Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[Ed Booher]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Redghost  wrote:

> What does one look like?  Tuesday is surplus store day, but the local PC
> recycle shops are no doubt filled to the gills with them
>
> clay


http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/categories.main/parentcat/9244

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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[Redghost]

What does one look like?  Tuesday is surplus store day, but the local  
PC recycle shops are no doubt filled to the gills with them


clay

On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Ed Booher wrote:


On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:39 PM, tyler  wrote:

Old Model Ms have a removable cable. I'm pretty sure all one needs  
to do to
switch from AT to PS/2 is to plug in the cable with a PS/2  
connector on one

end.

I believe I am typing this e-mail right now on one that was  
originally an
AT keyboard when I found it in a trash can, and has since been  
"upgraded" to

PS/2.

Tyler



This is correct, and in fact, if one were industrious enough they  
could wire
the adapter in line via the cable itself and not need a PS/2 to USB  
dongle,

though the cable might come out looking a little chewed up.

If I could get ahold of a true Model M (or two) I would hook it up.  
I used
to have the ThinkPad M13, that was all black and had a mouse stick  
in the
center. They came with the original ThinkPad docking stations. Just  
as well
built as the M, and absolutely no need for a mouse. Unfortunately  
mine was
destroyed in a move (even an M can succumb to several hundred pounds  
dropped
on top of it in the bottom of a box) and they are rare  the last  
one I

found was close to $200.

A company called Unicomp has bought the old M molds and offers "new"  
M's
that aren't quite the same quality as the originals, but I've heard  
are

pretty close. But that's probably like saying a Chinese built Mercedes
(built under control with Mercedes tool and die) is the same as a  
German

built Mercedes. There M13's are $99.

*sighs* I miss that keyboard  hey, on a related note. Clay, oh  
Master of

College Auctions, you haven't seen any M13's around Seattle have you?

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[Ed Booher]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Ed Booher  wrote:

> If I could get ahold of a true Model M (or two) I would hook it up. I used
> to have the ThinkPad M13, that was all black and had a mouse stick in the
> center. They came with the original ThinkPad docking stations. Just as well
> built as the M, and absolutely no need for a mouse. Unfortunately mine was
> destroyed in a move (even an M can succumb to several hundred pounds dropped
> on top of it in the bottom of a box) and they are rare  the last one I
> found was close to $200.
>

Ah look! Here's one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Model-M-13-Trackpoint-II-Clicky-Keyboard-NIB_W0QQitemZ270429336226QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item3ef6d832a2&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1240|293%3A1|294%3A50

Current Bid - $187.50 *sigh*

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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[Ed Booher]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:39 PM, tyler  wrote:

> Old Model Ms have a removable cable. I'm pretty sure all one needs to do to
> switch from AT to PS/2 is to plug in the cable with a PS/2 connector on one
> end.
>
> I believe I am typing this e-mail right now on one that was originally an
> AT keyboard when I found it in a trash can, and has since been "upgraded" to
> PS/2.
>
> Tyler
>

This is correct, and in fact, if one were industrious enough they could wire
the adapter in line via the cable itself and not need a PS/2 to USB dongle,
though the cable might come out looking a little chewed up.

If I could get ahold of a true Model M (or two) I would hook it up. I used
to have the ThinkPad M13, that was all black and had a mouse stick in the
center. They came with the original ThinkPad docking stations. Just as well
built as the M, and absolutely no need for a mouse. Unfortunately mine was
destroyed in a move (even an M can succumb to several hundred pounds dropped
on top of it in the bottom of a box) and they are rare  the last one I
found was close to $200.

A company called Unicomp has bought the old M molds and offers "new" M's
that aren't quite the same quality as the originals, but I've heard are
pretty close. But that's probably like saying a Chinese built Mercedes
(built under control with Mercedes tool and die) is the same as a German
built Mercedes. There M13's are $99.

*sighs* I miss that keyboard  hey, on a related note. Clay, oh Master of
College Auctions, you haven't seen any M13's around Seattle have you?

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[WILTON]

I hate where Caps Lock is on my keyboard; I keep hitting it accidentally - 
often; then have to backup to correct all the caps, etc.


Wilton

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On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

tyler wrote:


I use the old (mid 80s) keyboards as the quality gradually went down 
over

time. They don't have a windows/apple key, but I simply remap the "caps
lock" for that purpose, as I've never found any use for that key, except 
for

accidentally bumping it.


I've got a couple of originals, circa 1982 with the ten function keys up 
the

side. Very heavy, and very good keyswitches. There were adapters to plug
them into AT motherboards at one time. I wonder if you could stack the PC 
to

AT adapter and the AT to PS/2 adapter to hook one up to a modern
motherboard?



You can indeed---I have done it.  If you like having Control where the
Caps Lock is on modern keyboards (next to A), that's a great way to
go.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[tyler]

Old Model Ms have a removable cable. I'm pretty sure all one needs to do 
to switch from AT to PS/2 is to plug in the cable with a PS/2 connector 
on one end.


I believe I am typing this e-mail right now on one that was originally 
an AT keyboard when I found it in a trash can, and has since been 
"upgraded" to PS/2.


Tyler

Mitch Haley wrote:

tyler wrote:
I use the old (mid 80s) keyboards as the quality gradually went down 
over time. They don't have a windows/apple key, but I simply remap 
the "caps lock" for that purpose, as I've never found any use for 
that key, except for accidentally bumping it.


I've got a couple of originals, circa 1982 with the ten function keys 
up the side. Very heavy, and very good keyswitches. There were 
adapters to plug them into AT motherboards at one time. I wonder if 
you could stack the PC to AT adapter and the AT to PS/2 adapter to 
hook one up to a modern motherboard?


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> tyler wrote:
>>
>> I use the old (mid 80s) keyboards as the quality gradually went down over
>> time. They don't have a windows/apple key, but I simply remap the "caps
>> lock" for that purpose, as I've never found any use for that key, except for
>> accidentally bumping it.
>
> I've got a couple of originals, circa 1982 with the ten function keys up the
> side. Very heavy, and very good keyswitches. There were adapters to plug
> them into AT motherboards at one time. I wonder if you could stack the PC to
> AT adapter and the AT to PS/2 adapter to hook one up to a modern
> motherboard?
>

You can indeed---I have done it.  If you like having Control where the
Caps Lock is on modern keyboards (next to A), that's a great way to
go.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[Mitch Haley]

tyler wrote:
I use the old (mid 80s) keyboards as the quality gradually went down 
over time. They don't have a windows/apple key, but I simply remap the 
"caps lock" for that purpose, as I've never found any use for that key, 
except for accidentally bumping it.


I've got a couple of originals, circa 1982 with the ten function keys up the 
side. Very heavy, and very good keyswitches. There were adapters to plug them 
into AT motherboards at one time. I wonder if you could stack the PC to AT 
adapter and the AT to PS/2 adapter to hook one up to a modern motherboard?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[tyler]

I use the old (mid 80s) keyboards as the quality gradually went down 
over time. They don't have a windows/apple key, but I simply remap the 
"caps lock" for that purpose, as I've never found any use for that key, 
except for accidentally bumping it.


Tyler

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

OK, I get it. You are not talking about the original IBM clicky Model
M but the later versions with the "Windows" key between Ctrl and Alt.
Not the same thing, but still decent.

So Windows maps to Command.  Anyone running XP on a Mac out there who
knows whether there is a way to change the mappings so the keys are in
the right order regardless of operating system--- i.e. Command maps to
Alt and Option to Windows when running XP?  Having used Macs for 20+
years and Windows since 3.1, whenever that was, I am really used to
Alt on Windows boxes and Command on Macs being next to the space bar,
and this question is one of the things that makes me hesitant to
switching to a one-box solution with an Intel Mac.

Alex


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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> you can always pick em up at the thrift store for a dollar or two.  they
> still come with lonovo machines, but the new ones just dont' seem to click
> as crisp.
>

OK, I get it. You are not talking about the original IBM clicky Model
M but the later versions with the "Windows" key between Ctrl and Alt.
Not the same thing, but still decent.

So Windows maps to Command.  Anyone running XP on a Mac out there who
knows whether there is a way to change the mappings so the keys are in
the right order regardless of operating system--- i.e. Command maps to
Alt and Option to Windows when running XP?  Having used Macs for 20+
years and Windows since 3.1, whenever that was, I am really used to
Alt on Windows boxes and Command on Macs being next to the space bar,
and this question is one of the things that makes me hesitant to
switching to a one-box solution with an Intel Mac.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[Gary Hurst]

you can always pick em up at the thrift store for a dollar or two.  they
still come with lonovo machines, but the new ones just dont' seem to click
as crisp.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:42 PM, tyler  wrote:

> Good to hear somebody else has good taste in keyboards! I love these things
> and have 3 of them- and use them with USB adapters on my newer macs also.
>
> I can type almost twice as fast, and without ever any wrist pain with these
> keyboards. I program professionally and I couldn't physically type all day
> long on these cheap newer membrane keyboards that feel like I'm typing on
> raisins floating in a bowl of oatmeal. Plus they never wear out, and have
> enough weight stay put on the desk.
>
> Tyler
> '87 190D Turbo
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> keyboard is
>> old IBM click click PS/2 model and mouse is some cheap generic usb optical
>>
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[tyler]

Good to hear somebody else has good taste in keyboards! I love these 
things and have 3 of them- and use them with USB adapters on my newer 
macs also.


I can type almost twice as fast, and without ever any wrist pain with 
these keyboards. I program professionally and I couldn't physically type 
all day long on these cheap newer membrane keyboards that feel like I'm 
typing on raisins floating in a bowl of oatmeal. Plus they never wear 
out, and have enough weight stay put on the desk.


Tyler
'87 190D Turbo

Gary Hurst wrote:

keyboard is
old IBM click click PS/2 model and mouse is some cheap generic usb optical


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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[Gary Hurst]

the key between alt and control is the one that works for the mac stuff.  i
dont know the names of them.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> > .  keyboard is
> > old IBM click click PS/2 model and mouse is some cheap generic usb
> optical
> >
>
> Ah, the second best keyboard ever made after the original Apple
> Extended aka Saratoga.  I take it that it works fine with the Mini
> through a PS/2-to-USB adaptor?  But how do the Control and Alt keys
> map to Control, Option, and Command on the Mac?
>
> Alex
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[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> .  keyboard is
> old IBM click click PS/2 model and mouse is some cheap generic usb optical
>

Ah, the second best keyboard ever made after the original Apple
Extended aka Saratoga.  I take it that it works fine with the Mini
through a PS/2-to-USB adaptor?  But how do the Control and Alt keys
map to Control, Option, and Command on the Mac?

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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[Gary Hurst]

i might have to wait for the price to come down a bit

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:26 PM, LWB250  wrote:

>
> The heck with the 32G thumb drive - you need one of these:
>
> http://cultofmac.com/kingstons-256gb-usb-thumb-drive/13288
>
> Just came out this week
>
> MacDan
>
> --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > From: Gary Hurst 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 6:22 PM
> > apple says expandable to 2gb.
> > there are 2 slots.  their recommendation is
> > to replace the 2 512mb sticks with 2 1gb sticks.
> > however, there are 2gb
> > sticks in that size in existence today.  my guess
> > would be that there were
> > only 1gb sticks at the time the machine was first designed
> > or marketed so
> > apple only tested the machine with those.  i am sure
> > some of our mac guys
> > here know the answer though.
> >
> > the chipset can address up to 4gb, but that is total and
> > not just ram.  in
> > reality, people are saying that it will be able to use 3.1
> > to 3.3gb of ram.
> > 2gb sticks are MUCH more expensive than 1 gb stick.
> >
> > in the end i compromised and got 1 2gb and 1 1gb stick from
> > some local
> > indian guys who drop ships the stuff.  i guess i just
> > have a soft spot for
> > local guys who drop ship stuff for some reason.  i can
> > also generally beat
> > them out of cheap or free installation, but these guys
> > didn't bite on that,
> > encouraging me to check on youtube if i need help.  oh
> > well!
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320337743477
> >
> > this is my second mac mini.  my first was an original
> > g4 1.25 ghz.  it cost
> > $120 to upgrade that to 1gb ram, so i guess this is a hell
> > of a bargain.
> >
> > i figure i'll keep 2GB for the OS X main system and then
> > give the virtual
> > box 1gb for linux and xp.  i thought about dumping the
> > 80gb HD while i was
> > in there, but i'm only using that for programs as all my
> > data is being kept
> > on the external WD passport drives and i just keep stuff
> > for projects on one
> > of the many pendrives that are mounted.  32gb pen
> > drives are now under 60
> > bucks retail and even cheaper if you have the time to get
> > them straight from
> > hong kong on ebay.  you can get the same stuff you pay
> > big money for at
> > radio shack straight from hong kong with free shipping for
> > roughly 5 to 20%
> > of retail.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Mitch Haley 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0264433
> > >>
> > >> it got mine for $399 and they have been as low as
> > $349. i figure now that
> > >> i'm running linux and xp on virtual box on this
> > machine, i ought to
> > >> upgrade
> > >> it to 4gb of ram.
> > >>
> > >
> > > You got the one in the link?
> > > How come it says "expandable to 2GB".
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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[LWB250]

The heck with the 32G thumb drive - you need one of these:

http://cultofmac.com/kingstons-256gb-usb-thumb-drive/13288

Just came out this week

MacDan

--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> From: Gary Hurst 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 6:22 PM
> apple says expandable to 2gb. 
> there are 2 slots.  their recommendation is
> to replace the 2 512mb sticks with 2 1gb sticks. 
> however, there are 2gb
> sticks in that size in existence today.  my guess
> would be that there were
> only 1gb sticks at the time the machine was first designed
> or marketed so
> apple only tested the machine with those.  i am sure
> some of our mac guys
> here know the answer though.
> 
> the chipset can address up to 4gb, but that is total and
> not just ram.  in
> reality, people are saying that it will be able to use 3.1
> to 3.3gb of ram.
> 2gb sticks are MUCH more expensive than 1 gb stick.
> 
> in the end i compromised and got 1 2gb and 1 1gb stick from
> some local
> indian guys who drop ships the stuff.  i guess i just
> have a soft spot for
> local guys who drop ship stuff for some reason.  i can
> also generally beat
> them out of cheap or free installation, but these guys
> didn't bite on that,
> encouraging me to check on youtube if i need help.  oh
> well!
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320337743477
> 
> this is my second mac mini.  my first was an original
> g4 1.25 ghz.  it cost
> $120 to upgrade that to 1gb ram, so i guess this is a hell
> of a bargain.
> 
> i figure i'll keep 2GB for the OS X main system and then
> give the virtual
> box 1gb for linux and xp.  i thought about dumping the
> 80gb HD while i was
> in there, but i'm only using that for programs as all my
> data is being kept
> on the external WD passport drives and i just keep stuff
> for projects on one
> of the many pendrives that are mounted.  32gb pen
> drives are now under 60
> bucks retail and even cheaper if you have the time to get
> them straight from
> hong kong on ebay.  you can get the same stuff you pay
> big money for at
> radio shack straight from hong kong with free shipping for
> roughly 5 to 20%
> of retail.
> 
> 
> 
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> > Gary Hurst wrote:
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> >> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0264433
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> >> it got mine for $399 and they have been as low as
> $349. i figure now that
> >> i'm running linux and xp on virtual box on this
> machine, i ought to
> >> upgrade
> >> it to 4gb of ram.
> >>
> >
> > You got the one in the link?
> > How come it says "expandable to 2GB".
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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[Gary Hurst]

apple says expandable to 2gb.  there are 2 slots.  their recommendation is
to replace the 2 512mb sticks with 2 1gb sticks.  however, there are 2gb
sticks in that size in existence today.  my guess would be that there were
only 1gb sticks at the time the machine was first designed or marketed so
apple only tested the machine with those.  i am sure some of our mac guys
here know the answer though.

the chipset can address up to 4gb, but that is total and not just ram.  in
reality, people are saying that it will be able to use 3.1 to 3.3gb of ram.
2gb sticks are MUCH more expensive than 1 gb stick.

in the end i compromised and got 1 2gb and 1 1gb stick from some local
indian guys who drop ships the stuff.  i guess i just have a soft spot for
local guys who drop ship stuff for some reason.  i can also generally beat
them out of cheap or free installation, but these guys didn't bite on that,
encouraging me to check on youtube if i need help.  oh well!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320337743477

this is my second mac mini.  my first was an original g4 1.25 ghz.  it cost
$120 to upgrade that to 1gb ram, so i guess this is a hell of a bargain.

i figure i'll keep 2GB for the OS X main system and then give the virtual
box 1gb for linux and xp.  i thought about dumping the 80gb HD while i was
in there, but i'm only using that for programs as all my data is being kept
on the external WD passport drives and i just keep stuff for projects on one
of the many pendrives that are mounted.  32gb pen drives are now under 60
bucks retail and even cheaper if you have the time to get them straight from
hong kong on ebay.  you can get the same stuff you pay big money for at
radio shack straight from hong kong with free shipping for roughly 5 to 20%
of retail.





On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0264433
>>
>> it got mine for $399 and they have been as low as $349. i figure now that
>> i'm running linux and xp on virtual box on this machine, i ought to
>> upgrade
>> it to 4gb of ram.
>>
>
> You got the one in the link?
> How come it says "expandable to 2GB".
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Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499

[Mitch Haley]

Gary Hurst wrote:

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0264433

it got mine for $399 and they have been as low as $349. i figure now that
i'm running linux and xp on virtual box on this machine, i ought to upgrade
it to 4gb of ram. 


You got the one in the link?
How come it says "expandable to 2GB".

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