Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
I used to drive my 1951 VW manual, no synchro at all, with no clutch - match the engine speed when down shifting just as if you'd double clutched, but with more accuracy, or "crunch". Granted, the power used ws considerably less (25hp when new). On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Fmiser wrote: > > > Peter Hertzing wrote: > > > > > > ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic > > > transmissions because they couldn't find drivers who could > > > drive manual tranny's. I remmeber when the same thing > > > happened to the bus line I was driving for. Sad day and > > > definitly less quality drivers. > > > Craig wrote: > > > > I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I > > took to and from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, > > non-synchro transmission. He had to double-clutch every shift > > and did a very good job of it. > > Double-clutch on every shift? That's a lot of extra effort. > A fair driver should be able to single clutch on all up-shifts and save > the effort of double-clutching for down-shifts. > > A good driver will float all the up-shifts. > > -- Philip > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
Some years ago I seem to recall my driver showing me an inline 6 that was fuel injected in his "car". I believe he said something about it being able to burn a wide range of fuels. Dan On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: > A buddy of mine worked with UPS many years ago to help design an engine for > the kind of driving the "cars" (the guy who started UPS insisted on this > terminology, and I think it was a firing offense to refer to them otherwise) > did, back after the initial fuel "shortage" in Jimmy Cahtah days. Diesel was > the chosen mode, and they had these proprietary engines designed and built to > use in their vehicles. I think that is why they were later crushed, to keep > the technology from being copied, and also to keep confusion down if someone > else had them running around. Don't know these days if they have standard > commercial engines or not, the technology probably caught up to provide good > economy and performance. > > Far as I know they are all still crushed after lifetime is exceeded. > > --R > > On 4/25/12 10:35 AM, Allan Streib wrote: >> UPS trucks do a lot of slow, stop and go, city driving. Diesel might not be >> the best choice. Also the difference in the per-gallon price between diesel >> and gasoline is getting pretty large, and diesel engines are more expensive >> initially. >> >> UPS don't keep their trucks long enough for longevity to be a factor. They >> sell them off after a couple of years. >> >> Allan >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 07:39 PM, WILTON wrote: >>> #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck >>> sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the >>> usual Diesel. UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven trucks." >>> >>> BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now. >>> >>> Wilton >>> '87 300D (126 kmi) >>> '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi) >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Allan Streib wrote: > > > I don't see how selling the "cars" could create liability, once a vehicle > > is sold the prior owner is no longer liable I would not think. > > Unless the prior owner designed said vehicle, then he'd be on the hook for > any > product liability concerns. I see them using Sprinters around here, certainly they did not design those. Are the traditional UPS "cars" of their own design? That seems crazy. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
Allan Streib wrote: I don't see how selling the "cars" could create liability, once a vehicle is sold the prior owner is no longer liable I would not think. Unless the prior owner designed said vehicle, then he'd be on the hook for any product liability concerns. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: > On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:35 AM, "Allan Streib" wrote: > > > UPS don't keep their trucks long enough for longevity to be a factor. They > > sell them off after a couple of years. > > > No. Some package cars are quite old. > Also, as Tarek (sp) stated earlier, the retired package cars are destroyed, > presumably for liability reasons. I stand corrected, I had assumed like most vehicle fleets they didn't keep anything past a fairly recent vintage. I don't see how selling the "cars" could create liability, once a vehicle is sold the prior owner is no longer liable I would not think. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
A buddy of mine worked with UPS many years ago to help design an engine for the kind of driving the "cars" (the guy who started UPS insisted on this terminology, and I think it was a firing offense to refer to them otherwise) did, back after the initial fuel "shortage" in Jimmy Cahtah days. Diesel was the chosen mode, and they had these proprietary engines designed and built to use in their vehicles. I think that is why they were later crushed, to keep the technology from being copied, and also to keep confusion down if someone else had them running around. Don't know these days if they have standard commercial engines or not, the technology probably caught up to provide good economy and performance. Far as I know they are all still crushed after lifetime is exceeded. --R On 4/25/12 10:35 AM, Allan Streib wrote: UPS trucks do a lot of slow, stop and go, city driving. Diesel might not be the best choice. Also the difference in the per-gallon price between diesel and gasoline is getting pretty large, and diesel engines are more expensive initially. UPS don't keep their trucks long enough for longevity to be a factor. They sell them off after a couple of years. Allan On Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 07:39 PM, WILTON wrote: #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the usual Diesel. UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven trucks." BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now. Wilton '87 300D (126 kmi) '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:35 AM, "Allan Streib" wrote: > UPS don't keep their trucks long enough for longevity to be a factor. They > sell them off after a couple of years. No. Some package cars are quite old. Also, as Tarek (sp) stated earlier, the retired package cars are destroyed, presumably for liability reasons. Rick Who works for UPS Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 11:09 AM, TE wrote: > UPS destroys their package cars when they are retired from service. First, > the package car is stripped of its badging, decals, etc. Next it is painted > white, crushed to pieces and photographed. Really? I had no idea. Why is that? Doesn't seem to make sense, on the surface. Why not get the residual value on the used market? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 07:50 PM, Craig wrote: > I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I took to and > from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, non-synchro transmission. > He had to double-clutch every shift and did a very good job of it. When I was a kid my school bus was a manual shift. The grandmotherly woman who drove it did a fine job too. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
UPS trucks do a lot of slow, stop and go, city driving. Diesel might not be the best choice. Also the difference in the per-gallon price between diesel and gasoline is getting pretty large, and diesel engines are more expensive initially. UPS don't keep their trucks long enough for longevity to be a factor. They sell them off after a couple of years. Allan On Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 07:39 PM, WILTON wrote: > #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck > sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the usual > Diesel. UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven trucks." > > BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now. > > Wilton > '87 300D (126 kmi) > '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
Ridin da dawg! --R On 4/25/12 9:00 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: On a Harley 74 on the old three lane road between Washington and Richmond, tried to pass a Greyhound. Got even with it but couldn't do it because the oil temperature got too high. This was in 1948. There were two of us on the bike. Might have done it with only one. "Oh Lord, before I'm turned to dust, please let me pass a Greyhound bus." Gerry From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> "one of these day's I wanna run the wheels right off... a greyhound bus..." I think that is Red Sovine isn't it? The oldtime truckdriver's lament. Back when men were men, and the US dominated the world. NO whiny wusses like we have now. nothing makes you feel as good as an old spicer 4 or 5 speed with an 6 or 8v71 behind you. When you get it down its like butter. On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:33:23 -0500 Peter Hertzing wrote: > ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic transmissions > because they couldn't find drivers who could drive manual tranny's. I > remmeber when the same thing happened to the bus line I was driving > for. Sad day and definitly less quality drivers. I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I took to and from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, non-synchro transmission. He had to double-clutch every shift and did a very good job of it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4957 - Release Date: 04/24/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
On a Harley 74 on the old three lane road between Washington and Richmond, tried to pass a Greyhound. Got even with it but couldn't do it because the oil temperature got too high. This was in 1948. There were two of us on the bike. Might have done it with only one. "Oh Lord, before I'm turned to dust, please let me pass a Greyhound bus." Gerry From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> "one of these day's I wanna run the wheels right off... a greyhound bus..." I think that is Red Sovine isn't it? The oldtime truckdriver's lament. Back when men were men, and the US dominated the world. NO whiny wusses like we have now. nothing makes you feel as good as an old spicer 4 or 5 speed with an 6 or 8v71 behind you. When you get it down its like butter. On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:33:23 -0500 Peter Hertzing wrote: > ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic transmissions > because they couldn't find drivers who could drive manual tranny's. I > remmeber when the same thing happened to the bus line I was driving > for. Sad day and definitly less quality drivers. I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I took to and from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, non-synchro transmission. He had to double-clutch every shift and did a very good job of it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4957 - Release Date: 04/24/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
Nope, only LNG. To be honest, these things are so few and far in between at UPS, they are used more as a PR tool than a delivery tool. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas? TE wrote: >LNG has always been a part of the UPS fleet, though in limited >quantities and only in select areas (e.g. the Pleasantdale GA hub). Are any of these bi-fuel (LNG or #2 diesel)? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
TE wrote: >LNG has always been a part of the UPS fleet, though in limited >quantities >and only in select areas (e.g. the Pleasantdale GA hub). Are any of these bi-fuel (LNG or #2 diesel)? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
Brian Toscano wrote: >http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/u-p-s-finds-a-substitute-for-diesel-natural-gas-at-260-degrees-below-zero/ > > That is good news, I think we'll see more and more LNG and CNG vehicles, which will pressure OPEC / Saudis to lower the price of oil. Then I can drive flat out for less money, critters and slow drivers be da##ed. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
> >A good driver will float all the up-shifts. > >-- Philip > What does it mean to "float an up-shift"? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
> > Peter Hertzing wrote: > > > > ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic > > transmissions because they couldn't find drivers who could > > drive manual tranny's. I remmeber when the same thing > > happened to the bus line I was driving for. Sad day and > > definitly less quality drivers. > Craig wrote: > > I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I > took to and from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, > non-synchro transmission. He had to double-clutch every shift > and did a very good job of it. Double-clutch on every shift? That's a lot of extra effort. A fair driver should be able to single clutch on all up-shifts and save the effort of double-clutching for down-shifts. A good driver will float all the up-shifts. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
UPS destroys their package cars when they are retired from service. First, the package car is stripped of its badging, decals, etc. Next it is painted white, crushed to pieces and photographed. There are still a lot of vehicles in service from the mid 90's and even many of the new package cars still come equipped with the Spicer 5 speed. The new automatic transmissions are prevalent on the smaller size package cars (e.g. P500, P570), but the reason behind them is not to lure drivers who cannot operate a manual transmission. Every service provider who goes through driver training at UPS is trained on a specially designed 'training' package car, equipped with a manual transmission. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas? Peter Hertzing wrote: > nothing makes you feel as good as an old spicer 4 or 5 speed with an 6 > or > 8v71 behind you. When you get it down its like butter. The only package car I looked under the hood of (1995 vintage) had a Spicer 5 speed and a Cummins 6BT with P7100 inline pump. At the time, about ten years ago, I really wanted to get my hands on a retired package car like that. But it seems UPS does not sell its delivery trucks like Frito-Lay does. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
"one of these day's I wanna run the wheels right off... a greyhound bus..." I think that is Red Sovine isn't it? The oldtime truckdriver's lament. Back when men were men, and the US dominated the world. NO whiny wusses like we have now. nothing makes you feel as good as an old spicer 4 or 5 speed with an 6 or 8v71 behind you. When you get it down its like butter. On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:33:23 -0500 Peter Hertzing wrote: > ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic transmissions > because they couldn't find drivers who could drive manual tranny's. I > remmeber when the same thing happened to the bus line I was driving > for. Sad day and definitly less quality drivers. I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I took to and from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, non-synchro transmission. He had to double-clutch every shift and did a very good job of it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
Peter Hertzing wrote: nothing makes you feel as good as an old spicer 4 or 5 speed with an 6 or 8v71 behind you. When you get it down its like butter. The only package car I looked under the hood of (1995 vintage) had a Spicer 5 speed and a Cummins 6BT with P7100 inline pump. At the time, about ten years ago, I really wanted to get my hands on a retired package car like that. But it seems UPS does not sell its delivery trucks like Frito-Lay does. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
nothing makes you feel as good as an old spicer 4 or 5 speed with an 6 or 8v71 behind you. When you get it down its like butter. On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Craig wrote: > On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:33:23 -0500 Peter Hertzing > wrote: > > > ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic transmissions > > because they couldn't find drivers who could drive manual tranny's. I > > remmeber when the same thing happened to the bus line I was driving > > for. Sad day and definitly less quality drivers. > > I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I took to and > from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, non-synchro transmission. > He had to double-clutch every shift and did a very good job of it. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:33:23 -0500 Peter Hertzing wrote: > ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic transmissions > because they couldn't find drivers who could drive manual tranny's. I > remmeber when the same thing happened to the bus line I was driving > for. Sad day and definitly less quality drivers. I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I took to and from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, non-synchro transmission. He had to double-clutch every shift and did a very good job of it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
Big change on teh UPS trucks is auto tranny. Have a friend who delivers the to the hubs when new ones arrive and they have had to replace trucks with automatic transmissions because they couldn't find drivers who could drive manual tranny's. I remmeber when the same thing happened to the bus line I was driving for. Sad day and definitly less quality drivers. On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:07 PM, TE wrote: > LNG has always been a part of the UPS fleet, though in limited quantities > and only in select areas (e.g. the Pleasantdale GA hub). Typically, the > size > of the package car (correct UPS term) dictates whether or not the engine is > diesel or gas. The larger package cars (P1000, P1200) always have diesel > engines, whereas the smaller package cars (P500, P570) have gas engines. > > I haven't seen a feeder truck with LNG until that picture. Usually we would > try to incorporate those technologies into vehicles that are more "customer > facing", so to speak. > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of Brian Toscano > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:19 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas? > > > http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/u-p-s-finds-a-substitute-for-diese > l-natural-gas-at-260-degrees-below-zero/ > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:01 PM, TE wrote: > > > UPS has always had both gas and diesel trucks. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com > > [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > > On Behalf Of WILTON > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:39 AM > > To: mercedes list > > Subject: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas? > > > > #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck > > sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the > > usual Diesel. UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven > > trucks." > > > > BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now. > > > > Wilton > > '87 300D (126 kmi) > > '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi) > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
LNG has always been a part of the UPS fleet, though in limited quantities and only in select areas (e.g. the Pleasantdale GA hub). Typically, the size of the package car (correct UPS term) dictates whether or not the engine is diesel or gas. The larger package cars (P1000, P1200) always have diesel engines, whereas the smaller package cars (P500, P570) have gas engines. I haven't seen a feeder truck with LNG until that picture. Usually we would try to incorporate those technologies into vehicles that are more "customer facing", so to speak. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas? http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/u-p-s-finds-a-substitute-for-diese l-natural-gas-at-260-degrees-below-zero/ On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:01 PM, TE wrote: > UPS has always had both gas and diesel trucks. > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com > [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of WILTON > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:39 AM > To: mercedes list > Subject: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas? > > #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck > sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the > usual Diesel. UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven > trucks." > > BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now. > > Wilton > '87 300D (126 kmi) > '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/u-p-s-finds-a-substitute-for-diesel-natural-gas-at-260-degrees-below-zero/ On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:01 PM, TE wrote: > UPS has always had both gas and diesel trucks. > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of WILTON > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:39 AM > To: mercedes list > Subject: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas? > > #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck > sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the > usual > Diesel. UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven trucks." > > BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now. > > Wilton > '87 300D (126 kmi) > '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
UPS has always had both gas and diesel trucks. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:39 AM To: mercedes list Subject: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas? #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the usual Diesel. UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven trucks." BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now. Wilton '87 300D (126 kmi) '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
