Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Peter Frederick]

Grimes Golden is the perfect apple here -- a friend of mine in grade  
school had one in their yard that was more or less completely unpruned  
and produced huge amounts of very large, wonderful apples every year  
with no "user intervention" other than picking them.


Pretty much gone now, they bloom and ripen over an extended period and  
hence the orchards don't grow them.  Too expensive.


The current apple called "Red Delicious" was selected strictly for  
it's bearing behavior.  It has never, to the best of my knowledge,  
been a decent apple, wherever it's grown.  It's mealy, bitter, and  
unpleasant here, with a thick bitter skin.  Picked early, before it  
gets mealy (and without growth hormones to change it's shape) it's  
sour with a thick, bitter skin. An orchardman's apple through and  
through, not a consumer's apple.  Whether or not this is the original  
I have no information on, but I've never eaten a good one.


I suspect Yellow Delicious is the same, an orchardman's apple.  Easier  
to grow and harvest than other more appealing ones.


And I agree about Washington State apples grown on the dry side of the  
mountains -- even the Granny Smiths are pointy and pithy, nothing at  
all like the ones from NZ.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Dieselhead]

Varieties do make a difference, though.  Delicious apples are 
anything but, being the mealiest flat, dullest flavored, bitterest 
skinned apples in existence.  Their popularity is due entirely and 
completely to their blooming and ripening habits -- bloom takes 
place over about three days, the entire planting, and hence every 
apple on the tree is ripe at the same time and the orchard can be 
stripped in a single operation.  When sprayed with Alar to make them 
even pointer on the bottom (apples don't have points, by the way, 
unless sprayed with growth regulators), they are about as close to 
inedible as an apple can get.


Sadly, Washington State growers seem to think all apples should have 
extreme points on the bottom, and irrigate on top of the Alar spray, 
so they are uniformly very much second rate.  I greatly prefer New 
Zealand or Australian apples, so it's not the distance, it's the 
growing in that case.  Local apples are much better, but most of the 
orchards have vanished over the last 50 years.


Peter


DIsagreement:  Delicious apple.  As grown in WA, you are absolutely 
right.  However don't blame the variety.  It is the cultivars 
selected to grow in WA.  The WA crap has little or know resemblance 
to the real, original Stark's Nursery Delicious of 1870s/1880s.   The 
original apple was called Hawkeye.  It was yellow with red stripes; 
wider than tall, and tastes good when grown on its native soil. 
They do go mealy pretty quick.  (about November)


Agreement:  the last paragraph.  The first NZ Red Delicious I tasted 
25 years ago were the original Stark's Delicious, or very near to it. 
They were very good and tasty.  NZ soil where these were grown must 
be very near to the original Hawkeye soil.  Hawkeye grown in the 
midwest is a good tasting apple and has no resemblance the WA plastic 
apples.


Same with Golden Del.  The original Stark's GD is very tasty in 
October, when tree ripened in the midwest.  Quite possibly the best 
apple taste ever.  Cultivars selected for WA are slick skinned and 
tastless.  Stark's Golden Del. is an ugly apple by today's plastic 
apple standards.  It has large lenticels and is generally prone to 
russet.  Golden Delicious picked early get more tasteless the earlier 
they are picked.


Any good apple grown in WA is plastic and tasteless, and often dry. 
A real golden Del, tree ripened in the midwest if so juicy the juice 
runs down your arm.



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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Peter Frederick]

Fruit and vegetables are best when eaten immediately after picking  
them (or digging them) when fully mature.  Anything that softens when  
it is fully ripe (peaches, oranges, tomatoes, etc) MUST either be  
picked when still rock hard and ripened off the plant or bred to be  
rock hard even when nearly ripe in order for it to survive a few days  
or a week being shaken and banged around in shipping.


Doesn't matter where you are, local fully ripe fruit will be so much  
better than shipped in fruit you would hardly believe they are the  
same thing.  The further away the fruit started out, the bigger the  
difference.


And some things simply do not ship and are unavailable except dead  
ripe on the plant, raspberries and black berries being the most  
obvious examples.


I encourage everyone to grow their own herbs and things like tomatoes,  
even if you have to grow them in a pot on a balcony, they will be  
better than anything other than very fresh farm market versions.


Varieties do make a difference, though.  Delicious apples are anything  
but, being the mealiest flat, dullest flavored, bitterest skinned  
apples in existence.  Their popularity is due entirely and completely  
to their blooming and ripening habits -- bloom takes place over about  
three days, the entire planting, and hence every apple on the tree is  
ripe at the same time and the orchard can be stripped in a single  
operation.  When sprayed with Alar to make them even pointer on the  
bottom (apples don't have points, by the way, unless sprayed with  
growth regulators), they are about as close to inedible as an apple  
can get.


Sadly, Washington State growers seem to think all apples should have  
extreme points on the bottom, and irrigate on top of the Alar spray,  
so they are uniformly very much second rate.  I greatly prefer New  
Zealand or Australian apples, so it's not the distance, it's the  
growing in that case.  Local apples are much better, but most of the  
orchards have vanished over the last 50 years.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Gary Hurst]

i've never even seen a WA peach, but the GA/eastern peach is magnificent.
when i lived there, i'd be driving out to the orchard every week and eating
nearly nothing but peaches.


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:05 PM, clay  wrote:

> Do not mistake the wet side of WA for the dry side.  Not a bunch of wet
> going on east of the Cascade Range.  Good heat, low moisture and they have
> to irrigate to get crops.  Wonderful grape region now that competes and
> surpasses the dreck coming out of kalifornia.
>
> I much prefer the Washington peach to the Georgia peach.  For some reason
> the stuff out east just does not have the same brix or mouth feel that a
> local peach has.  Same with apples, pears or other fruit, fresh picked and
> purchased by the bushel.  Might be the need to transport fruit beyond the
> growing region results in plastic, tasteless products.
>
> clay
>
> On Aug 6, 2013, at 5:19 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>
> > Lots of rain makes for large fruit with less flavor.
> >
> > Mike
> > On Aug 5, 2013 1:33 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Aug 4, 2013 8:33 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> 
> > nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst
> >
>  fruit i
> >>>
>  know of, at least
> >
> 
> 
>  WA apples are even worse than CA strawberries, or anything else.
> 
> 
> 
> >>> Bzzt, wrong.  It depends if they're ripe and fresh,  like anything
> else.
> >>> But I'm glad you think so... there'll be more for me.
> >>>
> >>> Alex
> >>>
> >>
> >> Nope.  Being in the PNW, you've not had real apples.   WA apples are
> bland
> >> and flavorless.  Purty, but no flavor.
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[clay]

Do not mistake the wet side of WA for the dry side.  Not a bunch of wet going 
on east of the Cascade Range.  Good heat, low moisture and they have to 
irrigate to get crops.  Wonderful grape region now that competes and surpasses 
the dreck coming out of kalifornia.

I much prefer the Washington peach to the Georgia peach.  For some reason the 
stuff out east just does not have the same brix or mouth feel that a local 
peach has.  Same with apples, pears or other fruit, fresh picked and purchased 
by the bushel.  Might be the need to transport fruit beyond the growing region 
results in plastic, tasteless products.

clay

On Aug 6, 2013, at 5:19 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> Lots of rain makes for large fruit with less flavor.
> 
> Mike
> On Aug 5, 2013 1:33 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2013 8:33 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 
> nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst
> 
 fruit i
>>> 
 know of, at least
> 
 
 
 WA apples are even worse than CA strawberries, or anything else.
 
 
 
>>> Bzzt, wrong.  It depends if they're ripe and fresh,  like anything else.
>>> But I'm glad you think so... there'll be more for me.
>>> 
>>> Alex
>>> 
>> 
>> Nope.  Being in the PNW, you've not had real apples.   WA apples are bland
>> and flavorless.  Purty, but no flavor.
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Michael Canfield]

You hit it Gary.  Buying fresh, local produce is the best.  But our tastes
have been spoiled by cheap shipping from all over the world so sometimes
local grown isn't as tasty, or big, or colorful, or whatever as you see at
the market.

Mike
On Aug 5, 2013 12:54 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:

> and that is the key.  north carolina has apple country that extends into
> upstate SC. abby and i once visited the apple orchards there during harvest
> time.  the apples were amazing and NC doesnt' really have a rep for
> producing the world's finest apples.
>
> broward county, florida no longer has any commercial food agriculture, but
> there are mango trees everywhere.  these mangoes are also fabulous
>
> it might be that the key is to buy local/regional stuff picked ripe in
> season.  the issue might all be about distribution
>
> then again, some of the very best apples i've ever eaten come from zealand,
> which is about as far away from me as anywhere on earth
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Alex Chamberlain
> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 4, 2013 8:33 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst
> > fruit i
> > >> know of, at least
> > >
> > >
> > > WA apples are even worse than CA strawberries, or anything else.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Bzzt, wrong.  It depends if they're ripe and fresh,  like anything else.
> > But I'm glad you think so... there'll be more for me.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Michael Canfield]

Lots of rain makes for large fruit with less flavor.

Mike
On Aug 5, 2013 1:33 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 4, 2013 8:33 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
  nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst

>>> fruit i
>>
>>>  know of, at least

>>>
>>>
>>>  WA apples are even worse than CA strawberries, or anything else.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Bzzt, wrong.  It depends if they're ripe and fresh,  like anything else.
>> But I'm glad you think so... there'll be more for me.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>
> Nope.  Being in the PNW, you've not had real apples.   WA apples are bland
> and flavorless.  Purty, but no flavor.
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Dieselhead]

On Aug 4, 2013 8:33 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst

fruit i

 know of, at least



 WA apples are even worse than CA strawberries, or anything else.




Bzzt, wrong.  It depends if they're ripe and fresh,  like anything else.
But I'm glad you think so... there'll be more for me.

Alex


Nope.  Being in the PNW, you've not had real apples.   WA apples are 
bland and flavorless.  Purty, but no flavor.


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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Gary Hurst]

and that is the key.  north carolina has apple country that extends into
upstate SC. abby and i once visited the apple orchards there during harvest
time.  the apples were amazing and NC doesnt' really have a rep for
producing the world's finest apples.

broward county, florida no longer has any commercial food agriculture, but
there are mango trees everywhere.  these mangoes are also fabulous

it might be that the key is to buy local/regional stuff picked ripe in
season.  the issue might all be about distribution

then again, some of the very best apples i've ever eaten come from zealand,
which is about as far away from me as anywhere on earth


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Aug 4, 2013 8:33 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst
> fruit i
> >> know of, at least
> >
> >
> > WA apples are even worse than CA strawberries, or anything else.
> >
> >
>
> Bzzt, wrong.  It depends if they're ripe and fresh,  like anything else.
> But I'm glad you think so... there'll be more for me.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Aug 4, 2013 8:33 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst
fruit i
>> know of, at least
>
>
> WA apples are even worse than CA strawberries, or anything else.
>
>

Bzzt, wrong.  It depends if they're ripe and fresh,  like anything else.
But I'm glad you think so... there'll be more for me.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Dieselhead]

nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst fruit i
know of, at least


WA apples are even worse than CA strawberries, or anything else.

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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Mountain Man]

--R wrote:
> A bit of sourdough and peanut
> butter and yer good ta go.

Absolutely.  I used to eat that for brekkie 35 years ago.  Toasted
Oroweat sourdough and pb, then off on my bike ride to the 2-man
office.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Rich Thomas]

I had a roommate from NZ who shared a vegemite on bread brekkie with me 
one morning.  I about horked, but he loved the stuff.  He also wore 
shorts and sandals (with socks when it got below 0F) all winter long in 
Boston, so go figure.  He is now a professor of artificial intelligence 
and such at the U in Christchurch.


I have been having for brekkie smoothies made with fresh fruit and a bit 
of almond milk and local honey.  This morning banana, peach, blueberry, 
strawberry, kiwi.  They are amazingly yummy.  A bit of sourdough and 
peanut butter and yer good ta go.


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On 8/4/13 10:21 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

blood oranges, georgia peaches, maybe a couple of bananas and some good
green tea.  this would be considered fine dining for me although i somehow
don't see most readers getting how this can be so





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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> i consider that a possible explanation.  i know that eastern peaches i can
> buy here are magnificent but california peaches are literally inedible.
> but it is entirely possible that a california peach picked in season in
> california is really quite good.

Out here on the West Coast we can't get any good East Coast produce.
No such thing as a fresh Florida orange, for instance; and when I was
in upstate New York one fall I was astonished at all the varieties of
apples available at farm stands that I'd never seen in Oregon or
California.

Produce from the Central Valley area of California, however,
especially fruit, is wonderful when in season and fresh.  Curt's right
that what makes all the difference is whether it's picked fresh or
picked unripe and thrown on a train car or into a semi for a weeklong
trip across the country.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Gary Hurst]

blood oranges, georgia peaches, maybe a couple of bananas and some good
green tea.  this would be considered fine dining for me although i somehow
don't see most readers getting how this can be so

a friend of mine lived on a tropical island in central america.  his income
stream consists of royalty checks from his late father, a famous musician
and composer.  when the checks come in, he lives lavishly, but sometimes
the checks don't come in time to keep him from getting broke.  he'd then
borrow money from me to go shopping for food so he can buy cheese doodles
or whatever.  think about living on a tropical island with an abundance of
coconuts, fish, and bananas and having nothing to eat as you have no money
for crap processed food.


On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> Blood oranges ROCK!
>
> Mike
> On Aug 3, 2013 4:44 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> > the best oranges i've ever eaten were blood oranges bought at a grove in
> > central florida
> >
> > i at a diner in bradenton last year at a diner and the bus boy was
> carrying
> > a glass of orange juice.  i told him that i bet that orange juice came
> from
> > a can, probabl purchased at walmart, and the juice came from brasil, even
> > though there are nothing but orange groves for miles around him.  he just
> > laughed and told me that this was true but the irony of it never struck
> him
> > till that moment
> >
> > i once went to see the mixon groves in bradenton.  had a cup of fresh
> > squeezed.  commented that it tasted like tropicana.  young richard mixon
> (i
> > told him that he was not a crook.  somehow it's funny to me but i imagine
> > it's less funny when you've heard it from 10,000 other tourist)( just
> > laughed and asked me what i expected it to taste like given that
> tropicana
> > orange juice is bradenton oranges
> >
> > of course, today your tropicana orange juice is no longer all bradenton
> > oranges as housing is worth more than groves, so they just buy their
> > oranges from brasil like everybody else.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Peter Frederick  > >wrote:
> >
> > > By law Florida citrus must be picked green, passed in the early 1900's
> > > when it took a week to get to New York.
> > >
> > > Stupid law, there is nothing as good as properly ripened Florida
> oranges.
> > >  Almost impossible to find now, though, as the best growing area is now
> > > houses.
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Michael Canfield]

Blood oranges ROCK!

Mike
On Aug 3, 2013 4:44 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:

> the best oranges i've ever eaten were blood oranges bought at a grove in
> central florida
>
> i at a diner in bradenton last year at a diner and the bus boy was carrying
> a glass of orange juice.  i told him that i bet that orange juice came from
> a can, probabl purchased at walmart, and the juice came from brasil, even
> though there are nothing but orange groves for miles around him.  he just
> laughed and told me that this was true but the irony of it never struck him
> till that moment
>
> i once went to see the mixon groves in bradenton.  had a cup of fresh
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> orange juice is bradenton oranges
>
> of course, today your tropicana orange juice is no longer all bradenton
> oranges as housing is worth more than groves, so they just buy their
> oranges from brasil like everybody else.
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> On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Peter Frederick  >wrote:
>
> > By law Florida citrus must be picked green, passed in the early 1900's
> > when it took a week to get to New York.
> >
> > Stupid law, there is nothing as good as properly ripened Florida oranges.
> >  Almost impossible to find now, though, as the best growing area is now
> > houses.
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Gary Hurst]

the best oranges i've ever eaten were blood oranges bought at a grove in
central florida

i at a diner in bradenton last year at a diner and the bus boy was carrying
a glass of orange juice.  i told him that i bet that orange juice came from
a can, probabl purchased at walmart, and the juice came from brasil, even
though there are nothing but orange groves for miles around him.  he just
laughed and told me that this was true but the irony of it never struck him
till that moment

i once went to see the mixon groves in bradenton.  had a cup of fresh
squeezed.  commented that it tasted like tropicana.  young richard mixon (i
told him that he was not a crook.  somehow it's funny to me but i imagine
it's less funny when you've heard it from 10,000 other tourist)( just
laughed and asked me what i expected it to taste like given that tropicana
orange juice is bradenton oranges

of course, today your tropicana orange juice is no longer all bradenton
oranges as housing is worth more than groves, so they just buy their
oranges from brasil like everybody else.


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> By law Florida citrus must be picked green, passed in the early 1900's
> when it took a week to get to New York.
>
> Stupid law, there is nothing as good as properly ripened Florida oranges.
>  Almost impossible to find now, though, as the best growing area is now
> houses.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Gary Hurst]

i consider that a possible explanation.  i know that eastern peaches i can
buy here are magnificent but california peaches are literally inedible.
but it is entirely possible that a california peach picked in season in
california is really quite good.

you cannot get good produce from the supermarket, even if it is
local/regional.  the answer is to go buy from privateers who drive their
trucks out to the wholesale houses in immokalee or homestead and then go
sell it in some parking lot.

i wish i'd have the opportunity to buy peaches from the grove in california
to see if it is just california fruit that is bad or it is the process of
bringing it to me that is bad.  but i don't.  so i avoid all california
produce.


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> You can't judge California by the produce you get at your local market.
> That stuff has been picked before its ripe and force ripened later.
> California oranges for instance are WAY WAY more flavorful than the balls
> of water you get from Florida. They don't get the water the Florida
> varieties get so they are much more intense.
>
> There is nothing quite as good as a fresh squeezed glass of California
> orange juice when the oranges were picked yesterday...
>
> Florida oranges are okay if they're tree ripened, to get that you have to
> be in Florida though.
>
>
> -Curt
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> nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst fruit i
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Peter Frederick]

By law Florida citrus must be picked green, passed in the early 1900's  
when it took a week to get to New York.


Stupid law, there is nothing as good as properly ripened Florida  
oranges.  Almost impossible to find now, though, as the best growing  
area is now houses.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Curt Raymond]

You can't judge California by the produce you get at your local market. That 
stuff has been picked before its ripe and force ripened later. California 
oranges for instance are WAY WAY more flavorful than the balls of water you get 
from Florida. They don't get the water the Florida varieties get so they are 
much more intense.

There is nothing quite as good as a fresh squeezed glass of California orange 
juice when the oranges were picked yesterday...

Florida oranges are okay if they're tree ripened, to get that you have to be in 
Florida though.


-Curt


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nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst fruit i
know of, at least
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Gary Hurst]

nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore.  worst fruit i
know of, at least


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Gerry Archer wrote:

>
>
>  I don't touch the stuff but use it to grease the machines.
>> I have heard this is revenge because you bombed the great barrier reef.
>> Hendrik
>> who will immediately go to the factory and do some bottom kicking
>>
>>  I just restocked and the new jar isn't the same stuff as the old
>>> jar.  The ingredient list is longer and has a lot of long words in
>>> it.  At least someone recognizes the significance of the dastardly
>>> deed 'cause no longer does the label proclaim "Proudly made in
>>> Australia since 1923".  Instead, it just states "Product of
>>> Australia".
>>>
>>> Since you are practically the only person I know in Australia, I
>>> hold you _personally_ responsible for this atrocity.  You must have
>>> been out digging ditches or waxing your Mercedes when they slipped
>>> this one through.
>>>
>>> --Philip, who is still eating Vegemite, just not enjoying it
>>>quite as much.
>>>
>>>  There is probably a conspiracy to keep Aussie vegemite out of the US.
> While one of my grandsons was doing a college semester in Australia, he
> sent me a packet of vegemite.
> While enroute, someone obviously stomped on it since all the vegemite was
> squished out of the packet.  I did get a taste of it, and it tasted pretty
> good, but the vegemite in the US supermarkets is not the same as Phillip
> declared.
>
> On a similar subject, I wish the U.S. gov't would hurry up and make peace
> with Iran so we can once again buy the best pistachios in the world.
> Pistachios grown in California simply have no taste.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Mountain Man]

Gerry wrote:
> On a similar subject, I wish the U.S. gov't would hurry up and make peace
> with Iran so we can once again buy the best pistachios in the world.
> Pistachios grown in California simply have no taste.

Good information - thanks.
Let us know when you see them on the market again.
Perhaps someone has a friend that is Iraqi?  See if he can have his
relative send a care package for okiebenz distribution.  Anyone?
... good pistachio sounds wonderful just about now...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Gerry Archer]

I don't touch the stuff but use it to grease the machines.
I have heard this is revenge because you bombed the great barrier reef.
Hendrik
who will immediately go to the factory and do some bottom kicking


I just restocked and the new jar isn't the same stuff as the old
jar.  The ingredient list is longer and has a lot of long words in
it.  At least someone recognizes the significance of the dastardly
deed 'cause no longer does the label proclaim "Proudly made in
Australia since 1923".  Instead, it just states "Product of
Australia".

Since you are practically the only person I know in Australia, I
hold you _personally_ responsible for this atrocity.  You must have
been out digging ditches or waxing your Mercedes when they slipped
this one through.

--Philip, who is still eating Vegemite, just not enjoying it
   quite as much.


There is probably a conspiracy to keep Aussie vegemite out of the US.
While one of my grandsons was doing a college semester in Australia, he sent 
me a packet of vegemite.
While enroute, someone obviously stomped on it since all the vegemite was 
squished out of the packet.  I did get a taste of it, and it tasted pretty 
good, but the vegemite in the US supermarkets is not the same as Phillip 
declared.


On a similar subject, I wish the U.S. gov't would hurry up and make peace 
with Iran so we can once again buy the best pistachios in the world. 
Pistachios grown in California simply have no taste.
Gerry 



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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Hendrik and Fay]

I don't touch the stuff but use it to grease the machines.
I have heard this is revenge because you bombed the great barrier reef.

Hendrik
who will immediately go to the factory and do some bottom kicking

On 02/08/13 03:14, Fmiser wrote:

Hendrik - what have you done to "my" Vegemite???

I just restocked and the new jar isn't the same stuff as the old
jar.  The ingredient list is longer and has a lot of long words in
it.  At least someone recognizes the significance of the dastardly
deed 'cause no longer does the label proclaim "Proudly made in
Australia since 1923".  Instead, it just states "Product of
Australia".

Since you are practically the only person I know in Australia, I
hold you _personally_ responsible for this atrocity.  You must have
been out digging ditches or waxing your Mercedes when they slipped
this one through.

--Philip, who is still eating Vegemite, just not enjoying it
   quite as much.





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Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?

[Andrew Strasfogel]

This is ghastly stuff so an ingredient update can only help..
On Aug 1, 2013 1:44 PM, "Fmiser"  wrote:

> Hendrik - what have you done to "my" Vegemite???
>
> I just restocked and the new jar isn't the same stuff as the old
> jar.  The ingredient list is longer and has a lot of long words in
> it.  At least someone recognizes the significance of the dastardly
> deed 'cause no longer does the label proclaim "Proudly made in
> Australia since 1923".  Instead, it just states "Product of
> Australia".
>
> Since you are practically the only person I know in Australia, I
> hold you _personally_ responsible for this atrocity.  You must have
> been out digging ditches or waxing your Mercedes when they slipped
> this one through.
>
> --Philip, who is still eating Vegemite, just not enjoying it
>   quite as much.
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