Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Some government jobs, both federal and local, seem to be a form of 
unememployment insurance that only requires the person to show up every day. If 
they sat at their computers and did as little as possible it would be better 
than just giving them money, but some think that if they don't "do something", 
they could lose their job. The result is laws and regulations that sometimes 
work a hardship on people. Following is a good illustration of this problem:


"Doctors, hospitals and insurers are bracing for possible disruptions on Oct. 1 
when the U.S. health-care system switches to a massive new set of codes for 
describing illnesses and injuries.

Under the new system, cardiologists will have not one but 845 codes for 
angioplasty. Dermatologists will need to specify which of eight kinds of acne a 
patient has. Gastroenterologists who don’t know what’s causing a patient’s 
stomachache will be asked to specify where the pain is and what other symptoms 
are present—gas? eructation (belching)?—since there is a separate code for each.

In all, the number of diagnostic codes doctors must use to get paid is 
expanding from 14,000 to 70,000 in the latest version of the International 
Classification of Diseases, or ICD-10. A separate set of ICD-10 procedure codes 
for hospitals is also expanding, from 4,000 to 72,000.

Hospitals and physician practices have spent billions of dollars on training 
programs, boot camps, apps, flashcards and practice drills to prepare for the 
conversion, which has been postponed three times since the original date in 
2011.

Some coding experts warn that claims denials could double as providers and 
payers get used to the new, more specific codes.snip

http://www.wsj.com/articles/70-000-ways-to-classify-ailments-1443397601

.
Since this thing just went into operation yesterday, its best to keep copies of 
all medical paperwork until the health profession gets it sorted out; if it 
ever does.

Sadly, voting for this or that politician or political party that promises to 
"make government smaller" has never seemed to work.
Gerry 

.

Curly wrote:
> It is hard to see anything (CARB) when your head in in a hole between 
> your gluteus maximi
> Asking goober in goobermnt to make logical decisions is counter to the 
> kulture.
 
> >Good points! 
> >Max Dillon

> >On October 1, 2015 2:14:11 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> >>The other part of this I think the greenie weenies at CARB miss is that
> >>by using more fuel we require more fuel trucks and refining capacity
> >>both of which produce more greenhouse gasses. Diesels could cut the
> >>US's use of foreign oil if they were allowed to exist without overly
> >>stringent emissions requirements.
> >  >-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Need a picture of the dog on the sign.
My dog is a Bichon and I doubt he would cause much fear in most folks.
Now, if he were a doberman or ???

RB

On 01/10/2015 6:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I wonder if a sign "Warning, dog humps newcomers" would keep people out or 
bring them in?
-Curt

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  To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

Both, preferably together . . .

We keep intruders out with a sign posted that says "Warning, ugly, old, fat nudists 
live here, enter at your own risk".


On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Oh man, we gotta have a pic of that.
The gun or the Jeep, I don't care which...
-Curt
   









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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm also wondering how the "fix" will affect MPG.  A work colleague has a
VW diesel, and the rumor mill says the "fix" will cause fuel consumption to
increase dramatically, so he plans to avoid the fix and stay away from the
dealer all together.  Car does not have the DEF/DPF injection tank or
system, and he thinks the "fix" requires that to be installed.  I wouldn't
be surprised if EPA mandates that if a car which needs the fix comes to the
dealer for any service, the fix is required by law to be performed,
regardless of car owner desire.

In reading some of the Bosch fuel injection pump training literature on
Dave M's site, there is a trade-off of injection timing between fuel
consumption and NOX emissions, so if the fix changes the injection timing
and increases the amount of exhaust fed back in via the EGR, I can see that
impacting fuel consumption and engine power, but I don't know enough about
how the DEF/DPF system works to see what that does.  I was under the
impression DEF/DPF was simply injected into the exhaust stream ahead of one
of the catalysts to reduce the NOX.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:22 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> How does injecting DEF in the exhaust effect mileage? The effort to do the
> injection? IIRC, I get the same mileage as you in the 2012 Passat.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I fixed it.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is the first email I have received from okiebenz in 4 days. THought
> the list was broken, maybe it was/is?
>
> --R
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

This is the first email I have received from okiebenz in 4 days. THought 
the list was broken, maybe it was/is?


--R



On 10/1/15 9:11 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I'm also wondering how the "fix" will affect MPG.  A work colleague has a
VW diesel, and the rumor mill says the "fix" will cause fuel consumption to
increase dramatically, so he plans to avoid the fix and stay away from the
dealer all together.  Car does not have the DEF/DPF injection tank or
system, and he thinks the "fix" requires that to be installed.  I wouldn't
be surprised if EPA mandates that if a car which needs the fix comes to the
dealer for any service, the fix is required by law to be performed,
regardless of car owner desire.

In reading some of the Bosch fuel injection pump training literature on
Dave M's site, there is a trade-off of injection timing between fuel
consumption and NOX emissions, so if the fix changes the injection timing
and increases the amount of exhaust fed back in via the EGR, I can see that
impacting fuel consumption and engine power, but I don't know enough about
how the DEF/DPF system works to see what that does.  I was under the
impression DEF/DPF was simply injected into the exhaust stream ahead of one
of the catalysts to reduce the NOX.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:22 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:


How does injecting DEF in the exhaust effect mileage? The effort to do the
injection? IIRC, I get the same mileage as you in the 2012 Passat.



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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

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Got both of yours immediately on iPad

Wilt

 Rich Thomas via Mercedes  wrote: 
> Well I'm getting yours anyway but no others.  Maybe the tubes only work 
> as far as Mt P
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 10/1/15 9:31 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > I fixed it.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This is the first email I have received from okiebenz in 4 days. THought
> >> the list was broken, maybe it was/is?
> >>
> >> --R
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

This is the first email I have received from okiebenz in 4 days. 
THought the list was broken, maybe it was/is?


--R



On 10/1/15 9:11 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I'm also wondering how the "fix" will affect MPG.



The list has been working.   You were suspended for 4 days for 
plotting to dismsmber a poor old SD.


I have been receiving mail steadily, although sometimes in spurts and droughts.

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[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Well I'm getting yours anyway but no others.  Maybe the tubes only work 
as far as Mt P


--R


On 10/1/15 9:31 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I fixed it.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


This is the first email I have received from okiebenz in 4 days. THought
the list was broken, maybe it was/is?

--R




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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[G Mann via Mercedes]

A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.

By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and heat
footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair share".

More forests will be cut down to produce paper for the multitude of copies
of the regulations, which will deplete wildlife habitat and thus cause more
employment for federal regulators.

Am I following the logic points here yet?

Ooops.. I left out, greater control over what you do as a person by larger
and more powerful government with more agency power..

Fundamental Change didn't that happen during the French Revolution?
Yeah.. I'm pretty sure it did.. but.. "let them eat cake, what difference
does it make now"... :)))

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm also wondering how the "fix" will affect MPG.  A work colleague has a
> VW diesel, and the rumor mill says the "fix" will cause fuel consumption to
> increase dramatically, so he plans to avoid the fix and stay away from the
> dealer all together.  Car does not have the DEF/DPF injection tank or
> system, and he thinks the "fix" requires that to be installed.  I wouldn't
> be surprised if EPA mandates that if a car which needs the fix comes to the
> dealer for any service, the fix is required by law to be performed,
> regardless of car owner desire.
>
> In reading some of the Bosch fuel injection pump training literature on
> Dave M's site, there is a trade-off of injection timing between fuel
> consumption and NOX emissions, so if the fix changes the injection timing
> and increases the amount of exhaust fed back in via the EGR, I can see that
> impacting fuel consumption and engine power, but I don't know enough about
> how the DEF/DPF system works to see what that does.  I was under the
> impression DEF/DPF was simply injected into the exhaust stream ahead of one
> of the catalysts to reduce the NOX.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:22 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > How does injecting DEF in the exhaust effect mileage? The effort to do
> the
> > injection? IIRC, I get the same mileage as you in the 2012 Passat.
> >
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[G Mann via Mercedes]

Ohhh Andrew...

You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14 miles
from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any civilization...
across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no shopping
malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...

We call it "real life" out here.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per gallon
> > burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
> > generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
> > >
> > > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and
> heat
> > > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
> > share".
> > >
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per gallon
> burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
> generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
> >
> > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and heat
> > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
> share".
> >
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Yes.. exactly..

Sarcastic I am.. ;))

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per gallon
> burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
> generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
> >
> > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and heat
> > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
> share".
> >
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per gallon
burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
>
> By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and heat
> footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair share".
>
>
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What state?  How far from the border?


On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 3:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> And real "fun."  ;<)
>
> BTW, is that a GATE gate or a cattle gate?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "G Mann via Mercedes" <
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>
>
> Ohhh Andrew...
>>
>> You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14 miles
>> from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any civilization...
>> across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no shopping
>> malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...
>>
>> We call it "real life" out here.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per >
>>> gallon
>>> > burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
>>> > generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Max
>>> > Charleston SC
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> > >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
>>> > >
>>> > > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and
>>> heat
>>> > > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
>>> > share".
>>> > >
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers an trez passers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I'd call that goods hootin'



Wilton,
Thanks for asking. It is a "real gate" made from 3/16 wall rectangle tubing
that weighs about 1,500 lbs, 20 ft across, on railroad track to "roll
open". When closed, the ends are fully encapsulated with vertical uprights
that lock it in place.

Sign on front gate reads "Entry beyond this point by invitation only. Use
of deadly force authorized." in 5 languages.

20 ft back and to one side are what appears to be 3 graves, 2 with head
markers that read "Trespasser #1 and Trespasser #2" ... The third grave
site is open [only takes a few minutes with a backhoe] and the head marker
for that one reads "Next".

To the other side, there is a 4 yr old, jacked up jeep 4X4, with an open
beer cooler in the back and it still has the old gate laying in front of it
after bulldozing it down. It also has the engine destroyed and hood blown
open from a .50 Cal. round going through the block after the un-invited
party drove through the gate, destroyed it, then stopped to relieve
themselves and get fresh beers.. I happened to be on the mountain watching
them when it happened sighting in the .50 cal. for a competition shoot.

It seems the one round was all the deterrent force needed to convince them
they needed to "walk to town" on their own..

2,600' shot, 800' elevated position, 3 mph quartering wind, bullet entry
point was 2 inches below hood line, trajectory was then through the top of
the water pump [V8 engine] center of engine, through the cam, rods, crank
rear 3 journals, clutch, then the transmission, exit approximately center
of transmission.
Visitors refer to it as the "Welcome Wagon"



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[G Mann via Mercedes]

Wilton,
Thanks for asking. It is a "real gate" made from 3/16 wall rectangle tubing
that weighs about 1,500 lbs, 20 ft across, on railroad track to "roll
open". When closed, the ends are fully encapsulated with vertical uprights
that lock it in place.

Sign on front gate reads "Entry beyond this point by invitation only. Use
of deadly force authorized." in 5 languages.

20 ft back and to one side are what appears to be 3 graves, 2 with head
markers that read "Trespasser #1 and Trespasser #2" ... The third grave
site is open [only takes a few minutes with a backhoe] and the head marker
for that one reads "Next".

To the other side, there is a 4 yr old, jacked up jeep 4X4, with an open
beer cooler in the back and it still has the old gate laying in front of it
after bulldozing it down. It also has the engine destroyed and hood blown
open from a .50 Cal. round going through the block after the un-invited
party drove through the gate, destroyed it, then stopped to relieve
themselves and get fresh beers.. I happened to be on the mountain watching
them when it happened sighting in the .50 cal. for a competition shoot.

It seems the one round was all the deterrent force needed to convince them
they needed to "walk to town" on their own..

2,600' shot, 800' elevated position, 3 mph quartering wind, bullet entry
point was 2 inches below hood line, trajectory was then through the top of
the water pump [V8 engine] center of engine, through the cam, rods, crank
rear 3 journals, clutch, then the transmission, exit approximately center
of transmission.
Visitors refer to it as the "Welcome Wagon"

Andrew,
Arizona Just barely far enough from the border .. usually.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> And real "fun."  ;<)
>
> BTW, is that a GATE gate or a cattle gate?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "G Mann via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: "G Mann" <g2ma...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers
>
>
>
> Ohhh Andrew...
>>
>> You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14 miles
>> from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any civilization...
>> across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no shopping
>> malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...
>>
>> We call it "real life" out here.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per >
>>> gallon
>>> > burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
>>> > generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Max
>>> > Charleston SC
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> > >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
>>> > >
>>> > > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and
>>> heat
>>> > > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
>>> > share".
>>> > >
>>> > >
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Say hello to my leetle fren Meester Barrett...

--R



On 10/1/15 4:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Wilton,
Thanks for asking. It is a "real gate" made from 3/16 wall rectangle tubing
that weighs about 1,500 lbs, 20 ft across, on railroad track to "roll
open". When closed, the ends are fully encapsulated with vertical uprights
that lock it in place.

Sign on front gate reads "Entry beyond this point by invitation only. Use
of deadly force authorized." in 5 languages.

20 ft back and to one side are what appears to be 3 graves, 2 with head
markers that read "Trespasser #1 and Trespasser #2" ... The third grave
site is open [only takes a few minutes with a backhoe] and the head marker
for that one reads "Next".

To the other side, there is a 4 yr old, jacked up jeep 4X4, with an open
beer cooler in the back and it still has the old gate laying in front of it
after bulldozing it down. It also has the engine destroyed and hood blown
open from a .50 Cal. round going through the block after the un-invited
party drove through the gate, destroyed it, then stopped to relieve
themselves and get fresh beers.. I happened to be on the mountain watching
them when it happened sighting in the .50 cal. for a competition shoot.

It seems the one round was all the deterrent force needed to convince them
they needed to "walk to town" on their own..

2,600' shot, 800' elevated position, 3 mph quartering wind, bullet entry
point was 2 inches below hood line, trajectory was then through the top of
the water pump [V8 engine] center of engine, through the cam, rods, crank
rear 3 journals, clutch, then the transmission, exit approximately center
of transmission.
Visitors refer to it as the "Welcome Wagon"

Andrew,
Arizona Just barely far enough from the border .. usually.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


And real "fun."  ;<)

BTW, is that a GATE gate or a cattle gate?

Wilton

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mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "G Mann" <g2ma...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers



Ohhh Andrew...

You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14 miles
from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any civilization...
across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no shopping
malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...

We call it "real life" out here.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per >

gallon

burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com

wrote:


A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.

By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and

heat

footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair

share".



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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The other part of this I think the greenie weenies at CARB miss is that by 
using more fuel we require more fuel trucks and refining capacity both of which 
produce more greenhouse gasses. Diesels could cut the US's use of foreign oil 
if they were allowed to exist without overly stringent emissions requirements.
-Curt
  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers
   
Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per gallon
burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?

-
Max
Charleston SC



On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
>
> By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and heat
> footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair share".
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

You mustn't hitchike as you are then still part of the problem..

RB

On 01/10/2015 1:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per gallon
burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 

Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Oh man, we gotta have a pic of that.
The gun or the Jeep, I don't care which...
-Curt
  From: G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 4:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers
   
Wilton,
Thanks for asking. It is a "real gate" made from 3/16 wall rectangle tubing
that weighs about 1,500 lbs, 20 ft across, on railroad track to "roll
open". When closed, the ends are fully encapsulated with vertical uprights
that lock it in place.

Sign on front gate reads "Entry beyond this point by invitation only. Use
of deadly force authorized." in 5 languages.

20 ft back and to one side are what appears to be 3 graves, 2 with head
markers that read "Trespasser #1 and Trespasser #2" ... The third grave
site is open [only takes a few minutes with a backhoe] and the head marker
for that one reads "Next".

To the other side, there is a 4 yr old, jacked up jeep 4X4, with an open
beer cooler in the back and it still has the old gate laying in front of it
after bulldozing it down. It also has the engine destroyed and hood blown
open from a .50 Cal. round going through the block after the un-invited
party drove through the gate, destroyed it, then stopped to relieve
themselves and get fresh beers.. I happened to be on the mountain watching
them when it happened sighting in the .50 cal. for a competition shoot.

It seems the one round was all the deterrent force needed to convince them
they needed to "walk to town" on their own..

2,600' shot, 800' elevated position, 3 mph quartering wind, bullet entry
point was 2 inches below hood line, trajectory was then through the top of
the water pump [V8 engine] center of engine, through the cam, rods, crank
rear 3 journals, clutch, then the transmission, exit approximately center
of transmission.
Visitors refer to it as the "Welcome Wagon"

Andrew,
Arizona Just barely far enough from the border .. usually.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> And real "fun."  ;<)
>
> BTW, is that a GATE gate or a cattle gate?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "G Mann via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: "G Mann" <g2ma...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers
>
>
>
> Ohhh Andrew...
>>
>> You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14 miles
>> from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any civilization...
>> across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no shopping
>> malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...
>>
>> We call it "real life" out here.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per >
>>> gallon
>>> > burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
>>> > generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Max
>>> > Charleston SC
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> > >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
>>> > >
>>> > > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and
>>> heat
>>> > > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
>>> > share".
>>> > >
>>> > >
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[WILTON via Mercedes]

And real "fun."  ;<)

BTW, is that a GATE gate or a cattle gate?

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "G Mann" <g2ma...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers



Ohhh Andrew...

You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14 miles
from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any civilization...
across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no shopping
malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...

We call it "real life" out here.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per 
> gallon

> burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
> generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
> >
> > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and
heat
> > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
> share".
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Si SI mi amigo, con mucho gusto.

El Senior Barrett es mas fino, pero lo siento mui dinaro.grande.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Say hello to my leetle fren Meester Barrett...
>
> --R
>
>
>
>
> On 10/1/15 4:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Wilton,
>> Thanks for asking. It is a "real gate" made from 3/16 wall rectangle
>> tubing
>> that weighs about 1,500 lbs, 20 ft across, on railroad track to "roll
>> open". When closed, the ends are fully encapsulated with vertical uprights
>> that lock it in place.
>>
>> Sign on front gate reads "Entry beyond this point by invitation only. Use
>> of deadly force authorized." in 5 languages.
>>
>> 20 ft back and to one side are what appears to be 3 graves, 2 with head
>> markers that read "Trespasser #1 and Trespasser #2" ... The third grave
>> site is open [only takes a few minutes with a backhoe] and the head marker
>> for that one reads "Next".
>>
>> To the other side, there is a 4 yr old, jacked up jeep 4X4, with an open
>> beer cooler in the back and it still has the old gate laying in front of
>> it
>> after bulldozing it down. It also has the engine destroyed and hood blown
>> open from a .50 Cal. round going through the block after the un-invited
>> party drove through the gate, destroyed it, then stopped to relieve
>> themselves and get fresh beers.. I happened to be on the mountain watching
>> them when it happened sighting in the .50 cal. for a competition shoot.
>>
>> It seems the one round was all the deterrent force needed to convince them
>> they needed to "walk to town" on their own..
>>
>> 2,600' shot, 800' elevated position, 3 mph quartering wind, bullet entry
>> point was 2 inches below hood line, trajectory was then through the top of
>> the water pump [V8 engine] center of engine, through the cam, rods, crank
>> rear 3 journals, clutch, then the transmission, exit approximately center
>> of transmission.
>> Visitors refer to it as the "Welcome Wagon"
>>
>> Andrew,
>> Arizona Just barely far enough from the border .. usually.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> And real "fun."  ;<)
>>>
>>> BTW, is that a GATE gate or a cattle gate?
>>>
>>> Wilton
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "G Mann via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Cc: "G Mann" <g2ma...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ohhh Andrew...
>>>
>>>> You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14
>>>> miles
>>>> from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any
>>>> civilization...
>>>> across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no
>>>> shopping
>>>> malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...
>>>>
>>>> We call it "real life" out here.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per >
>>>>>>
>>>>> gallon
>>>>>
>>>>>> burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
>>>>>> generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Max
>>>>>> Charleston SC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>>>>>>
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon a

Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I wonder if a sign "Warning, dog humps newcomers" would keep people out or 
bring them in?
-Curt

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 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers
   
Both, preferably together . . .
We keep intruders out with a sign posted that says "Warning, ugly, old, fat 
nudists live here, enter at your own risk".


On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Oh man, we gotta have a pic of that.
The gun or the Jeep, I don't care which...
-Curt
  





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[WILTON via Mercedes]

Sounds like a nuclear weapons storage compound.   ;<)

Wilton

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Wilton,
Thanks for asking. It is a "real gate" made from 3/16 wall rectangle 
tubing

that weighs about 1,500 lbs, 20 ft across, on railroad track to "roll
open". When closed, the ends are fully encapsulated with vertical uprights
that lock it in place.

Sign on front gate reads "Entry beyond this point by invitation only. Use
of deadly force authorized." in 5 languages.

20 ft back and to one side are what appears to be 3 graves, 2 with head
markers that read "Trespasser #1 and Trespasser #2" ... The third grave
site is open [only takes a few minutes with a backhoe] and the head marker
for that one reads "Next".

To the other side, there is a 4 yr old, jacked up jeep 4X4, with an open
beer cooler in the back and it still has the old gate laying in front of 
it

after bulldozing it down. It also has the engine destroyed and hood blown
open from a .50 Cal. round going through the block after the un-invited
party drove through the gate, destroyed it, then stopped to relieve
themselves and get fresh beers.. I happened to be on the mountain watching
them when it happened sighting in the .50 cal. for a competition shoot.

It seems the one round was all the deterrent force needed to convince them
they needed to "walk to town" on their own..

2,600' shot, 800' elevated position, 3 mph quartering wind, bullet entry
point was 2 inches below hood line, trajectory was then through the top of
the water pump [V8 engine] center of engine, through the cam, rods, crank
rear 3 journals, clutch, then the transmission, exit approximately center
of transmission.
Visitors refer to it as the "Welcome Wagon"

Andrew,
Arizona Just barely far enough from the border .. usually.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:


And real "fun."  ;<)

BTW, is that a GATE gate or a cattle gate?

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "G Mann" <g2ma...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers



Ohhh Andrew...


You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14 
miles
from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any 
civilization...
across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no 
shopping

malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...

We call it "real life" out here.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.


On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per >
gallon
> burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
> generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
> >
> > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and
heat
> > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
> share".
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Both, preferably together . . .

We keep intruders out with a sign posted that says "Warning, ugly, old, fat
nudists live here, enter at your own risk".

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Oh man, we gotta have a pic of that.
> The gun or the Jeep, I don't care which...
> -Curt
>
>
>


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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Good points!  
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 1, 2015 2:14:11 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>The other part of this I think the greenie weenies at CARB miss is that
>by using more fuel we require more fuel trucks and refining capacity
>both of which produce more greenhouse gasses. Diesels could cut the
>US's use of foreign oil if they were allowed to exist without overly
>stringent emissions requirements.
>-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

It is hard to see anything (CARB) when your head in in a hole between 
your gluteus maximi


Asking goober in goobermnt to make logical decisions is counter to the kulture.


Good points! 
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Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 1, 2015 2:14:11 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

The other part of this I think the greenie weenies at CARB miss is that
by using more fuel we require more fuel trucks and refining capacity
both of which produce more greenhouse gasses. Diesels could cut the
US's use of foreign oil if they were allowed to exist without overly
stringent emissions requirements.

 >-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[OK Don via Mercedes]

How does injecting DEF in the exhaust effect mileage? The effort to do the
injection? IIRC, I get the same mileage as you in the 2012 Passat.

I didn't care one way or the other about "green" - I bought it because it
was the only Diesel brand I could afford. I have an irrational desire to
drive behind a Diesel engine.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I bought VW diesels because they're fun to drive an economical. I don't
> think I'd buy one newer than 2005 because of the DEF/DPF (diesel exhaust
> fluid/diesel particulate filter) both of which cost mileage.
> I suspect but of course can't prove that all manufacturers cheat their
> emissions or fuel economy or both. Ford got caught a couple years ago lying
> about the C-Max mileage. If you're buying a car to be "green" you've missed
> the point. The only really "green" action you can take is to kill yourself
> and have your body composted...
> -Curt
>
>
>


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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers uh oh!

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Now 'dolfie found out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKef1JFpiCA

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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Just finished a podcast interview with author of a recent book on "green"
companies, and by chance the lady owns a VW.  Gasser, not diesel.

Lady is "green" herself through and through, and was adamant that she was
going to sell her VW and get a Tesla as soon as she could afford one.  From
her perspective, VW has betrayed us all and is destroying the planet and is
now so evil she pretty much said she hopes they rot in hell.

I would imagine that a lot of the left feels the same way, and so that
Jalopnik story may be credible.

One clever caller asked about the sustainability / availability / future of
lithium (for Li-ion batteries), and she confessed that she didn't know a
thing about that.  Hmmm, don't think I'm going to buy that book.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> http://jalopnik.com/that-angry-wise-ass-portland-note-left-on-a-vw-diesel-w-1733700671
>
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I bought VW diesels because they're fun to drive an economical. I don't think 
I'd buy one newer than 2005 because of the DEF/DPF (diesel exhaust fluid/diesel 
particulate filter) both of which cost mileage.
I suspect but of course can't prove that all manufacturers cheat their 
emissions or fuel economy or both. Ford got caught a couple years ago lying 
about the C-Max mileage. If you're buying a car to be "green" you've missed the 
point. The only really "green" action you can take is to kill yourself and have 
your body composted...
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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Cc: Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com> 
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers
   
Just finished a podcast interview with author of a recent book on "green"
companies, and by chance the lady owns a VW.  Gasser, not diesel.

Lady is "green" herself through and through, and was adamant that she was
going to sell her VW and get a Tesla as soon as she could afford one.  From
her perspective, VW has betrayed us all and is destroying the planet and is
now so evil she pretty much said she hopes they rot in hell.

I would imagine that a lot of the left feels the same way, and so that
Jalopnik story may be credible.

One clever caller asked about the sustainability / availability / future of
lithium (for Li-ion batteries), and she confessed that she didn't know a
thing about that.  Hmmm, don't think I'm going to buy that book.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> http://jalopnik.com/that-angry-wise-ass-portland-note-left-on-a-vw-diesel-w-1733700671
>
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