[meteorite-list] Hydrogen-Fed Bacteria May Exist Beyond Earth
John Bluck April 3, 2002 NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif. Phone: 650/604-5026 or 604-9000 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RELEASE: 02-37AR HYDROGEN-FED BACTERIA MAY EXIST BEYOND EARTH Primitive bacteria exist in huge numbers deep in the Earth, living on hydrogen gas produced in rocks, a NASA scientist reports in the spring issue of the journal Astrobiology. Recent studies suggest that the mass of bacteria existing below ground may be larger than the mass of all living things at the Earth's surface, according to recent studies cited by the paper's lead author, Friedemann Freund, who works at NASA Ames Research Center in California's Silicon Valley. Similar hydrogen-consuming microbes may some day be discovered on Mars, raising new prospects for the possible existence of life beyond Earth, Freund added. The hydrogen that could feed bacteria in the depth of the Earth comes from a subtle chemical reaction that occurs within rocks that were once hot or even molten. In the top 20 kilometers (12.4 miles) of Earth's crust, Freund said, the conditions are right to produce a nearly inexhaustible supply of hydrogen. In the top 5 to10 kilometers (about 3 to 6 miles) all fissures and cracks in the rocks are probably filled with water. Hydrogen molecules will seep out of the mineral grains, enter the intergranular space and saturate the water. Microorganisms that live in these water films can be expected to use this hydrogen as their vital energy source. Many of the microorganisms in the 'deep biosphere' do not live off the sunlight-derived energy that green plants trap during photosynthesis, but live on chemically derived energy sources such as hydrogen, according to Freund. If deep microbial communities are to thrive over long periods of time, they need a steady supply of hydrogen, he said. It has long been known that hydrogen gas is produced when water reaches freshly formed cracks in many common rocks, but Freund's paper describes a different hydrogen-producing reaction that occurs inside the minerals that make up such rocks. This reaction does not require rocks to crack - a necessarily episodic event. Instead, it occurs in the entire rock volume during its gradual cooling as continents slowly age over millions of years. Because the Earth's crust contains a huge quantity of rock, even a small amount of hydrogen produced in each small section of rock results in a large volume of gas. To understand the details of this hydrogen-producing reaction, Freund said, requires some insight into the structure of minerals where silicon, oxygen and metals have combined to form a dense pack of atoms and ions. When these minerals crystallize at high temperatures, water is always present, and some water molecules are trapped in the atomic structure of the minerals, said Freund. These water molecules are ripped apart and change into hydroxyl anions, each of which is negatively charged and has one oxygen ion with a proton attached. During cooling, at temperatures below 400 to 500 degrees C (752 to 932 degrees F), a strange reaction takes place. Pairs of these hydroxyl anions rearrange their electrons in such a way that hydrogen gas molecules are formed, Freund said. What is unusual and still not fully understood, said Freund, is that the electrons needed to make the hydrogen molecules are taken away from negatively charged oxygen anions. Suddenly, some oxygen anions, which everybody thought only existed in a doubly charged negative state, convert to singly charged negative ions, he said. These single negative oxygen anions join in pairs. In this form, they are innocuous and can stay inactive over geological times. The hydrogen molecules, however, wander around inside the mineral structure and can squeeze into the narrow spaces between the mineral grains. If the intergranular space is filled with water, the hydrogen molecules will dissolve in the water. If microbes live in the intergranular water films, one can imagine, said Freund, that these bacteria extract the dissolved hydrogen from the water and use this hydrogen as an energy source, not unlike fish that extract oxygen dissolved in the water of rivers, lakes and the sea to respire. What is potentially important, Freund said, is that, if and when microorganisms in the deep underground use this hydrogen dissolved in the intergranular water films, the rocks around them will replenish the hydrogen supply - indefinitely, over eons of time. The paper by Freund and his coworkers also may help answer non-biological questions related to the commercial viability of tapping hydrogen reserves deep in the rocks and to questions of mine safety. For example, sometimes, during mining and drilling operations, enough hydrogen seeps out of wall rocks that explosive gas mixtures can be produced, according to some reports. Since old, old times, the mining industry has had
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall In Uganda?
http://www.newvision.co.ug/detail.php?subCatId=7subCatName=Nationalstory=37942 Meteorites sighted in the West By Emmanuel Mulondo The New Vision (Uganda) April 3, 2002 TONGUES of fire flew across the dark skies of Kabarole, Mubende, Bundibugyo, Kyenjojo and Kamwenge districts in western Uganda on Wednesday night. Residents were filled with fear as eight glowing objects flew across the skies. Some thought the objects that left brilliant trails of light behind them, were missiles fired from the Democratic Republic of Congo. Residents of Fort Portal town saw the objects flying south-eastwards, before disappearing below the horizon within a few minutes. Scared soldiers of the Rwenzori Alpine Brigade fired into the air hoping to shoot them down. Wildlife officials in Kabarole said the glowing objects were seen falling in the forests between Mubende, Kyenjojo and Kamwenge. Forensic experts from Kabamba Military Barracks and meteorology officials rushed to the scene on Thursday [March 28]. The UPDF spokesman, Major Shaban Bantariza, on Thursday said the army had confirmed that the objects called meteorites, were rocks falling onto the earth from the outer space. Similar objects landed on the Rwenzori mountains in 1982 and in Mbale in 1995. Scientists say thousands of meteorites land on earth every year. However, the majority are not recorded because they fall into seas or remote areas. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation
Hi List, While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites have really weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or know where I can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collecting I always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was (I-and-E). The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale) or (ma-bale)? Clear Skies Happy Hunting, Jay Haynes IMCA Member #:6905 www.geocities.com/cdnastronomer/meteorite.html Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation
I need some help too. Maybe one of you willing to make us few lists with names and pronuncations. Maybe many of us may realize that we spoke those word incorrect way. Tom Perry Hi List, While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites have really weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or know where I can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collecting I always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was (I-and-E). The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale) or (ma-bale)? Clear Skies Happy Hunting, Jay Haynes IMCA Member #:6905 www.geocities.com/cdnastronomer/meteorite.html http://www.geocities.com/cdnastronomer/meteorite.html Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here http://g.msn.com/1HM501601/z __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Viewer's Guide to New Comet Ikeya-Zhang
Tracy, Make the drive! It will be well worth it! Comet tail is 10+degs in Binos.. Go to www.starcruiser.com and check out the movie. Dave -Original Message- From: Tracy Latimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:06 AM To: Ron Baalke Cc: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Viewer's Guide to New Comet Ikeya-Zhang Has anyone been able to get a good look/ take pictures of this comet? Viewing conditions in Maui have been crappy, with a nearly constant high overcast for the last 2 weeks, and horizon haze otherwise. And I'm too lazy to drive up 45 minutes to the tip-top of Haleakala and brave the chill and wind for 20 minutes of maybe-viewing before the comet sets at this latitude :-) For an island that has such great tourist appeal, we haven't had much amateur astronomy appeal lately. Tracy Latimer --admits to being a cosmic wimpout-- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation
Dear All, I had my favorite paleobotanist exclaim: I don't care how you pronounce it, tomatoe or tomatow as long as you know what you are talking about... We were discussing parenchima, and zylom and phloem. My personal favorite is chalcedony pronounced cal-ced-knee. Ahpalled at opal pronounced oh-pull, as apposed to Opal, which is O-pal, a small town west of here. Dave F. Tom wrote: I need some help too. Maybe one of you willing to make us few lists with names and pronuncations. Maybe many of us may realize that we spoke those word incorrect way. Tom Perry Hi List, While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites have really weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or know where I can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collecting I always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was (I-and-E). The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale) or (ma-bale)? Clear Skies Happy Hunting, Jay Haynes IMCA Member #:6905 www.geocities.com/cdnastronomer/meteorite.html http://www.geocities.com/cdnastronomer/meteorite.html Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here http://g.msn.com/1HM501601/z __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation
Hi Tom, Jay and List, I posted a message to Meteorite Central about this very issue (pronunciation) last year, but no one decided to bite at the time. (I had asked about Ghubara). As for Allende, I've always pronounced it: Ah-yen'-day. How 'bout Sikhote-Alin? My guess has been: Si-ko'-tay Al-in'... --Rob -Original Message- From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:10 AM To: Jay Haynes; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation I need some help too. Maybe one of you willing to make us few lists with names and pronuncations. Maybe many of us may realize that we spoke those word incorrect way. Tom Perry Hi List, While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites have really weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or know where I can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collecting I always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was (I-and-E). The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale) or (ma-bale)? Clear Skies Happy Hunting, Jay Haynes IMCA Member #:6905 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation
Hi Serguei, In Russian it sounds like Si-ho-te Al'-in' Actually it is Chinise name. How interesting! I wouldn't have guessed. Given that spelling conversions from Cyrillic (or Chinese) are somewhat arbitrary, one would question the choice of a k if no hard K sound is in the name... --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation
Hi Dave, I mean, how DO you say Gao Gueniebuggered if I know! I assume Gao rhymes with Tao. Guenie? You've got me. Rhymes with Benny? --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation
Hi All, One I always hear mispronounced is Willamette. It is said as wil-LAM-it Not will-a-MET as so many non-Oregonians say. By the way, that's ORE-a-gun, not or-E-gone or ORE-e-gun. Martin in ID (not Indiana) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Rare Leighlinbridge for sale
Hello Dave, hello everyone, I have (or very soon will have) a 1.548g slice of the last fall of the Millennium, Leighlinbridge, Ireland, 28th Nov 1999, about 10pm... To be exact, there is a different last fall of the millenium : 18.01.2000 : Tagish Lake. It is destiny, that the last millenium fall is a very unusual meteorite and not a common type ! Best wishes, Thomas Kurtz. Web Site : http://www.stud.fh-hannover.de/~kurtzt __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall In Uganda?
No thanks, too far, too scary there for me. Cival Wars are not my idea of a good time. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Tettenborn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall In Uganda? Mike Farmer should be rested up by now. He has been home a whole week! Go for it Mike. ;) Mike Tettenborn Owen Sound, Ontario - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall In Uganda? http://www.newvision.co.ug/detail.php?subCatId=7subCatName=Nationalstory=3 7942 Meteorites sighted in the West By Emmanuel Mulondo The New Vision (Uganda) April 3, 2002 TONGUES of fire flew across the dark skies of Kabarole, Mubende, Bundibugyo, Kyenjojo and Kamwenge districts in western Uganda on Wednesday night. Residents were filled with fear as eight glowing objects flew across the skies. Some thought the objects that left brilliant trails of light behind them, were missiles fired from the Democratic Republic of Congo. Residents of Fort Portal town saw the objects flying south-eastwards, before disappearing below the horizon within a few minutes. Scared soldiers of the Rwenzori Alpine Brigade fired into the air hoping to shoot them down. Wildlife officials in Kabarole said the glowing objects were seen falling in the forests between Mubende, Kyenjojo and Kamwenge. Forensic experts from Kabamba Military Barracks and meteorology officials rushed to the scene on Thursday [March 28]. The UPDF spokesman, Major Shaban Bantariza, on Thursday said the army had confirmed that the objects called meteorites, were rocks falling onto the earth from the outer space. Similar objects landed on the Rwenzori mountains in 1982 and in Mbale in 1995. Scientists say thousands of meteorites land on earth every year. However, the majority are not recorded because they fall into seas or remote areas. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation pt.2
Here's an idea. I will volunteer to keep a online database on my site of as many meteorites and how to pronounce them so we can all get this figured out. If anyone knows how to pronounce alot of the meteorite names please send me an e-mail with the ones you know and I will put a site up so we can all get to know how. Clear Skies Happy Hunting, Jay Haynes IMCA Member #:6905 www.geocities.com/cdnastronomer/meteorite.html From: "Matson, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:40:21 -0800 Hi Tom, Jay and List, I posted a message to Meteorite Central about this very issue (pronunciation) last year, but no one decided to bite at the time. (I had asked about Ghubara). As for Allende, I've always pronounced it: Ah-yen'-day. How 'bout Sikhote-Alin? My guess has been: Si-ko'-tay Al-in'... --Rob -Original Message- From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:10 AM To: Jay Haynes; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation I need some help too. Maybe one of you willing to make us few lists with names and pronuncations. Maybe many of us may realize that we spoke those word incorrect way. Tom Perry Hi List, While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites have really weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or know where I can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collecting I always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was (I-and-E). The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale) or (ma-bale)? Clear Skies Happy Hunting, Jay Haynes IMCA Member #:6905 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A public thank you to Mike Farmer
I will have to add my thanks. I received mine today and they are excellent specimens. Thanks again Mike. Dennis - Original Message - From: FRANK B CRESSY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mal Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A public thank you to Mike Farmer I'll second that. I received my piece today and it's outstanding. Much better than I imagined. And was even able to find it on Mike's website photo of the loot :-) Hope he never tires of the chase. Sincerely appreciative, Frank - Original Message - From: Mal Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] A public thank you to Mike Farmer Just wanted to take the opportunity to thank Mike for his dedicated, almost insane, drive to travel and endure what he went through to bring back a truly nice new fall - not to mention the price he was willing to let it sell for! I know many on the list feel the same way! Bensour is a delight to hold and examine with its contrasting black crust and internal light grayish colored matrix! Mike, you certainly do fall in the same category as Bob Haag, Ron Hartman, Richard Norton and others, on and off of this list as a bonafide meteorite hunter! Congratulations and thank you! Mal IMCA #6819 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: *AD* New Meteorites for Sale
Dear meteorite list members, R.A. Langheinrich Meteorites has finished a large update of its Meteorites For Sale catalog, with many new photos. We have over 200 specimens listed (75 different meteorite types). Please take a look: http://www.nyrockman.com/catalog.htm New sale material includes: Abee (brecciated and unbrecciated) Allende (individuals and end cuts) Atlanta Axtell Canyon Diablo -- very high quality individuals with good shapes Cumberland Falls DAG 305 (LL5) DAG 476 (Martian) DAG 485 (ureilite) Dandapur (witnessed fall 1878) Estherville Hamada al Hamra 237 (bencubbinite) Hvittis Imilac Portales Valley Tierra Blanca Udei Station The Canyon Diablos are really nice: http://www.nyrockman.com/pages/sale-cd-groups.htm Also there are only a few days left on our special sale of Juvinas, witnessed fall France (1821) at bargain basement prices. Any pieces not sold this week will be returned to our regular inventory at their regular prices: http://www.nyrockman.com/special.htm Thank you for your interest, Iris Lang www.nyrockman.com www.langsfossils.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation pt.2
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation pt.2 Good idea and also I already ask the meteoritetimes about to put a word or two names along with the pronuncations in every month but I havent heard from them yet. Tom Perry Here's an idea. I will volunteer to keep a online database on my site of as many meteorites and how to pronounce them so we can all get this figured out. If anyone knows how to pronounce alot of the meteorite names please send me an e-mail with the ones you know and I will put a site up so we can all get to know how. Clear Skies Happy Hunting, Jay Haynes IMCA Member #:6905 www.geocities.com/cdnastronomer/meteorite.html http://www.geocities.com/cdnastronomer/meteorite.html From: Matson, Robert To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:40:21 -0800 Hi Tom, Jay and List, I posted a message to Meteorite Central about this very issue (pronunciation) last year, but no one decided to bite at the time. (I had asked about Ghubara). As for Allende, I've always pronounced it: Ah-yen'-day. How 'bout Sikhote-Alin? My guess has been: Si-ko'-tay Al-in'... --Rob -Original Message- From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:10 AM To: Jay Haynes; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation I need some help too. Maybe one of you willing to make us few lists with names and pronuncations. Maybe many of us may realize that we spoke those word incorrect way. Tom Perry Hi List, While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites have really weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or know where I can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collecting I always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was (I-and-E). The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale) or (ma-bale)? Clear Skies Happy Hunting, Jay Haynes IMCA Member #:6905 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here http://g.msn.com/1HM501601/12 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation
In a message dated 4/3/2002 2:33:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I mean, how DO you say "Gao Guenie"buggered if I know! I assume Gao rhymes with Tao. Guenie? You've got me. Rhymes with Benny? --Rob You got that one right! Gao like Tao, Guenie like Gwen - Knee Now who wants to try "Orgueil" or "L'Aigle" or "Tafassasset" ? Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Weston Newspaper Copies Mailed - Kofelsite
Hello Everybody, I mailed the copies of the Weston Newspaper to all those that requested it. If you don't recieve it in a week or so let me know and I'll resend another. If anyone else would still like a copy of the Newspaper article of the first America fall...let me know. Kofelsite. I had a research sheet that listed a lot of papers done on the area and site but I can't seem to find it anywhere. I would think that more listees would have brought up information but maybe most people don't care? As many of you probley know I am the one selling it on eBay. As impactite, which I believe it is.And there is evidence to suggest the landslide was caused by the impact or happened around the same time.And sure, I will give anyone that one day it may be proved not to be an impact site. Ihowever believe, we do not seeall the clues to an impact.The our science is too focused.It is well known certain minerals happen and certain tempatures are reached and the like. So that is what we look for. Without making a forever long e-mail, this is the same argument we could have had aboutLibyan Glass and Darwin Glass just a couple years ago. At Kofels, at least we have out depression. Mark Bostick "The Big Collector" PS: See my eBay auctionssorry had to throw that in.
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation Not me, my tongue hurts enough already! Regards, Tom Randall P.S. I just got my copies of the Cambridge Encyclopedia of meteorites and the Catalogue of meteorites today! I'm in heaven at the moment! 2 specimens of Bensour from Mike should be here soon too! A good week for me. In a message dated 4/3/2002 2:33:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I mean, how DO you say Gao Gueniebuggered if I know! I assume Gao rhymes with Tao. Guenie? You've got me. Rhymes with Benny? --Rob You got that one right! Gao like Tao, Guenie like Gwen - Knee Now who wants to try Orgueil or L'Aigle or Tafassasset ? Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation
Ideally, we could get native speakers from the regions in question to give us the last word in pronunciation of various meteorite names. That way, no one would be subjected to my mangling of Chassigny or Tissemoumine! Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sorry to get off subject slightly... A couple months ago I was traveling through Mexico (Since I was in Tuscon anyway) and I noticed many streets where named Allende, resturants and other places used Allende as part of it name. It made me want to steal a street sign, just kidding.That would have been a bad ideal, the border guards where curious enough about my earthmagnets Anyway, so I guess I was saying they have Allende named things everywhere in Mexico. For those that do not knowAllende was one of the first (I think the second) freedom fighter leaders. You know...for Mexican Independance... Mark Bostick "The Big Collector" - Original Message - From: Rhett Bourland Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:00 PM To: Matson, Robert; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation Your pronunciation of Allende is correct Robert. I remember two things from7th grade spanish. One is that when there are two ll's next to each otherin a word its pronounced like a "y." The other is "Hola, me llamo es muyfeo avion." I just took the class. I didn't say I did well in it.Best,Rhett Bourlandwww.asteroidmodels.comwww.asteroidmodels.com/personalwww.meteoritecollectors.org-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matson,RobertSent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:40 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciationHi Tom, Jay and List,I posted a message to Meteorite Central about this very issue(pronunciation) last year, but no one decided to bite at thetime. (I had asked about Ghubara). As for Allende, I'vealways pronounced it: Ah-yen'-day. How 'bout Sikhote-Alin?My guess has been: Si-ko'-tay Al-in'... --Rob-Original Message-From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:10 AMTo: Jay Haynes; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciationI need some help too. Maybe one of you willing to make us few lists withnames and pronuncations. Maybe many of us may realize that we spoke thoseword incorrect way.Tom Perry Hi List, While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites havereally weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or knowwhere I can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collectingI always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was(I-and-E). The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale)or (ma-bale)? Clear Skies Happy Hunting, Jay Haynes IMCA Member #:6905__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation Allende
In Spanish double ls are pronounced as y in English - as in La Jolla - so, it is Ah - yen - day Michael -- The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. -- Thomas Jefferson -- More Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satalite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/jFYolB/TM -- Michael Blood Meteorites for sale at: http://www.meteorite.com/Michael_Blood/catalog.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation
Ever heard of Zaklodzie ? "Sa gwod shee" Christian ** Ing. Christian ANGER Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
[meteorite-list] Last fall of millenium
Hi Christian, The millenium ended on December 31, 2001, so Tagish is correct. Best, Rob -Original Message- From: Ing. Christian ANGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 7:55 PM To: Meteorite-List@Meteoritecentral. Com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Rare Leighlinbridge for sale Hi Thomas ! The defintive last fall of the millenium is Moravka - May 6, 2000 - Czech Republic ! Greetings, Christian Thomas Kurt wrote: Hello Dave, hello everyone, To be exact, there is a different last fall of the millenium : 18.01.2000 : Tagish Lake. It is destiny, that the last millenium fall is a very unusual meteorite and not a common type ! Best wishes, Thomas Kurtz. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Humor NOT meteorite related:
Hope this doesn't offend anyone. I just thought it was funny being the techie I am. Troy Bell Dear Tech Support: Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a slow down in the performance of the flower and jewelry applications that had operated flawlessly under the Boyfriend 5.0 system. In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.9, but installed undesirable programs such as NFL 7.4, NBA 3.2 and NHL 4.1. Conversation 8.0 also no longer runs and Housecleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system. I've tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail. What can I do? Signed, Desperate Dear Desperate: First, keep in mind that Boyfriend 5.0 was an entertainment package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system. Try to enter the command C:/I THOUGHT YOU LOVED ME and install Tears 6.2. Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications: Guilt 3.3 and Flowers 7.5. But remember, overuse can cause Husband 1.0 to default to such background applications as Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1. Please remember that Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will create SnoringLoudly.WAV files. DO NOT install Mother-In-Law 1.0 or reinstall another Boyfriend program. These are not supported applications and will crash Husband 1.0. It could also potentially cause Husband 1.0 to default to the program: Girlfriend 9.2, which runs in the background and has been known to introduce potentially serious viruses into the Operating System. In summary., Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have a limited memory and can't learn new applications quickly. You might consider buying additional software to enhance his system performance. I personally recommend Hot Food 3.0 and Single Malt Scotch 4.5 combined with such applications as Boob Job 3.6D and that old standby Lingerie 6.x (which have both been credited with improved performance of his hardware). Good Luck, Tech Support
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation
I believe La Criolla holds to the same Spanish pronunciation as Allende with the ll sound of ye or ya.La - cree - o - yaw. This is assuming the name place is a Spanish name and not Portuguese. As for Mbale, I have a friend from that part of Africa and his last name is Ncube. He pronounces it new - bay. If the same pronunciation conventions applies to Mbale, then it would sound like ma - lay. Rob Elliott's Leighlinbridge isn't pronounced the way it looks. I believe it is pronounced lock - lynn - bridge. Rob can clarify this one. Go figure. At least I know how to pronounce most of the Arizona meteorites. How far off can you be with Cat Mountain? John At 07:38 PM 4/3/02 -0700, Matt Morgan wrote: How about La Criolla? I heard from Eduardo (meteorites.com) say it like La Crioche. Is that correct or was my hearing messed? Same with Mocs, Gero Kurat from Vienna said Mocsh. Werid to me. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation In a message dated 4/3/2002 2:33:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I mean, how DO you say Gao Gueniebuggered if I know! I assume Gao rhymes with Tao. Guenie? You've got me. Rhymes with Benny? --Rob You got that one right! Gao like Tao, Guenie like Gwen - Knee Now who wants to try Orgueil or L'Aigle or Tafassasset ? Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Gwilliam Meteorites PO Box 26854 Tempe AZ 85285 http://www.meteoriteimpact.com
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation
Dear Matt and List Pronunciation of the LL in different countries is not the same, even inArgentina we have at least 3 very ways to pronounce theLL. The "porteños" (Buenos Aires citizens) like mepronounce in the way you heard. Eduardo - Original Message - From: Matt Morgan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:38 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation How about La Criolla? I heard from Eduardo (meteorites.com) say it like "La Crioche". Is that correct or was my hearing messed? Same with Mocs, Gero Kurat from Vienna said "Mocsh". Werid to me. Matt -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 7:32 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciationIn a message dated 4/3/2002 2:33:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I mean, how DO you say "Gao Guenie"buggered if I know! I assume Gao rhymes with Tao. Guenie? You've got me. Rhymes with Benny? --Rob You got that one right! Gao like Tao, Guenie like Gwen - Knee Now who wants to try "Orgueil" or "L'Aigle" or "Tafassasset" ? Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Eduardo pronouces La Criolla with the LL in the sound of a J, all people from Argentina, Uruguay,and southern Chile pronounce the doubleL that way, it is linguistic nuance, in all other Spanish speaking countries, double L is pronounced like ya or ye. I was a linguist in Army Intelligence, Spanish was my language. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: John Gwilliam To: Matt Morgan ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:26 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation I believe La Criolla holds to the same Spanish pronunciation as Allende with the "ll" sound of "ye" or "ya".La - cree - o - yaw. This is assuming the name place is a Spanish name and not Portuguese.As for Mbale, I have a friend from that part of Africa and his last name is Ncube. He pronounces it "new - bay". If the same pronunciation conventions applies to Mbale, then it would sound like "ma - lay".Rob Elliott's "Leighlinbridge" isn't pronounced the way it looks. I believe it is pronounced "lock - lynn - bridge". Rob can clarify this one.Go figure.At least I know how to pronounce most of the Arizona meteorites. How far off can you be with "Cat Mountain"?JohnAt 07:38 PM 4/3/02 -0700, Matt Morgan wrote: How about La Criolla? I heard from Eduardo (meteorites.com) say it like "La Crioche". Is that correct or was my hearing messed? Same with Mocs, Gero Kurat from Vienna said "Mocsh". Werid to me.Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation In a message dated 4/3/2002 2:33:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I mean, how DO you say "Gao Guenie"buggered if I know! I assume Gao rhymes with Tao. Guenie? You've got me. Rhymes with Benny? --Rob You got that one right! Gao like Tao, Guenie like Gwen - Knee Now who wants to try "Orgueil" or "L'Aigle" or "Tafassasset" ? Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Gwilliam Meteorites PO Box 26854 Tempe AZ 85285http://www.meteoriteimpact.com
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For me is easier to pronounce La Criolla that Cat Mountain, it depends on if you are from the country where the meteorite was found... and even that not allways works. Look for example our Angrite, D'Orbigny. It was found 400km from home and I needed a lesson from Anne to get the right pronunciation!. Eduardo - Original Message - From: John Gwilliam To: Matt Morgan ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation I believe La Criolla holds to the same Spanish pronunciation as Allende with the "ll" sound of "ye" or "ya".La - cree - o - yaw. This is assuming the name place is a Spanish name and not Portuguese.At least I know how to pronounce most of the Arizona meteorites. How far off can you be with "Cat Mountain"?JohnAt 07:38 PM 4/3/02 -0700, Matt Morgan wrote: How about La Criolla? I heard from Eduardo (meteorites.com) say it like "La Crioche". Is that correct or was my hearing messed? Same with Mocs, Gero Kurat from Vienna said "Mocsh". Werid to me.Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation In a message dated 4/3/2002 2:33:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I mean, how DO you say "Gao Guenie"buggered if I know! I assume Gao rhymes with Tao. Guenie? You've got me. Rhymes with Benny? --Rob You got that one right! Gao like Tao, Guenie like Gwen - Knee Now who wants to try "Orgueil" or "L'Aigle" or "Tafassasset" ? Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Gwilliam Meteorites PO Box 26854 Tempe AZ 85285http://www.meteoriteimpact.com
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Pronunciation Guide
After following this thread for just one evening, it is evident that most of use pronounce meteorite names incorrectly. It looks to me like an opportunity for another O. Richard Norton book...;-) Night all, John John Gwilliam Meteorites PO Box 26854 Tempe AZ 85285 http://www.meteoriteimpact.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE:Last fall of millenium
Hi Rob ! Why ? Tagish Lake : January 18, 2000 Moravka : May 06, 2000 End of millenium : December 31, 2001 (your words) (even it is December 31, 2000 - Moravka is later than Tagish) So I think May is later than Jaunary or..? Best wishes, Christian Original message: Hi Christian, The millenium ended on December 31, 2001, so Tagish is correct. Best, Rob Versendet durch Jet2Web Internet - Webmail (webmail.jet2web.net) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] O.T. Comet Ikeya-Zhang image
Tracy, I've been out there trying to get a decent image of the comet for the last 3 weeks. I've been using my digital camera and finally got a pretty good set of images on the 29th. This is 6, 16 second images stacked, taken though a 10 Dob on a tracking platform. The comet is quite beautiful with a bright core and long tail. It appears very bluish green under dark skies. It should look much better with some elevation of your viewing location. I took my image at 9400 ft. elevation in the Colorado Rockies. Am hoping to get a chance to image it tomorrow night when it's very near the Andromeda Galaxy. http://home.earthlink.net/~chikadee/cometIZ32902ip01.jpg There are some great IZ comet images at spaceweather.com Ginger Tracy wrote: Has anyone been able to get a good look/ take pictures of this comet? Viewing conditions in Maui have been crappy, with a nearly constant high overcast for the last 2 weeks, and horizon haze otherwise. And I'm too lazy to drive up 45 minutes to the tip-top of Haleakala and brave the chill and wind for 20 minutes of maybe-viewing before the comet sets at this latitude :-) For an island that has such great tourist appeal, we haven't had much amateur astronomy appeal lately. Tracy Latimer --admits to being a cosmic wimpout-- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation
Michael and all, There are a wide variety of pronunciations of Spanish words, depending on country and even regeon. However, Allende is in central Mexico - not Argentina or Portugal MOST people consider proper pronunciation to be the way a location name is pronounced in the area in which it is located. This is a topic that could go on FOREVER, with good arguments made for a variety of pronunciation of MANY meteorites - for instance, we pronounce the French city of Paris, Pare-iss - there, it is pronounced, Par-ee. Whatcha gunna do? Michael -- The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. -- Thomas Jefferson -- More Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satalite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/jFYolB/TM -- Michael Blood Meteorites for sale at: http://www.meteorite.com/Michael_Blood/catalog.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] pronounciation
...I think Leighlinbridge is horrible enough to pronounce (Locklinbridge) - who'da guessed?!! -- In gentle decay, dave IMCA #0092 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) http://www.meteorites.ic24.net/index.html http://www.meteoritecollectors.org I have a proof that x^n+y^n=z^n never has integer solutions for n2. However, it won't fit into my signature file __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list