CD-Rewritable for UNIX/NT
If we're deploying on Windows 98/NT and UNIX systems, do we need to write two separate CDs, one from each of the two different OSes? Thanks. Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
RE: RE: MetaCard based browser?
SCORM stands for Sharable Couseware (or Content) Object Reference Model This initiative, headed by the ADL Co-Laboratory in Orlando, has far-reaching implications in how training is provided within the military in the coming years. SCORM aims to establish guidelines to: Exploit existing network-based technologies Create platform-neutral, reusable courseware and content Promote widespread collaboration to satisfy common needs Enhance performance with emerging and next-generation learning technologies Develop common framework that drives COTS product cycle Establish a coordinated implementation plan. Before I did the research to answer your question, I thought this was an industry-wide attempt to set standards for developing computer-based training and student tracking devices. I had not realized it was "merely" a DoD initiative. Hope this helps! Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 -Original Message- From: David Bovill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Metacard based browser? What's a SCORM when you find one? >I found out today that in April 2001, the Department of Defense will be >issuing a directive that all future training development must be WBT and >SCORM compliant. I hope MetaCard will qualify as a Web-Based Training >mechanism. (It's my understanding that the SCORM part is the responsibility >of the developers). I'd say the DoD is a big enough market not to want to >address their needs > >Lori C. Fraind >Delex Systems, Inc. >(703) 734-8300 x310 > > >> -Original Message- >> From:Geoff Canyon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent:Saturday, August 05, 2000 2:35 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: Metacard based browser? >> >> Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said, on 8/4/00 6:14 PM: >> >> >If your goal is to create a new standard for page description, then maybe >> >> >you have a reachable (and laudible) goal, but for current HTML, I would >> >suggest taking a step back and evaluating if you really have that kind of >> >> >time available. >> >> I agree. Limited compatibility with existing pages is fine, but if this >> quixotic quest has any chance (let's face it--against Microsoft, a >> snowball has a better chance in...) then the focus has to be on >> downloadable stacks/scripts as "pages." >> >> I can see it now--little badges everywhere on the web saying "This site >> best viewed in MetaCard!" This morning, www.warnerbros.com said I had to >> have Netscape or Internet Explorer, _and_ Flash, in order to use their >> site at _all_ What a thrill it would be to have some major site do a >> slight twist on that, and tell me that I needed the free MetaCard viewer >> to access their site...sorry, I was daydreaming for a moment there... >> >> gc, who still thinks this idea could be great fun... >> >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ >> Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm >> Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list. > >Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ >Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
RE: Metacard based browser?
I found out today that in April 2001, the Department of Defense will be issuing a directive that all future training development must be WBT and SCORM compliant. I hope MetaCard will qualify as a Web-Based Training mechanism. (It's my understanding that the SCORM part is the responsibility of the developers). I'd say the DoD is a big enough market not to want to address their needs Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 > -Original Message- > From: Geoff Canyon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 2:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Metacard based browser? > > Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said, on 8/4/00 6:14 PM: > > >If your goal is to create a new standard for page description, then maybe > > >you have a reachable (and laudible) goal, but for current HTML, I would > >suggest taking a step back and evaluating if you really have that kind of > > >time available. > > I agree. Limited compatibility with existing pages is fine, but if this > quixotic quest has any chance (let's face it--against Microsoft, a > snowball has a better chance in...) then the focus has to be on > downloadable stacks/scripts as "pages." > > I can see it now--little badges everywhere on the web saying "This site > best viewed in MetaCard!" This morning, www.warnerbros.com said I had to > have Netscape or Internet Explorer, _and_ Flash, in order to use their > site at _all_ What a thrill it would be to have some major site do a > slight twist on that, and tell me that I needed the free MetaCard viewer > to access their site...sorry, I was daydreaming for a moment there... > > gc, who still thinks this idea could be great fun... > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ > Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm > Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
RE: MetaCard vs Flash
This sounds impressive. Would it be possible to put it into non-technical terms, so that the non-technicians (the ones who pull the purse strings) could understand it? Oh, and the thing I would add to the list is that Flash does not support UNIX (or is it vice versa?) Lori > -Original Message- > From: Scott Rossi [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:30 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Metacard vs Flash > > Recently, Sivakatirswami wrote: > > > If someone started debating the concept of using MC with "Why don't you > just > > do that in Flash" i.e. pushing Flash as a primary development > environment > > over MetaCard, what would be ten reasons you would give in response? > > Support for object translucency > Support for images with custom alpha channels > Built in object morphing > Built in on-the-fly antialiasing of text and objects > Media runs within a Web page via a small filesize plugin > Built in testing available for detecting amount of media downloaded > Variable size media (even up to full screen) without loss of resolution > or filesize penalty > Media can be published as Web page-based or standalone projector > Builds Mac/Win media simultaneously with the push of a button > Multiple sound channels on Mac/Win platforms > > Of course there many things Flash is lacking but version 5 is just around > the corner... > > Regards, > > Scott > > __ > Scott RossiTactile Media - Multimedia & Design > Creative Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Web: www.tactilemedia.com > > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ > Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm > Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
RE: Cutting and Pasting from One Field to Another
I discovered that part of the problem one time was that I had installed the menu bar (which traps copy and paste commands without allowing them to pass). When I edited the menu so that cut and paste had the appropriate commands assigned in the menuButton, things got better. Aha! That's precisely it! Thank you! Lori Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
RE: Cutting and Pasting from One Field to Another
Thank you for this suggestion, but no, I did not make either of these modifications. The problem persists across several fields in a group. I am also unable to copy to or from Word. Lori > -Original Message- > From: Dave Cragg [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 6:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cutting and Pasting from One Field to Another > > At 12:58 PM -0400 6/28/00, LORI FRAIND wrote: > >The cut and paste functions between fields do not seem to be working, > even > >though they were working earlier today. Is there a way of (inadvertently) > >setting fields to not allow cut and paste? The cut function does not even > >seem to be working if I switch over to Word and try to paste the text > there. > > > >Thanks. > Hi > > Have you introduced any handlers that might trap the cut or paste > actions? rawKeyDown or commandKeyDown are the ones I can think of > that would do this. > > Cheers > Dave Cragg > _ > The LACS Centre (Business English Training Resources) > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.lacscentre.co.uk > _ > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ > Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm > Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
Cutting and Pasting from One Field to Another
The cut and paste functions between fields do not seem to be working, even though they were working earlier today. Is there a way of (inadvertently) setting fields to not allow cut and paste? The cut function does not even seem to be working if I switch over to Word and try to paste the text there. Thanks. Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
RE: Backdrop is behind other program
The response to this question raises a concern for me. Our MC application will be called by another application, which will launch MC, but will continue to run in the background. We are planning on using the full screen for our MC application, so won't be using a backdrop. My concern is whether having another application running in the background is a problem in aspects other than the backdrop. Thanks. Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 > -Original Message- > From: Scott Raney [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 6:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Backdrop is behind other program > > On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I am using MC for Win32 running on WinNT as well as Win98. I have a > > backdrop set for my application. If I bring up WordPad and then click > on > > one of my MC windows I can still see the WordPad window. Nothing short > of > > minimizing the WordPad window will hide the other applications. I > assumed > > the backdrop would hide all non-MC windows as long as MC was in the > > foreground. > > > > Am I doing something wrong? > > Maybe just assuming that you can run other applications while a > MetaCard application has a backdrop set. This isn't supported. > Fighting the natural window stacking behavior of the OS is a nightmare > as it is without opening yet another can of worms by requiring that > sometimes other app's windows appear above the backdrop and sometimes > below... > Regards, > Scott > > > Larry Huisingh > > > Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com > MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... > > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ > Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm > Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
RE: MetaCard 2.3.1 gamma
Pardon me for a stupid question, but does this mean that there are no UNIX changes in the 2.3.1 release? If so, is it better to keep working with 2.3 on our UNIX system, and update our Windows to 2.3.1, or is it best to maintain the same versions on all machines? (And can it hurt to update our UNIX system, other than the aggravation of working with that OS on a real slow machine)? Thanks. Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 > -Original Message- > From: Scott Raney [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 11:57 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: MetaCard 2.3.1 gamma > > The gamma (final) test release of MetaCard 2.3.1 for Windows, > Macintosh, and Linux is now available in the directory: > ftp://ftp.metacard.com/MetaCard/2.3.1/ > Regards, > Scott > > > Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com > MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... > > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ > Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm > Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
MetaCard Structure
I am in the process of learning MetaCard. Unfortunately, even before I have a solid grasp on the ways of MetaCard, I have to create a Style Guide that describes the structure of the files and directories we will be delivering. I'm not sure how MetaCard needs things to be structured, or even what kind of files MetaCard needs as peripherals. The following is an excerpt from a previous Style Guide (of which our project is a continuation), when the developers were using IconAuthor. Any help in rewriting it to fit the MetaCard metaphor? For example, I'm not sure if saying "MetaCard Runtime files" would make real sense. The ICW files consist of the MetaCard runtime programs and the ICW developed applications. The runtime programs consist of the MetaCard MPRESENT (Version 7.00.27) files and any other files required at runtime. The files for the ICW developed applications consist of database, lesson, and ICW system files (non-lesson, such as logon, module menu, and Help subapplications). The MetaCard runtime program files and the database files will be stored on the hard disk. All other files will be accessible from CD-ROM. A related question is what command would a different program need to make in order to launch our MetaCard main menu. In other words, our training program will be launched from the application for which we are developing the training. The folks developing that software need to know what command(s) to embed. Thanks! Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
RE: Basic Questions
> On 6/6/00 6:48 pm, LORI FRAIND <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > A few basic questions about the MetaCard interface itself: > > > > The only place I can find the Icons button is on the Stack Properties > tab. > > Unfortunately, when I select an icon for the button I'm creating, the > Icon > > Chooser auto-closes, so I have to go back to the Stack properties and > call > > up the Icon Chooser for each button I want to assign an icon to. > You need the ID of the image - try opening up the icon chooser and checking the ID of the image you want (e.g. moving the mouse over the icon and typing "put the ID of the mouseControl" in the message box). Thank you for your responses. I guess my real question about the Icon Chooser is whether there is another way of accessing it than through the Stack Properties (when where I mostly will want to use it is for buttons), and whether there is a way to keep it up, as it is possible to let the font and color boxes up indefinitely. > > More advanced question: I prefer to work with my Windows 98 screen set > to > > 1600x1200 pixels (just so everybody at the office will make fun of me > for > > the wee text nobody else can read), but won't be developing for this > > resolution. We actually want to develop for full screen display on > HP-UNIX > > and Windows NT systems (for which I know no other specifications). I > will, > > however, be developing the storyboards (right now trying to do it in > > MetaCard, learn as I go!) on the Windows 98. If everything works out > well, > > we will develop the running files directly from the WYSIWYG storyboards. > So > > what is the question? How can we script the stack to transfer without > too > > much pain from my 1600x1200 screen to automatically fill the screens of > > other systems, regardless of resolution? > > Design your stack at a common resolution that everyone will have: 800x600 > is > fairly typical. If the user has a larger screen than that which you want > to > cover, set the backDrop property. > As we have a lot of stuff to put on each screen, we need to use as much real estate as we can. Also, I know that one of the aspects that played against MetaCard during our grueling trade study was that our HTML programmers had figured out how to make a browser screen dynamically set itself to fill the whole screen. So I don't think the backdrop will be a viable solution, since I know there are some folks here who are just waiting to tell me they told me so, and we should have gone with HTML/JavaScript/Perl/etc. adnauseum. > Regards, > > Kevin > > > Thank you! > > > > Lori C. Fraind > > Delex Systems, Inc. > > (703) 734-8300 x310 > > Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.xworlds.com/> > Cross Worlds Computing, MetaCard Distributors, Custom Development. > Tel: +44 (0)131 672 2909. Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707. > > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ > Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm > Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
RE: SVG anyone?
YES!!! I know I'm going to get some heat for being so disdainful of HTML/JavaScript as a development solution if MetaCard cannot dynamically set screen elements to proportionally fill the screen regardless of window size/screen resolution (nevermind that MetaCard can apparently do everything else much more easily!). I believe in our trade study we claimed that MetaCard could be scripted to resize dynamically, based on a conversation with Scott. What you're asking, SVG imports, seems to be slightly different. Of course, we'd need it to work in Windows AND HP-UNIX. Lori Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 > -Original Message- > From: Richard Gaskin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 2:15 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: SVG anyone? > > > I know it's probably too early to be taken very seriously, but does anyone > else drool at the thought of being able to import SVG into MetaCard? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web > _ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com > Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 > > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ > Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm > Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
Basic Questions
A few basic questions about the MetaCard interface itself: On pulldown menus or when the contents of a field are autohighlighted, the highlighted choice is white text with yellow highlight, which I find hard to read. Is there a way to change the color of the highlight? The only place I can find the Icons button is on the Stack Properties tab. Unfortunately, when I select an icon for the button I'm creating, the Icon Chooser auto-closes, so I have to go back to the Stack properties and call up the Icon Chooser for each button I want to assign an icon to. The tutorial refers to turning on the grid, or changing its settings, but I can't find the method for turning the grid on and off. More advanced question: I prefer to work with my Windows 98 screen set to 1600x1200 pixels (just so everybody at the office will make fun of me for the wee text nobody else can read), but won't be developing for this resolution. We actually want to develop for full screen display on HP-UNIX and Windows NT systems (for which I know no other specifications). I will, however, be developing the storyboards (right now trying to do it in MetaCard, learn as I go!) on the Windows 98. If everything works out well, we will develop the running files directly from the WYSIWYG storyboards. So what is the question? How can we script the stack to transfer without too much pain from my 1600x1200 screen to automatically fill the screens of other systems, regardless of resolution? Thank you! Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
RE: PR for MetaCard
Yes, this is the first review of MetaCard we found when we started our everlasting trade study on a development package suitable for HP-UNIX, and we almost dropped MC from consideration. As it was, we had to rate MC reputation slightly lower. Still (of course!) it came out on top, and we're just (and still!) waiting for a final customer decision. Within our company, I have become a true MC evangelist, so I'd also be interested in other reviews. Lori Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 > -Original Message- > From: Craig Spooner [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 3:15 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: PR for MetaCard > > I was disappointed to discover some bad press about MetaCard on the > ZDNet site in a review of MetaCard by Esther Schindler: > http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,389342,00.html > > I sent her a rebuttal, but I don't imagine it will change her mind in > any way. MC could sure use some "buzz" in the industry and a few > well-deserved glowing reviews. Anyone have any suggestion which > publications might be more open to reviewing a product like MC? Is > MC's niche -- which is certainly multifaceted -- significant in the > industry? > > Craig > > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ > > Craig Spooner > Instructional Multimedia Specialist > and WebCT Administrator > Office of Instructional Services > Colorado State University > (970) 491-2516 > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ > Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm > Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
MetaCard Test
I have run a test of functionality across HP-UNIX, UNIX SGI, Windows 98, and Windows NT. The two issues I run into that may cause the biggest headaches are resolution (both on the screen and when printing), and superimposition of screen elements. For example, the pointer on a cascading button overlaps the button's name on UNIX SGI and Win98. Also, the text in fields does not wrap correctly on Win98; instead of wrapping to the next line, the text cuts about one character off at the end of the line before wrapping. For example: You have chosen the wacky button. displays and prints in Win98 as: You have chose the wacky butto What are the best ways of avoiding this? Are there any strategies for cross-platform development without constant text tweaking on each platform? As for resolution, what are best practices for assuring acceptable resolution? Thanks! Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
MetaCard Developers in DC
Are there any MetaCard developers in the Washington DC area? If so, are there any who have worked on UNIX (preferably HP-UNIX), and/or Windows/UNIX cross-platform projects? If so, would you contact me, either in reply to this message, or at the phone number below. Thanks! Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 This is the MetaCard mailing list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm
Cross Platform Abilities
Hello folks, Scott knows that I've been working on a trade study for the past millennium or so. I thought I finally put it to bed, but the customer has a question regarding how cross-platformable MetaCard really is. The reason they are skeptical is that the previous development package was HP-UNIX IconAuthor, and they had assurances from the IconAuthor's Company du jour that IconAuthor was easily transferred across platforms. T'ain't so. I've spoken with perhaps the only existing HP-UNIX developers, and they recommended strongly against even attempting transporting stuff developed in UNIX to a Windows environment. I believe them, because I saw the scars myself. Not a pretty sight. So, my question is who out there has really tested MetaCard's cross-platform abilities, especially from/to UNIX and Windows. Scott warned us about the font issue, which I guess is a given anyway. Any other comments? I personally am convinced that MetaCard is the way to go, but I need some muscle to flex at the customer. Thank you! Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 This is the MetaCard mailing list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm