Re: IDE v2.6.12

[xavier . bury]

in addition win32's shortcuts dont work
either ;(



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 17/02/2006
09:44:27:

> I meant to mention this for some time but it keeps escaping me and
I 
> haven't had time to verify whether this was adressed in the newest

> IDE. When plugin manager tries to open a stack via alias and the file

> the alias points to is missing, a crash may occur. There should be
a 
> check added. I think something like
> 
> if there is a file (the aliasReference of file plguinfilepath)
> 
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Re: MC 2.7

[xavier . bury]

Hi Chipp

Im not saying it must be a rev app.
But opening MC made tools in terminal services or metaframes
where the bitdepth is not 24/32 creates
horrible unpredicable color changes at any time - while this
is ok for administrative tools which
only i use, it can't be ok for enterprise users.

The latest issue i reported on the list
with crashes when reading files when theres a windows API 
timeout retrieving the files is another
issue im very concerned with. Bugzilla in the making but a new
phase of testing is underway.

I've been using Enterprise MetaCard
since 1999. I refused to update to rev due to the lack of 
ntevents reported on faults and crashes.
I do update the engine from rev but i cannot afford to
add further risks in my applications
(they are used daily to make critical migrations of banking data)
and i see lots of unexpected crashes
at home in the rev IDE which make me skeptical that it's 
worth the update. I will update when
i think it's solid enough... But it's still not the case.

cheers
Xavier


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16.02.2006
10:00:01:

> X,
> 
> Why couldn't you release an MC app to any of your 3000 users? I don't

> understand. Are you saying it must be a Rev app?
> 
> It's also not clear from your message whether or not you ARE an 
> Enterprise user. As Richard stated earlier, only Enterprise users
can 
> upgrade with MC or have access to the Improve List where beta testing

> takes place.
> 
> best,
> 
> Chipp
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > If i update to Rev enterprise (peanuts money for my company -
not for my 
> > personal license though), i still have 1 case that is since 1999
blamed 
> > on windows drivers when the fault is clearly in rev/mc engine.
> > That was later posted as bugzilla 1076... For the life of me,
i couldn't 
> > release a metacard based software to any of our 3000 users in
the 
> > company since we all use terminal services or metaframe servers...
> 



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Re: MC 2.7

[xavier . bury]

This was in early 2005... I seriously
dont remember.

I know i was asked to get in then removed
without consideration. Given all the bugzillas i wrote from 2004 until
mid 2005 I never got ever aknowledged
despite repeated requests to support,
i seriously gave up requesting anything from support who usually responded
with the lamest excuses (sorry, that's
how this customer felt).

Despite repeated and direct exchanges
with Kevin, the same mistakes keep coming - not that Kevin answered often.
Not that these weren't repeated in Monterey by Dan - and later aknowledged
with some bugzilla feedback... It was but too late and too little in my
opinion. meanwhile useless for business graphics are more bugs are introduced...


What's the use? Hundreds of hours in
their benefit entering bugzillas, repeating the issues to hopefully someone
who could direct their processes and quality and then being ignored up
to this release
is not my responsibility to fix.

If i update to Rev enterprise (peanuts
money for my company - not for my personal license though), i still have
1 case that is since 1999 blamed on windows drivers when the fault is clearly
in rev/mc engine. 
That was later posted as bugzilla 1076...
For the life of me, i couldn't release a metacard based software to any
of our 3000 users in the company since we all use terminal services or
metaframe servers... 

Superb isn't it?!

i just lost the hope that my help or
critiques could help... 

cheers
Xavier


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16.02.2006
09:11:54:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > For some reason, and after lots of asking my studio license was
inserted 
> > in the list.
> > 
> > Then it was removed by Heather - and she never looked if i wasn't
also an 
> > enterprise user.
> 
> People make mistakes, and cross-referencing every license holder may
not 
> be the top priority on her mind during a release cycle.
> 
> What did she say when you wrote to her with your Enterprise license

> asking to be reinstated?
> 
> That is, you _did_ write her, yes?
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Re: MC 2.7

[xavier . bury]

For some reason, and after lots of asking
my studio license was inserted in the list.

Then it was removed by Heather - and
she never looked if i wasn't also an enterprise user.

It's not like i haven't already logged
10% of all open bugzillas either...

im seriously displeased at this level
-=---------
Xavier Bury


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16.02.2006
08:32:56:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > As an enterprise user, i never got a wiff of a test cycle or
beta 
> > release...
> 
> As an Enterprise user you should be on the Improve list, where we've

> been working with the new version in pre-release form since early
last 
> month.
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Re: MC 2.7

[xavier . bury]

As an enterprise user, i never got a
wiff of a test cycle or beta release...

in my 3 days of testing i logged 6 bugs
already - 2 of which are bloquers!
-=-
Xavier Bury


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16.02.2006
08:13:12:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi Richard,
> > 
> > Not your fault, it's mine. 
> > 
> > Im at fault for hijacking the subject to rev. I thought it important
to 
> > make the point to the wider audience - mostly PC users who will
be 
> > seriously disapointed at the apparent lack of testing in 2.7
for winXP.
> 
> I believe it was available to us for more than a month. How many bugs

> were you able to log during the testing cycle?
> 
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Re: MC 2.7

[xavier . bury]

Hi Richard,

Not your fault, it's mine. 

Im at fault for hijacking the subject
to rev. I thought it important to make the point to the wider audience
- mostly PC users who will be seriously disapointed at the apparent lack
of testing in 2.7 for winXP.

cheers
Xavier Bury


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16.02.2006
07:27:29:

> MisterX wrote:
> > Sims said
> > 
> >>>> I'm planning on sticking with 2.6.1 until at least
a 
> >> version or two of upgrades are announced.
> > 
> >>> Rev 2.6.1 for at least a week (if not more).
> >>> TEST TEST TEST, then sell.
> >>>
> > 
> > This feels more like the microsoft software release process -
release, sell
> > THEN fix... 
> > 
> > I too am reverting to 2.6. It's pretty obvious that 2.7 was NOT

> > tested on windows as it should have.
> 
> As a tester who's been too wrapped up meeting client deadlines, I
feel 
> partially reponsible.
> 
> But I'm writing mostly to try to determine how this thread went from

> being only on the MC list to also being on the Rev list?
> 
> Is it a glitch in the server, or in one of the contributors to this
thread?
> 
> I'll have to be extra careful, since I tend to feel a bit more free
on 
> this smaller MC list, and try to exercise a little more careful 
> judgement on the much bigger Rev list.
> 
> In the future, if someone decides to expand a thread to include another

> list I think it would be good form to note that in the message.
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8 bit screen problems on windows

[xavier . bury]

Hi everyone

I have a minor problem that is getting worse and worse.

I use Metacard (soon to be updated since the new MC
engine may not work with our old license) and no matter what version i
use i keep getting this problem.

The problem happens always on terminal services (NT4,
NT2000, NT2003) or citrix based (NT4, NT2000, or XP) servers all of which
are set on 8 bit video for network performance. We have over 4GBs of ram,
4 CPUs so it is not a feeble server... 

Even though i dont use images (i cant tell you how
bad the MC startup screen or the MC color chooser looks...) but now the
problem is that i get color changes in display AND ONLY IN MC anytime
this does not affect any other programs... 

I wont buy either any BOFH BS regarding our video
driver problems since ONLY MC is affected.

The problem is that it happens anytime and the displays,
text or colored controls are unreadeable... The stacks open correctly when
begin the session and it switches ANYTIME without reason...

Can anyone elucidate this? Is there a solution coming?
Bugzilla was already entered, bug was reported to Scott Raney 6 years ago,
and it is still happening... For an enterprise tool, this is really really
starting to look bad... 

Thanks for any help or pointers

Regards
Xavier
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RE: Network Help - more

[Xavier Bury]

HKLM (the regedit abbrev) is only local to your machine but changing the
other keys will not affect the network! Rather, it's the network system that
will change your keys.

If you want a special file association spread out, you'll have to include it
into the login script to add the missing key. Ask your domain admin or
consult www.ntfaq.com.

Another solution would be to write it when your program runs BUT, if the
user is not admin of his workstation or the policy forbids the users to
change their registries (which it should), then it's back to the login
script.

Concerning the slashes and quotes and command

use this script in your startup (unless it's for Macs of course) (please
correct if im wrong but it works between NT and 95x.

on CheckShellPlatform
  if (the platform = "win32") and (word 1 of the systemversion is "windows")
then
set the shellcommand to "command.com"
  else
set the shellcommand to "cmd.exe"
  end if
end CheckShellPlatform

and if there is a space in a name in an NTFS volume you'll have to enclose
the string in quotes like this. I dont remember having problems with the /
or \.

Normally, this does the job:
get "dir c:\"

But here, there is a folder/shared folder with a space in it:

get "dir" && quote & "\\server\share test" & quote
get shell(it)



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Monte Goulding
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 8:35 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Network Help - more
>
>
>
> Thanks I keep forgetting that. Probably due to the fact that it hasn't
> caused any errors thus far. I'm not sure that it's the only problem though
> because it's been working fine like that for quite some time.
> It's ony when
> the laptop gets onto the network that there's a problem. Does
> HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT work store the same info for every user or is this user
> specific. I'd like to have file tipes registered across all users of the
> machine so is that what HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\CLASSES is for?
>
> >
> >
> > You'll also need to change "/" to "\" in your dIcon, dIcon2 and
> > sCom strings.
> > Phil
> >
> > Monte Goulding wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I have a rather obscure problem: (probably one of many but this
> > one has to
> > > do with MC)
> > > - I developed a program that has custom file type for windows
> > > - The program was installed on a laptop running NT while it was on the
> > > network
> > > - When the laptop is not on the network the program works fine
> > > - When the laptop is on the network the following problems occur
> > >  ~ Files can not be seen by the open file dialog (The files
> can be seen
> > > using explorer)
> > >  ~ Problems finding a stack that is another custom file type as
> > a stackfile
> > > ot the standalone
> > > - When the laptop is not on the network the shortcuts
> disapear from the
> > > desktop and start menu but the program works OK if you open it
> > from program
> > > files.
> > >
> > > Question Is there and problem with the following install script
> > >
> > > theF contains the directory of the standalone
> > >
> > > put theF & "/Trakperformance.exe","1" into dIcon
> > > put theF & "/Trakadd.ico","0" into dIcon2
> > > put quote & theF & "/Trakperformance.exe" & quote & "%1" into sCom
> > > get setRegistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.trak\", "Trakperformance")
> > > get setRegistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Trakperformance\",
> > "Tracking Files")
> > > get
> > setRegistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Trakperformance\DefaultIcon\", dIcon)
> > > get
> > setRegistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Trakperformance\shell\open\command\",
> > > sCom)
> > > get setRegistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.trakadd\",
> > "Trakperformance.Addin")
> > > get setRegistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Trakperformance.Addin\",
> > > "Trakperformance Add-in")
> > > get
> > setRegistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Trakperformance.Addin\DefaultIcon\",
> > > dIcon2)
> > >
> > > If there is no problem with this what about if the user logs in
> > as someone
> > > else or logs into a network?  Will metacard still recognise
> > these files or
> > > do the file types need to be regisetered on the network? If so
> > how do I do
> > > it?
> > >
> > > This is a major problem for me so if anyone knows anything it
> > could save my
> > > ass.
> > >
> > > Thanks all
> > >
> > > Monte
> > >
> > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/
> > > Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm
> > > Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
> >
> > --
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> >
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> >
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RE: List Netiquette

[Xavier Bury]

This is one of my favorite subjects...
Email Wording Optimizing = Pleasure in reading or finding.
Less crap = better mail list!

I dont know about you but... I definitely prefer having the scripts in the
email!
Finding pleasure! Copy paste !

What I dont like is when that same scripting is repeated over and over in
the thread! Be responsible, dont waste bandwidth! And you'll have lots less
to read!

X
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Trekkers work out at the He's Dead Gym.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of michael kann
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 1:55 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: List Netiquette
>
>
>
> --- Let me paraphrase R|diger zu Dohna
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> 1. Subject -- don't make the subject the whole digest
>-- make the subject meaningful
> 2. Length -- put your code on a webpage
>   -- refer to it there
> 3. Quoting -- just enough to keep thread
> 4. HTML -- keep it out of email
>
> -- Additional comments
>
> I would like to see a mention of the platform (Mac,
> Windows, Unix/Linux) at the beginning of most
> questions.
>
> -- Gratitude is wonderful, but to top off a long quote
> with "Thanks to everyone" is not.
>
> How's my netiquette? Michael Kann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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RE: Installers

[Xavier Bury]

Dude,

If you write a program with MC then you can write your own installer!

here's the autorun.inf file you put at the root of your cdrom

[autorun]
OPEN=INSTALL.BAT
ICON=project.ico

To copy files, run a hidden DOS shell window!

install.bat

REM GRP:Proj.Lim
REM Cat:Limbu
REM Object: Limbu INSTALLER
REM Author: Xavier Bury

REM Version: 1.0

REM Modified: 20001602
REM Created: 20001602


ECHO OFF
if EXIST c:\myproject\ goto Update

 echo Installation du Tarif Limbu en cours
 xcopy .\myproject\*.* c:\myproject\ /v /s /e

 if errorlevel 4 goto ErrorMemory
 if errorlevel 2 goto ErrorCancelled
 if errorlevel 0 goto endinstall

  goto unlockfiles

:Update
 echo Mise a jour de fichier en cours
 copy .\myproject\*.* c:\myproject\ /v

 if errorlevel 4 goto ErrorMemory
 if errorlevel 2 goto ErrorCancelled
 if errorlevel 0 goto endinstall

goto unlockfiles


:ErrorMemory
  echo Not enough memory
  goto endinstall

:ErrorCancelled
  echo User aborted
  goto endinstall

:unlockfiles
 ATTRIB -r c:\myproject\*.* /S

:endinstall
exit

or...
have MC read the file, then write the file elsewhere!
Whichever it is, it shouldn't be hard to adapt to NT, changing drives,
editing autoexe.bat, etc...

The only MetaCard documentation you will ever need while scripting is the
index in the help menu of the mctool bar. Type object, property or function
to start with! Check out also open, write, directory, shell, etc... It's the
best reference for MC. There's more help pages at xworlds.com too! soon at
runrev.com i guess... The site is looking cooler at each change!

hope it helps before it's obsolete!

X going OS!
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 5:55 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Installers
>
>
>
> This is a bit off topic but I know many MetaCard developers have
> to address this issue.
>
> I have been using PC-Install to install my MC program from a CD.
> I have been unhappy with it in that the documentation leaves a
> LOT to be desired, and some commands just don't seem to work.
> Now, it bombs whenever I try to run Version 7.  I wanted to
> download the software and reinstall it but I find that the
> original company 20-20 Software is no longer there and Symantec
> now has the product and it is discontinued.  Thus I am looking
> for a new installer.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> My requirements are:  1) priced around $300 or lower,  2) no
> royalty fees,  3) installs to Windows 95/98/NT and preferably
> 2000,  4) reliable and straightforward to use.
>
> Any suggestions would be most helpful.
>
> Philip Chumbley
>
> Dr. Philip E. Chumbley, Scientific-Atlanta, Inc., 1251 Frontenac
> Road, Naperville, IL 60563
>
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RE: FromSocketToField

[Xavier Bury]

Thanks Hassan (that's your 1st name i hope!)
Good show! Simple scripts are the best!

As for your question about reading multiple sockets,
it should be no problem at all. There are two ways to do it...

PreParsed: Open your sockets with different messages according to different
sockets (ip's and/or ports)
or
Post-parsed: With the same message, you could compare the ips or ports to
handle the different messages.
or
Merry-Parsed: You even have a third option to parse different talks/messages
between the client(s) and server(s) to do for example a mix of both ftp,
http and email or what have you...
or
Unparsable: Cotton sockets are better for snowboarding

Am i wrong? Other concepts?

Sun Tzu said, "there are five notes of music
yet their combinations are infinite"

Merry seasonings!
Dont drink and drive, you might spill!
Xavier

> Hi Xavier,  here is the script i have learned and
> modified from a lot of what have been posted
> previously on this list.  This is a great list with a
> lot of kind, cooperative helpful people.  hope you can
> use it somehow.  it works on a one machine(client) to
> a server test.  haven't tried with more than that.
> let us/me know if you try it with more.  (can anyone
> show how to do this with more than one open socket?)
>
> Here's how it works:
> The client send some data/text to the server, and get
> the message that the data has been/has not been
> received at certain time of the day.  At the same
> time, the client will get to see back almost
> immediately the latest update of data on the server.
>
> The server reads/accept the the data/text that is sent
> by the client.  What you do/process with the data/text
> is up to you then.  It sent the latest update back to
> the client just to show that the new data has been
> added.
>
> Here's the script:
>
> on the client side:
>
> on mouseUp
>   open socket to "1.1.1.1:8080" with message gotcha
>   --change 1.1.1.1 to the appropriate server address
> end mouseUp
>
> on gotcha s
>   put field "a" into var1
>   (--text to be sent to server)
>   write var1 & crlf & (the long time) to socket s
>
>   (--reading feedback from the server)
>   read from socket s until empty
>   put it into field "b"
>
>   if last line of field "b"  = "RESULT OK"&&the date
>   then
> put "Data sent successfully at:."&the long time
> after the last line of field "b"
> put "Looks like we are online at"&&(the long time)
>   else
> answer "Looks like the server is not responding."
>   end if
>   close socket s
> end gotcha
>
>
>
> On the server side:
>
> on openCard
>   accept connections on port 8080 with message
> "newconnect"
>   if the result is not empty then put the result
>   checkData
> end openCard
>
> on checkData
>   put field 1 into field "b"
>   send "checkData" to this card in 1 seconds
> end checkData
>
> on newconnect s
>   read from socket s until empty
>   (--text sent from the client)
>   put it into fld 1
>   put field 1 into var2
>   write var2&cr&cr&"RESULT OK " && the date to socket
> s
>   (--to show back to the client the latest update sent
>to the server)
> close socket s
> end newconnect
>
> feel free to add/modified and it will be great if it
> can be posted back to the list.
>
> cheers.-rosli
>
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RE: FromSocketToField

[Xavier Bury]

figures
Thanks Andu!

Now on to find what that Q3 server expects!

Merry Xmas to all!
Xavier

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of andu
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:41 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: FromSocketToField
>
>
> >
> >I did look it up, and like it, i tried to get first a read from
> the server.
> >
> >But then why do i get an error and what does that error mean?
> >
> >Should I look it up in the technet or is this a MetaCard error code?
> >
> >I've tried many times before with the write and neither got an answer...
> >I know for sure it works cause a friend made it work...
> >He wont give me his code so im trying...
>
> In what way it works, I still don't understand what you expect to
> read from a server as
> soon as you open a connection to it? Some servers (mail) acknowledge a new
> connection , others need some input.
>
> >
> >> >
> >> >Andu,
> >> >
> >> >I tried and failed again...
> >> >
> >> >on mouseUp
> >> >  put "" into fld "socketresult"
> >> >  put fld "url" &":"&fld "port" into theurl
> >> >  open socket theurl with message "readmore"
> >> >end mouseUp
> >> >
> >> >on readmore socketOpen
> >> >  put "reading socket" && socketOpen
> >> >  read from socket socketOpen for 1024 with message "dataHasArrived"
> >> >end readmore
> >>
> >> What do you xpect to read from the socket? Try writing a request
> >> or something and *then
> >> read the reply. Someone posted a script here the other day for
> >> ftp uploads I think, look it
> >> up in the archives to see an example of comunication with ftp server.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >on dataHasArrived socketOpen, tData
> >> >  beep
> >> >  put "data has arrived"
> >> >  put tData into fld "data"
> >> >  Close socket socketopen
> >> >end dataHasArrived
> >> >
> >> >all i get is
> >> >SocketError:212.166.2.96:21 Error 10057 reading socket
> >> >I tried port 21 FTP, 80 (HTTP)
> >> >and 27961, 27963 (Quake 3 servers)
> >> >
> >> >and I get only errors 10057
> >> >Im sure im missing something... can someone help?
> >> >
> >> >TIA
> >> >Cheers,
> >> >Xavier
> >> >
> >> >> -Original Message-
> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of andu
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:20 PM
> >> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> Subject: Re: FromSocketToField
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I have the following script in a btn:
> >> >> >---
> >> >> >read from socket "127.0.0.1:9980" for 1024 with
> >> >> >message "dataHasArrived"
> >> >>
> >> >> on dataHasArrived socketOpen, tData
> >> >> put tData into fld 1
> >> >> end dataHasArrived
> >> >>
> >> >> Also you can just do:
> >> >> read from socket "127.0.0.1:9980" for 1024
> >> >> put it into fld 1
> >> >>
> >> >> Remember to open the socket before reading from it and to close
> >> >> it when you are done
> >> >> reading.
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I click on the btn, then send some data from another
> >> >> >stack to the recieving stack. How do I make the data
> >> >> >appear in a fld in the receiving stack?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>From the reference:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The "read from socket" command is used to read data
> >> >> >from a socket. Sockets are always opened in binary
> >> >> >mode and so any required data conversion must be done
> >> >> >in scripts.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Could anyone kindly supply one of the "scripts" that
> >> >> >the reference mentions?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Thank you, Michael Kann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >__
> >> >> >Do You Yahoo!?
> >> >> >Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.
> >> >> >http://shopping.yahoo.com/
> >> >> >
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> >> >> >
> >> >> >.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards, Andu
> >> >> ___
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> >> >>
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> >> >.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards, Andu
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RE: FromSocketToField

[Xavier Bury]

I did look it up, and like it, i tried to get first a read from the server. 

But then why do i get an error and what does that error mean? 

Should I look it up in the technet or is this a MetaCard error code?

I've tried many times before with the write and neither got an answer... 
I know for sure it works cause a friend made it work... 
He wont give me his code so im trying... 

> >
> >Andu,
> >
> >I tried and failed again...
> >
> >on mouseUp
> >  put "" into fld "socketresult"
> >  put fld "url" &":"&fld "port" into theurl
> >  open socket theurl with message "readmore"
> >end mouseUp
> >
> >on readmore socketOpen
> >  put "reading socket" && socketOpen
> >  read from socket socketOpen for 1024 with message "dataHasArrived"
> >end readmore
> 
> What do you xpect to read from the socket? Try writing a request 
> or something and *then
> read the reply. Someone posted a script here the other day for 
> ftp uploads I think, look it
> up in the archives to see an example of comunication with ftp server.
> 
> >
> >on dataHasArrived socketOpen, tData
> >  beep
> >  put "data has arrived"
> >  put tData into fld "data"
> >  Close socket socketopen
> >end dataHasArrived
> >
> >all i get is 
> >SocketError:212.166.2.96:21 Error 10057 reading socket
> >I tried port 21 FTP, 80 (HTTP)
> >and 27961, 27963 (Quake 3 servers)
> >
> >and I get only errors 10057
> >Im sure im missing something... can someone help?
> >
> >TIA
> >Cheers,
> >Xavier
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of andu
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:20 PM
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: FromSocketToField
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >
> >> >I have the following script in a btn:
> >> >---
> >> >read from socket "127.0.0.1:9980" for 1024 with
> >> >message "dataHasArrived"
> >> 
> >> on dataHasArrived socketOpen, tData
> >> put tData into fld 1
> >> end dataHasArrived
> >> 
> >> Also you can just do: 
> >> read from socket "127.0.0.1:9980" for 1024
> >> put it into fld 1
> >> 
> >> Remember to open the socket before reading from it and to close 
> >> it when you are done
> >> reading.
> >> 
> >> >
> >> >I click on the btn, then send some data from another
> >> >stack to the recieving stack. How do I make the data
> >> >appear in a fld in the receiving stack?
> >> >
> >> >>From the reference:
> >> >
> >> >The "read from socket" command is used to read data
> >> >from a socket. Sockets are always opened in binary
> >> >mode and so any required data conversion must be done
> >> >in scripts.  
> >> >
> >> >Could anyone kindly supply one of the "scripts" that
> >> >the reference mentions?
> >> >
> >> >Thank you, Michael Kann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >__
> >> >Do You Yahoo!?
> >> >Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.
> >> >http://shopping.yahoo.com/
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Regards, Andu 
> >> ___
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> 
> 
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RE: FromSocketToField

[Xavier Bury]

Andu,

I tried and failed again...

on mouseUp
  put "" into fld "socketresult"
  put fld "url" &":"&fld "port" into theurl
  open socket theurl with message "readmore"
end mouseUp

on readmore socketOpen
  put "reading socket" && socketOpen
  read from socket socketOpen for 1024 with message "dataHasArrived"
end readmore

on dataHasArrived socketOpen, tData
  beep
  put "data has arrived"
  put tData into fld "data"
  Close socket socketopen
end dataHasArrived

all i get is 
SocketError:212.166.2.96:21 Error 10057 reading socket
I tried port 21 FTP, 80 (HTTP)
and 27961, 27963 (Quake 3 servers)

and I get only errors 10057
Im sure im missing something... can someone help?

TIA
Cheers,
Xavier

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of andu
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:20 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: FromSocketToField
> 
> 
> >
> >I have the following script in a btn:
> >---
> >read from socket "127.0.0.1:9980" for 1024 with
> >message "dataHasArrived"
> 
> on dataHasArrived socketOpen, tData
> put tData into fld 1
> end dataHasArrived
> 
> Also you can just do: 
> read from socket "127.0.0.1:9980" for 1024
> put it into fld 1
> 
> Remember to open the socket before reading from it and to close 
> it when you are done
> reading.
> 
> >
> >I click on the btn, then send some data from another
> >stack to the recieving stack. How do I make the data
> >appear in a fld in the receiving stack?
> >
> >>From the reference:
> >
> >The "read from socket" command is used to read data
> >from a socket. Sockets are always opened in binary
> >mode and so any required data conversion must be done
> >in scripts.  
> >
> >Could anyone kindly supply one of the "scripts" that
> >the reference mentions?
> >
> >Thank you, Michael Kann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> >__
> >Do You Yahoo!?
> >Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.
> >http://shopping.yahoo.com/
> >
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> >.
> 
> 
> Regards, Andu 
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RE: OK... I know what the problem was

[Xavier Bury]

Metaframe from citrix is a windows environment running of a server serving
metaframe clients - each of which could be running an NT session for
example. To reduce network usage, it's best to reduce colors to 8 bits. It
works just like NT would, well, almost...

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Monte Goulding
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 10:27 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: OK... I know what the problem was
>
>
> What is metaframe and is there an mc function to return the color
> bit level?
> Sorry for my ignorance.
>
> Regards
>
> Monte
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Xavier Bury
> Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2000 7:55 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: OK... I know what the problem was
>
>
> i have reported the same kind of problems using metaframe (8bit
> color) when
> transfering the stacks developped with my NT4 workstation (24 bit
> color). My
> problem was the shading of the fields would go away. The only solution was
> to change the field's style from Scrolling to Rect and back to
> Scrolling and
> then it would be OK...
>
> so developping first for a lower grade pc is the best way to go in these
> cases... not normal but we have to deal with it... Im 100% sure that Macs
> shouldn't be affected with this, it seems more like a windows
> feature - like
> the 16 color lousy icons.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Monte Goulding
> > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 6:15 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: OK... I know what the problem was
> >
> >
> > Whew... he says as he wipes the sweat from his brow ;-\
> >
> > The problem was that I had developed the program in true 16 bit
> or 32 bit
> > color and the laptop was set to 256 colors. Has anyone got a
> > workaround for
> > this problem or do you just specify that the program needs 16 bit
> > color? Why
> > where images visible but button icons not? Seems a bit strange to me.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Monte
> >
> >
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RE: OK... I know what the problem was

[Xavier Bury]

i have reported the same kind of problems using metaframe (8bit color) when
transfering the stacks developped with my NT4 workstation (24 bit color). My
problem was the shading of the fields would go away. The only solution was
to change the field's style from Scrolling to Rect and back to Scrolling and
then it would be OK...

so developping first for a lower grade pc is the best way to go in these
cases... not normal but we have to deal with it... Im 100% sure that Macs
shouldn't be affected with this, it seems more like a windows feature - like
the 16 color lousy icons.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Monte Goulding
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 6:15 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: OK... I know what the problem was
>
>
> Whew... he says as he wipes the sweat from his brow ;-\
>
> The problem was that I had developed the program in true 16 bit or 32 bit
> color and the laptop was set to 256 colors. Has anyone got a
> workaround for
> this problem or do you just specify that the program needs 16 bit
> color? Why
> where images visible but button icons not? Seems a bit strange to me.
>
> Regards
>
> Monte
>
>
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RE: Template for script editor

[Xavier Bury]

 you basically have to do the following...

but it's dangerous... only work on copies...
It even works with 10 line license (Aren't MetaCard's Developpers totally
cool or what?).

open mctools
choose the tools menu, choose Control Browser.

When Resource Mover comes...
choose the "script editor 1"
edit script

The hard way...
in the msg box type
open "script editor 1"
modify...
do save as another stack (like a mainstack)

make a copy in the finder/explorer

open the stack again
make it a substack of the mctools

voila!


> Is there a template we can modify for the script editor?  I would
> like to be
> able to change where the script editor first opens up.
>
> Larry Huisingh
>
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RE: replacetext and grep

[Xavier Bury]

i'll try again,

why does
 put replacetext(y,"$",tab) into y

not work at all
and

 put replacetext(y,".*$",tab) into y

replace ALL the text from the first font tag to the end of the file?

and
 put replacetext(y,"",tab) into y
still replace all the text to the end even though it's not supposed to go
beyond one tag...

i also tried with  and 

The strangest part is that I even separated EVERY tag with returns so that
each is sitting on one line.
This means that the "$" is not respecting something... I also tried with
escaping the character '\>'.

This is another one of these computer witchcraft things im sure...

Xavier


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Xavier Bury
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 7:16 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: replacetext and grep
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I thought I knew grep pretty well but i can't get it working!
>
> im trying to convert html tables to tab files...
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> with these script samples... to strip the garbage tags
>
>   put replacetext(y,"^$",empty) into y
>   put replacetext(y,"$","") into y
>   put replacetext(y,"",empty) into y
>
> none of these worked!
>
>   put replacetext(y,"",empty) into y
>
> will delete the whole document and with a $ sign at the end will not find
> the string!
>
> in all cases, if I remove the $, ALL the text after the first tag found is
> deleted down to the end of the document!
>
> adding the exclusion of [~<] didn't have an effect... (is it supported at
> all?)
>
> I am sure that there is not characters between the beginning or end of the
> line and the tag start or end.
>
> casesensitive global didn't change anything.
>
> i read the manual, and the xworlds tutorial pages but none helped...
>
> i know that grep changes from one app to another but this is out of my
> logic...
>
> thanks for any help from anyone!
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replacetext and grep

[Xavier Bury]

Hi guys,

I thought I knew grep pretty well but i can't get it working!

im trying to convert html tables to tab files...











with these script samples... to strip the garbage tags

  put replacetext(y,"^$",empty) into y
  put replacetext(y,"$","") into y
  put replacetext(y,"",empty) into y

none of these worked!

  put replacetext(y,"",empty) into y

will delete the whole document and with a $ sign at the end will not find
the string!

in all cases, if I remove the $, ALL the text after the first tag found is
deleted down to the end of the document!

adding the exclusion of [~<] didn't have an effect... (is it supported at
all?)

I am sure that there is not characters between the beginning or end of the
line and the tag start or end.

casesensitive global didn't change anything.

i read the manual, and the xworlds tutorial pages but none helped...

i know that grep changes from one app to another but this is out of my
logic...

thanks for any help from anyone!
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background confusion

[Xavier Bury]

i made a cool little stack. It has different cards for one background. After
I finished this bg, i made a menubar...
However when i switch cards in my first bg, the menu bar disappears... How
can I integrate the two? (Without putting the menubar in the first group
that is... or is that absolutely necessary?


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RE: About the cmc.exe engine

[Xavier Bury]

your question is not really complete...
what do you mean by mt scripts?
you dont need appache on nt4 if you install the option pack...
you'll have IIS...

can you clarify?

> Hi anybody,
>
> Does anyone use the win32 cmc.exe engine and if yes, what is the
> right config to
> use to get .mt scripts running (WinNT 4 sp5) with both Apache and
> IIS4 httpds ?
>
> Thank's for the help !
>
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RE: Windows 2000 & MetaCard

[Xavier Bury]

none problems to report!
not thouroughly tested as in NT4 though...
Absolutely NO problems to report from Win32 to NT problems other than a
silly fld color redraw problem (Win98/ME/TS to NT4SP5 or viceversa.. only)

i'll check tomorow if it happens on NT2k...

> Hi list,
> has anybody experience with MC and Windows 2000??
>
> are ther any problems?
>
> Regards,
>   Ernst
>
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RE: Version tracking

[Xavier Bury]

> Still open to other ideas, preferrably w/o modifying the MC system stacks.

you can always use an external file but that's really beyond the purpose of
having such a great system as MC. you can store the info as a prop as was
previously suggested and using a standard would assure upgrades... At least
you'll be sure no stupid user will remove the file and your stack go bananas
cause it's missing!

what version was i?

X =)


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RE: Version tracking

[Xavier Bury]

There is no save feature in MC - not like HC!
you just need to put a message handler

on closestack
  savestack - handle your versioning here
  pass closestack
end closestack

that's it... note your stack will be automatically saved in this way so you
might want to put a
answer "sure you want to save?" statement before...
and a
increase version? question if necessary...


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> Subject: Version tracking
>
>
> I want to build a system for automatically tracking version
> information for
> my stacks. What I'm thinking is storing version information in a property
> of the stack, and updating that information each time the stack is saved.
> But I don't see any way to intercept the save message (MC doesn't let you
> write an "on save" handler in your script). Is this possible? Has anyone
> else created a system for version tracking that they would share?
>
> TIA,
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>
>
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global coordinates v2.0

[Xavier Bury]

i dont know if this is a bug but this script just doesn't work the way it's
supposed to...
i've setup my home stack and mctools stack no more than horizontal 1 pixel
apart.
the loc of stack "mctools" = 242
the loc of stack "home" = 174

Is windows or metacard or my PC on logical LSD or something?

HELPP!
Xavier


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global coordinates

[Xavier Bury]

i dont know if this is a bug but this script just doesn't work the way it's
supposed to...

set the loc of stack "mctools" to "3,3"

puts half the MC window beyond the left edge of the screen.

what's up with that? (tested only on windows!)
did I miss something?
Xavier


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RE: talking to open programs

[Xavier Bury]

you might also consider Windows Scripting running through the cmd
but you'd be exposing the system to serious virus damage if unsafe...

i've tried it but never got any info back from the window so you
might want to redirect the output to a file.

> On 9/11/00 5:29 pm, Monte Goulding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I was wondering if there was any way to tell a currently open 
> process info.
> > Perhaps cange the url of a web page or open an new window. Is 
> this possible,
> > the web page seems to be able to send these messages via javascript.
> 
> If you opened the process from in MC, the openProcesses will list it.
> Otherwise, it might be possible to get this info using 
> AppleEvents (Mac) or
> DDE (Externals Collection, Windows) but I don't know for sure.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kevin
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Media Player

[Xavier Bury]

Hi Gals and Guys

I just released version 1.1 of my Media Player stack.

you can find it at http://www.monsieurx.com/hyper/stacks/MediaPlayer.mc

it could still have bugs, so let me know... i didn't get to check everything

Cheers,
Xavier


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RE: QuickTime problems on PCs

[Xavier Bury]

your stack might be corrupted. 
i've never had this happen using quicktime.

but do check if the clients isnt running an older version...
QT2 on PCs had lots of leaks...
QT3 had less
QT4 seems ok

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 5:36 PM
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> Subject: QuickTime problems on PCs
> 
> 
> I have a MC app that plays QT movies. The main card contains a number of
> buttons, each of which plays a different movie. If a movie button is
> clicked while one is already playing, the scripts stop the current
> movie, change the filename of the player object, and start the new
> movie. The QT movies are on a CD (not the hard drive) since some are
> fairly large.
> 
> The client reports that testing on a Dell Pentium III/500, it plays a
> single video segment fine, then does nothing else. Clicking a button to
> play another movie while one is already playing locks up the app. If the
> user goes to another card and then comes back to the main card, none of
> the buttons will play a video. The MetaCard app won't even allow a force
> quit; had to force restart.
> 
> Does anyone have a clue what's wrong? On my Pentium III/450 the CD with
> the QT movies runs just fine. Are there any specific control panel
> settings to look for, or other file settings to check? Anything else you
> can think of?
> 
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RE: Testing for QuickTime [hijacked]

[Xavier Bury]

i made a really cool Media Browser based on the QuickTime engine.
It's freeware, requires MC, it's small but it works with all the qt
formats...

it plays mp3s, mpgs, movs, mids, etc...

you can find it at http://www.monsieurx.com/hyper/metacard.html

enjoy!

suggestions welcome!

Xavier

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RE: Testing for QuickTime

[Xavier Bury]

> I've got a stack that tests to see if QuickTime is installed at the
> start. If QT is not installed, it offers to run the standard QT
> installer.
>
> I'm using qtVersion() to check whether QT is installed and which
> version is available.  However, having run the QT installer, when I
> use qtVersion() again (to check that the user did actually do the
> installation and didn't abort it), I still get "0.0" indicating that
> QT is still not installed. My stack then quits as it thinks QT isn't
> available.  Yet if I immediately re-run my stack, it senses the new
> QT installation and proceeds happily.

you must reboot after you install QT or at least quit MC but i'd
recommend rebooting. QT is system software...

> Is there any way I can "refresh" the qtInstalled state within my
> stack so I can test whether it's safe to proceed since QT has been
> installed?

 i'd guess if it answers,
 it's passed the startup tests...

> If not, then I'll need to run the QT installer and quit my stack
> having prompted the user to re-run the stack after the QT
> installation is complete.  I'm not sure that I can sensibly get my
> stack to run itself again??

maybe make an installer stack and then runs your stack but if you must
reboot...

there's also an issue with QT2 which is unremovable.
Let me know and i send you a procedure to remove it safely...



> Any suggestions please, this is a last minute hiccup that's delaying
> the pressing of a CD!
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter

Uh, Peter, next time make sure you promess to deliver something, make sure
you have tested the concept before. It's just a precious piece of advice i
can give you - that killed me once. Finding alternatives at the last moment
is not a good idea or excuse...



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RE: sockets: a revelation

[Xavier Bury]

i'll answer my own questions...

> ok, but how do you read the info or request it?
> suppose you know the ip and port to use only?

according to what i saw in the ftp client made with MC (listed in the
www.xworlds.com contributions...
What you have to do is to open the socket
The port is for example 80 for a web server, 21 for ftp, etc (see the RFCs
(ez to find at yahoo) for most common server formats). Other programs like
game servers or particular programs (CUCME, Roger Wilco, Hotline,
MSNMessenger, etc...) depend on the program. Finding those protocols and
datagrams is not easy. You'll have to look for source code or sniff the
packets... Source code is usually easier to find.

(Debugging note: a firewall program can block your packets so make sure that
they pass first. You can ping the server for example but some firewalls will
block either the address (websense.com) or the ports or any combination of.
Ask the net administrator at your work place. Just remember that this would
imply that the program you would try to emulate would not work either since
they would also be blocked.)

Once you've opened the socket using the right "ip:port" url, you'll have to
send it some datagrams or a message.
For http, it's a message and for a quake server it's a datagram.
If you dont send anything, the connection will simple open and close
(right?).

So you write the socket a query
  in http, it can be "GET,OPTIONS,etc... (thanks to Spade.org)

in quake, you have to send it datagrams (thanks to Qstats and source code at
http://www.activesw.com/people/steve and Luc the fragmaster at
http//3d.win.be/

if you dont do that, you wont get anything...
i still havent got anything from any quake servers yet but soon i hope!

The FTP client is a great example on how to use the sockets
and you can read it's source in the stack script.
It's a good explanation of how an ftp server works!

im writting a socketsbrowser, it should be ready for xmas!



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RE: sockets: a revelation

[Xavier Bury]

ok, but how do you read the info or request it?
suppose you know the ip and port to use only?

does anyone have an explanation about how to read datagrams?
how do you discover the protocol? is this necessary?

for example, i'd like to list quake servers available...
how do you go about finding this out?

i've searched for possible info on the web but it's too polluted with
scripts, tricks and tweaks...

a url will do surely!
im not refering to cgi's btw.

Thanks
Xavier

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Monte Goulding
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 5:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: sockets: a revelation
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> This may be a bit off your topic but it's still about sockets. I
> have never
> played with this so am just asking through curiosity. My field of
> study and
> work is in Exercise and Sports Science. In this field (and may others I
> might add) there are a lot of gadgets as you would understand that fit to
> port. Is it possible to read directly from these gadgets or is this only
> possible if you know the messages they are sending. Is this legal if it
> side-steps software designed buy the manufacturer of the gadget.
> I would be
> quite interested to find out this kind of info for future reference. I am
> really not up to it yet.
>
> Regards
>
> Monte
>
> >From: Dave Cragg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: sockets: a revelation
> >Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:16:48 +
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >Sorry for this rambling mail, but I just had one of those "see the
> >light" experiences that leaves you feeling both like a genius and an
> >idiot at the same time.
> >
> >Like others I guess, I've been trying to get to grips with the new
> >sockets features of Metacard, and seeing how these can be used for
> >various internet/intranet purposes. So I've been doing some reading
> >up of various internet protocols and tried to implement some
> >client-side http as part of this.
> >
> >Anyway, all this attention to web protocols seems to have blinded me
> >to the basic concept of sockets. I've been approaching the whole
> >thing with the premise that it's necesary to use established
> >protocols (ftp, http, etc.) to use sockets. However, it just came to
> >me that client and server programs can communicate any way they like,
> >as long as they can understand each other.
> >
> >I have to thank Brian (Yennie) of this list for this "discovery".
> >While browsing some old mails, I came across his scripts for checking
> >whether a computer was still online or not. I couldn't believe it was
> >that simple. ("accept connections on port 8080 with message whatever"
> >and your server application is running. Come on, Scott! This is
> >embarrassingly easy. Who's going to take this seriously? :))
> >
> >I can see the importance of implementing established protocols if you
> >need to communicate widely, for example, to apache servers from
> >client Metacard programs or with web browsers from a Metacard server
> >program. However, my interest is with more restricted applications.
> >In particualr, with intranet-based training programs where a single
> >Metacard client program has to communicate with an intranet server
> >program to process results , be served lessons, tests, etc.
> >
> >Instead of grappling with cgi scripting, web protocols and the like,
> >it seems all I have to do is put a Metacard program on an accessible
> >machine, set it to accept connections, and then basically implement a
> >set of matching read/write handlers at the client and server ends. A
> >private protocol, so to speak.
> >
> >So my questions:
> >
> >Is it really this easy, in principle at least?
> >
> >What are the pitfalls?
> >
> >Is Metacard ready for the big time in this regard? (I.e. will it run
> >all day on a server?)
> >
> >Aplogies if all this is blindingly obvious.
> >
> >Cheers
> >Dave Cragg
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RE: Default Windows System Path?

[Xavier Bury]

Hi guys,

while checking the registry, i saw this key:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\WinDir

That's your path to windows.

The temp variable can be redirected too, remember... some users do that...

cheers,
Xavier

> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> >... to determine the default path to the main Windows directory?
> > 
> > And I'm wondering if
> > "C:/WINDOWS/" might be incorrect for Windows2000.  I've gotten 
> a report from
> > a tester who claims to getting a "file not found" error, 
> apparently from a
> > script that assumes "C:/WINDOWS/" is the default directory for 
> a file I need
> > to access.
> > 
> > Thanks for any suggestions.
> > 
> > Scott
> 
> check the entry about "the tempname".
> 
> You can easily extract the wanted directory from that.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Klaus Major
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RE: script editor

[Xavier Bury]

 my guess is that it just can't be fixed!
corrolary:
 They cant fix Apple or Steve Jobs either!

 is stealing garbage a crime?
 see the Register's articles!

> Recently, andu wrote:
> 
> > BTW, it looks like some kids in Russia just got hold of MS's 
> codes (cracked
> > into MS
> > network) lately so chances are they fixed all that was wrong 
> for such a long
> > time with
> > Windows ;-))) Why else would they do it?
> 
> Now the trick will be to convince all Windows users around the world to
> install the fixed system.  [sigh] Never gonna happen...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott
> 
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RE: Standalone Configuration Utility and double postings

[Xavier Bury]

Title: RE: Standalone Configuration Utility and double postings



im 
working on one right now, should be ready end of this week... it will be 
MC-update safe [normally]...
 
Xavier

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Blair 
  MoxonSent: Monday, October 16, 2000 4:59 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: Standalone Configuration 
  Utility and double postings
  Eva, 
  I think you have a couple of entries 
  for the MetaCard list in your address bookthis would result in double 
  postings to the list.
  rgds, Blair 

RE: Standalone Configuration Utility

[Xavier Bury]

but why use an external file when the stack is a file?
you have a native and super easy way to store info
in the cards, no need to mess around with and parse a file
let alone adapt to go cross platform... create a card for the
current stack, it remembers the stack's last use info, then
for windows' prefs, same thing... i'll try to make a working
stack or a procedure...

Xavier

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> Subject: Re: Standalone Configuration Utility
>
>
> I just write as prefs file to the system folder like any other
> app but it is
> a pain for me to read it etc.  I'd also like to see your SAC Scott (and
> please forgive the way that sounded :^)
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> Simon
>
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>
> > From: Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:58:15 -0700
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Standalone Configuration Utility
> >
> > Hello MC People:
> >
> > Those of you who repeatedly deliver your stacks in standalone
> format might
> > be in interested in this -- a small utility for saving and
> recalling your
> > standalone configurations.
> >
> > For some time now, SuperCard has had a great feature of being
> able to save
> > and recall the settings used to create your standalone
> applications.  I've
> > often wished MC had something like this, so I created SAC (StandAlone
> > Completer).  SAC is an MC stack that allows you to do the
> above: enter your
> > standalone configuration info and save it on your drive for later use,
> > sparing you the tedium of entering and re-entering your filenames, path
> > names, version numbers, etc.
> >
> > This stack requires that you use the standard MC editing
> environment, but
> > it's built to be completely separate from the editor -- you can open and
> > close it at will without any issues.
> >
> > It's optimized for Windows and Mac users, but unless UNIX requires
> > additional info for standalones, it should work just the same.
> >
> > If any of you are interested, please message me off list.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > _
> > Scott Rossi   Tactile Media - Multimedia & Design
> > Creative Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Web: www.tactilemedia.com
> >
>
>

RE: Recursive Search?

[Xavier Bury]

sorry about that... the site is a bit anarchic...

the downloads are now available...
remember they are in mac hypercard format still...

unfortunately, i have to fly to london tomorow
for a professional unforseen chance to click
3 times "ok" and pull down 3 menus... because
someone wants to cover their ass!

<< so i'll be short - i thought >> (ed.)

great weekend in perspective too! i missed a "free" deep purple
concert cause i got to wake up at 4AM to catch a plane but
you got your files, i fixed the xos downloads page! i'll check
the rest later maybe on sunday if im back...

the script... you should find enough materials in the following
stacks...

look in the stack scripts...
be warned that they will give trouble to MC's script syntax
checker... but that's a quick 10 minutes fix for all the stacks...
lest them work is another but i've had pleasant surprises...
Note: i've only tried to convert them to MC from a Mac...
  it worked that way for me... i wouldn't try direct on Win...

home* - look at the card script of the preferences card
paths cards "stacks", "applications" and stack script
managers/files - functions premade!
Masters/Rinadis - GetDir is the best

come to think of it, in the xtraagents.sit file there
is the stack compaquer, that does that... xos is open
source so if you find improvements, their welcome!

in brief remember for MC that you have to choose scripts for platforms
so here's the pc version too. unix should be a simple ls apath statement
i think (Scott?)

on answerListfolders adir
  answer folder "Please choose a folder to recurse"
  if it is "" then exit answerListFolders
  answer ListFolder(it)
end answerListFolders

function ListFolder apath,recurse
  if the platform contains "win" then
return shell("pushd apath\ntree apath") -- is the \n correct for pcs?
or
   return shell("pushd apath\ndir apath /whatever\npopd") -- is the \n
correct for pcs?
  else
-- there's an osax Jon's OSAX that does it on the mac through
applescripts...
or with GetDir from Rinaldi (i think but Jon's got also a folder lister
that might...)
return GetDir(subpath,"FD+","o=p")
  end if
end ListFolder

all options are free or almost...
why rewrite the wheel? ;)

have a good weekend!
Xavier
--
what's this? friday the thirteen or something?


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott Rossi
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 7:46 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Recursive Search?
>
>
> Recently, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > XOS has this to find it's files should they move
> > but it's on a mac using the external GetDir from Rinaldi
> >
> > i wont be able to pass it out soon though. You can download it at
> > www.monsieurx.com (follow xos)
> > The scripts are in the paths manager stack in the card name
> "stack" or maybe
> > the stack script.
>
> Thanks Xavier.  When I try to access
>
>   http://www.monsieurx.com/xos/stacks/Basics.sit
>
> I get a file not found error.  Where should I look for the paths manager
> stack?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott
>
> _
> Scott Rossi   Tactile Media - Multimedia & Design
> Creative Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Web: www.tactilemedia.com
>

RE: SGI Users

[Xavier Bury]

your browser or Netscape might contain that info in the prefs in the file to
program association... an SGI.audio|sound faq maybe?

why not recompile a linux or sun player?

X

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Simon Lord
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:41 PM
> To: MetaCard List
> Subject: SGI Users
>
>
> Anyone know of a plugin for netscape on the SGI that can play Sun's .au
> format?  I have a small web based training set of pages that require the
> playback of audio on Mac, PC and SGI.  The Mac and PC use either
> QT or MP to
> play the .au files but the SGI has no such alternative by default.
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> Simon
>
> Graphic Development: http://www.amigo-3.com
>
> --
> "The great discoveries in science are not punctuated by 'Eureka!
> I've found
> it!' but rather "Hmmm,that's funny" Isaac Asimov
>

RE: XML parsing...

[Xavier Bury]

im interested! i have some to contribute too...

> >> Is there anyone working on this are, who would be interested in
> >> using/advising on the creation of a general purpose XML library?

Xavier