Mersenne: Resurrecting an lapsed machine?

2001-07-24 Thread Daran

I've just noticed in my personal account report, that I've only got the one
machine listed.  I should have two (this one, and my mother's.)  The most
likely explanation is that her machine is configured to comunicate manually,
and she hasn't been doing this.

I visited her a couple of weeks ago, and it was still happily hacking
through a DC.  I won't be visiting her for some time, and I can't ask her to
do any more than trivial admin.  Would it be sufficient just to tell her how
to set it to automatic communication?  Would this upset the primenet server?

Regards

Daran G.


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Re: Mersenne: P-1

2001-07-24 Thread George Woltman

Hi,

At 06:35 AM 7/24/2001 +0100, Daran wrote:
As far as I can tell, both first time and DC LLs do P-1 factoring, but not
trial factoring.  (I suspect they will trial factor first if the exponant
has not already been trial factored far enough, but I don't recall
encountering this.)

Both will do trial factoring if necessary.  It is pretty rare that a DC
needs more trial factoring.

if the historical error rate for P-1s is the same as for LLs,
(which is a reasonable assumption, given that they use the same FFT code*),
then the probability of a second P-1 (using the same bounds) finding a
factor that a first misses will be about 1% of this, i.e 0.02-0.05%, and
only a single DC would be saved.  Clearly not economical.

You are correct.  Since P-1 factoring was introduced over a year ago, I'm
sure there have been quite a few needless P-1 runs.  This happens primarily
on triple-checks and first-time tests that were abandoned after the P-1
run completed.

On the plus side, double-checking has still not reached the point where
first-time checking was when P-1 factoring was released.

 Saying all that doesn't mean we couldn't break out work into more work
 unit types, it would just mean we'd also have to have a factoring DC work
 unit type if it was to be removed from the LL runs.

I'll see if I can work out a solution with Scott.  A minimum solution would 
have
the server return whether or not the exponent has already had P-1 factoring
done.  A better solution would include giving CPU credit for P-1
factoring and making it a separate work type.

I'll keep y'all posted.

Best regards,
George

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Re: Mersenne: Resurrecting an lapsed machine?

2001-07-24 Thread Martijn Kruithof

You could even make a shadow mprime install on your own pc that you use
exclusively to keep your mothers exponent alive. You could also set the auto
check in time on your mothers machine to a large value. (maybe even +
holidays (on / no comm) when you are there)

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Subject: Mersenne: Resurrecting an lapsed machine?


 I've just noticed in my personal account report, that I've only got the
one
 machine listed.  I should have two (this one, and my mother's.)  The most
 likely explanation is that her machine is configured to comunicate
manually,
 and she hasn't been doing this.

 I visited her a couple of weeks ago, and it was still happily hacking
 through a DC.  I won't be visiting her for some time, and I can't ask her
to
 do any more than trivial admin.  Would it be sufficient just to tell her
how
 to set it to automatic communication?  Would this upset the primenet
server?

 Regards

 Daran G.


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Mersenne: Re: Mersenn: 1000 Barrier

2001-07-24 Thread Gerry Snyder

Russel Brooks wrote:
 
 I've been with GIMPS for about two years and yesterday achieved
 a personal milestone; I finally broke thru the 1000 barrier and
 made it to 996 on the top producers list. Each step forward is
 getting smaller and smaller though; I think I'm approaching the
 knee of the curve and will eventually start going backwards.
 
 ID: rlbrooks
 866MHz P3  450MHz P2 ( 133MHz P1 doing factoring)

Was glad to hear that you seem likely to keep moving forward for a
while.

I have been playing here for almost 3 years, and have been 
in the 500's or 600's for a while. I have a P166 factoring, 
a PIII-650 double-checking (it's at work, and I don't want 
to share the fame and glory of finding a new prime with my 
employer). At home, I just upgraded a dual Celeron 500MHz 
to dual P-III 1GHz, and a Celeron 333MHz to P-IV 1.3GHz, 
so I should crack the 500 barrier among top producers fairly
soon. After that I may have one of my dual processors work on 
something else (if that speeds up the other significantly).

Great fun, ain't it?

Gerry

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Re: Mersenne: P-1

2001-07-24 Thread Daran

-Original Message-
From: George Woltman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: 24 July 2001 21:17
Subject: Re: Mersenne: P-1


I'll see if I can work out a solution with Scott.  A minimum solution would
have
the server return whether or not the exponent has already had P-1 factoring
done.

Better, perhaps (but more work to implement) would be to have the server
return the B1 and B2 values used.  The client could compare these to the
values it would use if it were going to do this, based upon its available
memory, and caculate whether a rerun would be economical.

A better solution would include giving CPU credit for P-1
factoring and making it a separate work type.


That might be a little complicated, since a machine which has high memory
availability only at night might be better off getting two different types
of work to do.

I'll keep y'all posted.

Best regards,
George


Daran G.


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