Re: [MBZ] occupying the 3rd row.
How can you give Phillip a hard time for mentioning that diesel is inherently safer than gas and then bring up some random van? Besides which if your contention originally is that rear facing seats are somehow dangerous by design how does someone dying in a van with FRONT facing seats help your cause? Have you ever considered running for office? -Curt ROTFL!It's woger. logic does not matter when he wants to try to flame me (or anyone else) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] occupying the 3rd row.
For that matter, a lot of people have died in vans, at least the stretched ones, due to their lack of stability at higher speeds. "According to the NHTSA, 15-passenger vans are difficult to control in emergencies, are more prone to rollover accidents because they have a higher center of gravity, and lack adequate crash protection for occupants. Between 1990 and 2002, crashes killed 1,111 people in 15-passenger vans, according to the agency's figures." Dan not a van Man On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > How can you give Phillip a hard time for mentioning that diesel is inherently > safer than gas and then bring up some random van? > > Besides which if your contention originally is that rear facing seats are > somehow dangerous by design how does someone dying in a van with FRONT facing > seats help your cause? > > Have you ever considered running for office? > > -Curt > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:34:29 -0400 (EDT) > From: relng...@aol.com > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] occupying the 3rd row. > Message-ID: <19228.3adbc991.3d630...@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] occupying the 3rd row.
How can you give Phillip a hard time for mentioning that diesel is inherently safer than gas and then bring up some random van? Besides which if your contention originally is that rear facing seats are somehow dangerous by design how does someone dying in a van with FRONT facing seats help your cause? Have you ever considered running for office? -Curt Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:34:29 -0400 (EDT) From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] occupying the 3rd row. Message-ID: <19228.3adbc991.3d630...@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > So then, what would happen to them in case of a rear end > collision is of no concern. Huh?? Of course what happens to them in a rear-end collision is of concern.? But why limit the discussion to only that one kind? What would happen to them in a T-bone accident?? I suspect they would be better off in the third seat. Or a head-on?? I'm sure they would be safer in the rear-facing seat. What about Rollover? Rear-quarter? Front quarter??Space shuttle pieces landing on top?? Underwater? So I guess I need to decide which type of collision I am going to encounter and then choose the appropriate vehicle. In a rear end collision in that vehicle the rear hatch is likely to be crushed forward into the very area occupied by those 3rd seat occupants and they would be trapped until the crushed metal was removed. > Or how they would escape in case of fire? See previous answe.r My suburban carries a large quantity of gasoline.? My wagon carries diesel.? Therefore the danger from fire is _less_ in the car with the rear-facing seats. Why bring up your truck? Was this a comparison with it? Not by me. So what fire are you referring to?? Where?? Caused by what? Burning what?? And why is the rear hatch not opening? Because the rear of the car will be crushed. And isn't the fuel tank aft of the axle under that seat? What is the scenario where you feel a rear-facing 3rd seat is a greater danger than a forward facing 3rd seat with regard to a fire? Previously answered. My argument is that the 3rd row's hazards outweigh any convenience and it wouldn't make any difference which way it faced. About ten years ago near here on I-405 one of those longbody Econoline passenger vans with four rows was caught in a sandwich crash between two semis and caught fire. Those in the rear were incinerated, alive. RLE RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] occupying the 3rd row.
That might explain how it happens. I have never heard any explanation. I see many more burned spots on the side of the road than I ever used to. A lot of the burnouts I have seen don't seem to be involved with an accident. Diesel is inherently safer. Spill a quarter cup of gasoline on the pavement and throw a lit match on it. Then do the same with Diesel. The match goes out in the Diesel. The gasoline goes WHOOMP! Dieselhead wrote: people are regularly burned to death or worse in modern gassers made by asian and american automakers using in tank electric fuel pumps. Back in the 1970s, a typical Bosch K-jetronic setup had a fuel pump relay that required a tachometer signal to run. If the engine died from a cut fuel line, the fuel pump would stop within 2 seconds. SAAB also had a rollover switch, if the car flipped upside down, the fuel pump went off and stayed off until you reset or replaced (I forget which) the rollover switch. I can't imagine any modern car not having those simple safety features, but I can imagine a damaged fuel line spraying gas under pressure while allowing the engine to continue to run. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] occupying the 3rd row.
Dieselhead wrote: people are regularly burned to death or worse in modern gassers made by asian and american automakers using in tank electric fuel pumps. Back in the 1970s, a typical Bosch K-jetronic setup had a fuel pump relay that required a tachometer signal to run. If the engine died from a cut fuel line, the fuel pump would stop within 2 seconds. SAAB also had a rollover switch, if the car flipped upside down, the fuel pump went off and stayed off until you reset or replaced (I forget which) the rollover switch. I can't imagine any modern car not having those simple safety features, but I can imagine a damaged fuel line spraying gas under pressure while allowing the engine to continue to run. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] occupying the 3rd row.
About ten years ago near here on I-405 one of those longbody Econoline passenger vans with four rows was caught in a sandwich crash between two semis and caught fire. Those in the rear were incinerated, alive. RLE RLE people are regularly burned to death or worse in modern gassers made by asian and american automakers using in tank electric fuel pumps. What does that or the prior reference to E-van have to do with passengers in an MB Diesel wagon? None I can see, other than they are people in vehicles. If you don't want the risk, stay in a cocoon. All of life is a series of calculated risks. 3rd seat in a MB wagon, especially Diesel, is safer than in any seat in a toada (and probably if you study the statistics, more people are killed in porches per passenger mile, than MB wagons) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] occupying the 3rd row.
> So then, what would happen to them in case of a rear end > collision is of no concern. Huh? Of course what happens to them in a rear-end collision is of concern. But why limit the discussion to only that one kind? What would happen to them in a T-bone accident? I suspect they would be better off in the third seat. Or a head-on? I'm sure they would be safer in the rear-facing seat. What about Rollover? Rear-quarter? Front quarter? Space shuttle pieces landing on top? Underwater? So I guess I need to decide which type of collision I am going to encounter and then choose the appropriate vehicle. In a rear end collision in that vehicle the rear hatch is likely to be crushed forward into the very area occupied by those 3rd seat occupants and they would be trapped until the crushed metal was removed. > Or how they would escape in case of fire? See previous answe.r My suburban carries a large quantity of gasoline. My wagon carries diesel. Therefore the danger from fire is _less_ in the car with the rear-facing seats. Why bring up your truck? Was this a comparison with it? Not by me. So what fire are you referring to? Where? Caused by what? Burning what? And why is the rear hatch not opening? Because the rear of the car will be crushed. And isn't the fuel tank aft of the axle under that seat? What is the scenario where you feel a rear-facing 3rd seat is a greater danger than a forward facing 3rd seat with regard to a fire? Previously answered. My argument is that the 3rd row's hazards outweigh any convenience and it wouldn't make any difference which way it faced. About ten years ago near here on I-405 one of those longbody Econoline passenger vans with four rows was caught in a sandwich crash between two semis and caught fire. Those in the rear were incinerated, alive. RLE RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
