Re: [MBZ] Tires for my 1980 300SD

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 09/06/2024 8:41 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:



JUst don't pay more for tires than your car is worth...

Not much chance of that!


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think that I about doubled its value.


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Re: [MBZ] Tires for my 1980 300SD

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 9 Jun 2024 11:11:58 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
 wrote:

> JUst don't pay more for tires than your car is worth...

Not much chance of that!


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Re: [MBZ] Tires for my 1980 300SD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

JUst don't pay more for tires than your car is worth...

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 11:37 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Jun 2024 03:01:57 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > I can second all of those choices. All the tires.
>
> Thanks, Rick.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for my 1980 300SD

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 9 Jun 2024 03:01:57 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
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> I can second all of those choices. All the tires.

Thanks, Rick.


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Re: [MBZ] Tires for my 1980 300SD

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I can second all of those choices. All the tires.

Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires for my 1980 300SD

General Alimax, Hankook, I have also had good luck with GT Radial

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> On Jun 8, 2024, at 3:37 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> So I had the car up on four jackstands to bleed the brakes and had the
> thought of looking for the date code on the tires. I had trouble finding
> the information because it doesn't look like the examples I saw on-line.
>
> I finally decided the information in the first attached picture has the
> date code at its end.
>
> And to think I have been driving all over the middle part of this
> country ...
>
> The tires look new, though, as the second and third pictures show.
>
> I will need to get new tires for my W116 300SD (including the spare,
> which is worse than the road tires).
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations / experiences?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Craig
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for my 1980 300SD

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I have them on my 300SD and no complaints other than they are useless in the 
snow.

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, at 21:34, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> The Altimax is a great tire and they have sizes to fix just about all 
> vintage of Mercedes.  
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 8, 2024, at 8:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:36:30 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Vredestein Sprint Classics in 185R14 are a great choice for a 300SD, and
>>> it’s the original size.
>>> 
>>> 195 70 14 works, but the choices are getting worse and worse.  Except
>>> you can now get Pirelli CN36s in that size.
>>> 
>>> I just put a set of Michelin MXV 185R14s on my 300SD… pricey but super
>>> cool.  I put them on a lot of customer cars so I wanted to experience
>>> them myself.
>> 
>> Thank you, Jaime.
>> 
>> The Vredestein Sprint Classic website is
>> https://www.vredestein.com/classic-tires/products/990-SPRINT-CLASSIC/
>> 
>>Classic look combined with contemporary performance
>> 
>>The Sprint Classic completes the image for classic cars and is
>>specially developed for enthusiasts with an eye for detail and
>>design
>> 
>> 
>> I found both the Vredesteins and Michelins on Tire Rack,
>> 
>> https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?tireIndex=0=Mercedes-Benz=1980=300SD==185%2F=0=14=34200=true=T=S=ALL
>> 
>> VREDESTEIN SPRINT CLASSIC Grand Touring Summer
>> $176.77 Per Tire In Stock Delivery by Thursday, 06/13 to 87035
>>  Size: 185HR14 90H
>> Style: Blackwall
>>Serv. Desc: 90H1323 lb, 130 MPH
>>  UTQG: 220 A B
>>Revs. Per Mile: 811
>>Free Road Hazard Protection $68.48 value. Two-year coverage.
>>Free Shipping
>> 
>> MICHELIN MXV Grand Touring Summer
>> $331.31 Per Tire Out of Stock Delivery by Friday, 07/05 to 87035
>>  Size: 185R14 90H
>> Style: Standard White Stripe, .5-1.0
>>Serv. Desc: 90H1323 lb, 130 MPH
>>  UTQG: None
>>Revs. Per Mile: ---
>>Free Road Hazard Protection $128.36 value. Two-year coverage.
>>Free Shipping
>> 
>> or if one wants what my car has now,
>> 
>> VREDESTEIN SPRINT CLASSIC Grand Touring Summer
>> $308.77 Per Tire In Stock Delivery by Wednesday, 06/12 to 87035
>>  Size: 205/70VR14 95V
>> Style: Blackwall Alternate Design
>>Serv. Desc: 95V1521 lb, 149 MPH
>>  UTQG: 220 A B
>>Free Road Hazard Protection $119.64 value. Two-year coverage.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> But from Discount Tire locally, I can get:
>> 
>> GENERAL ALTIMAX RT45
>> $118.00 Per Tire
>>  Size: 205/70R14 98T XL BSW
>> Style: Black Sidewall
>>Serv. Desc: 98T1653 lb, 118 MPH
>>  UTQG: 600 A B
>>Revs. Per Mile: ---
>>5% Military Discount for active duty, veterans, and reserves.
>>Free services included in the price:
>> FREE Airchecks / Flat Tire Repair / Tire Rotation
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for my 1980 300SD

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 20:34:44 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The Altimax is a great tire and they have sizes to fix just about all
> vintage of Mercedes.  

Thanks, Kaleb. I think that's what I will go with.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tires for my 1980 300SD

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The Altimax is a great tire and they have sizes to fix just about all vintage 
of Mercedes.  

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> On Jun 8, 2024, at 8:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:36:30 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Vredestein Sprint Classics in 185R14 are a great choice for a 300SD, and
>> it’s the original size.
>> 
>> 195 70 14 works, but the choices are getting worse and worse.  Except
>> you can now get Pirelli CN36s in that size.
>> 
>> I just put a set of Michelin MXV 185R14s on my 300SD… pricey but super
>> cool.  I put them on a lot of customer cars so I wanted to experience
>> them myself.
> 
> Thank you, Jaime.
> 
> The Vredestein Sprint Classic website is
> https://www.vredestein.com/classic-tires/products/990-SPRINT-CLASSIC/
> 
>Classic look combined with contemporary performance
> 
>The Sprint Classic completes the image for classic cars and is
>specially developed for enthusiasts with an eye for detail and
>design
> 
> 
> I found both the Vredesteins and Michelins on Tire Rack,
> 
> https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?tireIndex=0=Mercedes-Benz=1980=300SD==185%2F=0=14=34200=true=T=S=ALL
> 
> VREDESTEIN SPRINT CLASSIC Grand Touring Summer
> $176.77 Per Tire In Stock Delivery by Thursday, 06/13 to 87035
>  Size: 185HR14 90H
> Style: Blackwall
>Serv. Desc: 90H1323 lb, 130 MPH
>  UTQG: 220 A B
>Revs. Per Mile: 811
>Free Road Hazard Protection $68.48 value. Two-year coverage.
>Free Shipping
> 
> MICHELIN MXV Grand Touring Summer
> $331.31 Per Tire Out of Stock Delivery by Friday, 07/05 to 87035
>  Size: 185R14 90H
> Style: Standard White Stripe, .5-1.0
>Serv. Desc: 90H1323 lb, 130 MPH
>  UTQG: None
>Revs. Per Mile: ---
>Free Road Hazard Protection $128.36 value. Two-year coverage.
>Free Shipping
> 
> or if one wants what my car has now,
> 
> VREDESTEIN SPRINT CLASSIC Grand Touring Summer
> $308.77 Per Tire In Stock Delivery by Wednesday, 06/12 to 87035
>  Size: 205/70VR14 95V
> Style: Blackwall Alternate Design
>Serv. Desc: 95V1521 lb, 149 MPH
>  UTQG: 220 A B
>Free Road Hazard Protection $119.64 value. Two-year coverage.
> 
> 
> 
> But from Discount Tire locally, I can get:
> 
> GENERAL ALTIMAX RT45
> $118.00 Per Tire
>  Size: 205/70R14 98T XL BSW
> Style: Black Sidewall
>Serv. Desc: 98T1653 lb, 118 MPH
>  UTQG: 600 A B
>Revs. Per Mile: ---
>5% Military Discount for active duty, veterans, and reserves.
>Free services included in the price:
> FREE Airchecks / Flat Tire Repair / Tire Rotation
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for my 1980 300SD

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:36:30 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Vredestein Sprint Classics in 185R14 are a great choice for a 300SD, and
> it’s the original size.
> 
> 195 70 14 works, but the choices are getting worse and worse.  Except
> you can now get Pirelli CN36s in that size.
> 
> I just put a set of Michelin MXV 185R14s on my 300SD… pricey but super
> cool.  I put them on a lot of customer cars so I wanted to experience
> them myself.

Thank you, Jaime.

The Vredestein Sprint Classic website is
https://www.vredestein.com/classic-tires/products/990-SPRINT-CLASSIC/

Classic look combined with contemporary performance

The Sprint Classic completes the image for classic cars and is
specially developed for enthusiasts with an eye for detail and
design


I found both the Vredesteins and Michelins on Tire Rack,

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?tireIndex=0=Mercedes-Benz=1980=300SD==185%2F=0=14=34200=true=T=S=ALL

VREDESTEIN SPRINT CLASSIC Grand Touring Summer
$176.77 Per Tire In Stock Delivery by Thursday, 06/13 to 87035
  Size: 185HR14 90H
 Style: Blackwall
Serv. Desc: 90H 1323 lb, 130 MPH
  UTQG: 220 A B
Revs. Per Mile: 811
Free Road Hazard Protection $68.48 value. Two-year coverage.
Free Shipping

MICHELIN MXV Grand Touring Summer
$331.31 Per Tire Out of Stock Delivery by Friday, 07/05 to 87035
  Size: 185R14 90H
 Style: Standard White Stripe, .5-1.0
Serv. Desc: 90H 1323 lb, 130 MPH
  UTQG: None
Revs. Per Mile: ---
Free Road Hazard Protection $128.36 value. Two-year coverage.
Free Shipping

or if one wants what my car has now,

VREDESTEIN SPRINT CLASSIC Grand Touring Summer
$308.77 Per Tire In Stock Delivery by Wednesday, 06/12 to 87035
  Size: 205/70VR14 95V
 Style: Blackwall Alternate Design
Serv. Desc: 95V 1521 lb, 149 MPH
  UTQG: 220 A B
Free Road Hazard Protection $119.64 value. Two-year coverage.



But from Discount Tire locally, I can get:

GENERAL ALTIMAX RT45
$118.00 Per Tire
  Size: 205/70R14 98T XL BSW
 Style: Black Sidewall
Serv. Desc: 98T 1653 lb, 118 MPH
  UTQG: 600 A B
Revs. Per Mile: ---
5% Military Discount for active duty, veterans, and reserves.
Free services included in the price:
 FREE Airchecks / Flat Tire Repair / Tire Rotation


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tires for my 1980 300SD

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 16:29:24 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> General Alimax, Hankook, I have also had good luck with GT Radial 

Thank you, Kaleb.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tires for my 1980 300SD

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Vredestein Sprint Classics in 185R14 are a great choice for a 300SD, and
it’s the original size.

195 70 14 works, but the choices are getting worse and worse.  Except you
can now get Pirelli CN36s in that size.

I just put a set of Michelin MXV 185R14s on my 300SD… pricey but super
cool.  I put them on a lot of customer cars so I wanted to experience them
myself.

Jaime Kopchinski
https://classicworkshop.com/


On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 4:37 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> So I had the car up on four jackstands to bleed the brakes and had the
> thought of looking for the date code on the tires. I had trouble finding
> the information because it doesn't look like the examples I saw on-line.
>
> I finally decided the information in the first attached picture has the
> date code at its end.
>
> And to think I have been driving all over the middle part of this
> country ...
>
> The tires look new, though, as the second and third pictures show.
>
> I will need to get new tires for my W116 300SD (including the spare,
> which is worse than the road tires).
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations / experiences?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for my 1980 300SD

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

General Alimax, Hankook, I have also had good luck with GT Radial 

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> On Jun 8, 2024, at 3:37 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> So I had the car up on four jackstands to bleed the brakes and had the
> thought of looking for the date code on the tires. I had trouble finding
> the information because it doesn't look like the examples I saw on-line.
> 
> I finally decided the information in the first attached picture has the
> date code at its end.
> 
> And to think I have been driving all over the middle part of this
> country ...
> 
> The tires look new, though, as the second and third pictures show.
> 
> I will need to get new tires for my W116 300SD (including the spare,
> which is worse than the road tires).
> 
> Does anyone have any recommendations / experiences?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 19:20:49 -0700 David Bruckmann via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The tires are tubeless, but would originally have had tubes and can be
> run safely with or without depending on the application.
> 
> On the DS, with rim landings that are not "safety landings", you ought
> to run tubes, but plenty of people do not. The 2CV tires are also
> tubeless. But since the rims frequently leak, tubes are a help. In both
> cases the tires are designed to safely accommodate tubes, not a given
> for most modern tires because of heat buildup.
> 
> And yes, price is high, but again depends on how you use the car. Export
> price is without VAT. Free shipping to the US.

Thank you, David.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The tires are tubeless, but would originally have had tubes and can be run
safely with or without depending on the application.

On the DS, with rim landings that are not "safety landings", you ought to
run tubes, but plenty of people do not. The 2CV tires are also tubeless.
But since the rims frequently leak, tubes are a help. In both cases the
tires are designed to safely accommodate tubes, not a given for most modern
tires because of heat buildup.

And yes, price is high, but again depends on how you use the car. Export
price is without VAT. Free shipping to the US.


On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 Craig wrote:

>
>
> I noticed on all of their pages, Longstone has inner tubes listed.
>
> Were the original fitments with inner tubes?
>
> Are they helpful or required?
>
> I also noticed they list prices both with and without VAT.
> Which price does a US buyer pay?
>
>
> > > Longstone has Michelin XWX in 205/70/14, but they're even more
> > > expensive:
> > >
> > >
> https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/205-70-14/205-70wr14-michelin-xwx.html
> >
> > I'll settle for vague...
>
> I will agree with Andrew -- nearly $500 for an automobile tire is quite
> high. I can buy tires for my Kenworth for that, and those tires weigh on
> the order of 135 pounds!
>
>
> Craig
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 12:01:25 -0700 David Bruckmann via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Vague in a bad way. Not quite bad enough for me to get rid of them, but
> bad enough that I would never repeat the error.
> 
> I'm thinking of ordering a set of Michelin MXV-P tires
> https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/185hr14-michelin-mxv-p.html from
> Longstone.

I noticed on all of their pages, Longstone has inner tubes listed.

Were the original fitments with inner tubes?

Are they helpful or required?

I also noticed they list prices both with and without VAT.
Which price does a US buyer pay?


> > Longstone has Michelin XWX in 205/70/14, but they're even more
> > expensive:
> > 
> > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/205-70-14/205-70wr14-michelin-xwx.html
> 
> I'll settle for vague...

I will agree with Andrew -- nearly $500 for an automobile tire is quite
high. I can buy tires for my Kenworth for that, and those tires weigh on
the order of 135 pounds!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I'll settle for vague...

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 3:46 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Longstone has Michelin XWX in 205/70/14, but they're even more expensive:
>
>
> https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/205-70-14/205-70wr14-michelin-xwx.html
>
> Ditto the Pirelli Cinturato:
>
>
> https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/195-75-14/205-70wr14-pirelli-cinturato-cn36.html
>
> D.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Where can I find genuine Micehlins in my size?  205/70/14
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 3:32?PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Those 2CV tires are adorable.
> > >
> > > AZBob
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Jul 25, 2023, at 12:02 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ?Vague in a bad way. Not quite bad enough for me to get rid of them,
> > but
> > > bad
> > > > enough that I would never repeat the error.
> > > >
> > > > I'm thinking of ordering a set of Michelin MXV-P tires
> > > > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/185hr14-michelin-mxv-p.html from
> > > > Longstone. I've ordered from them for my Citro?ns several times over
> > the
> > > > years. Note that these are genuine Michelins, not licensed copies.
> For
> > a
> > > > while they were made in France, lately in Serbia.
> > > >
> > > > The 2CV got a set of
> > > > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/125sr15-michelin-x.html and the DS
> > got
> > > > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/180hr15-michelin-xas.html on the
> > > *front*
> > > > and narrower
> > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/165vr15-michelin-xas.html
> > > on
> > > > the *rear*, as was supplied from the factory!
> > > >
> > > > The tires arrived quickly (ordered from UK on Monday, received in
> > > > California on Friday) and were cheaper than Coker. Generally free
> > > shipping.
> > > > Of course vastly more expensive than the Kinergy ($250/tire vs $90),
> > but
> > > > also vastly better, IMHO. Depends on how you use the car.
> > > >
> > > > D.
> > > >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Longstone has Michelin XWX in 205/70/14, but they're even more expensive:

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/205-70-14/205-70wr14-michelin-xwx.html

Ditto the Pirelli Cinturato:

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/195-75-14/205-70wr14-pirelli-cinturato-cn36.html

D.


On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

>
>
> Where can I find genuine Micehlins in my size?  205/70/14
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 3:32?PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Those 2CV tires are adorable.
> >
> > AZBob
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 25, 2023, at 12:02 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Vague in a bad way. Not quite bad enough for me to get rid of them,
> but
> > bad
> > > enough that I would never repeat the error.
> > >
> > > I'm thinking of ordering a set of Michelin MXV-P tires
> > > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/185hr14-michelin-mxv-p.html from
> > > Longstone. I've ordered from them for my Citro?ns several times over
> the
> > > years. Note that these are genuine Michelins, not licensed copies. For
> a
> > > while they were made in France, lately in Serbia.
> > >
> > > The 2CV got a set of
> > > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/125sr15-michelin-x.html and the DS
> got
> > > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/180hr15-michelin-xas.html on the
> > *front*
> > > and narrower
> https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/165vr15-michelin-xas.html
> > on
> > > the *rear*, as was supplied from the factory!
> > >
> > > The tires arrived quickly (ordered from UK on Monday, received in
> > > California on Friday) and were cheaper than Coker. Generally free
> > shipping.
> > > Of course vastly more expensive than the Kinergy ($250/tire vs $90),
> but
> > > also vastly better, IMHO. Depends on how you use the car.
> > >
> > > D.
> > >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Where can I find genuine Micehlins in my size?  205/70/14

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 3:32 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Those 2CV tires are adorable.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 25, 2023, at 12:02 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Vague in a bad way. Not quite bad enough for me to get rid of them, but
> bad
> > enough that I would never repeat the error.
> >
> > I'm thinking of ordering a set of Michelin MXV-P tires
> > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/185hr14-michelin-mxv-p.html from
> > Longstone. I've ordered from them for my Citroëns several times over the
> > years. Note that these are genuine Michelins, not licensed copies. For a
> > while they were made in France, lately in Serbia.
> >
> > The 2CV got a set of
> > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/125sr15-michelin-x.html and the DS got
> > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/180hr15-michelin-xas.html on the
> *front*
> > and narrower https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/165vr15-michelin-xas.html
> on
> > the *rear*, as was supplied from the factory!
> >
> > The tires arrived quickly (ordered from UK on Monday, received in
> > California on Friday) and were cheaper than Coker. Generally free
> shipping.
> > Of course vastly more expensive than the Kinergy ($250/tire vs $90), but
> > also vastly better, IMHO. Depends on how you use the car.
> >
> > D.
> >
> >
> >> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 11:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> "Vague" in a good way or ...?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 2:25 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I put Kinergy 195/75R-14 tires on my W116, mostly because they most
> >>> closely
> >>> matched the circumference and characteristics of the original 185/80R14
> >>> tires. *They are vague* compared to the Michelin 205/70/14 it had
> >>> previously!
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >>>
> 
>  Limited choice of brands for my W126 300SD 205/70/14 (Michelin
> >>> discontinued
>  them) I will probably buy a set of Hankook Kinergy all season tires
> now
>  that Walmart is having a sale.
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hankook-Kinergy-ST-H735-All-Season-205-70R14-95T-Passenger-Tire/568267761?athbdg=L1300
> 
>  On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:45?PM Clay via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  wrote:
> 
> > For r107 I went with General Altimax H rated as alternative to
> >>> Vredstein
>  V
> > rated.  Same works well for w115 as well as the w126 SDL/SD.  I did
> >>> one
>  SDL
> > in cheep cheep chinee rubber that was AMAZING in Montana blizzard at
> > midnight coming and going a few years back.  Probably anomalous in
>  extreme,
> > but good in wet/dry/slick snow at speed for 20k miles
> >
> >
> > Clay
> >
> >> On Jul 24, 2023, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> What tires does everyone like these days for older 107/116/123/126
>  cars?
> 
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Those 2CV tires are adorable. 

AZBob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2023, at 12:02 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Vague in a bad way. Not quite bad enough for me to get rid of them, but bad
> enough that I would never repeat the error.
> 
> I'm thinking of ordering a set of Michelin MXV-P tires
> https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/185hr14-michelin-mxv-p.html from
> Longstone. I've ordered from them for my Citroëns several times over the
> years. Note that these are genuine Michelins, not licensed copies. For a
> while they were made in France, lately in Serbia.
> 
> The 2CV got a set of
> https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/125sr15-michelin-x.html and the DS got
> https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/180hr15-michelin-xas.html on the *front*
> and narrower https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/165vr15-michelin-xas.html on
> the *rear*, as was supplied from the factory!
> 
> The tires arrived quickly (ordered from UK on Monday, received in
> California on Friday) and were cheaper than Coker. Generally free shipping.
> Of course vastly more expensive than the Kinergy ($250/tire vs $90), but
> also vastly better, IMHO. Depends on how you use the car.
> 
> D.
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 11:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> "Vague" in a good way or ...?
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 2:25 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I put Kinergy 195/75R-14 tires on my W116, mostly because they most
>>> closely
>>> matched the circumference and characteristics of the original 185/80R14
>>> tires. *They are vague* compared to the Michelin 205/70/14 it had
>>> previously!
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>> 
 
 Limited choice of brands for my W126 300SD 205/70/14 (Michelin
>>> discontinued
 them) I will probably buy a set of Hankook Kinergy all season tires now
 that Walmart is having a sale.
 
 
 
>>> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hankook-Kinergy-ST-H735-All-Season-205-70R14-95T-Passenger-Tire/568267761?athbdg=L1300
 
 On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:45?PM Clay via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 wrote:
 
> For r107 I went with General Altimax H rated as alternative to
>>> Vredstein
 V
> rated.  Same works well for w115 as well as the w126 SDL/SD.  I did
>>> one
 SDL
> in cheep cheep chinee rubber that was AMAZING in Montana blizzard at
> midnight coming and going a few years back.  Probably anomalous in
 extreme,
> but good in wet/dry/slick snow at speed for 20k miles
> 
> 
> Clay
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2023, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What tires does everyone like these days for older 107/116/123/126
 cars?
 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Vague in a bad way. Not quite bad enough for me to get rid of them, but bad
enough that I would never repeat the error.

I'm thinking of ordering a set of Michelin MXV-P tires
https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/185hr14-michelin-mxv-p.html from
Longstone. I've ordered from them for my Citroëns several times over the
years. Note that these are genuine Michelins, not licensed copies. For a
while they were made in France, lately in Serbia.

The 2CV got a set of
https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/125sr15-michelin-x.html and the DS got
https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/180hr15-michelin-xas.html on the *front*
and narrower https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/165vr15-michelin-xas.html on
the *rear*, as was supplied from the factory!

The tires arrived quickly (ordered from UK on Monday, received in
California on Friday) and were cheaper than Coker. Generally free shipping.
Of course vastly more expensive than the Kinergy ($250/tire vs $90), but
also vastly better, IMHO. Depends on how you use the car.

D.


On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 11:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> "Vague" in a good way or ...?
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 2:25 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I put Kinergy 195/75R-14 tires on my W116, mostly because they most
>> closely
>> matched the circumference and characteristics of the original 185/80R14
>> tires. *They are vague* compared to the Michelin 205/70/14 it had
>> previously!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Limited choice of brands for my W126 300SD 205/70/14 (Michelin
>> discontinued
>> > them) I will probably buy a set of Hankook Kinergy all season tires now
>> > that Walmart is having a sale.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hankook-Kinergy-ST-H735-All-Season-205-70R14-95T-Passenger-Tire/568267761?athbdg=L1300
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:45?PM Clay via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > For r107 I went with General Altimax H rated as alternative to
>> Vredstein
>> > V
>> > > rated.  Same works well for w115 as well as the w126 SDL/SD.  I did
>> one
>> > SDL
>> > > in cheep cheep chinee rubber that was AMAZING in Montana blizzard at
>> > > midnight coming and going a few years back.  Probably anomalous in
>> > extreme,
>> > > but good in wet/dry/slick snow at speed for 20k miles
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Clay
>> > >
>> > > > On Jul 24, 2023, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > What tires does everyone like these days for older 107/116/123/126
>> > cars?
>> >
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

"Vague" in a good way or ...?

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 2:25 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I put Kinergy 195/75R-14 tires on my W116, mostly because they most closely
> matched the circumference and characteristics of the original 185/80R14
> tires. *They are vague* compared to the Michelin 205/70/14 it had
> previously!
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> >
> > Limited choice of brands for my W126 300SD 205/70/14 (Michelin
> discontinued
> > them) I will probably buy a set of Hankook Kinergy all season tires now
> > that Walmart is having a sale.
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hankook-Kinergy-ST-H735-All-Season-205-70R14-95T-Passenger-Tire/568267761?athbdg=L1300
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:45?PM Clay via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > For r107 I went with General Altimax H rated as alternative to
> Vredstein
> > V
> > > rated.  Same works well for w115 as well as the w126 SDL/SD.  I did one
> > SDL
> > > in cheep cheep chinee rubber that was AMAZING in Montana blizzard at
> > > midnight coming and going a few years back.  Probably anomalous in
> > extreme,
> > > but good in wet/dry/slick snow at speed for 20k miles
> > >
> > >
> > > Clay
> > >
> > > > On Jul 24, 2023, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What tires does everyone like these days for older 107/116/123/126
> > cars?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I put Kinergy 195/75R-14 tires on my W116, mostly because they most closely
matched the circumference and characteristics of the original 185/80R14
tires. *They are vague* compared to the Michelin 205/70/14 it had
previously!


On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

>
> Limited choice of brands for my W126 300SD 205/70/14 (Michelin discontinued
> them) I will probably buy a set of Hankook Kinergy all season tires now
> that Walmart is having a sale.
>
>
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hankook-Kinergy-ST-H735-All-Season-205-70R14-95T-Passenger-Tire/568267761?athbdg=L1300
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:45?PM Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > For r107 I went with General Altimax H rated as alternative to Vredstein
> V
> > rated.  Same works well for w115 as well as the w126 SDL/SD.  I did one
> SDL
> > in cheep cheep chinee rubber that was AMAZING in Montana blizzard at
> > midnight coming and going a few years back.  Probably anomalous in
> extreme,
> > but good in wet/dry/slick snow at speed for 20k miles
> >
> >
> > Clay
> >
> > > On Jul 24, 2023, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > What tires does everyone like these days for older 107/116/123/126
> cars?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Limited choice of brands for my W126 300SD 205/70/14 (Michelin discontinued
them) I will probably buy a set of Hankook Kinergy all season tires now
that Walmart is having a sale.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hankook-Kinergy-ST-H735-All-Season-205-70R14-95T-Passenger-Tire/568267761?athbdg=L1300

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:45 PM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> For r107 I went with General Altimax H rated as alternative to Vredstein V
> rated.  Same works well for w115 as well as the w126 SDL/SD.  I did one SDL
> in cheep cheep chinee rubber that was AMAZING in Montana blizzard at
> midnight coming and going a few years back.  Probably anomalous in extreme,
> but good in wet/dry/slick snow at speed for 20k miles
>
>
> Clay
>
> > On Jul 24, 2023, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > What tires does everyone like these days for older 107/116/123/126 cars?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[Clay via Mercedes]

For r107 I went with General Altimax H rated as alternative to Vredstein V 
rated.  Same works well for w115 as well as the w126 SDL/SD.  I did one SDL in 
cheep cheep chinee rubber that was AMAZING in Montana blizzard at midnight 
coming and going a few years back.  Probably anomalous in extreme, but good in 
wet/dry/slick snow at speed for 20k miles


Clay

> On Jul 24, 2023, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What tires does everyone like these days for older 107/116/123/126 cars?

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Re: [MBZ] Tires Have Good Thread

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That’s not a too stoopit ask--FTSent from iFōnOn Apr 4, 2023, at 3:55 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2601825439958063/ AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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Re: [MBZ] Tires and such

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Crap that I dont need.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 11:30 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> So what do you skimp on?
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 2:24 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> The things you use every day should be nice things. Penny wise pound
>> foolish. I never cheap out on shoes. Tires are like shoes for your car.
>>
>> When I lived in Baltimore, I would go to the used tire place and buy tires
>> from them. I had a beige 87 LTD and I would get the take offs from police
>> cars. Those days are over, but if you want to save money on tires, that is
>> the way to go. UPS runs used rubber.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 1:04 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I have heard talk about UTQG and high numbers being long wearing but not
>> > as good traction? What is a good range to be in? Some of the cheap and
>> not
>> > so cheap tires I have bought in the past were at 540 with around a 50k
>> > warranty. Looking at some such as the General RT43 that are 700 with a
>> 65k
>> > warranty. Thoughts?
>> >
>> > I checked my records on cheap tires I just a couple of years ago for $69
>> > are nearly double today. I used to prefer Michelins but quite frankly
>> I’m
>> > not paying their prices. They are well over $200, close to $300 a piece
>> for
>> > some models and sizes for certain cars and over $400 each for vehicles
>> such
>> > as the GL. Insane.  Used to be I would be double for Michelins which
>> would
>> > only be maybe $140 each.
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Tires and such

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Interesting parallel:

For years I gave my Dad crap about spending $200+ for a pair of Allen-Edmunds 
dress shoes when I would buy some $50-$75 Cole-Haas or some other brand. Some 
years after his passing, when I moved to Port Washington, WI where 
Allen-Edmunds is based, I went to their “tent sale”, an annual event at the 
beginning of every July where they sell factory second shoes in a tent out in 
front of the factory.

I bought a couple pairs of nice wingtips, probably spent $300. Once I got 
fitted, I knew why my Dad spent $200 on a pair of Allen-Edmunds. They fit like 
they’ve always been on my feet, they were unbelievably comfortable, and they 
lasted a long, long time - after which for $100 I could get them “recrafted” 
and have them good for more years of wear and enjoyment.

I probably have 10 pairs of A-Es in my closet right now. Sadly, I don’t wear 
dress shoes anymore, but when I did these were the only things I put on my 
feet. I have two pair of their “driving shoes”, which cost about $150/each (or 
used to), one of which are my “knock about the house” shoes, the other, a newer 
and pair in better condition, my casual “going out” shoes.

Yeah, they aren’t cheap, but they’re far more comfortable, fit better, and last 
much longer than cheaper shoes. Dad was right.

-D

> On Mar 22, 2022, at 2:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The things you use every day should be nice things. Penny wise pound
> foolish. I never cheap out on shoes. Tires are like shoes for your car.
> 
> When I lived in Baltimore, I would go to the used tire place and buy tires
> from them. I had a beige 87 LTD and I would get the take offs from police
> cars. Those days are over, but if you want to save money on tires, that is
> the way to go. UPS runs used rubber.
> 
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 1:04 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have heard talk about UTQG and high numbers being long wearing but not
>> as good traction? What is a good range to be in? Some of the cheap and not
>> so cheap tires I have bought in the past were at 540 with around a 50k
>> warranty. Looking at some such as the General RT43 that are 700 with a 65k
>> warranty. Thoughts?
>> 
>> I checked my records on cheap tires I just a couple of years ago for $69
>> are nearly double today. I used to prefer Michelins but quite frankly I’m
>> not paying their prices. They are well over $200, close to $300 a piece for
>> some models and sizes for certain cars and over $400 each for vehicles such
>> as the GL. Insane.  Used to be I would be double for Michelins which would
>> only be maybe $140 each.
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Re: [MBZ] Tires and such

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So what do you skimp on?

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 2:24 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> The things you use every day should be nice things. Penny wise pound
> foolish. I never cheap out on shoes. Tires are like shoes for your car.
>
> When I lived in Baltimore, I would go to the used tire place and buy tires
> from them. I had a beige 87 LTD and I would get the take offs from police
> cars. Those days are over, but if you want to save money on tires, that is
> the way to go. UPS runs used rubber.
>
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 1:04 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I have heard talk about UTQG and high numbers being long wearing but not
> > as good traction? What is a good range to be in? Some of the cheap and
> not
> > so cheap tires I have bought in the past were at 540 with around a 50k
> > warranty. Looking at some such as the General RT43 that are 700 with a
> 65k
> > warranty. Thoughts?
> >
> > I checked my records on cheap tires I just a couple of years ago for $69
> > are nearly double today. I used to prefer Michelins but quite frankly I’m
> > not paying their prices. They are well over $200, close to $300 a piece
> for
> > some models and sizes for certain cars and over $400 each for vehicles
> such
> > as the GL. Insane.  Used to be I would be double for Michelins which
> would
> > only be maybe $140 each.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Tires and such

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The things you use every day should be nice things. Penny wise pound
foolish. I never cheap out on shoes. Tires are like shoes for your car.

When I lived in Baltimore, I would go to the used tire place and buy tires
from them. I had a beige 87 LTD and I would get the take offs from police
cars. Those days are over, but if you want to save money on tires, that is
the way to go. UPS runs used rubber.

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> I have heard talk about UTQG and high numbers being long wearing but not
> as good traction? What is a good range to be in? Some of the cheap and not
> so cheap tires I have bought in the past were at 540 with around a 50k
> warranty. Looking at some such as the General RT43 that are 700 with a 65k
> warranty. Thoughts?
>
> I checked my records on cheap tires I just a couple of years ago for $69
> are nearly double today. I used to prefer Michelins but quite frankly I’m
> not paying their prices. They are well over $200, close to $300 a piece for
> some models and sizes for certain cars and over $400 each for vehicles such
> as the GL. Insane.  Used to be I would be double for Michelins which would
> only be maybe $140 each.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

And even those that are still working. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 23, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Which will be absolutely devastating to those on fixed incomes.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: April 23, 2021 7:10 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires
> 
> That is what happens when you print money.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 23, 2021, at 6:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think you can count on the price of everything going up.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 1:37 PM
>> To: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> Cc: Allan Streib 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires
>> 
>> Tire prices track oil prices, roughly.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> I’m at a dealership in Ohio and they were talking about the price of tires 
>>> going up. Somebody ordered some tires and by the time they came in price 
>>> had gone up $100. They suspect prices of tires will go up quite a bit this 
>>> summer. Just something I heard that I figured might be of interest.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Which will be absolutely devastating to those on fixed incomes.


Rick

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Sent: April 23, 2021 7:10 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Cc: ka...@striplin.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires

That is what happens when you print money.

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> On Apr 23, 2021, at 6:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
> I think you can count on the price of everything going up.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 1:37 PM
> To: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> Cc: Allan Streib 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires
>
> Tire prices track oil prices, roughly.
>
> Allan
>
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>
>> I’m at a dealership in Ohio and they were talking about the price of tires 
>> going up. Somebody ordered some tires and by the time they came in price had 
>> gone up $100. They suspect prices of tires will go up quite a bit this 
>> summer. Just something I heard that I figured might be of interest.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That is what happens when you print money. 

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> On Apr 23, 2021, at 6:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think you can count on the price of everything going up.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 1:37 PM
> To: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> Cc: Allan Streib 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires
> 
> Tire prices track oil prices, roughly.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I’m at a dealership in Ohio and they were talking about the price of tires 
>> going up. Somebody ordered some tires and by the time they came in price had 
>> gone up $100. They suspect prices of tires will go up quite a bit this 
>> summer. Just something I heard that I figured might be of interest. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I think you can count on the price of everything going up.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 1:37 PM
To: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires

Tire prices track oil prices, roughly.

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> I’m at a dealership in Ohio and they were talking about the price of tires 
> going up. Somebody ordered some tires and by the time they came in price had 
> gone up $100. They suspect prices of tires will go up quite a bit this 
> summer. Just something I heard that I figured might be of interest. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The price of Tesla tires won't be going up

--FT

On 4/23/21 1:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

They are working on recycling dead Tesla batteries into tires.

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 1:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I’m at a dealership in Ohio and they were talking about the price of tires
going up. Somebody ordered some tires and by the time they came in price
had gone up $100. They suspect prices of tires will go up quite a bit this
summer. Just something I heard that I figured might be of interest.

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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Tire prices track oil prices, roughly.

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> I’m at a dealership in Ohio and they were talking about the price of tires 
> going up. Somebody ordered some tires and by the time they came in price had 
> gone up $100. They suspect prices of tires will go up quite a bit this 
> summer. Just something I heard that I figured might be of interest. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

They are working on recycling dead Tesla batteries into tires.

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 1:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’m at a dealership in Ohio and they were talking about the price of tires
> going up. Somebody ordered some tires and by the time they came in price
> had gone up $100. They suspect prices of tires will go up quite a bit this
> summer. Just something I heard that I figured might be of interest.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires easy

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Check out the reviews of the website.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 1:23 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yea they have a ton of cheap tires I have never heard of. Not sure I want
> to try any of those.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Dec 23, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I was the one who recommended www.tires-easy.com.  I purchased sets of
> excellent H rated all season tires for my two 300TD wagons.  They sell
> unfamiliar brands for v. low prices but with a good warranty.  Brands you
> never heard of but they have excellent riding characteristics.  Never had a
> problem.  IIRC I paid $50 ea., including shipping.
> >
> >> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 11:33 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> I have a tire machine and computer balancer
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> >> > On Dec 22, 2020, at 10:32 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Can you mount/balance them yourself? Don't overlook the cost of
> having
> >> > that done, if not.
> >> >
> >> > When I bought snow tires in early November, I was going to get them
> from
> >> > Tire Rack but after looking at what I would pay for shipping and then
> >> > having them mounted and balanced, I bought from my local tire shop.
> They
> >> > also give me free lifetime repairs and rotation.
> >> >
> >> > Allan
> >> >
> >> > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> >> >
> >> >> Seems like one of you was a fan of tires easy? They have tires I
> need for the cheapest price. Hope I am not getting ripped off.
> >> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires easy

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea they have a ton of cheap tires I have never heard of. Not sure I want to 
try any of those. 

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> On Dec 23, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> 
> I was the one who recommended www.tires-easy.com.  I purchased sets of 
> excellent H rated all season tires for my two 300TD wagons.  They sell 
> unfamiliar brands for v. low prices but with a good warranty.  Brands you 
> never heard of but they have excellent riding characteristics.  Never had a 
> problem.  IIRC I paid $50 ea., including shipping.
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 11:33 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I have a tire machine and computer balancer 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Dec 22, 2020, at 10:32 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Can you mount/balance them yourself? Don't overlook the cost of having
>> > that done, if not.
>> > 
>> > When I bought snow tires in early November, I was going to get them from
>> > Tire Rack but after looking at what I would pay for shipping and then
>> > having them mounted and balanced, I bought from my local tire shop. They
>> > also give me free lifetime repairs and rotation.
>> > 
>> > Allan
>> > 
>> > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>> > 
>> >> Seems like one of you was a fan of tires easy? They have tires I need for 
>> >> the cheapest price. Hope I am not getting ripped off. 
>> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires easy

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

So that was where you got the Go For Em tires?

On 2020-12-23 09:37, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I was the one who recommended www.tires-easy.com.


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I was the one who recommended www.tires-easy.com.  I purchased sets of
excellent H rated all season tires for my two 300TD wagons.  They sell
unfamiliar brands for v. low prices but with a good warranty.  Brands you
never heard of but they have excellent riding characteristics.  Never had a
problem.  IIRC I paid $50 ea., including shipping.

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> I have a tire machine and computer balancer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Dec 22, 2020, at 10:32 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Can you mount/balance them yourself? Don't overlook the cost of having
> > that done, if not.
> >
> > When I bought snow tires in early November, I was going to get them from
> > Tire Rack but after looking at what I would pay for shipping and then
> > having them mounted and balanced, I bought from my local tire shop. They
> > also give me free lifetime repairs and rotation.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> >> Seems like one of you was a fan of tires easy? They have tires I need
> for the cheapest price. Hope I am not getting ripped off.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires easy

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I have a tire machine and computer balancer 

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> On Dec 22, 2020, at 10:32 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Can you mount/balance them yourself? Don't overlook the cost of having
> that done, if not.
> 
> When I bought snow tires in early November, I was going to get them from
> Tire Rack but after looking at what I would pay for shipping and then
> having them mounted and balanced, I bought from my local tire shop. They
> also give me free lifetime repairs and rotation.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Seems like one of you was a fan of tires easy? They have tires I need for 
>> the cheapest price. Hope I am not getting ripped off. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires easy

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Can you mount/balance them yourself? Don't overlook the cost of having
that done, if not.

When I bought snow tires in early November, I was going to get them from
Tire Rack but after looking at what I would pay for shipping and then
having them mounted and balanced, I bought from my local tire shop. They
also give me free lifetime repairs and rotation.

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> Seems like one of you was a fan of tires easy? They have tires I need for the 
> cheapest price. Hope I am not getting ripped off. 
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Re: [MBZ] tires

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Good choice in websites - I purchased my set of H rated radials for my W123
300TD  for less than $45 each, including shipping.  And they still work!

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> These are the 2 tires.  I have had a couple of sets of both on various
> cars and they have been fine, no issues.
>
> These are 97H XL
>
> https://www.discounttiredirect.com/buy-tires/milestar-ms932-sport/p/19338
>
> These are 93H SL
>
>
> https://www.discounttiredirect.com/buy-tires/gt-radial-touring-vp-plus/p/39190
>
>
> On 6/30/2020 4:51 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > 97 and 93 are a pretty big difference if they're the same size.
> > Is the one rated 97XL?
> > I'd expect the 97 to be heavier, have higher rolling resistance and be
> > more resistant to pothole damage.
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Re: [MBZ] tires

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

These are the 2 tires.  I have had a couple of sets of both on various 
cars and they have been fine, no issues.


These are 97H XL

https://www.discounttiredirect.com/buy-tires/milestar-ms932-sport/p/19338

These are 93H SL

https://www.discounttiredirect.com/buy-tires/gt-radial-touring-vp-plus/p/39190


On 6/30/2020 4:51 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

97 and 93 are a pretty big difference if they're the same size.
Is the one rated 97XL?
I'd expect the 97 to be heavier, have higher rolling resistance and be
more resistant to pothole damage.

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Re: [MBZ] tires

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97 and 93 are a pretty big difference if they're the same size.
Is the one rated 97XL?
I'd expect the 97 to be heavier, have higher rolling resistance and be
more resistant to pothole damage.

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Re: [MBZ] tires

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Harsher ride?  Makes sense.  So on a MB you probably want the lower rating?

On 6/30/2020 3:56 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Probably stiffer sidewalls which would make for a harsher ride I would 
think


-_FT

On 6/30/20 4:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
If looking at tire ratings if one tire is a 93H and the other is a 
97H, the higher one has more weight capacity I believe, correct? 
Would that translate to better handling or longevity, or really does 
not matter?



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Re: [MBZ] tires

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Probably stiffer sidewalls which would make for a harsher ride I would think

-_FT

On 6/30/20 4:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
If looking at tire ratings if one tire is a 93H and the other is a 
97H, the higher one has more weight capacity I believe, correct? Would 
that translate to better handling or longevity, or really does not 
matter?



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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

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Yes, you want h rated tires, period. I think t rated might be ok for older 115 
and 123 cars, maybe. 

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> On Dec 23, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I always purchase H rated tires for my 300TD.  The $45 GoForms were H rated.
> 
> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:55 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 15” bundts are as scarce as hen’s teeth and seriously expensive.  Even
>> finding steelies in that size is tough.
>> 
>> Mercedes made the 15” wheels for commercial chassis’, such as the Binz
>> conversions for things like ambulances, as well as on the long wheelbase
>> cars.  My 1984 LWB 250 had 15” steelies.  Drove liek no other W123 I had
>> ever owned, too.  It had a set of 14” bundts on it when I bought it, but
>> the seller gave me the option of taking the steelies with the chrome
>> covers, which I jumped at.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2018, at 11:36 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On December 23, 2018 at 11:17 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Some lady posted a set of 15 inch bundts with kumhos locally from a
>> 126, so
 I may scoop them up.
>>> 
>>> I thought early W126 came with 14" bundts, and don't those have the same
>> offset as W116/117/123?
>>> 
>>> A set of original 15" bundts is worth money.
>>> I believe they were only used with the 450SEL 6.9.
>>> 
>>> Aftermarket 15" bundts are more common. I'm not sure what those are
>> worth.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

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I always purchase H rated tires for my 300TD.  The $45 GoForms were H rated.

On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:55 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 15” bundts are as scarce as hen’s teeth and seriously expensive.  Even
> finding steelies in that size is tough.
>
> Mercedes made the 15” wheels for commercial chassis’, such as the Binz
> conversions for things like ambulances, as well as on the long wheelbase
> cars.  My 1984 LWB 250 had 15” steelies.  Drove liek no other W123 I had
> ever owned, too.  It had a set of 14” bundts on it when I bought it, but
> the seller gave me the option of taking the steelies with the chrome
> covers, which I jumped at.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Dec 23, 2018, at 11:36 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On December 23, 2018 at 11:17 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Some lady posted a set of 15 inch bundts with kumhos locally from a
> 126, so
> >> I may scoop them up.
> >
> > I thought early W126 came with 14" bundts, and don't those have the same
> offset as W116/117/123?
> >
> > A set of original 15" bundts is worth money.
> > I believe they were only used with the 450SEL 6.9.
> >
> > Aftermarket 15" bundts are more common. I'm not sure what those are
> worth.
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

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15” bundts are as scarce as hen’s teeth and seriously expensive.  Even finding 
steelies in that size is tough.

Mercedes made the 15” wheels for commercial chassis’, such as the Binz 
conversions for things like ambulances, as well as on the long wheelbase cars.  
My 1984 LWB 250 had 15” steelies.  Drove liek no other W123 I had ever owned, 
too.  It had a set of 14” bundts on it when I bought it, but the seller gave me 
the option of taking the steelies with the chrome covers, which I jumped at.

-D


> On Dec 23, 2018, at 11:36 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On December 23, 2018 at 11:17 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Some lady posted a set of 15 inch bundts with kumhos locally from a 126, so
>> I may scoop them up.
> 
> I thought early W126 came with 14" bundts, and don't those have the same 
> offset as W116/117/123?
> 
> A set of original 15" bundts is worth money.
> I believe they were only used with the 450SEL 6.9. 
> 
> Aftermarket 15" bundts are more common. I'm not sure what those are worth. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

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> On December 23, 2018 at 11:17 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Some lady posted a set of 15 inch bundts with kumhos locally from a 126, so
> I may scoop them up.

I thought early W126 came with 14" bundts, and don't those have the same offset 
as W116/117/123?

A set of original 15" bundts is worth money.
I believe they were only used with the 450SEL 6.9. 

Aftermarket 15" bundts are more common. I'm not sure what those are worth. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I typically go with the highest letter rating as it means more polyester
plies in the sidewall and better cornering performance from the stiffer
sidewall. The td is supposed to have h rated but they are hard to find.
Some lady posted a set of 15 inch bundts with kumhos locally from a 126, so
I may scoop them up.

Have had good luck with Hankook. Put a set of kumo all seasons on the
touareg and they perform well but the tread blocks are so big that they are
very noisy, so look out for that.


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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

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I bought one set of GOForms (20,000) and one of Kumho Sense.

On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 2:49 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> How many miles on your first set of goforums?
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 12/22/18 12:16 PM:
> > Tires-Easy.com is the cheapest and their service is OUTSTANDING.  The all
> > season Go Forms for my 300TD 123 wagon are still performing quite well,
> > @$45.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

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How many miles on your first set of goforums?

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 12/22/18 12:16 PM:

Tires-Easy.com is the cheapest and their service is OUTSTANDING.  The all
season Go Forms for my 300TD 123 wagon are still performing quite well,
@$45.




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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

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Tires-Easy.com is the cheapest and their service is OUTSTANDING.  The all
season Go Forms for my 300TD 123 wagon are still performing quite well,
@$45.



On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 1:11 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I buy from them or amazon
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 22, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You have to remember that simpletire is a consolidator of independent
> tar stores.   Some great buys IF the store wants to move them.   Otherwise,
> it is pretty near the prices of a retail store.
> >
> > Give discounttiredirect.com also.  That was Klebs tar source of choice
> a couple years ago, and I have found them to be good many times.
> >
> > Craig via Mercedes wrote on 12/22/18 11:51 AM:
> >> On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 07:23:16 -0500 Michael Esh via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I used the Defenders with good results several years ago.  I driving on
> >>> the Hankooks now and I am happy with them.
> >>
> >> On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 07:54:03 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I got Kumhos for the $500E300 from Tire Rack, shipped to and installed
> >>> at a local shop, had a rebate thing so they were pretty inexpensive.
> >>> Seem like OK tires, they do what tires are supposed to do.
> >>
> >> On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 08:08:58 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've been happy with Nokian Entyre for the 124 from
> >>> https://simpletire.com   or Barum from Discounttiredirect.com
> >>> different that discount tire.
> >>
> >> On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 16:05:38 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Discount Tire will price match anyone, so if you find a bargain
> >>> somewhere, they will match it. I have yet to find a really good tire
> >>> review page. Tire Rack isn't bad. I recently purchased a set of General
> >>> Altimax R whatever, and I'm happy with them. Discount can get way more
> >>> tires than they have in stock. They try to push the house brands, but
> >>> you can order any tire from their website, and it will be delivered to
> >>> the store in a couple days.
> >>
> >> Thank y'all for the information about tires. I have run Michelins
> >> predominately in the past, but I will bypass them now -- the $40 premium
> >> over Hankook is more than I want to pay now.
> >>
> >> I looked at simpletire.com. That's a great website. Maybe I will buy
> from
> >> them a set of 215/75R17.5 tires for our Kentucky furniture van. I could
> >> even buy from them tires for an earth mover! A cursory look at their
> >> automobile tire prices, however, show them to be more than Discount
> Tire,
> >> even with the 5% discount for signing up for their emails (which is good
> >> only for the day one signs up).
> >>
> >> simpletire.com   Discount Tire
> >>
> >> Michelin Defender T+H  $116.20  $107.00
> >>
> >> Falken Sincera SN250 A/S   $ 71.97  $ 55.00
> >>
> >> Perhaps that is due to promotions at DT; I don't know.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm going to do a little more looking on the Discount Tire website and
> >> then give them a call. I'd like to get the tires today when I'm in
> >> Albuquerque and have the car on a trailer -- driving on the tires it has
> >> now would be a bad idea!
> >>
> >> Craig
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

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I buy from them or amazon 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You have to remember that simpletire is a consolidator of independent tar 
> stores.   Some great buys IF the store wants to move them.   Otherwise, it is 
> pretty near the prices of a retail store.
> 
> Give discounttiredirect.com also.  That was Klebs tar source of choice a 
> couple years ago, and I have found them to be good many times.
> 
> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 12/22/18 11:51 AM:
>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 07:23:16 -0500 Michael Esh via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I used the Defenders with good results several years ago.  I driving on
>>> the Hankooks now and I am happy with them.
>> 
>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 07:54:03 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I got Kumhos for the $500E300 from Tire Rack, shipped to and installed
>>> at a local shop, had a rebate thing so they were pretty inexpensive.
>>> Seem like OK tires, they do what tires are supposed to do.
>> 
>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 08:08:58 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I've been happy with Nokian Entyre for the 124 from
>>> https://simpletire.com   or Barum from Discounttiredirect.com
>>> different that discount tire.
>> 
>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 16:05:38 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Discount Tire will price match anyone, so if you find a bargain
>>> somewhere, they will match it. I have yet to find a really good tire
>>> review page. Tire Rack isn't bad. I recently purchased a set of General
>>> Altimax R whatever, and I'm happy with them. Discount can get way more
>>> tires than they have in stock. They try to push the house brands, but
>>> you can order any tire from their website, and it will be delivered to
>>> the store in a couple days.
>> 
>> Thank y'all for the information about tires. I have run Michelins
>> predominately in the past, but I will bypass them now -- the $40 premium
>> over Hankook is more than I want to pay now.
>> 
>> I looked at simpletire.com. That's a great website. Maybe I will buy from
>> them a set of 215/75R17.5 tires for our Kentucky furniture van. I could
>> even buy from them tires for an earth mover! A cursory look at their
>> automobile tire prices, however, show them to be more than Discount Tire,
>> even with the 5% discount for signing up for their emails (which is good
>> only for the day one signs up).
>> 
>> simpletire.com   Discount Tire
>> 
>> Michelin Defender T+H  $116.20  $107.00
>> 
>> Falken Sincera SN250 A/S   $ 71.97  $ 55.00
>> 
>> Perhaps that is due to promotions at DT; I don't know.
>> 
>> 
>> I'm going to do a little more looking on the Discount Tire website and
>> then give them a call. I'd like to get the tires today when I'm in
>> Albuquerque and have the car on a trailer -- driving on the tires it has
>> now would be a bad idea!
>> 
>> Craig
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You have to remember that simpletire is a consolidator of independent 
tar stores.   Some great buys IF the store wants to move them.   
Otherwise, it is pretty near the prices of a retail store.


Give discounttiredirect.com also.  That was Klebs tar source of choice a 
couple years ago, and I have found them to be good many times.


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 12/22/18 11:51 AM:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 07:23:16 -0500 Michael Esh via Mercedes
 wrote:


I used the Defenders with good results several years ago.  I driving on
the Hankooks now and I am happy with them.


On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 07:54:03 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:


I got Kumhos for the $500E300 from Tire Rack, shipped to and installed
at a local shop, had a rebate thing so they were pretty inexpensive.
Seem like OK tires, they do what tires are supposed to do.


On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 08:08:58 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:


I've been happy with Nokian Entyre for the 124 from
https://simpletire.com   or Barum from Discounttiredirect.com
different that discount tire.


On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 16:05:38 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:


Discount Tire will price match anyone, so if you find a bargain
somewhere, they will match it. I have yet to find a really good tire
review page. Tire Rack isn't bad. I recently purchased a set of General
Altimax R whatever, and I'm happy with them. Discount can get way more
tires than they have in stock. They try to push the house brands, but
you can order any tire from their website, and it will be delivered to
the store in a couple days.


Thank y'all for the information about tires. I have run Michelins
predominately in the past, but I will bypass them now -- the $40 premium
over Hankook is more than I want to pay now.

I looked at simpletire.com. That's a great website. Maybe I will buy from
them a set of 215/75R17.5 tires for our Kentucky furniture van. I could
even buy from them tires for an earth mover! A cursory look at their
automobile tire prices, however, show them to be more than Discount Tire,
even with the 5% discount for signing up for their emails (which is good
only for the day one signs up).

 simpletire.com   Discount Tire

Michelin Defender T+H  $116.20  $107.00

Falken Sincera SN250 A/S   $ 71.97  $ 55.00

Perhaps that is due to promotions at DT; I don't know.


I'm going to do a little more looking on the Discount Tire website and
then give them a call. I'd like to get the tires today when I'm in
Albuquerque and have the car on a trailer -- driving on the tires it has
now would be a bad idea!

Craig



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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 07:23:16 -0500 Michael Esh via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I used the Defenders with good results several years ago.  I driving on
> the Hankooks now and I am happy with them. 


On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 07:54:03 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I got Kumhos for the $500E300 from Tire Rack, shipped to and installed
> at a local shop, had a rebate thing so they were pretty inexpensive.
> Seem like OK tires, they do what tires are supposed to do.


On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 08:08:58 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I've been happy with Nokian Entyre for the 124 from 
> https://simpletire.com   or Barum from Discounttiredirect.com   
> different that discount tire.  


On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 16:05:38 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Discount Tire will price match anyone, so if you find a bargain
> somewhere, they will match it. I have yet to find a really good tire
> review page. Tire Rack isn't bad. I recently purchased a set of General
> Altimax R whatever, and I'm happy with them. Discount can get way more
> tires than they have in stock. They try to push the house brands, but
> you can order any tire from their website, and it will be delivered to
> the store in a couple days.


Thank y'all for the information about tires. I have run Michelins
predominately in the past, but I will bypass them now -- the $40 premium
over Hankook is more than I want to pay now.

I looked at simpletire.com. That's a great website. Maybe I will buy from
them a set of 215/75R17.5 tires for our Kentucky furniture van. I could
even buy from them tires for an earth mover! A cursory look at their
automobile tire prices, however, show them to be more than Discount Tire,
even with the 5% discount for signing up for their emails (which is good
only for the day one signs up).

simpletire.com   Discount Tire

Michelin Defender T+H  $116.20  $107.00

Falken Sincera SN250 A/S   $ 71.97  $ 55.00

Perhaps that is due to promotions at DT; I don't know.


I'm going to do a little more looking on the Discount Tire website and
then give them a call. I'd like to get the tires today when I'm in
Albuquerque and have the car on a trailer -- driving on the tires it has
now would be a bad idea!

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Discount Tire will price match anyone, so if you find a bargain somewhere, they 
will match it. I have yet to find a really good tire review page. Tire Rack 
isn't bad. I recently purchased a set of General Altimax R whatever, and I'm 
happy with them. Discount can get way more tires than they have in stock. They 
try to push the house brands, but you can order any tire from their website, 
and it will be delivered to the store in a couple days.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I've been happy with Nokian Entyre for the 124 from 
https://simpletire.com   or Barum from Discounttiredirect.com   
different that discount tire.  Both allow you to ship the tires direct 
to a local dealer for installation.   They end up being around $80 each 
installed.   In the last case, it was the firestone store that is maybe 
1/8 miile away.  Very easy to walk there.


Michelins have not provided good service life for me, and are not worth 
the super high price.


For the van I use Nokian Entyre 2.0 from simpletire.   Simpletire seems 
to list the inventory of local tire shops, who often discount the 
inventory deeply to move it out.


I tried Cooper 3, 4 and 5.   The service life is ok but they tend to 
slip belts like all 'Merkin tars.  Rain/snow traction was good for a 
road tar.  I think I got about 60k miles on the CS4 on the van.  There 
was lots of tread left when the clown car ride got unbearable.   For 
what I paid, the service life is ok, but could have been better.


One set of Barum has 30-40 k so far, and they seem to hold up well. Keep 
in mind they are essentially Yuro Continentals, which were always my 
first choice in tars when the yuro Continentals were available in the US.


Since Conti bought general, the USA contis are not as good.  They slip 
belts like a general tar.  They also price them neat michelin.  I guess 
that is ok, because they are equally bad.


The nokians are in the 10-20k mile range, so the jury is still out, but 
Jim and others have sworn by Nokis.  So far, so good.  All are better 
than warehouse club tars or dead sam tars.


After 40 years of building radial tar in the USA, there is no excuse for 
USA tars slipping belts something like 90% of the time.  I've never had 
a slipped belt on yuro tars except Michelin.  The  only difference I can 
come up with as a theory is that turnover in Merkun tar plants is 
multiples of a yuro tar plant.  In yurp, by the time you are 16-18 you 
are put in an occupation, and pretty much have to stay there for your 
working life.


French or spanish Michelins?  well we all know about the Frog work 
ethic.  USA michelins=slipped belts.

I've had very poor results with asian tars.


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 12/22/18 12:12 AM:

The first thing I have to do after picking the car up from Old Town
Albuquerque is to get a new set of tires -- the car was sitting in
someone's yard for six years until six months ago so the tires are
toast (recall one of the craigslist pictures showed the right-rear
tire as flat and the rim sitting on it).

I thought of stopping by Costco, but then thought about Discount Tire
because of the abundance of their stores throughout the country and the
availability of a road hazards warranty.

So what manufacturer and model of tire is the next question!

One of the tires Discount Tire is pushing is the Michelin Defender T+H
195/65R15 91H SL BSW with an 80,000 mile warranty for $107.00 each.
It has: Tread Grade820
Traction Grade A
 Temperature Grade  B
Speed Rating   Up to 130 mph
 customer reviews   4.8 Out of 5


Adding the filters "On Promotion", "Review Ratings 5 of 5", and "In
Stock" yields the Hankook Kinergy PT H737 195/65R15 91H SL BSW with a
90,000 mile warranty for $66.00 each.
It has: Tread Grade860
Traction Grade A
Temperature Grade  A
Speed Rating   Up to 130 mph
customer reviews   5.0 Out of 5  (from one person who has a Prius)

Other tires available are:

Hankook Kinergy GT H436 195/65R15 91T SL BSW HK 60,000-mile warranty.
$66.00
It has: Tread Grade540
Traction Grade A
 Temperature Grade  A
Speed Rating   Up to 118 mph


Pirelli P4 Fourseasons Plus P195/65R15 91T SL BSW 90,000 mile warranty
for $80.00 each.
It has: Tread Grade760
Traction Grade A
Temperature Grade  B
Speed Rating   Up to 118 mph
customer reviews   4.4 Out of 5


Barum Brillantis 2 195/65R15 91T SL BSW 40,000 mile warranty
$62.00
It has: Tread Grade420
Traction Grade A
Temperature Grade  B
 Speed Rating   Up to 118 mph
customer reviews   4.5 Out of 5


They also have tires by Goodyear, Bridgestone, Dunlap, and others, as
well as many others by Hankook.


So, what to do?


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I got Kumhos for the $500E300 from Tire Rack, shipped to and installed at a 
local shop, had a rebate thing so they were pretty inexpensive. Seem like OK 
tires, they do what tires are supposed to do. Some reviews suggested they wear 
quickly but I haven’t put too many miles on them so don’t know. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2018, at 1:12 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> The first thing I have to do after picking the car up from Old Town
> Albuquerque is to get a new set of tires -- the car was sitting in
> someone's yard for six years until six months ago so the tires are
> toast (recall one of the craigslist pictures showed the right-rear
> tire as flat and the rim sitting on it).
> 
> I thought of stopping by Costco, but then thought about Discount Tire
> because of the abundance of their stores throughout the country and the
> availability of a road hazards warranty.
> 
> So what manufacturer and model of tire is the next question!
> 
> One of the tires Discount Tire is pushing is the Michelin Defender T+H
> 195/65R15 91H SL BSW with an 80,000 mile warranty for $107.00 each.
> It has:Tread Grade820
>Traction Grade A
>Temperature Grade  B
>Speed Rating   Up to 130 mph
>customer reviews   4.8 Out of 5
> 
> 
> Adding the filters "On Promotion", "Review Ratings 5 of 5", and "In
> Stock" yields the Hankook Kinergy PT H737 195/65R15 91H SL BSW with a
> 90,000 mile warranty for $66.00 each.
> It has:Tread Grade860
>Traction Grade A
>Temperature Grade  A
>Speed Rating   Up to 130 mph
>customer reviews   5.0 Out of 5  (from one person who has a Prius)
> 
> Other tires available are:
> 
> Hankook Kinergy GT H436 195/65R15 91T SL BSW HK 60,000-mile warranty.
> $66.00
> It has: Tread Grade540
>Traction Grade A
>Temperature Grade  A
>Speed Rating   Up to 118 mph
> 
> 
> Pirelli P4 Fourseasons Plus P195/65R15 91T SL BSW 90,000 mile warranty
> for $80.00 each.
> It has: Tread Grade760
>Traction Grade A
>Temperature Grade  B
>Speed Rating   Up to 118 mph
>customer reviews   4.4 Out of 5
> 
> 
> Barum Brillantis 2 195/65R15 91T SL BSW 40,000 mile warranty
> $62.00
> It has: Tread Grade420
>Traction Grade A
>Temperature Grade  B
>Speed Rating   Up to 118 mph
>customer reviews   4.5 Out of 5
> 
> 
> They also have tires by Goodyear, Bridgestone, Dunlap, and others, as
> well as many others by Hankook.
> 
> 
> So, what to do?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

I used the Defenders with good results several years ago.  I driving on the 
Hankooks now and I am happy with them. 

Michael E. Esh


> On Dec 22, 2018, at 1:12 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> The first thing I have to do after picking the car up from Old Town
> Albuquerque is to get a new set of tires -- the car was sitting in
> someone's yard for six years until six months ago so the tires are
> toast (recall one of the craigslist pictures showed the right-rear
> tire as flat and the rim sitting on it).
> 
> I thought of stopping by Costco, but then thought about Discount Tire
> because of the abundance of their stores throughout the country and the
> availability of a road hazards warranty.
> 
> So what manufacturer and model of tire is the next question!
> 
> One of the tires Discount Tire is pushing is the Michelin Defender T+H
> 195/65R15 91H SL BSW with an 80,000 mile warranty for $107.00 each.
> It has:Tread Grade820
>Traction Grade A
>Temperature Grade  B
>Speed Rating   Up to 130 mph
>customer reviews   4.8 Out of 5
> 
> 
> Adding the filters "On Promotion", "Review Ratings 5 of 5", and "In
> Stock" yields the Hankook Kinergy PT H737 195/65R15 91H SL BSW with a
> 90,000 mile warranty for $66.00 each.
> It has:Tread Grade860
>Traction Grade A
>Temperature Grade  A
>Speed Rating   Up to 130 mph
>customer reviews   5.0 Out of 5  (from one person who has a Prius)
> 
> Other tires available are:
> 
> Hankook Kinergy GT H436 195/65R15 91T SL BSW HK 60,000-mile warranty.
> $66.00
> It has: Tread Grade540
>Traction Grade A
>Temperature Grade  A
>Speed Rating   Up to 118 mph
> 
> 
> Pirelli P4 Fourseasons Plus P195/65R15 91T SL BSW 90,000 mile warranty
> for $80.00 each.
> It has: Tread Grade760
>Traction Grade A
>Temperature Grade  B
>Speed Rating   Up to 118 mph
>customer reviews   4.4 Out of 5
> 
> 
> Barum Brillantis 2 195/65R15 91T SL BSW 40,000 mile warranty
> $62.00
> It has: Tread Grade420
>Traction Grade A
>Temperature Grade  B
>Speed Rating   Up to 118 mph
>customer reviews   4.5 Out of 5
> 
> 
> They also have tires by Goodyear, Bridgestone, Dunlap, and others, as
> well as many others by Hankook.
> 
> 
> So, what to do?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 28, 2017 at 2:45 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The tires on this 240d are dated 3105. They still look good. My guess is they 
> should be replaced.

How much UV exposure have they had, and how much of the last 12 years was 
indoors?

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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/consumer-reports-never-to-be-truted-ar41569.html

http://www.allpar.com/cr.html

http://www.thecarconnection.com/tips-article/1003594_is-consumer-reports-biased
for starters.  Search Consumer Reports bias.   That turned up a whole 
heap of exposures.



Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
August 18, 2017 at 11:43 AM

Expound please.

"Just the facts, ma'am. "

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

What facts came out and who exposed them?
Gerry
~~~
Curley McLain wrote:

> I don't trust CR to be honest about anything.  For decades they were 
> pushing toadas only.  I always thought that was fishy, then the facts 
> came out and CR was exposed as a fraud.
> 
> > Donald Snook via Mercedes 
> > August 17, 2017 at 2:52 PM
> > That is why I decided to get the premiere a/s. They claim they stop 
> > just as well when worn. Consumer Reports tested it and the premiere 
> > were as good or better stopping on wet roads when it was 50% worn. 
> > Michelin claims that the wet /rain grooves expand and therefore are 
> > better at dispersing water.
> >
> > https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/08/tests-reveal-the-michelin-premier-as-tire-that-doesn-t-give-up-grip-as-it-wears/index.htm
> >
> >
> > Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Curley, not Shirley sez:

>then the facts 
>came out and CR was exposed as a fraud.

Expound please.

"Just the facts, ma'am. "

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I don't trust CR to be honest about anything.  For decades they were 
pushing toadas only.  I always thought that was fishy, then the facts 
came out and CR was exposed as a fraud.



Donald Snook via Mercedes 
August 17, 2017 at 2:52 PM
That is why I decided to get the premiere a/s. They claim they stop 
just as well when worn. Consumer Reports tested it and the premiere 
were as good or better stopping on wet roads when it was 50% worn. 
Michelin claims that the wet /rain grooves expand and therefore are 
better at dispersing water.


https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/08/tests-reveal-the-michelin-premier-as-tire-that-doesn-t-give-up-grip-as-it-wears/index.htm


Don Snook


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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Looks like around $15 is the bottom price including disposal of the old tires. 
Other places with better locations charge $20 plus $3 disposal.
Gerry
~~~
> My local Discount Tire charges $16 a wheel for mounting, balancing, and old 
> tire disposal. Doesn't matter if you bought them there or not.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My parents had a Jeep Cherokee that was worthless in any slippery situation 
outside of 4wd. The tires lasted something crazy like 90,000 miles. Dad said 
"I'm going to replace them with the same tires, they wear so good." I never 
understood that.When we went moose hunting last year he wanted to go in my 
pickup with the General Grabber AT2s...
-Curt

On Thursday, August 17, 2017, 12:18:08 PM PDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:

On 17/08/2017 2:06 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
> Isn't the issue with these million-mile tires that they are a really 
> hard compound and not too good in the wet?
>
> --R
>
And even worse in snow or on ice.
Years back I had a set of Michelin tires that would not wear out - But 
they got to where I could get stuck on a flat parking lot if it was 
slippery.
I was at a local auto parts store and could not move forward or backward 
as the lot was a bit uneven from it being warm and then turning cold. 
Small bumps in the ice prevented me from moving as the tires just spun.
I finally replaced them for that reason.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 17, 2017 at 3:38 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> My local Discount Tire charges $16 a wheel for mounting, balancing, and old 
> tire disposal. Doesn't matter if you bought them there or not.

Last time I was there, maybe 20 years ago, it was free mounting and rotation, 
but you had to pay for balancing. At the time Wal-mart only charged for 
balancing, if you bought the tire and paid for the balance, you got lifetime 
road hazard from Wal-Mart. Not any more. 

My Farm Bureau charges $2 stem, $5 dismount, $5 mount, $5 balance. 
So, $17 or $12, depending on if the rim was bare. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

That is why I decided to get the premiere a/s.  They claim they stop just as 
well when worn.   Consumer Reports tested it and the premiere were as good or 
better stopping on wet roads when it was 50% worn.   Michelin claims that the 
wet /rain grooves expand and therefore are better at dispersing water.  

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/08/tests-reveal-the-michelin-premier-as-tire-that-doesn-t-give-up-grip-as-it-wears/index.htm


Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Rich Thomas [mailto:richthomas79td...@constructivity.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:07 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

Isn't the issue with these million-mile tires that they are a really hard 
compound and not too good in the wet?

--R


On 8/17/17 1:48 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> I bought grand daughter Defenders for her Honda Accord several years ago and 
> she's still driving on them; no problems.
>
> How much does Walmart charge for mounting tires? I just paid a local shop $60 
> for mounting and balancing 4 tires. Disposal was included in the price.
> Thanks,
> Gerry
> 
> "Kaleb wrote:
>> Defender is going to be a lower speed rated tire. I know it is only 
>> appropriate on older cars. Should not be used on anything 124 or 
>> newer. I will say I have the premiers on my 97 e300 and they are 
>> great tires. Order from discount tire direct though, should be 
>> cheaper than tire rack. If you don't have your own tire machine and 
>> computer balancer like I do them them them to Walmart to get mounted
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A couple weeks ago I discovered I had a bad tire with a big gash and steel 
>>> belts starting to poke through the tread.  I put the spare on the car and 
>>> had all the tires balanced. I planned to replace the tires sometime this 
>>> month.   In the interim I drove over 2000 miles on a trip to Mississippi.  
>>> My brother rode with me on part of the trip and we noticed a vibration was 
>>> back even though I had the tires all balanced.   I checked the tire 
>>> pressure and tried to feel around the tires and didn't notice anything.  I 
>>> made it back to Wichita without any problems.   But, Monday I was working 
>>> and the maintenance guy from the building next to mine asked me if I had 
>>> seen my car.   About 30 minutes before I had gone to lunch less than a mile 
>>> from my office and returned.  It was fine then.  Apparently, after getting 
>>> back from lunch, the tire had enough and gave up.  It was totally flat.   I 
>>> took a picture.  It was bad.  This was NOT the one with a gash in it.  But, 
>>> it did fail on the inside edg
 e - clearly the alignment is off.So, now I am getting FOUR new tires and 
an alignment.
>>>
>>> Shopping for tires took some real research.  I wanted to get Michelins if I 
>>> could afford them.  I called all around to places in Wichita and no one had 
>>> any.  It is not a weird size, they are 235-60-16.   One shop said they 
>>> could order a set of the Michelin Defender for $925 (with 
>>> mounting/balancing/taxes etc).  But, I finally found them on Tire Rack!   I 
>>> got the more expensive Michelin Premiere for $600 including shipping!   
>>> Another shop had quoted me over $200 per tire plus mounting and balancing.  
>>>  Most of the shops were trying to sell me Goodyear OR the Potenza.  But, 
>>> the Potenza was $240 per tire and had no mileage warranty.
>>>
>>> I hope I decided on the right ones.  The Michelin defender is very popular 
>>> and is ultra long wearing.  Many reviews reported 90,000 miles on them.   
>>> But, the Premiere A/S has the very best ratings for wet driving situations 
>>> and still has a long 70,000 mile warranty.
>>>
>>> A picture of my flat is attached!
>>>
>>>
>>> Don Snook
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

YES!!! and awful in Schnee.


Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
August 17, 2017 at 2:06 PM
Isn't the issue with these million-mile tires that they are a really 
hard compound and not too good in the wet?


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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

My local Discount Tire charges $16 a wheel for mounting, balancing, and old 
tire disposal. Doesn't matter if you bought them there or not.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Maybe because they had them in Denver so its not a cross country deal.  I am 
not sure.  The shipping was only $64.  I thought that was pretty good.  I 
ordered them Monday night and they will be here today. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:27 AM
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

Wow never seen that, tire rack has always been more expensive after shipping. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Donald Snook <d...@snooklawllc.com> wrote:
> 
> Discount tire was $140 more expensive than Tire Rack even with shipping.  I 
> got the road hazard included and got 10% off the tires.
> 
> Don Snook   
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 1:38 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again
> 
> Defender is going to be a lower speed rated tire. I know it is only 
> appropriate on older cars. Should not be used on anything 124 or newer. I 
> will say I have the premiers on my 97 e300 and they are great tires. Order 
> from discount tire direct though, should be cheaper than tire rack. If you 
> don't have your own tire machine and computer balancer like I do them them 
> them to Walmart to get mounted 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A couple weeks ago I discovered I had a bad tire with a big gash and steel 
>> belts starting to poke through the tread.  I put the spare on the car and 
>> had all the tires balanced. I planned to replace the tires sometime this 
>> month.   In the interim I drove over 2000 miles on a trip to Mississippi.  
>> My brother rode with me on part of the trip and we noticed a vibration was 
>> back even though I had the tires all balanced.   I checked the tire pressure 
>> and tried to feel around the tires and didn't notice anything.  I made it 
>> back to Wichita without any problems.   But, Monday I was working and the 
>> maintenance guy from the building next to mine asked me if I had seen my 
>> car.   About 30 minutes before I had gone to lunch less than a mile from my 
>> office and returned.  It was fine then.  Apparently, after getting back from 
>> lunch, the tire had enough and gave up.  It was totally flat.   I took a 
>> picture.  It was bad.  This was NOT the one with a gash in it.  But, it did 
>> fail on the inside edge
  - clearly the alignment is off.So, now I am getting FOUR new tires and an 
alignment.
>> 
>> Shopping for tires took some real research.  I wanted to get Michelins if I 
>> could afford them.  I called all around to places in Wichita and no one had 
>> any.  It is not a weird size, they are 235-60-16.   One shop said they could 
>> order a set of the Michelin Defender for $925 (with mounting/balancing/taxes 
>> etc).  But, I finally found them on Tire Rack!   I got the more expensive 
>> Michelin Premiere for $600 including shipping!   Another shop had quoted me 
>> over $200 per tire plus mounting and balancing.   Most of the shops were 
>> trying to sell me Goodyear OR the Potenza.  But, the Potenza was $240 per 
>> tire and had no mileage warranty.
>> 
>> I hope I decided on the right ones.  The Michelin defender is very popular 
>> and is ultra long wearing.  Many reviews reported 90,000 miles on them.   
>> But, the Premiere A/S has the very best ratings for wet driving situations 
>> and still has a long 70,000 mile warranty.
>> 
>> A picture of my flat is attached!
>> 
>> 
>> Don Snook
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 17/08/2017 2:06 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
Isn't the issue with these million-mile tires that they are a really 
hard compound and not too good in the wet?


--R


And even worse in snow or on ice.
Years back I had a set of Michelin tires that would not wear out - But 
they got to where I could get stuck on a flat parking lot if it was 
slippery.
I was at a local auto parts store and could not move forward or backward 
as the lot was a bit uneven from it being warm and then turning cold. 
Small bumps in the ice prevented me from moving as the tires just spun.

I finally replaced them for that reason.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Isn't the issue with these million-mile tires that they are a really 
hard compound and not too good in the wet?


--R


On 8/17/17 1:48 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

I bought grand daughter Defenders for her Honda Accord several years ago and 
she's still driving on them; no problems.

How much does Walmart charge for mounting tires? I just paid a local shop $60 
for mounting and balancing 4 tires. Disposal was included in the price.
Thanks,
Gerry

"Kaleb wrote:

Defender is going to be a lower speed rated tire. I know it is only appropriate 
on older cars. Should not be used on anything 124 or newer. I will say I have 
the premiers on my 97 e300 and they are great tires. Order from discount tire 
direct though, should be cheaper than tire rack. If you don't have your own 
tire machine and computer balancer like I do them them them to Walmart to get 
mounted

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes  
wrote:

A couple weeks ago I discovered I had a bad tire with a big gash and steel 
belts starting to poke through the tread.  I put the spare on the car and had 
all the tires balanced. I planned to replace the tires sometime this month.   
In the interim I drove over 2000 miles on a trip to Mississippi.  My brother 
rode with me on part of the trip and we noticed a vibration was back even 
though I had the tires all balanced.   I checked the tire pressure and tried to 
feel around the tires and didn't notice anything.  I made it back to Wichita 
without any problems.   But, Monday I was working and the maintenance guy from 
the building next to mine asked me if I had seen my car.   About 30 minutes 
before I had gone to lunch less than a mile from my office and returned.  It 
was fine then.  Apparently, after getting back from lunch, the tire had enough 
and gave up.  It was totally flat.   I took a picture.  It was bad.  This was 
NOT the one with a gash in it.  But, it did fail on the inside edg

e - clearly the alignment is off.So, now I am getting FOUR new tires and an 
alignment.


Shopping for tires took some real research.  I wanted to get Michelins if I 
could afford them.  I called all around to places in Wichita and no one had 
any.  It is not a weird size, they are 235-60-16.   One shop said they could 
order a set of the Michelin Defender for $925 (with mounting/balancing/taxes 
etc).  But, I finally found them on Tire Rack!   I got the more expensive 
Michelin Premiere for $600 including shipping!   Another shop had quoted me 
over $200 per tire plus mounting and balancing.   Most of the shops were trying 
to sell me Goodyear OR the Potenza.  But, the Potenza was $240 per tire and had 
no mileage warranty.

I hope I decided on the right ones.  The Michelin defender is very popular and 
is ultra long wearing.  Many reviews reported 90,000 miles on them.   But, the 
Premiere A/S has the very best ratings for wet driving situations and still has 
a long 70,000 mile warranty.

A picture of my flat is attached!


Don Snook



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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I thing about $12 per wheel

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> On Aug 17, 2017, at 12:48 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bought grand daughter Defenders for her Honda Accord several years ago and 
> she's still driving on them; no problems.
> 
> How much does Walmart charge for mounting tires? I just paid a local shop $60 
> for mounting and balancing 4 tires. Disposal was included in the price.
> Thanks,
> Gerry
> 
> "Kaleb wrote:
>> Defender is going to be a lower speed rated tire. I know it is only 
>> appropriate on older cars. Should not be used on anything 124 or newer. I 
>> will say I have the premiers on my 97 e300 and they are great tires. Order 
>> from discount tire direct though, should be cheaper than tire rack. If you 
>> don't have your own tire machine and computer balancer like I do them them 
>> them to Walmart to get mounted 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A couple weeks ago I discovered I had a bad tire with a big gash and steel 
>>> belts starting to poke through the tread.  I put the spare on the car and 
>>> had all the tires balanced. I planned to replace the tires sometime this 
>>> month.   In the interim I drove over 2000 miles on a trip to Mississippi.  
>>> My brother rode with me on part of the trip and we noticed a vibration was 
>>> back even though I had the tires all balanced.   I checked the tire 
>>> pressure and tried to feel around the tires and didn't notice anything.  I 
>>> made it back to Wichita without any problems.   But, Monday I was working 
>>> and the maintenance guy from the building next to mine asked me if I had 
>>> seen my car.   About 30 minutes before I had gone to lunch less than a mile 
>>> from my office and returned.  It was fine then.  Apparently, after getting 
>>> back from lunch, the tire had enough and gave up.  It was totally flat.   I 
>>> took a picture.  It was bad.  This was NOT the one with a gash in it.  But, 
>>> it did fail on the inside edg
 e - clearly the alignment is off.So, now I am getting FOUR new tires and 
an alignment.
>>> 
>>> Shopping for tires took some real research.  I wanted to get Michelins if I 
>>> could afford them.  I called all around to places in Wichita and no one had 
>>> any.  It is not a weird size, they are 235-60-16.   One shop said they 
>>> could order a set of the Michelin Defender for $925 (with 
>>> mounting/balancing/taxes etc).  But, I finally found them on Tire Rack!   I 
>>> got the more expensive Michelin Premiere for $600 including shipping!   
>>> Another shop had quoted me over $200 per tire plus mounting and balancing.  
>>>  Most of the shops were trying to sell me Goodyear OR the Potenza.  But, 
>>> the Potenza was $240 per tire and had no mileage warranty.
>>> 
>>> I hope I decided on the right ones.  The Michelin defender is very popular 
>>> and is ultra long wearing.  Many reviews reported 90,000 miles on them.   
>>> But, the Premiere A/S has the very best ratings for wet driving situations 
>>> and still has a long 70,000 mile warranty.
>>> 
>>> A picture of my flat is attached!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don Snook
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

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I bought grand daughter Defenders for her Honda Accord several years ago and 
she's still driving on them; no problems.

How much does Walmart charge for mounting tires? I just paid a local shop $60 
for mounting and balancing 4 tires. Disposal was included in the price.
Thanks,
Gerry

"Kaleb wrote:
> Defender is going to be a lower speed rated tire. I know it is only 
> appropriate on older cars. Should not be used on anything 124 or newer. I 
> will say I have the premiers on my 97 e300 and they are great tires. Order 
> from discount tire direct though, should be cheaper than tire rack. If you 
> don't have your own tire machine and computer balancer like I do them them 
> them to Walmart to get mounted 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > A couple weeks ago I discovered I had a bad tire with a big gash and steel 
> > belts starting to poke through the tread.  I put the spare on the car and 
> > had all the tires balanced. I planned to replace the tires sometime this 
> > month.   In the interim I drove over 2000 miles on a trip to Mississippi.  
> > My brother rode with me on part of the trip and we noticed a vibration was 
> > back even though I had the tires all balanced.   I checked the tire 
> > pressure and tried to feel around the tires and didn't notice anything.  I 
> > made it back to Wichita without any problems.   But, Monday I was working 
> > and the maintenance guy from the building next to mine asked me if I had 
> > seen my car.   About 30 minutes before I had gone to lunch less than a mile 
> > from my office and returned.  It was fine then.  Apparently, after getting 
> > back from lunch, the tire had enough and gave up.  It was totally flat.   I 
> > took a picture.  It was bad.  This was NOT the one with a gash in it.  But, 
> > it did fail on the inside edg
 e - clearly the alignment is off.So, now I am getting FOUR new tires and 
an alignment.
> > 
> > Shopping for tires took some real research.  I wanted to get Michelins if I 
> > could afford them.  I called all around to places in Wichita and no one had 
> > any.  It is not a weird size, they are 235-60-16.   One shop said they 
> > could order a set of the Michelin Defender for $925 (with 
> > mounting/balancing/taxes etc).  But, I finally found them on Tire Rack!   I 
> > got the more expensive Michelin Premiere for $600 including shipping!   
> > Another shop had quoted me over $200 per tire plus mounting and balancing.  
> >  Most of the shops were trying to sell me Goodyear OR the Potenza.  But, 
> > the Potenza was $240 per tire and had no mileage warranty.
> > 
> > I hope I decided on the right ones.  The Michelin defender is very popular 
> > and is ultra long wearing.  Many reviews reported 90,000 miles on them.   
> > But, the Premiere A/S has the very best ratings for wet driving situations 
> > and still has a long 70,000 mile warranty.
> > 
> > A picture of my flat is attached!
> > 
> > 
> > Don Snook
> > 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Wow never seen that, tire rack has always been more expensive after shipping. 

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> On Aug 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Donald Snook <d...@snooklawllc.com> wrote:
> 
> Discount tire was $140 more expensive than Tire Rack even with shipping.  I 
> got the road hazard included and got 10% off the tires.
> 
> Don Snook   
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 1:38 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again
> 
> Defender is going to be a lower speed rated tire. I know it is only 
> appropriate on older cars. Should not be used on anything 124 or newer. I 
> will say I have the premiers on my 97 e300 and they are great tires. Order 
> from discount tire direct though, should be cheaper than tire rack. If you 
> don't have your own tire machine and computer balancer like I do them them 
> them to Walmart to get mounted 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A couple weeks ago I discovered I had a bad tire with a big gash and steel 
>> belts starting to poke through the tread.  I put the spare on the car and 
>> had all the tires balanced. I planned to replace the tires sometime this 
>> month.   In the interim I drove over 2000 miles on a trip to Mississippi.  
>> My brother rode with me on part of the trip and we noticed a vibration was 
>> back even though I had the tires all balanced.   I checked the tire pressure 
>> and tried to feel around the tires and didn't notice anything.  I made it 
>> back to Wichita without any problems.   But, Monday I was working and the 
>> maintenance guy from the building next to mine asked me if I had seen my 
>> car.   About 30 minutes before I had gone to lunch less than a mile from my 
>> office and returned.  It was fine then.  Apparently, after getting back from 
>> lunch, the tire had enough and gave up.  It was totally flat.   I took a 
>> picture.  It was bad.  This was NOT the one with a gash in it.  But, it did 
>> fail on the inside edge
  - clearly the alignment is off.So, now I am getting FOUR new tires and an 
alignment.
>> 
>> Shopping for tires took some real research.  I wanted to get Michelins if I 
>> could afford them.  I called all around to places in Wichita and no one had 
>> any.  It is not a weird size, they are 235-60-16.   One shop said they could 
>> order a set of the Michelin Defender for $925 (with mounting/balancing/taxes 
>> etc).  But, I finally found them on Tire Rack!   I got the more expensive 
>> Michelin Premiere for $600 including shipping!   Another shop had quoted me 
>> over $200 per tire plus mounting and balancing.   Most of the shops were 
>> trying to sell me Goodyear OR the Potenza.  But, the Potenza was $240 per 
>> tire and had no mileage warranty.
>> 
>> I hope I decided on the right ones.  The Michelin defender is very popular 
>> and is ultra long wearing.  Many reviews reported 90,000 miles on them.   
>> But, the Premiere A/S has the very best ratings for wet driving situations 
>> and still has a long 70,000 mile warranty.
>> 
>> A picture of my flat is attached!
>> 
>> 
>> Don Snook
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Discount tire was $140 more expensive than Tire Rack even with shipping.  I got 
the road hazard included and got 10% off the tires.

Don Snook   

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From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 1:38 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

Defender is going to be a lower speed rated tire. I know it is only appropriate 
on older cars. Should not be used on anything 124 or newer. I will say I have 
the premiers on my 97 e300 and they are great tires. Order from discount tire 
direct though, should be cheaper than tire rack. If you don't have your own 
tire machine and computer balancer like I do them them them to Walmart to get 
mounted 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> A couple weeks ago I discovered I had a bad tire with a big gash and steel 
> belts starting to poke through the tread.  I put the spare on the car and had 
> all the tires balanced. I planned to replace the tires sometime this month.   
> In the interim I drove over 2000 miles on a trip to Mississippi.  My brother 
> rode with me on part of the trip and we noticed a vibration was back even 
> though I had the tires all balanced.   I checked the tire pressure and tried 
> to feel around the tires and didn't notice anything.  I made it back to 
> Wichita without any problems.   But, Monday I was working and the maintenance 
> guy from the building next to mine asked me if I had seen my car.   About 30 
> minutes before I had gone to lunch less than a mile from my office and 
> returned.  It was fine then.  Apparently, after getting back from lunch, the 
> tire had enough and gave up.  It was totally flat.   I took a picture.  It 
> was bad.  This was NOT the one with a gash in it.  But, it did fail on the 
> inside edge 
 - clearly the alignment is off.So, now I am getting FOUR new tires and an 
alignment.
> 
> Shopping for tires took some real research.  I wanted to get Michelins if I 
> could afford them.  I called all around to places in Wichita and no one had 
> any.  It is not a weird size, they are 235-60-16.   One shop said they could 
> order a set of the Michelin Defender for $925 (with mounting/balancing/taxes 
> etc).  But, I finally found them on Tire Rack!   I got the more expensive 
> Michelin Premiere for $600 including shipping!   Another shop had quoted me 
> over $200 per tire plus mounting and balancing.   Most of the shops were 
> trying to sell me Goodyear OR the Potenza.  But, the Potenza was $240 per 
> tire and had no mileage warranty.
> 
> I hope I decided on the right ones.  The Michelin defender is very popular 
> and is ultra long wearing.  Many reviews reported 90,000 miles on them.   
> But, the Premiere A/S has the very best ratings for wet driving situations 
> and still has a long 70,000 mile warranty.
> 
> A picture of my flat is attached!
> 
> 
> Don Snook
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Defender is going to be a lower speed rated tire. I know it is only appropriate 
on older cars. Should not be used on anything 124 or newer. I will say I have 
the premiers on my 97 e300 and they are great tires. Order from discount tire 
direct though, should be cheaper than tire rack. If you don't have your own 
tire machine and computer balancer like I do them them them to Walmart to get 
mounted 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A couple weeks ago I discovered I had a bad tire with a big gash and steel 
> belts starting to poke through the tread.  I put the spare on the car and had 
> all the tires balanced. I planned to replace the tires sometime this month.   
> In the interim I drove over 2000 miles on a trip to Mississippi.  My brother 
> rode with me on part of the trip and we noticed a vibration was back even 
> though I had the tires all balanced.   I checked the tire pressure and tried 
> to feel around the tires and didn't notice anything.  I made it back to 
> Wichita without any problems.   But, Monday I was working and the maintenance 
> guy from the building next to mine asked me if I had seen my car.   About 30 
> minutes before I had gone to lunch less than a mile from my office and 
> returned.  It was fine then.  Apparently, after getting back from lunch, the 
> tire had enough and gave up.  It was totally flat.   I took a picture.  It 
> was bad.  This was NOT the one with a gash in it.  But, it did fail on the 
> inside edge 
 - clearly the alignment is off.So, now I am getting FOUR new tires and an 
alignment.
> 
> Shopping for tires took some real research.  I wanted to get Michelins if I 
> could afford them.  I called all around to places in Wichita and no one had 
> any.  It is not a weird size, they are 235-60-16.   One shop said they could 
> order a set of the Michelin Defender for $925 (with mounting/balancing/taxes 
> etc).  But, I finally found them on Tire Rack!   I got the more expensive 
> Michelin Premiere for $600 including shipping!   Another shop had quoted me 
> over $200 per tire plus mounting and balancing.   Most of the shops were 
> trying to sell me Goodyear OR the Potenza.  But, the Potenza was $240 per 
> tire and had no mileage warranty.
> 
> I hope I decided on the right ones.  The Michelin defender is very popular 
> and is ultra long wearing.  Many reviews reported 90,000 miles on them.   
> But, the Premiere A/S has the very best ratings for wet driving situations 
> and still has a long 70,000 mile warranty.
> 
> A picture of my flat is attached!
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I don't think a bad alignment would cause that, but I agree that an
alignment is a good idea when spending that much on tires.  The place I use
provides a before and after print-out, see if you can get that and then
you'll know if the alignment was off.

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Re: [MBZ] Tires Updated again

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Put a set of Premiers on my friend's Sentra last year.
He's happy so far, but he's a migratory fowl so the car has never seen snow. I 
think he had about 425 in a set of narrower 16" after rebate and mounting. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Thanks. It seems like they're adding new brands every day.
Gerry

> Yes, they're doing fine.
> 
> -D
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> > On Jul 25, 2017, at 4:34 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
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> > 
> > On Mon, 23 May 2016 19:07:33 -0400
> > Dan Penoff wrote:
> >> Falken “Ziex” ZE950 tires
> > 
> > Hey Dan,
> > I'm getting ready to buy a set of tires. Back in May of last year you said 
> > the above Falken tires were doing well. Are they still okay?
> > Thanks,
> > Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Yes, they're doing fine.

-D

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 4:34 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 23 May 2016 19:07:33 -0400
> Dan Penoff wrote:
>> Falken “Ziex” ZE950 tires
> 
> Hey Dan,
> I'm getting ready to buy a set of tires. Back in May of last year you said 
> the above Falken tires were doing well. Are they still okay?
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On Mon, 23 May 2016 19:07:33 -0400
Dan Penoff wrote:
> Falken “Ziex” ZE950 tires

Hey Dan,
I'm getting ready to buy a set of tires. Back in May of last year you said the 
above Falken tires were doing well. Are they still okay?
Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I change dino oil at 7500 per the maintenance manual.  I am not 
remembering if the older cars stated a shorter interval, I am 
thinking 5k for some reason.  I usually do the tire rotation at 
the same time also since I have my own computer balancer etc.  I 
am thinking now if I should go with the MB 15k mile interval 
instead.  I admit lately I have not been tracking maintenace 
intervals like I should and suspect I have really been running 
about 10-15k oil change intervals, bad me. I am setting up this 
maintenace program that I used to run years ago that works great 
but after a hard drive crash i lost the program.



On 2/7/2017 6:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I do it every time I change the oil or twice a year which is pretty much the 
same thing. I was sad to find I only put 10,000 miles on my Jetta last year but 
we mostly take Angie's Golf now...
-Curt


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Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:47 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] Tires

I was looking at the maintenance manual for my 97 e300 and it lists tire rotation at 15k miles. That seems high to me, I have always done 6k miles, tire shops say like 5k I believe. What is your guys opinion?


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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I do it every time I change the oil or twice a year which is pretty much the 
same thing. I was sad to find I only put 10,000 miles on my Jetta last year but 
we mostly take Angie's Golf now...
-Curt


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Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:47 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Tires
   
I was looking at the maintenance manual for my 97 e300 and it lists tire 
rotation at 15k miles. That seems high to me, I have always done 6k miles, tire 
shops say like 5k I believe. What is your guys opinion?

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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

I do once a year, or 12-15k miles. I am also good about having alignments
done every 2 years or 3 as needed. I have never had problems but my front
ends are always tight.

Kyle

On Feb 7, 2017 6:47 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was looking at the maintenance manual for my 97 e300 and it lists tire
> rotation at 15k miles. That seems high to me, I have always done 6k miles,
> tire shops say like 5k I believe. What is your guys opinion?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[clay via Mercedes]

I am running them on the W220.  theory was that they would be good for wet 
weather.  I am not happy with the grip, but wear has been ok

clay

On May 23, 2016, at 4:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> How many miles have you put on either? Are they quiet and smooth?
> 
> Anybody tried Nokian?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 23, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Kuho Solus were pretty good. 
>> 
>> I put a set of ‎Falken Sincera tires on a beater. I am truly impressed by 
>> them. Especially the winter traction. I would definitely buy them again. 
>> 
>> Rick 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
>>  Original Message  
>> From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 5:49 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
>> Subject: [MBZ] Tires
>> 
>> I'm looking for tires again and not sure I want to spend the money for 
>> Michelins even though every time i don't I already regret it except for 
>> these Pirelli P7 I have on a car seem good. I'm tempted to try some cheap 
>> tires. Anybody have any cheap tires that they have used that provide smooth 
>> quiet ride that does not slip belts?
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I looked at those, are they they B3 or whatever? They said they were UHP (high 
performance). I just want grand touring 

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> On May 24, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've got Barum (Contis)on the CLK350 and the E300D. So far so good. We will
> see how they do through a 7th level of hell hot summer. Plus, haven't
> driven in rain yet either. They are cheap. Not noisy.
> 
> SWMBO did mention the tire pressure light did come in on her way to work
> this morning and she got it rectified at lunch. We will see.
> 
> Bob R
>> On May 24, 2016 3:38 PM, "Craig via Mercedes"  wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:03:01 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> How many miles have you put on either? Are they quiet and smooth?
>>> 
>>> Anybody tried Nokian?
>> 
>> Yes. I have done well with them. I have had them on our '82 240D/3.0 and
>> our '89 Chevrolet Beauville G-20 van, and maybe something else.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I've got Barum (Contis)on the CLK350 and the E300D. So far so good. We will
see how they do through a 7th level of hell hot summer. Plus, haven't
driven in rain yet either. They are cheap. Not noisy.

SWMBO did mention the tire pressure light did come in on her way to work
this morning and she got it rectified at lunch. We will see.

Bob R
On May 24, 2016 3:38 PM, "Craig via Mercedes"  wrote:

> On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:03:01 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> > How many miles have you put on either? Are they quiet and smooth?
> >
> > Anybody tried Nokian?
>
> Yes. I have done well with them. I have had them on our '82 240D/3.0 and
> our '89 Chevrolet Beauville G-20 van, and maybe something else.
>
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On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:03:01 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> How many miles have you put on either? Are they quiet and smooth?
> 
> Anybody tried Nokian?

Yes. I have done well with them. I have had them on our '82 240D/3.0 and
our '89 Chevrolet Beauville G-20 van, and maybe something else.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Used for the win. You could change them several times per year and still
come out ahead. People switch tires for all manner of silly reasons. Most
shops selling them stand behind them. They recycle the rest into concrete
and basketball and playground surfaces.
On May 24, 2016 2:01 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
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> Once you get over the "ick" factor, it's really a god deal.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > There's quite an industry around here selling used tires on Craigslist.
> > You search by your tire size and get a bunch of returns.
> >
> > To be honest, I have been tempted a couple of times, as I have seen some
> > really nice high end tires with minimal wear going pretty cheap, like
> under
> > $200 for a set of four.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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> > > On May 23, 2016, at 11:51 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hankook. I like toyo a lot also.
> > >
> > > But seriously frugal people run used tires. I did that all through
> > > residency on an 87 Ltd and a 1999 tbird. Got the job done. The guys at
> > the
> > > used tire place in Baltimore used to mock me for writing checks,
> because
> > > the check blanks are so expensive.
> > > On May 23, 2016 3:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'm looking for tires again and not sure I want to spend the money for
> > >> Michelins even though every time i don't I already regret it except
> for
> > >> these Pirelli P7 I have on a car seem good. I'm tempted to try some
> > cheap
> > >> tires. Anybody have any cheap tires that they have used that provide
> > smooth
> > >> quiet ride that does not slip belts?
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Once you get over the "ick" factor, it's really a god deal.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There's quite an industry around here selling used tires on Craigslist.
> You search by your tire size and get a bunch of returns.
>
> To be honest, I have been tempted a couple of times, as I have seen some
> really nice high end tires with minimal wear going pretty cheap, like under
> $200 for a set of four.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On May 23, 2016, at 11:51 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hankook. I like toyo a lot also.
> >
> > But seriously frugal people run used tires. I did that all through
> > residency on an 87 Ltd and a 1999 tbird. Got the job done. The guys at
> the
> > used tire place in Baltimore used to mock me for writing checks, because
> > the check blanks are so expensive.
> > On May 23, 2016 3:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm looking for tires again and not sure I want to spend the money for
> >> Michelins even though every time i don't I already regret it except for
> >> these Pirelli P7 I have on a car seem good. I'm tempted to try some
> cheap
> >> tires. Anybody have any cheap tires that they have used that provide
> smooth
> >> quiet ride that does not slip belts?
> >>
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There's quite an industry around here selling used tires on Craigslist.  You 
search by your tire size and get a bunch of returns.

To be honest, I have been tempted a couple of times, as I have seen some really 
nice high end tires with minimal wear going pretty cheap, like under $200 for a 
set of four.

Dan

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>  wrote:
> 
> Hankook. I like toyo a lot also.
> 
> But seriously frugal people run used tires. I did that all through
> residency on an 87 Ltd and a 1999 tbird. Got the job done. The guys at the
> used tire place in Baltimore used to mock me for writing checks, because
> the check blanks are so expensive.
> On May 23, 2016 3:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm looking for tires again and not sure I want to spend the money for
>> Michelins even though every time i don't I already regret it except for
>> these Pirelli P7 I have on a car seem good. I'm tempted to try some cheap
>> tires. Anybody have any cheap tires that they have used that provide smooth
>> quiet ride that does not slip belts?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Many hundreds.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Well they don't have go form in the size I need for my 210. How many miles
> have you out on them now?
>
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> > On May 24, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Nokian?  I only roll on GO FORM or KUMHO SENSE
> >
> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Uh follow the shiny ball
> >>
> >>
> >> What brand, Jon?
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Some of the best snow tires I have EVER owned.  I did not have the
>  studded
>  tires, and I got 55,000 miles out of them.
> 
> 
> >> On May 24, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Anybody tried Nokian?
> >
> > Love love LOVE their studded Hakkapeliitta snow tires.  :-)
> 
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well they don't have go form in the size I need for my 210. How many miles have 
you out on them now?

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> On May 24, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nokian?  I only roll on GO FORM or KUMHO SENSE
> 
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Uh follow the shiny ball
>> 
>> 
>> What brand, Jon?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some of the best snow tires I have EVER owned.  I did not have the
 studded
 tires, and I got 55,000 miles out of them.
 
 
>> On May 24, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Anybody tried Nokian?
> 
> Love love LOVE their studded Hakkapeliitta snow tires.  :-)
 
> -- Jim
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Nokian?  I only roll on GO FORM or KUMHO SENSE

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Uh follow the shiny ball
>
>
> What brand, Jon?
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Some of the best snow tires I have EVER owned.  I did not have the
>>> studded
>>>  tires, and I got 55,000 miles out of them.
>>>
>>>
>>>  > On May 24, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>  >
>>>  >> Anybody tried Nokian?
>>>  >
>>>  > Love love LOVE their studded Hakkapeliitta snow tires.  :-)
>>>  >
>>>
>>  > > -- Jim
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Uh follow the shiny ball



What brand, Jon?

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


 Some of the best snow tires I have EVER owned.  I did not have the studded
 tires, and I got 55,000 miles out of them.


 > On May 24, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 >
 >> Anybody tried Nokian?
 >
 > Love love LOVE their studded Hakkapeliitta snow tires.  :-)
 >

 > > -- Jim



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