Re: OS X
Karl Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about the MetaCard engine for OS X? Is MetaCard for OS X going to introduce a new Look and Feel setting for Aqua? Although MacOS X is based on Unix, Scott will propably have to do a complete port of the MetaCard display engine... which is not an easy task and may take a while... remember: There is only one Unix look-and-feel in MetaCard: Motif; no Gnome or KDE or anything. He could carbonize the Classic MacOS engine, but that would not introduce the Aqua look-and-feel. IMHO MacOS X will come with several themes preinstalled and new ones following soon... Apple has started to add things like that to the Classic MacOS, and Kaleidoscope is such a success that they won't miss to beat Microsoft to it. If it does not make it in the first version, it will definetely be in the second one scheduled to come 3 to 12 months after the initial release. OTOH the MetaCard engine does not use the OS routines to draw controlls, but it uses its own to fake it... exceptionally well! Sometimes even better than the original OS... and you can adapt them freely to your own tastes... and you can use any look-and-feel on any platform. But if you would switch themes (or skinns or whatever they call it) in the OS, the controlls in MC will stay just the same... and every new theme would need another reimplementation from MC. This takes us to the real question: What is more important, nifty theme support or free customisation within MC and a common look on all plattforms? Regards Rdiger P.S.: It would be a great step to have a command line version of MC for MacOS X, so we could run CGIs and stuff. -- GINIT Technology GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ruediger zu Dohna phone:+49-721-96681-0 Emmy-Noether-Str. 11fax: +49-721-96681-11 D-76131 Karlsruhe http://www.ginit-technology.de -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Valentina 1.8.7 Introduces Java, MacOS X REALbasic, ShockwaveVersions
Valentina 1.8.7 Introduces Java, MacOS X REALbasic, Shockwave Versions TECHNOLOGY RELEASE 1.8.7 INCLUDES NEW PRODUCT, STRATEGIC IMPROVEMENTS TO DIRECTOR, REALBASIC AND MAC OS X VERSIONS January 18, 2001. Beaverton, Oregon. Paradigma Software announced the availability of technology release 1.8.7, including powerful new functionality to most SDKs and MacOS X support. It introduces the release version of Valentina for Java (VJSDK), Shockwave safe and Authorware friendly Valentina for Director, and MacOS X ready versions of Valentina application and Valentina for REALbasic. Valentina for Java is the first of Paradigma Software's line of database tools for development of client side pure Java applications. VJSDK includes implementations for Macintosh and Windows development and includes the Valentina application (VAPP) for rapid creation and modification of object-relational databases. VJSDK is available for $299. Valentina for Director release 1.8.7 is now Shockwave safe, meaning the Valentina runtime can be downloaded with a Director Shockwave project. It also includes compatibility with Macromedia Authorware. Valentina for Director is available for Macintosh and Windows platforms. Single platform pricing is $199. Two platform pricing is $299, and includes the Valentina application. Version 1.X users can upgrade to the latest version for free. Valentina for REALbasic 1.8.7 is the MacOS X compliant version of the Valentina implementation for the popular visual BASIC environment, REALbasic, supporting REAL Software's native MacOS X and Classic compilation. Valentina for REALbasic Standard Edition is available for $199. The Professional version is $299, includes the Valentina application and supports Windows compilation. Version 1.X users can upgrade to the 1.8.7 versions for free. "REALbasic programmers want to develop for MacOS X now so they can ship OS X ready applications when the OS is ready. They don't want their apps to be forced to run under 'Classic'. With V4RB 1.8.7, they can be assured that their Classic, MacOS X, 68K and Windows applications are all supported by the fastest and most robust database engine available for REALbasic," said Ruslan Zasukhin, founder of Paradigma Software. Additional information is available on the Paradigma Software website, or through its authorized international distribution partners. About Paradigma Software Paradigma Software developed the ultra-fast Valentina database kernel, the core of its line of database products for designers and developers. Founded in 1998 by Ruslan Zasukhin, Paradigma Software has teamed with US-based Proactive International, LLC for international business development. For additional information, visit the Paradigma Software website at http://www.paradigmasoft.com. Contact Paradigma Software [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.paradigmasoft.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Valentina 1.8.7 Introduces Java, MacOS X REALbasic, Shockwave Versions
Hey Scott, why not add a notices page to the MetaCard list so people can post their product releases to it? This is not this first time I get spammed in the list (lets call it what it is), it's only going to get worse before it gets better. Valentina 1.8.7 Introduces Java, MacOS X REALbasic, Shockwave Versions TECHNOLOGY RELEASE 1.8.7 INCLUDES NEW PRODUCT, STRATEGIC IMPROVEMENTS TO DIRECTOR, REALBASIC AND MAC OS X VERSIONS January 18, 2001. Beaverton, Oregon. Paradigma Software announced the availability of technology release 1.8.7, including powerful new functionality to most SDKs and MacOS X support. It introduces the release version of Valentina for Java (VJSDK), Shockwave safe and Authorware friendly Valentina for Director, and MacOS X ready versions of Valentina application and Valentina for REALbasic. Valentina for Java is the first of Paradigma Software's line of database tools for development of client side pure Java applications. VJSDK includes implementations for Macintosh and Windows development and includes the Valentina application (VAPP) for rapid creation and modification of object-relational databases. VJSDK is available for $299. Valentina for Director release 1.8.7 is now Shockwave safe, meaning the Valentina runtime can be downloaded with a Director Shockwave project. It also includes compatibility with Macromedia Authorware. Valentina for Director is available for Macintosh and Windows platforms. Single platform pricing is $199. Two platform pricing is $299, and includes the Valentina application. Version 1.X users can upgrade to the latest version for free. Valentina for REALbasic 1.8.7 is the MacOS X compliant version of the Valentina implementation for the popular visual BASIC environment, REALbasic, supporting REAL Software's native MacOS X and Classic compilation. Valentina for REALbasic Standard Edition is available for $199. The Professional version is $299, includes the Valentina application and supports Windows compilation. Version 1.X users can upgrade to the 1.8.7 versions for free. "REALbasic programmers want to develop for MacOS X now so they can ship OS X ready applications when the OS is ready. They don't want their apps to be forced to run under 'Classic'. With V4RB 1.8.7, they can be assured that their Classic, MacOS X, 68K and Windows applications are all supported by the fastest and most robust database engine available for REALbasic," said Ruslan Zasukhin, founder of Paradigma Software. Additional information is available on the Paradigma Software website, or through its authorized international distribution partners. About Paradigma Software Paradigma Software developed the ultra-fast Valentina database kernel, the core of its line of database products for designers and developers. Founded in 1998 by Ruslan Zasukhin, Paradigma Software has teamed with US-based Proactive International, LLC for international business development. For additional information, visit the Paradigma Software website at http://www.paradigmasoft.com. Contact Paradigma Software [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.paradigmasoft.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. -- Cheers, Simon All your .com .net and .org domains for only $14.50 each. Get them while they last... http://www.amigo-3.com/hosting/ -- "The great discoveries in science are not punctuated by 'Eureka! I've found it!' but rather "Hmmm,that's funny" Isaac Asimov Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
RE: ANSWER FILE command
Well, Gregory had the right idea the first time if he added a few more words to his script. Instead of just saying: answer file "Show me the file." Try this: answer file "Show me the file." with "OK" or "Delete my disk" or "Make coffee" or "Cancel" The [if it is "cancel" then exit mouseUp] will now work. "Cancel" is actually in the result in the answer file,ask file and asswer folder commands -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jack Rarick Sent: Thursday, 18 January 2001 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ANSWER FILE command Gregory Lypny wrote: Hi Everyone, When I use the "answer file" command as below, clicking "Cancel" does not cause an exit out of the handler. What am I doing wrong? answer file "Show me the file." if it is "Cancel" then exit mouseUp Regards, Greg Canceling leaves "it" empty. Try this: Answer file "Show me the file:" if it = "" then exit mouseup Good luck, Jack Rarick Braintree Athletic Systems Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. -- Cheers, Simon All your .com .net and .org domains for only $14.50 each. Get them while they last... http://www.amigo-3.com/hosting/ -- "The great discoveries in science are not punctuated by 'Eureka! I've found it!' but rather "Hmmm,that's funny" Isaac Asimov Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Opening windows behind
This is one of the standard windowing models described in the Windows Human Interface Guidelines because it allows document windows to be more closely associated (both visually and behaviorally) with the application they belong to. There's nothing Human about the Windows HIG, I'll let asktog.com explain the pro's and cons. ;^) For us MetaCard folks, if MC supported true MDI we'd be in cross-platform heaven, as the MDI behaves very similarly to Mac OS, with a single menu bar detached from document windows. I don't quite get the reference, MC uses only one menubar right now, it does not get attached to each window. And you would have to be directly responsible for doing this in your own stacks. I seem to be missing the point here, I understand where you're going but not where you're coming from. Without support for MDI, if your app has more than one window you need to compromise the design. You can make very Mac-looking apps, but your Windows apps will always seem at least a little UNIX-like. I fully disagree, this Windows feature is nothing more than an utter hindrance to my productivity (I have an Intellistation for 3D real-time and beta testing of Discreet SW like Max etc). The biggest problem is that many developers allow their palettes and dialogs to be drag beyond this *application border* window and I find myself shuffling windows and palettes around twice as much as I do on UNIX and Mac's. It's complete insanity inside Windows, it's not even a standard. MS uses it in their Office products but ignores it in their web apps (are all your IE pages grouped inside one large app window - no. It's a complete free for all without any reasoning behind it (if you can't follow your own standards, and half of your developers make it work differently than expected then it's not a standard). -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. -- Cheers, Simon All your .com .net and .org domains for only $14.50 each. Get them while they last... http://www.amigo-3.com/hosting/ -- "The great discoveries in science are not punctuated by 'Eureka! I've found it!' but rather "Hmmm,that's funny" Isaac Asimov Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Valentina 1.8.7 Introduces Java, MacOS X REALbasic, Shockwave Versions
At 8:53 AM -0500 19/1/01, Simon Lord wrote: Hey Scott, why not add a notices page to the MetaCard list so people can post their product releases to it? This is not this first time I get spammed in the list (lets call it what it is), it's only going to get worse before it gets better. On the other hand, it's nice to get information about Metacard-related products. We're not exactly swamped with them. :) However, the press-release style probably doesn't make many friends on a list like this. Something written specifically for Metacard developers would be nicer. By the way, I just gave the Valentina xcmd (Windows version) a try out. I'm no database person, but it seems a solid and powerful tool. It took a couple of long sessions to work out what I was doing, but I managed to build tables, link them, load data, run queries, etc, all from a Metacard interface. I'd be interested to hear from anyone using it for "big" projects about its performance and stability. Cheers Dave Cragg Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Group properties
Unless I understand otherwise, GROUP properties should also contain a resizable option, IMHO. mike Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Installers
This is a bit off topic but I know many MetaCard developers have to address this issue. I have been using PC-Install to install my MC program from a CD. I have been unhappy with it in that the documentation leaves a LOT to be desired, and some commands just don't seem to work. Now, it bombs whenever I try to run Version 7. I wanted to download the software and reinstall it but I find that the original company 20-20 Software is no longer there and Symantec now has the product and it is discontinued. Thus I am looking for a new installer. Any recommendations? My requirements are: 1) priced around $300 or lower, 2) no royalty fees, 3) installs to Windows 95/98/NT and preferably 2000, 4) reliable and straightforward to use. Any suggestions would be most helpful. Philip Chumbley Dr. Philip E. Chumbley, Scientific-Atlanta, Inc., 1251 Frontenac Road, Naperville, IL 60563 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Connection Speed
I have a question for everyone - how many people are still using a 56K modem? I take my cable connection for granted, it's simply on all the time (great!). This does have to do with MetaCard in general, you can reply directly to me if you wish. -- Cheers, Simon All your .com .net and .org domains for only $14.50 each. Get them while they last... http://www.amigo-3.com/hosting/ -- "The great discoveries in science are not punctuated by 'Eureka! I've found it!' but rather "Hmmm,that's funny" Isaac Asimov Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Connection Speed
Simon Lord a crit : I have a question for everyone - how many people are still using a 56K modem? I take my cable connection for granted, it's simply on all the time (great!). This does have to do with MetaCard in general, you can reply directly to me if you wish. -- Cheers, Simon All your .com .net and .org domains for only $14.50 each. Get them while they last... http://www.amigo-3.com/hosting/ -- "The great discoveries in science are not punctuated by 'Eureka! I've found it!' but rather "Hmmm,that's funny" Isaac Asimov Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. As far i know, in France, most individuals connections are, to the end, handled by 56K modems or shared 128K isdn lines. Adsl and cable connections are only available near and inside Paris and are used by just some percents of the end users. In France too, most of the public administrations and private corps. are connecting the web, extranets and so on, trough 2Mb specialised lines, even when the routers shares those connections betwin hundreds of lan end-users... Regards, -- Pierre Sahores WEB VPN applications and databases servers Inspection acadmique de la Seine-Saint-Denis Penser la part du rve et produire l'avantage Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: OS X
We just finished reworking our schedule for the next release in response to the OS X release announcement. OS X and the Carbon libraries are still changing too frequently for us to plan a release on or before that date, but we should be in beta by then with a release a few weeks afterward, depending on how severely the release version of OS X breaks the beta version we're testing at the time. For those of you who haven't been dealing with this elsewhere, I can reinforce Raney's statement about the ever-changing Carbon "specification" -- every developer I know is very frustrated with the state of things at Apple regarding this. They're all expected to have fresh apps, but Apple's giving them nothing solid to go on. Yeah, it's a big job and all, but if Jobs thinks he's going to have most apps Carbonized by June he's been spending too much time in his jet, where the air is apparently too thin. I'm just grateful that we get all this for a low annual subscription fee. I'm familiar enough which what Scott Raney and other developers at his level are going through, and it makes me infinitely appreciative to be able to rest my work on such strong shoulders. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Valentina 1.8.7 Introduces Java, MacOS X REALbasic, ShockwaveVersions
on 19/1/01 17:03, Dave Cragg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H Simon, Hi Dave, Hi Scott, Hi MetaCard Developers, At 8:53 AM -0500 19/1/01, Simon Lord wrote: Hey Scott, why not add a notices page to the MetaCard list so people can post their product releases to it? This is not this first time I get spammed in the list (lets call it what it is), it's only going to get worse before it gets better. Please take my apologies for sending to MC list general PR. I understand reaction of Simon, which decide that this is just spam. Valentina is new for Metacard community, so probably many people are not aware yet that actually Paradigma offers a product for Metacard developers -- Valentina XCMD (VXCMD) as for MAC so for Windows. We do release of the WHOLE product line. This means that release 1.8.7 offers improvements and fixes to VXCMD users also. On the other hand, it's nice to get information about Metacard-related products. We're not exactly swamped with them. :) I also think so, there is nothing bad to get announcement on list of new products and updates which will help you work. However, the press-release style probably doesn't make many friends on a list like this. Something written specifically for Metacard developers would be nicer. Agree, on the other hand this is hard enough to do, because Valentina now support a lots of API: C++, Java, Director, RB, xCards, WebSiphon, AppleScript By the way, I just gave the Valentina xcmd (Windows version) a try out. I'm no database person, but it seems a solid and powerful tool. It took a couple of long sessions to work out what I was doing, but I managed to build tables, link them, load data, run queries, etc, all from a Metacard interface. btw, have you try use Debug feature of VXCMD ? Highly recommend to use. I'd be interested to hear from anyone using it for "big" projects about its performance and stability. Dan, if you want to get info about Valentina the best place -- Valentina list. (btw on our WEB you can find archive for last 1.5 years). On this list you will meet several hundreds of Valentina developers which work on MAC and Windows, which use all that different APIs, but they are joined by Valentina. Valentina community is very friendly and responsible (as Valentina itself :-) PERFORMANCE: you can find benchmarks of Valentina on our site. in short -- incredible PROJECTS: practically of any kind. From small -- like a pref files, to databases with many tables and hundreds of thousand of records. One of the important for many developers "feature" of Valentina -- its files can be easy used from any supported environments. For example you can develop part of your project in MC and other part in C++ or Java. FUTURE? Valentina Server improved SQL Linux porting more Object-Oriented features in database -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin - Paradigma. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web : http://www.paradigmasoft.com To subscribe to the Valentina mail list send a letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: OS X
P.S.: It would be a great step to have a command line version of MC for MacOS X, so we could run CGIs and stuff. We'll probably get around to doing that at some point, but it depends on getting some X11 libraries for OS X. With those, such an engine would pretty much be just a recompile. Without them, it'd be several tedious days of stubbing out all the drawing routines. Word is that there is an X11 port in the works, though, so it may not be too long a wait. Even if the X server doesn't work right, we'll still be able to use the client libraries to build a console-mode engine for Darwin (the BSD API OS X is built on). XFree86 was ported to OSX (Darwin) including version 4.x (darwininfo.org) but there aren't many applications for it yet. How well it works remains to be seen. Regards, Scott PS: I can't recall ever posting a message with more acronyms and code names. These are truly trying times... -- GINIT Technology GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ruediger zu Dohna phone:+49-721-96681-0 Emmy-Noether-Str. 11fax: +49-721-96681-11 D-76131 Karlsruhe http://www.ginit-technology.de -- Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Valentina 1.8.7 Introduces Java, MacOS X REALbasic, ShockwaveVersions
On 19/1/01 8:05 pm, Ruslan Zasukhin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand reaction of Simon, which decide that this is just spam. Valentina is new for Metacard community, so probably many people are not aware yet that actually Paradigma offers a product for Metacard developers -- Valentina XCMD (VXCMD) as for MAC so for Windows. We do release of the WHOLE product line. This means that release 1.8.7 offers improvements and fixes to VXCMD users also. On the other hand, it's nice to get information about Metacard-related products. We're not exactly swamped with them. :) I also think so, there is nothing bad to get announcement on list of new products and updates which will help you work. My opinion on this is that such an announcement is *not* spam, that this kind of information is useful and relevant to this list. Nor is it all that important that every *single* post that goes to this list be exactly on topic: the vast majority are, and in general I think its helpful to have a relaxed policy - people use this list as a general development resource. For example, asking questions about monitor resolutions and modem speeds are not *precisely* related to MetaCard, but are so useful and close to the subject that I wouldn't think for a moment to try to interfere with them. Finally, as a general point, I think the best place to protest about spam, or other unwanted posts of any description, is my mail box - rather than this list... Regards, Kevin Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited (formerly Cross Worlds Computing). Tel: +44 (0)131 672 2909. Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Installers
I have been using PC-Install to install my MC program from a CD. I have been unhappy with it in that the documentation leaves a LOT to be desired, and some commands just don't seem to work. Now, it bombs whenever I try to run Version 7. I wanted to download the software and reinstall it but I find that the original company 20-20 Software is no longer there and Symantec now has the product and it is discontinued. Thus I am looking for a new installer. Any recommendations? My requirements are: 1) priced around $300 or lower, 2) no royalty fees, 3) installs to Windows 95/98/NT and preferably 2000, 4) reliable and straightforward to use. On Mac we use Installer Vise, and on Windows we really like Wise Install. It's not cheap, but the one-time fee lets you do absolutely anything you'd ever want to do, all the way down to incremental patchers. Feature-wise, the only product I've seen that matches Wise Install is Install Shield, but Install Shield is so much harder to use well. Wise Install offers a wizard-like UI for those that prefer it, as well as a complete editor for every instruction if/when you need to work at that level. Best of both worlds. :) And to give credit where due: The folks at MindVision (makers of Installer Vise) won the Scott Raney Support Award for 2000 here in our office (Raney is, after all, the index by which all other support is measured). A great fella at MindVision was in the office on Martin Luther Kingday last year when I had a heckuva time making a patcher, and he kindly looked over my files and offered cogent and timely advise. Second-best support experience I've ever had (after my MetaCard support inquiries, of course). -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Opening windows behind
Hate to disagree but I only noticed the disadvantage of this Windows "feature". I have yet to hear the benefits. This is one of the standard windowing models described in the Windows Human Interface Guidelines because it allows document windows to be more closely associated (both visually and behaviorally) with the application they belong to. Which doesn't necessarily makes that association intuitive or even necessary. Basically it obliges one to have one window opened at time be able to use it, or have the main window take over the entire desktop. Doesn't mean that if it's in the books it must be right, does it? In this case, that's true more often than not: Much of Microsoft's HIG is borrowed from Apple's, which, at the time it was written, was based on a lot of great UI research (see "Tog on Interface" for some of the stories of Apple's old UI lab, disbanded under Amelio and never reinstated by Jobs, which is how we got to the beautiful but questionable Aqua). (And to be fair, Microsoft does have the most well-funded UI research facility in the world; sadly, many of their designs must be different from their findings due to legal restrictrictions as part of the outcome of the Apple-Microsoft suit.) But even heuristically, the MDI bears merit as at least an option for designers. And remember, it's only one of three primary windowing schemes described in the Win HIG, so there are choices. Looking at the MDI, it doesn't require maximizing to cover the monitor any more than a single-window UI. In both cases there are times when you want it mazimized, and times when you don't, and easy controls to toggle that. But moreover, aside from the clear benefits of designing apps for both Mac and Windows for the designer, the user benefits as well, esp. in contexts where it is likely the user will want to have multiple documents open, as in Word. By having the documents share a common layer visually and behaviorally, the functional relationship between the documents (copy and paste between them, perform searches across documents, etc.) is strongly reinforced. By contrast, with a MetaCard-based app it is possible to have two document windows which belong to the same process running in very different layers, with another process window in between them. This is only true on Windows of course (Linux too?), as on Mac the unified layer is enforced by the OS. In cases where an application may have document windows with very different look and controls, it may be confusing to have them operating in different layers, seeming as it would that they might belong to different active processes. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Valentina 1.8.7 Introduces Java, MacOS X REALbasic, Shockwave
on 19/1/01 23:35, Richard Gaskin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Scott, why not add a notices page to the MetaCard list so people can post their product releases to it? This is not this first time I get spammed in the list (lets call it what it is), it's only going to get worse before it gets better. On the other hand, it's nice to get information about Metacard-related products. We're not exactly swamped with them. :) However, the press-release style probably doesn't make many friends on a list like this. Something written specifically for Metacard developers would be nicer. Personally, I like MetaCard-related product notices here. Yes, I think a summary of the release with a URL to the full text would be a better read here, but even more so would be when a release i actually related to MetaCard: I saw RealBASIC in the release notice, but did I miss the mention about new features that enhance its operation in MetaCard? 1) Well, usually our releases contains at least paragraph where all supported APIs are listed. 2) If consider last release that for MetaCard developers important information is: a) Valentina application is not Carbon ready (i.e. works on X) This is important because Valentina APP is something like FileMaker, it allow you easy browse your database and modify db structure. b) new release of Valentina product line have go out. Full list of fixed bugs can be found in downloadable archive. --- To put balsam on heart of MetaCard developers I want say: 1) We have spend 2 hard months to enable Valentina database engine for MetaCard as on Windows so on MAC. 2) the most hard was implement Valentina XCMD as fast as possible. We have made 3 big remake of VXCMD to reach speed which satisfy me and allow shine to Valentina engine. 3) MetaCard works with VXCMD several times faster than other xCards. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin - Paradigma. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web : http://www.paradigmasoft.com To subscribe to the Valentina mail list send a letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
RE: Connection Speed
ME :-( but if anyone feels generous enough to buy me ADSL I'd be ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Simon Lord Sent: Saturday, 20 January 2001 4:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Connection Speed I have a question for everyone - how many people are still using a 56K modem? I take my cable connection for granted, it's simply on all the time (great!). This does have to do with MetaCard in general, you can reply directly to me if you wish. -- Cheers, Simon All your .com .net and .org domains for only $14.50 each. Get them while they last... http://www.amigo-3.com/hosting/ -- "The great discoveries in science are not punctuated by 'Eureka! I've found it!' but rather "Hmmm,that's funny" Isaac Asimov Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
RE: Installers
Install Maker is free and light. Get it from www.clickteam.com. Pay $50 if you don't want an add at the end. Wizard interface makes it easy but there are limitations to what you can do with it. It also zip's your app down quite well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 20 January 2001 3:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Installers This is a bit off topic but I know many MetaCard developers have to address this issue. I have been using PC-Install to install my MC program from a CD. I have been unhappy with it in that the documentation leaves a LOT to be desired, and some commands just don't seem to work. Now, it bombs whenever I try to run Version 7. I wanted to download the software and reinstall it but I find that the original company 20-20 Software is no longer there and Symantec now has the product and it is discontinued. Thus I am looking for a new installer. Any recommendations? My requirements are: 1) priced around $300 or lower, 2) no royalty fees, 3) installs to Windows 95/98/NT and preferably 2000, 4) reliable and straightforward to use. Any suggestions would be most helpful. Philip Chumbley Dr. Philip E. Chumbley, Scientific-Atlanta, Inc., 1251 Frontenac Road, Naperville, IL 60563 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Opening windows behind
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But moreover, aside from the clear benefits of designing apps for both Mac and Windows for the designer, the user benefits as well, esp. in contexts where it is likely the user will want to have multiple documents open, as in Word. By having the documents share a common layer visually and behaviorally, the functional relationship between the documents (copy and paste between them, perform searches across documents, etc.) is strongly reinforced. By contrast, with a MetaCard-based app it is possible to have two document windows which belong to the same process running in very different layers, with another process window in between them. This is only true on Windows of course (Linux too?), as on Mac the unified layer is enforced by the OS. There are exceptions to this "rule", of course, the Windows Desktop Explorer (the Finder equivalent) being the most obvious of these. Nevertheless, I certainly agree that support for MDI windows in MetaCard is a high priority. In fact, this was on the to-do list for the next release, but unfortunately is one of the things that got pushed back in order to get a release for OS X out in a timely manner. Still, it shouldn't be an interminable wait before we get this implemented. Regards, Scott PS: thanks to andu for the X-on-Darwin pointer (though the URL is actually the clever contraction "darwinfo.org"). The package was released exactly a month ago today, but I must have missed it in the holiday rush. I'll download it and have a stab at doing a port this weekend ;-) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Connection Speed
I have a question for everyone - how many people are still using a 56K modem? I take my cable connection for granted, it's simply on all the time (great!). 94%. In less fortunate places (eastern Europe) the infrastructure can only handle 28k. Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Connection Speed
I have a question for everyone - how many people are still using a 56K modem? I will be stuck at low baud rates into the future, it seems. DSL will never be an option for me -- our house is too far from the CO, I've tried to get it twice. Cable access is not offered in our neighborhood and won't be for a very long time -- the only cable company here is starting their installations in the suburbs and won't be providing access to the inner city for a long time. I have an ISDN connection that only runs on one channel (64K) -- which isn't much better than 56K. I am considering downgrading my phone line to a plain residential line and getting a 56K modem, since it will save me a lot of money and the difference in connection speed is negligible. Don't assume even all the techies have broadband. ;) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | 612-724-1596 Custom hypermedia solutions| http://www.hyperactivesw.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Connection Speed
Amen! Sitting here in the middle of West Palm Beach, surrounded by Adelphia cable subscribers and billboards for DSL service, I *still* am stuck with a 56k modem. I simply can't get anything in my apartment- and it's a relatively new place. Heck, it took me two months to get the phone lines fixed so I wouldn't get disconnected every 30 minutes! And in 3 months I'll be moving on to a new place where DSL and cable haven't reached either... I've just had to give up an figure someday down the road I'll get something better. Maybe it's time for city life. Nah... Brian I will be stuck at low baud rates into the future, it seems. DSL will never be an option for me -- our house is too far from the CO, I've tried to get it twice. Cable access is not offered in our neighborhood and won't be for a very long time -- the only cable company here is starting their installations in the suburbs and won't be providing access to the inner city for a long time. I have an ISDN connection that only runs on one channel (64K) -- which isn't much better than 56K. I am considering downgrading my phone line to a plain residential line and getting a 56K modem, since it will save me a lot of money and the difference in connection speed is negligible. Don't assume even all the techies have broadband. ;) Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
GURLGURL - found the answer
Here's the deal with the GURLGURL Apple event not working in OS 9.1: As of OS 9.1, the Standard Additions OSAX lib file are now dependent on the Security Library extension being loaded. If the Security Library extension is turned off, the Standard Additions will not load, and hence GURLGURL will fail. Hope that saves someone else some of the headache I went through tracking that down (of course I found the answer through a third-party site -- I could find none of Apple's online-published docs for OS 9.1, developer or lay, which addresses this issue). -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
