Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
Tony, Thanks for your thoughtful e-mail. It is a major boost of confidence to know that this can be done "DIY". I'm putting a copy of your e-mail with the rebuild manual so I remember your suggestions and caveats. In addition to the factory manual and the ATSG (Automatic Transmission Service Group) manual, I received today a copy of "Mercedes 722.3/722.4" by Greg Catanzaro. It is really excellent and in easy to read language. BTW, did you replace your brake bands? I haven't had the chance to research this yet, but I have already seen conflicting advice of 1) ALWAYS replace the bands 2) Only replace if worn out as the replacement bands are nowhere near as good as the originals. Thanks! Chris '85 300SD 241K mi/'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon/'75 240D/'80 300SD/'83 240D/'84 300Dt/'82 300SD/'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)/'87 190E 2.3 (parting out) --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Tony Wirtel wrote: > From: Tony Wirtel > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 10:37 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory > PDF" > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > Message-ID: > <432920.83209...@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > I've got almost all that already. There is a very > nice spring compressor > > that you can buy which looks really handy. > > > > Yes, the 722.4 and .3 are very similar. They are > covered in the same ASTG > > rebuild manual that I bought... > > > http://www.atsg.biz/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?search=action&category=EIMP&keywords=all&pricecode=&passsubnum= > > > > So, you obviously rebuilt a 722.4 - did you have any > trans rebuilding > > experience before you did it? Did you use a manual to > guide you through? If > > so, which one? > > > > It's amazing that the clutch disks last as long as > they do. Now that I have > > a bit of a clue how the automatic trans works, > I've changed my view on them > > a bit. They don't really "break at 200,000 > miles" the wear pieces just wear > > out. Of course, the hard parts can break, but that is > not usually the case, > > it seems. > > > > Chris- > > This was my first. I'd gone through the service > literature a few times and > found it most helpful. Other than that it was basic follow > the directions, > document anything special, bag parts/assemblies from like > areas and document > where those were (writing notes in the directions)- pretty > basic stuff. > Get lots of little containers to sequester parts. Use a > digital camera to > take lots of pictures through the teardown. > > In my case I use the top of a folding table covered with > three layers of > plastic. My only wish is that the table had a lip to > contain the fluid you > WILL lose- no matter what you do you'll still have ~ a > half quart inside the > box. You'll need lots of rags, preferably lint-free > ones. I got away with > paper towels, but cleaned the inside of the case with rags > and pieces with > rags (not paper towels) on reassembly. I found and used a > tub of > transmission assembly lube, which being quite viscous was > quite useful in > certain areas where o-rings etc might have wanted to move > about a bit. Also > VERY useful when mating the valve body back into the box. > Other than > dropping the whole valve body (keep track of which bolts go > where) I didn't > do any further disassembly; figured 1) it didn't have > issues before; 2) > there are a whole MESS of parts, balls, pins, springs etc > to cause grief > given half a chance and 3) if there was a problem, I can > quite easily get > the body back out. > > I deliberately did the transmission on a weekend the > family was out of town > for a weekend so I could focus, concntrate and take my > time. But overall it > was straightforward. If you've tackled something like > ball joints where you > need to assemble plumbing fittings to press in the joint, > you've got a good > head start on the kinds of things you'll need to get > creative on. > > While I'd always love an excuse for more tools, most of > the special tools > for the transmission would not be terribly useful > otherwise. > > I really was amazed at how little wear there was. Even on > the B3 brake > assembly, at least two of the friction discs still had > visible imprinted ink > on them. Only two were significantly
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <432920.83209...@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I've got almost all that already. There is a very nice spring compressor > that you can buy which looks really handy. > > Yes, the 722.4 and .3 are very similar. They are covered in the same ASTG > rebuild manual that I bought... > http://www.atsg.biz/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?search=action&category=EIMP&keywords=all&pricecode=&passsubnum= > > So, you obviously rebuilt a 722.4 - did you have any trans rebuilding > experience before you did it? Did you use a manual to guide you through? If > so, which one? > > It's amazing that the clutch disks last as long as they do. Now that I have > a bit of a clue how the automatic trans works, I've changed my view on them > a bit. They don't really "break at 200,000 miles" the wear pieces just wear > out. Of course, the hard parts can break, but that is not usually the case, > it seems. > Chris- This was my first. I'd gone through the service literature a few times and found it most helpful. Other than that it was basic follow the directions, document anything special, bag parts/assemblies from like areas and document where those were (writing notes in the directions)- pretty basic stuff. Get lots of little containers to sequester parts. Use a digital camera to take lots of pictures through the teardown. In my case I use the top of a folding table covered with three layers of plastic. My only wish is that the table had a lip to contain the fluid you WILL lose- no matter what you do you'll still have ~ a half quart inside the box. You'll need lots of rags, preferably lint-free ones. I got away with paper towels, but cleaned the inside of the case with rags and pieces with rags (not paper towels) on reassembly. I found and used a tub of transmission assembly lube, which being quite viscous was quite useful in certain areas where o-rings etc might have wanted to move about a bit. Also VERY useful when mating the valve body back into the box. Other than dropping the whole valve body (keep track of which bolts go where) I didn't do any further disassembly; figured 1) it didn't have issues before; 2) there are a whole MESS of parts, balls, pins, springs etc to cause grief given half a chance and 3) if there was a problem, I can quite easily get the body back out. I deliberately did the transmission on a weekend the family was out of town for a weekend so I could focus, concntrate and take my time. But overall it was straightforward. If you've tackled something like ball joints where you need to assemble plumbing fittings to press in the joint, you've got a good head start on the kinds of things you'll need to get creative on. While I'd always love an excuse for more tools, most of the special tools for the transmission would not be terribly useful otherwise. I really was amazed at how little wear there was. Even on the B3 brake assembly, at least two of the friction discs still had visible imprinted ink on them. Only two were significantly worn. After everything is back in you'll need to dial in the modulator; there is a MB gauge set for this but you can also use a banjo bolt used on some M103 thermostat housings as a purge fitting; this fitting, some 1/4" PVC (nprmally rated to 50 PSI, right around where you need to be) and an accurate gauge will help you dial in the pressures. Tony WIrtel -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090116/1985af5d/attachment.html> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
It seems than at Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:03:33 -0800 (PST), Christopher wrote: > He did. I guess it's a low-res scan...do PDFs of images work > that way? PDF has no native way to deal with images. It typically uses jpeg. And often the default when creating the PDF is a rather low-resolution, low-quality jpg suitable for screen viewing. (72 dpi and about "70" quality setting). With ghostscript to do the PDF creating, there are options for the "target". In linux, I use the commandline "ps2pdf". $ ps2pdf -dPDFSETTINGS=/prepress in.ps out.pdf Choices - in ascending quality and size are: · screen · ebook · default · printer · prepress PDF is a poor choice if it's just a scanned image anyway. Better to just distribute the image! Anyway, PDFs don't have to have crummy images - they just usually do! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
cool, great site. Christopher McCann wrote: http://www.drivetrain.com/mercedes_dt.htm yes, there is. LInk above has 21 steps to sucessful tranny rebuild. Gives a general overview of what a rebuild is...including the part below that on the torque converter. CM --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: From: Kaleb C. Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 6:00 PM You know there is more to it that replacing the clutches, the valve body will also need some attention most likely at this point. Christopher McCann wrote: I've got almost all that already. There is a very nice spring compressor that you can buy which looks really handy. Yes, the 722.4 and .3 are very similar. They are covered in the same ASTG rebuild manual that I bought... http://www.atsg.biz/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?search=action&category=EIMP&keywords=all&pricecode=&passsubnum= So, you obviously rebuilt a 722.4 - did you have any trans rebuilding experience before you did it? Did you use a manual to guide you through? If so, which one? It's amazing that the clutch disks last as long as they do. Now that I have a bit of a clue how the automatic trans works, I've changed my view on them a bit. They don't really "break at 200,000 miles" the wear pieces just wear out. Of course, the hard parts can break, but that is not usually the case, it seems. '85 300SD 241K mi/'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon/'75 240D/'80 300SD/'83 240D/'84 300Dt/'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)/'87 190E 2.3 (parting out) -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1897 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 6:52 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
http://www.drivetrain.com/mercedes_dt.htm yes, there is. LInk above has 21 steps to sucessful tranny rebuild. Gives a general overview of what a rebuild is...including the part below that on the torque converter. CM --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > From: Kaleb C. Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 6:00 PM > You know there is more to it that replacing the clutches, > the valve body will also need some attention most likely at > this point. > > Christopher McCann wrote: > > I've got almost all that already. There is a very > nice spring compressor that you can buy which looks really > handy. > > > > Yes, the 722.4 and .3 are very similar. They are > covered in the same ASTG rebuild manual that I bought... > http://www.atsg.biz/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?search=action&category=EIMP&keywords=all&pricecode=&passsubnum= > > > > So, you obviously rebuilt a 722.4 - did you have any > trans rebuilding experience before you did it? Did you use a > manual to guide you through? If so, which one? > > > > It's amazing that the clutch disks last as long as > they do. Now that I have a bit of a clue how the automatic > trans works, I've changed my view on them a bit. They > don't really "break at 200,000 miles" the wear > pieces just wear out. Of course, the hard parts can break, > but that is not usually the case, it seems. > > > > > > > > '85 300SD 241K mi/'92 Dodge B-350 Ram > Wagon/'75 240D/'80 300SD/'83 240D/'84 > 300Dt/'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)/'87 190E 2.3 > (parting out) > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, > 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D > x2, > 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
You know there is more to it that replacing the clutches, the valve body will also need some attention most likely at this point. Christopher McCann wrote: I've got almost all that already. There is a very nice spring compressor that you can buy which looks really handy. Yes, the 722.4 and .3 are very similar. They are covered in the same ASTG rebuild manual that I bought... http://www.atsg.biz/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?search=action&category=EIMP&keywords=all&pricecode=&passsubnum= So, you obviously rebuilt a 722.4 - did you have any trans rebuilding experience before you did it? Did you use a manual to guide you through? If so, which one? It's amazing that the clutch disks last as long as they do. Now that I have a bit of a clue how the automatic trans works, I've changed my view on them a bit. They don't really "break at 200,000 miles" the wear pieces just wear out. Of course, the hard parts can break, but that is not usually the case, it seems. '85 300SD 241K mi/'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon/'75 240D/'80 300SD/'83 240D/'84 300Dt/'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)/'87 190E 2.3 (parting out) -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
I've got almost all that already. There is a very nice spring compressor that you can buy which looks really handy. Yes, the 722.4 and .3 are very similar. They are covered in the same ASTG rebuild manual that I bought... http://www.atsg.biz/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?search=action&category=EIMP&keywords=all&pricecode=&passsubnum= So, you obviously rebuilt a 722.4 - did you have any trans rebuilding experience before you did it? Did you use a manual to guide you through? If so, which one? It's amazing that the clutch disks last as long as they do. Now that I have a bit of a clue how the automatic trans works, I've changed my view on them a bit. They don't really "break at 200,000 miles" the wear pieces just wear out. Of course, the hard parts can break, but that is not usually the case, it seems. '85 300SD 241K mi/'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon/'75 240D/'80 300SD/'83 240D/'84 300Dt/'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)/'87 190E 2.3 (parting out) --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Tony Wirtel wrote: > From: Tony Wirtel > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 12:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory > PDF" > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > Message-ID: <4970b9a7.2060...@striplin.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > dont forget all the special tools you will need > > > > > Not sure how many special tools you'll need- the only > one I can remember is > a 3/4" drive 1 3/16 socket (12 point) that worked > quite nicely on the output > shaft nut. Already had that, thanks to my Dad who used to > use it on olde > Beetle rear hubs. Was the first time I'd used that, > though! > > You will need an assortment of internal/external ring > pliers and an > assortment of pics (think dental instruments). Used some > pipe fittings to > compress the ~ 16 springs that are part of the front pump. > While this was > all on a 722.4xx box I don't think the .3xx is much > different, other than in > how the governor locking mechanism works- a rotating paw in > the .3xx, an > internal clip on the .4xx > > There are special tools to establish proper gaps in each of > the clutch > packs. The new friction discs are a set thickness but you > set the exact gap > by replacing the steels- these are available in variable > thicknesses. On > mine the B3 discs (reverse) were the most worn. In that > set there was > perceptable wear in the steels- of the total increase in > gap of the whole > set about 15% was due to wear of the steels. But since > there was no > excessive discoloration of the steel I reused them. My > thought was that OK > this time the tranny may only go another 200k instead of > the 300k it went > the first time. And there was a differance- reverse took > about a half > second to engage instead of being nearly instantaneous. > But given that it > USED to take 3-5 seconds I was OK with that! > > Tony Wirtel > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090116/fe556c75/attachment.html> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <4970b9a7.2060...@striplin.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > dont forget all the special tools you will need > > Not sure how many special tools you'll need- the only one I can remember is a 3/4" drive 1 3/16 socket (12 point) that worked quite nicely on the output shaft nut. Already had that, thanks to my Dad who used to use it on olde Beetle rear hubs. Was the first time I'd used that, though! You will need an assortment of internal/external ring pliers and an assortment of pics (think dental instruments). Used some pipe fittings to compress the ~ 16 springs that are part of the front pump. While this was all on a 722.4xx box I don't think the .3xx is much different, other than in how the governor locking mechanism works- a rotating paw in the .3xx, an internal clip on the .4xx There are special tools to establish proper gaps in each of the clutch packs. The new friction discs are a set thickness but you set the exact gap by replacing the steels- these are available in variable thicknesses. On mine the B3 discs (reverse) were the most worn. In that set there was perceptable wear in the steels- of the total increase in gap of the whole set about 15% was due to wear of the steels. But since there was no excessive discoloration of the steel I reused them. My thought was that OK this time the tranny may only go another 200k instead of the 300k it went the first time. And there was a differance- reverse took about a half second to engage instead of being nearly instantaneous. But given that it USED to take 3-5 seconds I was OK with that! Tony Wirtel -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090116/fe556c75/attachment.html> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
I think I missed it...didn't find it in my Trash either. Can you repost it? --- On Fri, 1/16/09, harry watkins wrote: > From: harry watkins > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 10:44 AM > Chris > > What do you think about Dave Walton's suggestion on > this thread? What about > it Donald? > > Harry > > - Original Message - > From: "Christopher McCann" > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory > PDF" > > > > Harry, > > > > That would be great!. Please send to: > > > > Christopher McCann > > 3535 Forest Ave. > > Kansas City, MO 64109 > > > > I'll be happy to send you parts you might need in > exchange...or pay for it > > if you want. Parts list here: > > http://kansascity.craigslist.org/pts/994727654.html > plus a bunch of other > > stuff. Let me know what you need...parts, money, > first-born son... > > > > Gratefully, Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, harry watkins > wrote: > > > >> From: harry watkins > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair > "factory PDF" > >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > >> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 10:04 AM > >> Chris > >> > >> I purchased a video (VHS) "Transmission > Rebuild, > >> Mercedes 722.315 Auto, by D.T. Charnews, 2004. > >> > >> Its yours (free) if you want it. The guy looks > like he is > >> working in his basement and films bits and pieces > as he goes > >> through the rebuild. It would have been real > helpful to me, > >> but of course I have to be led around by the hand > on most > >> things. > >> > >> Maybe someone else can chime in, I'm sure my > lead for > >> buying it came from one of these lists. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Harry > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >> To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
He did. I guess it's a low-res scan...do PDFs of images work that way? --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Mitch Haley wrote: > From: Mitch Haley > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 10:58 AM > I think HitMan said his version was 7MB. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
He's 1 and not too helpful right now. :-) Look forward to the video. Let me know if you need anything. Chris --- On Fri, 1/16/09, harry watkins wrote: > From: harry watkins > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 10:37 AM > How old is the boy? Can he operate equipment? Does he eat > much? Hmmm. > > I'll get it the mail today, the good deal I got on the > parts I bought > earlier will make us even. > > Thanks > Harry > > > - Original Message - > From: "Christopher McCann" > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory > PDF" > > > > Harry, > > > > That would be great!. Please send to: > > > > Christopher McCann > > 3535 Forest Ave. > > Kansas City, MO 64109 > > > > I'll be happy to send you parts you might need in > exchange...or pay for it > > if you want. Parts list here: > > http://kansascity.craigslist.org/pts/994727654.html > plus a bunch of other > > stuff. Let me know what you need...parts, money, > first-born son... > > > > Gratefully, Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, harry watkins > wrote: > > > >> From: harry watkins > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair > "factory PDF" > >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > >> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 10:04 AM > >> Chris > >> > >> I purchased a video (VHS) "Transmission > Rebuild, > >> Mercedes 722.315 Auto, by D.T. Charnews, 2004. > >> > >> Its yours (free) if you want it. The guy looks > like he is > >> working in his basement and films bits and pieces > as he goes > >> through the rebuild. It would have been real > helpful to me, > >> but of course I have to be led around by the hand > on most > >> things. > >> > >> Maybe someone else can chime in, I'm sure my > lead for > >> buying it came from one of these lists. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Harry > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >> To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
I think HitMan said his version was 7MB. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
I'm holding off on the tools till I figure out exactly what I need. Baum tools has a Mercedes Transmission tools section in their catalog. Seems like most are for 722.6+ transmissions. Then there are some simple tools that are useful with any trans (various pics, etc). Will have my Bavarian friend Paul price all the MB trans tools I need. Might be cheaper to buy them in Germany and ship them here than buy them from an importer...should probably check ebay.de for Getriebe Werkzeug Mercedes - transmission tool Mercedes. Need to get tranny lube gel too - parts installation lubricant. Chris --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > From: Kaleb C. Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 10:45 AM > dont forget all the special tools you will need > > Christopher McCann wrote: > > Between this video and another I ordered and the > manuals - factory and ATSG and another one - I think > learning this is not impossible...even if I have to attempt > it several times. > > > > Looked on CL in KC today for a trans tech advertising > on the side - I found one that looks good. I am going to > call him and see if he'd take a couple days to walk me > through this...basically give me and Charlie a 722.3 tranny > rebuild course over a couple days. It's gonna cost > (unless he wants to swap for the $350 SD), but it will be > worth it. > > > > Need to post some pics of that. Need to rearrange my > garage into trans shop mode too. No room right now. > > > > BTW, I am looking for a used transmission > table/transmission workbench. Search ebay if you don't > know what that is. If anyone has one for sale or sees one > for sale, let me know. I could make one - the new ones are > too small. > > > > Chris > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, > 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D > x2, > 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
dont forget all the special tools you will need Christopher McCann wrote: Between this video and another I ordered and the manuals - factory and ATSG and another one - I think learning this is not impossible...even if I have to attempt it several times. Looked on CL in KC today for a trans tech advertising on the side - I found one that looks good. I am going to call him and see if he'd take a couple days to walk me through this...basically give me and Charlie a 722.3 tranny rebuild course over a couple days. It's gonna cost (unless he wants to swap for the $350 SD), but it will be worth it. Need to post some pics of that. Need to rearrange my garage into trans shop mode too. No room right now. BTW, I am looking for a used transmission table/transmission workbench. Search ebay if you don't know what that is. If anyone has one for sale or sees one for sale, let me know. I could make one - the new ones are too small. Chris -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
Chris What do you think about Dave Walton's suggestion on this thread? What about it Donald? Harry - Original Message - From: "Christopher McCann" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" Harry, That would be great!. Please send to: Christopher McCann 3535 Forest Ave. Kansas City, MO 64109 I'll be happy to send you parts you might need in exchange...or pay for it if you want. Parts list here: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/pts/994727654.html plus a bunch of other stuff. Let me know what you need...parts, money, first-born son... Gratefully, Chris --- On Fri, 1/16/09, harry watkins wrote: From: harry watkins Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 10:04 AM Chris I purchased a video (VHS) "Transmission Rebuild, Mercedes 722.315 Auto, by D.T. Charnews, 2004. Its yours (free) if you want it. The guy looks like he is working in his basement and films bits and pieces as he goes through the rebuild. It would have been real helpful to me, but of course I have to be led around by the hand on most things. Maybe someone else can chime in, I'm sure my lead for buying it came from one of these lists. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
How old is the boy? Can he operate equipment? Does he eat much? Hmmm. I'll get it the mail today, the good deal I got on the parts I bought earlier will make us even. Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: "Christopher McCann" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" Harry, That would be great!. Please send to: Christopher McCann 3535 Forest Ave. Kansas City, MO 64109 I'll be happy to send you parts you might need in exchange...or pay for it if you want. Parts list here: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/pts/994727654.html plus a bunch of other stuff. Let me know what you need...parts, money, first-born son... Gratefully, Chris --- On Fri, 1/16/09, harry watkins wrote: From: harry watkins Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 10:04 AM Chris I purchased a video (VHS) "Transmission Rebuild, Mercedes 722.315 Auto, by D.T. Charnews, 2004. Its yours (free) if you want it. The guy looks like he is working in his basement and films bits and pieces as he goes through the rebuild. It would have been real helpful to me, but of course I have to be led around by the hand on most things. Maybe someone else can chime in, I'm sure my lead for buying it came from one of these lists. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
Between this video and another I ordered and the manuals - factory and ATSG and another one - I think learning this is not impossible...even if I have to attempt it several times. Looked on CL in KC today for a trans tech advertising on the side - I found one that looks good. I am going to call him and see if he'd take a couple days to walk me through this...basically give me and Charlie a 722.3 tranny rebuild course over a couple days. It's gonna cost (unless he wants to swap for the $350 SD), but it will be worth it. Need to post some pics of that. Need to rearrange my garage into trans shop mode too. No room right now. BTW, I am looking for a used transmission table/transmission workbench. Search ebay if you don't know what that is. If anyone has one for sale or sees one for sale, let me know. I could make one - the new ones are too small. Chris --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > From: Kaleb C. Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 10:23 AM > I watched about half if it, its for sure amature hour but at > least it lets you see sort of what one of them looks like > apart. > > harry watkins wrote: > > Chris > > > > I purchased a video (VHS) "Transmission Rebuild, > Mercedes 722.315 Auto, by D.T. Charnews, 2004. > > > > Its yours (free) if you want it. The guy looks like > he is working in his basement and films bits and pieces as > he goes through the rebuild. It would have been real > helpful to me, but of course I have to be led around by the > hand on most things. > > > > Maybe someone else can chime in, I'm sure my lead > for buying it came from one of these lists. > > > > Thanks > > Harry > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / > Virus Database: 270.10.8/1897 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 6:52 > AM > > > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, > 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D > x2, > 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
I watched about half if it, its for sure amature hour but at least it lets you see sort of what one of them looks like apart. harry watkins wrote: Chris I purchased a video (VHS) "Transmission Rebuild, Mercedes 722.315 Auto, by D.T. Charnews, 2004. Its yours (free) if you want it. The guy looks like he is working in his basement and films bits and pieces as he goes through the rebuild. It would have been real helpful to me, but of course I have to be led around by the hand on most things. Maybe someone else can chime in, I'm sure my lead for buying it came from one of these lists. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1897 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 6:52 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
Harry, That would be great!. Please send to: Christopher McCann 3535 Forest Ave. Kansas City, MO 64109 I'll be happy to send you parts you might need in exchange...or pay for it if you want. Parts list here: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/pts/994727654.html plus a bunch of other stuff. Let me know what you need...parts, money, first-born son... Gratefully, Chris --- On Fri, 1/16/09, harry watkins wrote: > From: harry watkins > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 10:04 AM > Chris > > I purchased a video (VHS) "Transmission Rebuild, > Mercedes 722.315 Auto, by D.T. Charnews, 2004. > > Its yours (free) if you want it. The guy looks like he is > working in his basement and films bits and pieces as he goes > through the rebuild. It would have been real helpful to me, > but of course I have to be led around by the hand on most > things. > > Maybe someone else can chime in, I'm sure my lead for > buying it came from one of these lists. > > Thanks > Harry > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
Awesome! Thanks. Now I don't need to join the Schuman list. I thought he might be a little strange because of his avatar...not much Benz content there! (Plenty of content, just not Benz content!) Thanks again, John Chris --- On Fri, 1/16/09, John Robbins wrote: > From: John Robbins > Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:48 AM > Christopher McCann wrote: > > If you go to the page above and read the second post, > you'll see that > > "Hit Man X" says he has the trans repair > "factory PDF." Anyone know > > what he is talking about? Is that something in the > service manual or > > is there more detailed info somewhere else? And, does > anybody have > > the document he's talking about? I joined the > forum so I can try to > > contact him, but I haven't been approved yet. > > I've got it... It's a 100mb PDF. I don't > remember exactly what is in it, but I just copied it to my > webserver (yay SSH!). Don't plan on it being speedy > since you'll get a max of 30kb/s. > > http://starquake.ath.cx/mercedes/ > > Be forewarned, one of the head honchos (boneheadeddoctor) > is crazy. I was banned for pointing out a copyright > violation he made... At the same time he also banned 3 or 4 > of the most active posters on the forum. > > John > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
Chris I purchased a video (VHS) "Transmission Rebuild, Mercedes 722.315 Auto, by D.T. Charnews, 2004. Its yours (free) if you want it. The guy looks like he is working in his basement and films bits and pieces as he goes through the rebuild. It would have been real helpful to me, but of course I have to be led around by the hand on most things. Maybe someone else can chime in, I'm sure my lead for buying it came from one of these lists. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
John Robbins wrote: Be forewarned, one of the head honchos (boneheadeddoctor) is crazy. I was banned for pointing out a copyright violation he made... At the same time he also banned 3 or 4 of the most active posters on the forum. When I logged in to get Hit Man X's contact info for Chris, it told me the last time I logged in was in April. I wasn't involved in the banning, I just quit going there when things got ridiculous. Kind of like Stu Hitler's email list, except I was never a member there, so I didn't get to quit. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission repair "factory PDF"
Christopher McCann wrote: If you go to the page above and read the second post, you'll see that "Hit Man X" says he has the trans repair "factory PDF." Anyone know what he is talking about? Is that something in the service manual or is there more detailed info somewhere else? And, does anybody have the document he's talking about? I joined the forum so I can try to contact him, but I haven't been approved yet. I've got it... It's a 100mb PDF. I don't remember exactly what is in it, but I just copied it to my webserver (yay SSH!). Don't plan on it being speedy since you'll get a max of 30kb/s. http://starquake.ath.cx/mercedes/ Be forewarned, one of the head honchos (boneheadeddoctor) is crazy. I was banned for pointing out a copyright violation he made... At the same time he also banned 3 or 4 of the most active posters on the forum. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
