
are expected to clean it, and do what they say.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT rental sprayers

2011-09-24 Thread RELNGSON

 The best thing about the rental bulk sprayers is that they can cover 
 a very large area in a short time.
 
 A couple of caveats:
 
 They use a LOT of paint
 
 You have to move quickly, or you will put down a gallon of paint in a very 
 small area
 
 Once you get the hang of it things, go very rapidly. Just find a place you 
 can practice a couple of shots and you'll be good to go
 
All so true. I rented an airless sprayer a few years back to re-stain my 
front fence which was about 70 feet long. Of course I had little idea about 
what I was doing but knew I wasn't going do it with a brush. I'll bet I used 
two gallons of stain but the fence was well and truly covered along with a 
bit on me. The application may have taken 15 minutes but the cleanup of the 
equipment took far longer. The rental place made it plain that if they had to 
do any cleaning I was going to pay plenty for their work.

RLE
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT rental sprayers

2011-09-24 Thread G Mann

On the presumption you are using water based paint [most are in todays
market] try this.
Fill a 5 gallon plastic pail with plain water, add a bit of dish soap, any
time you stop spraying drop the spray handle into the bucket.  While you are
doing other stuff, the paint is soaking off the outside of the rig. When you
are done painting scrub the spray nozzle and handle with a nylon brush in
the soapy water.  Drop the pickup tube into the 5 gallon bucket and [outside
of course] spray soapy water through the rig until it stops spraying paint
and starts spraying clean water.  Change the soapy water to clean fresh
water and flush the system with that.  There is a material you can buy that
preserves the paint gun [keeps it from rusting etc]  I can't remember the
name of it just now [old timers disease I suppose] but if you ask your paint
supply store about it, I'm betting they know it and carry it.  Run some of
that through the pump/sprayer/lines as a final rinse and your rental yard
will love you.  Takes longer to type all this than it does to do it.  I
always use this procedure with my airless rigs [I have two] and never have a
problem.  All the airless pumps use a diaphram style pumping system so you
won't hurt it with water or soapy water. for that matter I use one of my
airless rigs to paint trucks and large equipment with automotive type
paint... clean up by running thinner through the lines and nozzle.. same
cleanup system.. different type paint. {fyi,, it takes a special nozzle size
and type to spray automotive paint}

HTH, Happy painting.

Grant...

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 3:03 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

  The best thing about the rental bulk sprayers is that they can cover
  a very large area in a short time.
 
  A couple of caveats:
 
  They use a LOT of paint
 
  You have to move quickly, or you will put down a gallon of paint in a
 very
  small area
 
  Once you get the hang of it things, go very rapidly. Just find a place
 you
  can practice a couple of shots and you'll be good to go
 
 All so true. I rented an airless sprayer a few years back to re-stain my
 front fence which was about 70 feet long. Of course I had little idea about
 what I was doing but knew I wasn't going do it with a brush. I'll bet I
 used
 two gallons of stain but the fence was well and truly covered along with a
 bit on me. The application may have taken 15 minutes but the cleanup of the
 equipment took far longer. The rental place made it plain that if they had
 to
 do any cleaning I was going to pay plenty for their work.

 RLE
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car this week

2009-06-12 Thread R A Bennell

I always thought they were good looking. I remember when I first read that they 
were going to be produced. I was
interested until I found out how small they were going to be. I initially 
envisioned something the size of a
Suburban - sort of like the original cars they are modeled after - tall and 
long.
I still think they are cute but unfortunately, they have real bad crash 
statistics too. That sort of turns me off.

Randy

-Original Message-
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car this week


I had one of those a year or two ago in BNA, and even though I have a
fairly skinny butt the seats felt like I was sitting in a 5 gal bucket.
I can't imagine a fatass sitting in one, though I guess the padding
would help.  I thought it was buzzy and noisy, and the radio was not
particularly intuitive (whatever happened to a tuning knob and a volume
knob and a few buttons to push/hold to set for the stations?).  Once I
figured it out it sorta made sense in a Chinglish kind of way.  The
first one I got from the rental place (just a few thou miles on it), I
got about 100 ft and the RF half shaft/CV was clunking and screeching,
so I went back and got another one.  (CV joint, whussat?  Uh, that
means the wheel might break or fall off if I hit a good bump.)  When I
got back a couple days later they still had that first one on the rental
lot.  But you are right it was a reasonable mover and easy on gas.

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:
 So this week I'm back in southern California. I flew in late on Monday 
 thinking I would get a better rental car,
WRONG! I've got a PT Cruiser.

 Actually if I'm honest I'll admit that its not anywhere near as crappy a car 
 as I thought it'd be. Its UGLY sure,
and the headrests are about the most uncomfortable I've ever seen...
 The floor mounted shifter is kinda cool, the gauges are mostly obscured by 
 the steering wheel and the radio
controls are annoying although it does have an aux jack...

 I'll tell you what though, I've been thrashing the crap out of the thing, 
 every freeway onramp I've taken has
been at full throttle and the thing that surprises me is that there isn't the 
torque steer I'd expect from such a
reasonably powerful small car...

 I wouldn't buy one but its not all that bad a car.

 -Curt




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car this week

2009-06-12 Thread Curt Raymond

Just proves that everybody's tastes are different. I hate the PT Cruiser and 
the copycat Chevy HHR...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:15:53 -0500
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I always thought they were good looking. I remember when I first read that they 
were going to be produced. I was
interested until I found out how small they were going to be. I initially 
envisioned something the size of a
Suburban - sort of like the original cars they are modeled after - tall and 
long.
I still think they are cute but unfortunately, they have real bad crash 
statistics too. That sort of turns me off.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car this week

2009-06-11 Thread Rich Thomas

I had one of those a year or two ago in BNA, and even though I have a
fairly skinny butt the seats felt like I was sitting in a 5 gal bucket.
I can't imagine a fatass sitting in one, though I guess the padding
would help. I thought it was buzzy and noisy, and the radio was not
particularly intuitive (whatever happened to a tuning knob and a volume
knob and a few buttons to push/hold to set for the stations?). Once I
figured it out it sorta made sense in a Chinglish kind of way. The
first one I got from the rental place (just a few thou miles on it), I
got about 100 ft and the RF half shaft/CV was clunking and screeching,
so I went back and got another one. (CV joint, whussat? Uh, that
means the wheel might break or fall off if I hit a good bump.) When I
got back a couple days later they still had that first one on the rental
lot. But you are right it was a reasonable mover and easy on gas.

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:

So this week I'm back in southern California. I flew in late on Monday thinking
I would get a better rental car, WRONG! I've got a PT Cruiser.

Actually if I'm honest I'll admit that its not anywhere near as crappy a car as
I thought it'd be. Its UGLY sure, and the headrests are about the most
uncomfortable I've ever seen...
The floor mounted shifter is kinda cool, the gauges are mostly obscured by the
steering wheel and the radio controls are annoying although it does have an aux
jack...

I'll tell you what though, I've been thrashing the crap out of the thing, every
freeway onramp I've taken has been at full throttle and the thing that
surprises me is that there isn't the torque steer I'd expect from such a
reasonably powerful small car...

I wouldn't buy one but its not all that bad a car.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car this week

2009-06-11 Thread Peter T. Arnold

My wife has 100Kmi on hers. She thinks its wonderful. One $1000 repair
to a water leak at the front of engine.

Pete

Curt Raymond wrote:

So this week I'm back in southern California. I flew in late on Monday thinking
I would get a better rental car, WRONG! I've got a PT Cruiser.

I wouldn't buy one but its not all that bad a car.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

2008-08-05 Thread Rich Thomas

You weigh over 500lb?  Why?

--R

Gary Hurst wrote:
 i weigh over 500 and drive a saturn L200 just fine.

 On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 Trust me, I test-drove one. I don't think the seat goes that far
 back. But perhaps, since at 6'4 I had sufficient head and leg room.
   
 I know a guy who's at least 400 lbs drives a Ford Focus hatchback.

 Says he has plenty of room

 Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

2008-08-05 Thread Gary Hurst

i don't know.  i have like 60k miles on the thing and it doesn't seem
unhappy.  been driving it more than ever lately on account of this fuel
business.

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 Gary Hurst wrote:
  i weigh over 500 and drive a saturn L200 just fine.

 Until it spits up its valve train in protest.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

2008-08-05 Thread Mitch Haley

Gary Hurst wrote:
 i don't know.  i have like 60k miles on the thing and it doesn't seem
 unhappy.  been driving it more than ever lately on account of this fuel
 business.

I hear the 2004 and later engines had a larger oil jet for the timing chain.
I don't know how big a deal it is to retrofit. I'd surely be using Mobil 1
in that car if it were you.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

2008-08-05 Thread Gary Hurst

yeah, only mobil 1.  at some point i need to upgrade the timing chain, but
it costs about a grand to do and GM's position, as we have discussed here
before, is that those timing chains are all breaking because of the owner
and not their faulty product.

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 Gary Hurst wrote:
  i don't know.  i have like 60k miles on the thing and it doesn't seem
  unhappy.  been driving it more than ever lately on account of this fuel
  business.

 I hear the 2004 and later engines had a larger oil jet for the timing
 chain.
 I don't know how big a deal it is to retrofit. I'd surely be using Mobil 1
 in that car if it were you.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

2008-08-05 Thread Mitch Haley

Gary Hurst wrote:
 at some point i need to upgrade the timing chain, but
 it costs about a grand to do 

I was wondering if it was possible to upgrade the oil feed to the chain without 
messing with the chain itself. I don't know if the oil is metered by a drilled 
hole, a replaceable oil metering jet, or what.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

2008-08-05 Thread Loren Faeth

It is undoubtedly a hole, drilled or cast.  They would not spend the 
extra quarter an engine to put in a precision orifice.  I would guess 
drilling it out could have dramatic beneficial results.

At 03:09 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
Gary Hurst wrote:
  at some point i need to upgrade the timing chain, but
  it costs about a grand to do

I was wondering if it was possible to upgrade the oil feed to the 
chain without
messing with the chain itself. I don't know if the oil is metered by 
a drilled
hole, a replaceable oil metering jet, or what.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

2008-08-04 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So then I notice that the sub-compact is now a Chevy Aveo, compact is a
 Nissan Versa, midsize gets you into a Cobalt or Focus... Wow, it wasn't
 so long ago the Cobalt was a compact 

I rented a few cars recently for work travel, and noticed they were
smaller. I thought that might have had something to do with the Lab's
change from Budget to Hertz as a supplier, but from what you're saying,
maybe not.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

i normally just get a lincoln town car

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
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  So then I notice that the sub-compact is now a Chevy Aveo, compact is a
  Nissan Versa, midsize gets you into a Cobalt or Focus... Wow, it wasn't
  so long ago the Cobalt was a compact

 I rented a few cars recently for work travel, and noticed they were
 smaller. I thought that might have had something to do with the Lab's
 change from Budget to Hertz as a supplier, but from what you're saying,
 maybe not.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

I'd pay the rental fee to see you driving an Aveo.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

i don't even know what that is

i get a lincoln town car.  of course, i manipulate them into giving me one
on the cheap.

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 I'd pay the rental fee to see you driving an Aveo.

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  i normally just get a lincoln town car
 
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

2008-08-04 Thread Mitch Haley

Gary Hurst wrote:
 i don't even know what that is

http://www.chevrolet.com/aveo

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

i'd fit fine.  it's suprisingly big, y'know

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  i don't even know what that is

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

Trust me, I test-drove one. I don't think the seat goes that far back. But
perhaps, since at 6'4 I had sufficient head and leg room.

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 i'd fit fine.  it's suprisingly big, y'know

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  Gary Hurst wrote:
   i don't even know what that is
 
  http://www.chevrolet.com/aveo
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

2008-08-04 Thread Allan Streib

Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Trust me, I test-drove one. I don't think the seat goes that far
 back. But perhaps, since at 6'4 I had sufficient head and leg room.

I know a guy who's at least 400 lbs drives a Ford Focus hatchback.

Says he has plenty of room

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

Send pictures.

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Trust me, I test-drove one. I don't think the seat goes that far
  back. But perhaps, since at 6'4 I had sufficient head and leg room.

 I know a guy who's at least 400 lbs drives a Ford Focus hatchback.

 Says he has plenty of room

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

i weigh over 500 and drive a saturn L200 just fine.

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 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Trust me, I test-drove one. I don't think the seat goes that far
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 I know a guy who's at least 400 lbs drives a Ford Focus hatchback.

 Says he has plenty of room

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

That is good. You wear it well. Is 100 lbs. of that hair?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

not sure, but i do have a ton of hair. let me go see if i can find a recent
pic from teh soccer games

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 That is good. You wear it well. Is 100 lbs. of that hair?

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  i weigh over 500 and drive a saturn L200 just fine.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

found one of my protoge on the team

http://digital-diva.smugmug.com/gallery/5093489_jbtsN#335525482_6AT8p-XL-LB

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 not sure, but i do have a ton of hair. let me go see if i can find a recent
 pic from teh soccer games


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 That is good. You wear it well. Is 100 lbs. of that hair?

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  i weigh over 500 and drive a saturn L200 just fine.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

2008-08-04 Thread Loren Faeth

It is a tin can car with pedals and 4 wheels left over from the 
chevrolet soap box derbies, back when soap came in a wooden box.

At 08:42 PM 8/4/2008, you wrote:
i don't even know what that is

i get a lincoln town car.  of course, i manipulate them into giving me one
on the cheap.

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  I'd pay the rental fee to see you driving an Aveo.
 
  On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   i normally just get a lincoln town car
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

I am going to back out here before this list turns into Banned.

D.


On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 found one of my protoge on the team

 http://digital-diva.smugmug.com/gallery/5093489_jbtsN#335525482_6AT8p-XL-LB

 On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  not sure, but i do have a ton of hair. let me go see if i can find a
 recent
  pic from teh soccer games
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  That is good. You wear it well. Is 100 lbs. of that hair?
 
  On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
   i weigh over 500 and drive a saturn L200 just fine.
  
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Rental car

Actually, it was quite a joy to drive. Not intended for cross-country
voyages but perfect for in-town driving. I would have bought it were it not
for an annoying undercarriage leak that I discovered. I think they were
asking $4K.

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 It is a tin can car with pedals and 4 wheels left over from the
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