[meteorite-list] Hydrogen-Fed Bacteria May Exist Beyond Earth

2002-04-03 Thread Ron Baalke



John Bluck  April 3, 2002
NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif.
Phone: 650/604-5026 or 604-9000
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RELEASE: 02-37AR

HYDROGEN-FED BACTERIA MAY EXIST BEYOND EARTH

Primitive bacteria exist in huge numbers deep in the Earth, living on 
hydrogen gas produced in rocks, a NASA scientist reports in the 
spring issue of the journal Astrobiology.

Recent studies suggest that the mass of bacteria existing below 
ground may be larger than the mass of all living things at the 
Earth's surface, according to recent studies cited by the paper's 
lead author, Friedemann Freund, who works at NASA Ames Research 
Center in California's Silicon Valley. Similar hydrogen-consuming 
microbes may some day be discovered on Mars, raising new prospects 
for the possible existence of life beyond Earth, Freund added.

The hydrogen that could feed bacteria in the depth of the Earth 
comes from a subtle chemical reaction that occurs within rocks that 
were once hot or even molten. In the top 20 kilometers (12.4 miles) 
of Earth's crust, Freund said, the conditions are right to produce 
a nearly inexhaustible supply of hydrogen. In the top 5 to10 
kilometers (about 3 to 6 miles) all fissures and cracks in the rocks 
are probably filled with water. Hydrogen molecules will seep out of 
the mineral grains, enter the intergranular space and saturate the 
water. Microorganisms that live in these water films can be expected 
to use this hydrogen as their vital energy source.

Many of the microorganisms in the 'deep biosphere' do not live off 
the sunlight-derived energy that green plants trap during 
photosynthesis, but live on chemically derived energy sources such as 
hydrogen, according to Freund. If deep microbial communities are to 
thrive over long periods of time, they need a steady supply of 
hydrogen, he said.

It has long been known that hydrogen gas is produced when water 
reaches freshly formed cracks in many common rocks, but Freund's 
paper describes a different hydrogen-producing reaction that occurs 
inside the minerals that make up such rocks. This reaction does not 
require rocks to crack - a necessarily episodic event. Instead, it 
occurs in the entire rock volume during its gradual cooling as 
continents slowly age over millions of years. Because the Earth's 
crust contains a huge quantity of rock, even a small amount of 
hydrogen produced in each small section of rock results in a large 
volume of gas.

To understand the details of this hydrogen-producing reaction, Freund 
said, requires some insight into the structure of minerals where 
silicon, oxygen and metals have combined to form a dense pack of 
atoms and ions. When these minerals crystallize at high temperatures, 
water is always present, and some water molecules are trapped in the 
atomic structure of the minerals, said Freund. These water molecules 
are ripped apart and change into hydroxyl anions, each of which is 
negatively charged and has one oxygen ion with a proton attached.

During cooling, at temperatures below 400 to 500 degrees C (752 to 
932 degrees F), a strange reaction takes place. Pairs of these 
hydroxyl anions rearrange their electrons in such a way that hydrogen 
gas molecules are formed, Freund said.

What is unusual and still not fully understood, said Freund, is that 
the electrons needed to make the hydrogen molecules are taken away 
from negatively charged oxygen anions. Suddenly, some oxygen anions, 
which everybody thought only existed in a doubly charged negative 
state, convert to singly charged negative ions, he said. These 
single negative oxygen anions join in pairs. In this form, they are 
innocuous and can stay inactive over geological times. 

The hydrogen molecules, however, wander around inside the mineral 
structure and can squeeze into the narrow spaces between the mineral 
grains. If the intergranular space is filled with water, the hydrogen 
molecules will dissolve in the water. If microbes live in the 
intergranular water films, one can imagine, said Freund, that these 
bacteria extract the dissolved hydrogen from the water and use this 
hydrogen as an energy source, not unlike fish that extract oxygen 
dissolved in the water of rivers, lakes and the sea to respire.

What is potentially important, Freund said, is that, if and when 
microorganisms in the deep underground use this hydrogen dissolved in 
the intergranular water films, the rocks around them will replenish 
the hydrogen supply - indefinitely, over eons of time.

The paper by Freund and his coworkers also may help answer 
non-biological questions related to the commercial viability of 
tapping hydrogen reserves deep in the rocks and to questions of mine 
safety. For example, sometimes, during mining and drilling 
operations, enough hydrogen seeps out of wall rocks that explosive 
gas mixtures can be produced, according to some reports.

Since old, old times, the mining industry has had 

[meteorite-list] New Ebay Auctions

2002-04-03 Thread Matteo Chinellato

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall In Uganda?

2002-04-03 Thread Ron Baalke



http://www.newvision.co.ug/detail.php?subCatId=7subCatName=Nationalstory=37942

Meteorites sighted in the West
By Emmanuel Mulondo
The New Vision (Uganda)
April 3, 2002

TONGUES of fire flew across the dark skies of Kabarole, Mubende, Bundibugyo,
Kyenjojo and Kamwenge districts in western Uganda on Wednesday night. 
Residents were filled with fear as eight glowing objects flew across the
skies. 

Some thought the objects that left brilliant trails of light behind them,
were missiles fired from the Democratic Republic of Congo. 
Residents of Fort Portal town saw the objects flying south-eastwards, before
disappearing below the horizon within a few minutes. 
Scared soldiers of the Rwenzori Alpine Brigade fired into the air hoping to
shoot them down. 

Wildlife officials in Kabarole said the glowing objects were seen falling in
the forests between Mubende, Kyenjojo and Kamwenge. 
Forensic experts from Kabamba Military Barracks and meteorology officials
rushed to the scene on Thursday [March 28]. 

The UPDF spokesman, Major Shaban Bantariza, on Thursday said the army had
confirmed that the objects called meteorites, were rocks falling onto the
earth from the outer space. 

Similar objects landed on the Rwenzori mountains in 1982 and in Mbale in
1995. Scientists say thousands of meteorites land on earth every year. 
However, the majority are not recorded because they fall into seas or remote
areas. 

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[meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread Jay Haynes
Hi List,
While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites have really weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or know where I can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collecting I always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was (I-and-E). The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale) or (ma-bale)?
Clear Skies  Happy Hunting,

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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread Tom

I need some help too. Maybe one of you willing to make us few lists with
names and pronuncations. Maybe many of us may realize that we spoke those
word incorrect way.

Tom Perry




 Hi List,
 
 While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites have really
 weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or know where I
 can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collecting I
 always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was (I-and-E).
 The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale) or
 (ma-bale)?
 
 
 Clear Skies  Happy Hunting,
 
 Jay Haynes
 
 IMCA Member #:6905
 
 www.geocities.com/cdnastronomer/meteorite.html
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RE: [meteorite-list] Viewer's Guide to New Comet Ikeya-Zhang

2002-04-03 Thread Radosevich, Dave

Tracy,
Make the drive! It will be well worth it! Comet tail is 10+degs in Binos..
Go to www.starcruiser.com and check out the movie.
Dave

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Viewer's Guide to New Comet Ikeya-Zhang


Has anyone been able to get a good look/ take pictures of this comet?
Viewing conditions in Maui have been crappy, with a nearly constant high
overcast for the last 2 weeks, and horizon haze otherwise.  And I'm too
lazy to drive up 45 minutes to the tip-top of Haleakala and brave the
chill and wind for 20 minutes of maybe-viewing before the comet sets at
this latitude :-)  For an island that has such great tourist appeal, we
haven't had much amateur astronomy appeal lately.

Tracy Latimer
--admits to being a cosmic wimpout--


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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread David Freeman

Dear All,
I had my favorite paleobotanist exclaim:  I don't care how you pronounce 
it, tomatoe or tomatow as long as you know what you are talking about... 
  We were discussing parenchima, and zylom and phloem.   My personal 
favorite is chalcedony  pronounced cal-ced-knee.
Ahpalled at opal pronounced oh-pull, as apposed to Opal, which is 
O-pal, a small town west of here.
Dave F.

Tom wrote:

I need some help too. Maybe one of you willing to make us few lists with
names and pronuncations. Maybe many of us may realize that we spoke those
word incorrect way.

Tom Perry




Hi List,

While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites have really
weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or know where I
can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collecting I
always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was (I-and-E).
The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale) or
(ma-bale)?


Clear Skies  Happy Hunting,

Jay Haynes

IMCA Member #:6905

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[meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread Matson, Robert

Hi Tom, Jay and List,

I posted a message to Meteorite Central about this very issue
(pronunciation) last year, but no one decided to bite at the
time.  (I had asked about Ghubara).  As for Allende, I've
always pronounced it:  Ah-yen'-day.  How 'bout Sikhote-Alin?
My guess has been:  Si-ko'-tay Al-in'... --Rob

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation


I need some help too. Maybe one of you willing to make us few lists with
names and pronuncations. Maybe many of us may realize that we spoke those
word incorrect way.

Tom Perry

 Hi List,
 
 While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites have
really
 weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or know
where I
 can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collecting
I
 always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was
(I-and-E).
 The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale)
or
 (ma-bale)?
 
 
 Clear Skies  Happy Hunting,
 
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[meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread Matson, Robert

Hi Serguei,

 In Russian it sounds like Si-ho-te Al'-in'
 Actually it is Chinise name.

How interesting!  I wouldn't have guessed.  Given that spelling
conversions from Cyrillic (or Chinese) are somewhat arbitrary,
one would question the choice of a k if no hard K sound is
in the name... --Rob

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread Matson, Robert

Hi Dave,

 I mean, how DO you say Gao Gueniebuggered if I know!

I assume Gao rhymes with Tao.  Guenie?  You've got me.
Rhymes with Benny?  --Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread Martin Horejsi

Hi All,

One I always hear mispronounced is Willamette.

It is said as wil-LAM-it

Not will-a-MET as so many non-Oregonians say.

By the way, that's ORE-a-gun, not or-E-gone or ORE-e-gun.


Martin in ID (not Indiana)


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[meteorite-list] Re: Rare Leighlinbridge for sale

2002-04-03 Thread Thomas Kurtz

Hello Dave, hello everyone,

 I have (or very soon will have) a 1.548g slice of the last fall of the
 Millennium, Leighlinbridge, Ireland, 28th Nov 1999, about 10pm...


To be exact, there is a different last fall of the millenium :
18.01.2000 : Tagish Lake.

It is destiny, that the last millenium fall is a very unusual meteorite and
not a common type !

Best wishes,

Thomas Kurtz.

Web Site :   http://www.stud.fh-hannover.de/~kurtzt



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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall In Uganda?

2002-04-03 Thread Michael Farmer

No thanks, too far, too scary there for me.
Cival Wars are not my idea of a good time.
Mike Farmer
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 Mike Farmer should be rested up by now.  He has been home a whole week!
Go
 for it Mike.

 ;)

 Mike Tettenborn
 Owen Sound, Ontario


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 From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:57 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall In Uganda?


 
 
 

http://www.newvision.co.ug/detail.php?subCatId=7subCatName=Nationalstory=3
 7942
 
  Meteorites sighted in the West
  By Emmanuel Mulondo
  The New Vision (Uganda)
  April 3, 2002
 
  TONGUES of fire flew across the dark skies of Kabarole, Mubende,
 Bundibugyo,
  Kyenjojo and Kamwenge districts in western Uganda on Wednesday night.
  Residents were filled with fear as eight glowing objects flew across the
  skies.
 
  Some thought the objects that left brilliant trails of light behind
them,
  were missiles fired from the Democratic Republic of Congo.
  Residents of Fort Portal town saw the objects flying south-eastwards,
 before
  disappearing below the horizon within a few minutes.
  Scared soldiers of the Rwenzori Alpine Brigade fired into the air hoping
 to
  shoot them down.
 
  Wildlife officials in Kabarole said the glowing objects were seen
falling
 in
  the forests between Mubende, Kyenjojo and Kamwenge.
  Forensic experts from Kabamba Military Barracks and meteorology
officials
  rushed to the scene on Thursday [March 28].
 
  The UPDF spokesman, Major Shaban Bantariza, on Thursday said the army
had
  confirmed that the objects called meteorites, were rocks falling onto
the
  earth from the outer space.
 
  Similar objects landed on the Rwenzori mountains in 1982 and in Mbale in
  1995. Scientists say thousands of meteorites land on earth every year.
  However, the majority are not recorded because they fall into seas or
 remote
  areas.
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation pt.2

2002-04-03 Thread Jay Haynes

Here's an idea. I will volunteer to keep a online database on my site of as many meteorites and how to pronounce them so we can all get this figured out. If anyone knows how to pronounce alot of the meteorite names please send me an e-mail with the ones you know and I will put a site up so we can all get to know how.
Clear Skies  Happy Hunting,

Jay Haynes

IMCA Member #:6905

www.geocities.com/cdnastronomer/meteorite.html





From: "Matson, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation 
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:40:21 -0800 
 
Hi Tom, Jay and List, 
 
I posted a message to Meteorite Central about this very issue 
(pronunciation) last year, but no one decided to bite at the 
time. (I had asked about Ghubara). As for Allende, I've 
always pronounced it: Ah-yen'-day. How 'bout Sikhote-Alin? 
My guess has been: Si-ko'-tay Al-in'... --Rob 
 
-Original Message- 
From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:10 AM 
To: Jay Haynes; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation 
 
 
I need some help too. Maybe one of you willing to make us few lists with 
names and pronuncations. Maybe many of us may realize that we spoke those 
word incorrect way. 
 
Tom Perry 
 
  Hi List, 
  
  While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites have 
really 
  weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or know 
where I 
  can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collecting 
I 
  always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was 
(I-and-E). 
  The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale) 
or 
  (ma-bale)? 
  
  
  Clear Skies  Happy Hunting, 
  
  Jay Haynes 
  
  IMCA Member #:6905 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] A public thank you to Mike Farmer

2002-04-03 Thread Dennis Bomke

I will have to add my thanks.  I received mine today and they are excellent
specimens.

Thanks again Mike.

Dennis

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 I'll second that. I received my piece today and it's outstanding. Much
 better than I imagined. And was even able to find it on Mike's website
photo
 of the loot :-)

 Hope he never tires of the chase.

 Sincerely appreciative,
 Frank

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 Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:27 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] A public thank you to Mike Farmer


 
  Just wanted to take the opportunity to thank Mike for
  his dedicated, almost insane, drive to travel and endure
  what he went through to bring back a truly nice new
  fall - not to mention the price he was willing to let it sell for!
  I know many on the list feel the same way!
 
  Bensour is a delight to hold and examine with its
  contrasting black crust and internal light grayish
  colored matrix!
 
  Mike, you certainly do fall in the same category
  as Bob Haag, Ron Hartman, Richard Norton and others,
  on and off of this list as a bonafide meteorite hunter!
 
  Congratulations and thank you!
 
  Mal
  IMCA #6819
 
 
 
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[meteorite-list] Re: *AD* New Meteorites for Sale

2002-04-03 Thread Iris Lang

Dear meteorite list members,

R.A. Langheinrich Meteorites has finished a large update of its Meteorites
For Sale catalog, with many new photos. We have over 200 specimens listed
(75 different meteorite types). Please take a look:

http://www.nyrockman.com/catalog.htm

New sale material includes:

Abee (brecciated and unbrecciated)
Allende (individuals and end cuts)
Atlanta
Axtell
Canyon Diablo -- very high quality individuals with good shapes
Cumberland Falls
DAG 305  (LL5)
DAG 476  (Martian)
DAG 485  (ureilite)
Dandapur (witnessed fall 1878)
Estherville
Hamada al Hamra 237  (bencubbinite)
Hvittis
Imilac
Portales Valley
Tierra Blanca
Udei Station

The Canyon Diablos are really nice:

http://www.nyrockman.com/pages/sale-cd-groups.htm

Also there are only a few days left on our special sale of Juvinas,
witnessed fall France (1821) at bargain basement prices. Any pieces not sold
this week will be returned to our regular inventory at their regular prices:

http://www.nyrockman.com/special.htm

Thank you for your interest,

Iris Lang
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation pt.2

2002-04-03 Thread Tom
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation pt.2



Good idea and also I already ask the meteoritetimes about to put a word or two names along with the pronuncations in every month but I havent heard from them yet.

Tom Perry



Here's an idea. I will volunteer to keep a online database on my site of as many meteorites and how to pronounce them so we can all get this figured out. If anyone knows how to pronounce alot of the meteorite names please send me an e-mail with the ones you know and I will put a site up so we can all get to know how.


Clear Skies  Happy Hunting,

Jay Haynes

IMCA Member #:6905

www.geocities.com/cdnastronomer/meteorite.html http://www.geocities.com/cdnastronomer/meteorite.html 

From: Matson, Robert 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation 
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:40:21 -0800 
 
Hi Tom, Jay and List, 
 
I posted a message to Meteorite Central about this very issue 
(pronunciation) last year, but no one decided to bite at the 
time. (I had asked about Ghubara). As for Allende, I've 
always pronounced it: Ah-yen'-day. How 'bout Sikhote-Alin? 
My guess has been: Si-ko'-tay Al-in'... --Rob 
 
-Original Message- 
From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:10 AM 
To: Jay Haynes; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation 
 
 
I need some help too. Maybe one of you willing to make us few lists with 
names and pronuncations. Maybe many of us may realize that we spoke those 
word incorrect way. 
 
Tom Perry 
 
  Hi List, 
  
  While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites have 
really 
  weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or know 
where I 
  can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collecting 
I 
  always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was 
(I-and-E). 
  The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale) 
or 
  (ma-bale)? 
  
  
  Clear Skies  Happy Hunting, 
  
  Jay Haynes 
  
  IMCA Member #:6905 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread Impactika
In a message dated 4/3/2002 2:33:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 I mean, how DO you say "Gao Guenie"buggered if I know!

I assume Gao rhymes with Tao. Guenie? You've got me.
Rhymes with Benny? --Rob


You got that one right!

Gao like Tao, Guenie like Gwen - Knee
Now who wants to try "Orgueil" or "L'Aigle" or "Tafassasset" ?


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[meteorite-list] Weston Newspaper Copies Mailed - Kofelsite

2002-04-03 Thread Mark Bostick



Hello Everybody,

I mailed the copies of the Weston Newspaper to all 
those that requested it. If you don't recieve it in a week or so let me 
know and I'll resend another. If anyone else would still like a copy of 
the Newspaper article of the first America fall...let me know. 


Kofelsite. I had a research sheet that listed 
a lot of papers done on the area and site but I can't seem to find it anywhere. 
I would think that more listees would have brought up information but maybe most 
people don't care? As many of you probley know I am the one selling it on 
eBay. As impactite, which I believe it is.And there is evidence to 
suggest the landslide was caused by the impact or happened around the same 
time.And sure, I will give anyone that one day it may be proved not to be 
an impact site. Ihowever believe, we do not seeall the clues 
to an impact.The our science is too focused.It is well known certain 
minerals happen and certain tempatures are reached and the like. So that 
is what we look for. Without making a forever long e-mail, this is 
the same argument we could have had aboutLibyan Glass and Darwin Glass 
just a couple years ago. At Kofels, at least we have out 
depression.

Mark Bostick "The Big Collector"

PS: See my eBay auctionssorry had to 
throw that in.


Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread trandall
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite
pronunciation



 Not me, my tongue hurts enough already!

Regards,

Tom Randall

P.S. I just got my copies of the Cambridge Encyclopedia of
meteorites and the Catalogue of meteorites today! I'm in heaven at the
moment! 2 specimens of Bensour from Mike should be here soon too! A
good week for me.



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dated 4/3/2002 2:33:12 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I mean,
how DO you say Gao Gueniebuggered if I know!

I assume Gao rhymes with Tao. Guenie? You've got me.
Rhymes with Benny? --Rob




You got that one right!

Gao like Tao, Guenie like Gwen - Knee
Now who wants to try Orgueil or L'Aigle
or Tafassasset ?


Anne Black
IMCA #2356
www.IMPACTIKA.com
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread Tracy Latimer

Ideally, we could get native speakers from the regions in question to give
us the last word in pronunciation of various meteorite names.  That way,
no one would be subjected to my mangling of Chassigny or Tissemoumine!

Tracy Latimer


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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread MARK BOSTICK
 Sorry to get off subject slightly...  A couple months ago I was traveling through Mexico (Since I was in Tuscon anyway) and I noticed many streets where named Allende, resturants and other places used Allende as part of it name. It made me want to steal a street sign, just kidding.That would have been a bad ideal, the border guards where curious enough about my earthmagnets Anyway, so I guess I was saying they have Allende named things everywhere in Mexico. For those that do not knowAllende was one of the first (I think the second) freedom fighter leaders. You know...for Mexican Independance...  Mark Bostick "The Big Collector"  - Original Message - From: Rhett Bourland Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:00 PM To: Matson, Robert; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation Your pronunciation of Allende is correct Robert. I remember two things from7th grade spanish. One is that when there are two ll's next to each otherin a word its pronounced like a "y." The other is "Hola, me llamo es muyfeo avion." I just took the class. I didn't say I did well in it.Best,Rhett Bourlandwww.asteroidmodels.comwww.asteroidmodels.com/personalwww.meteoritecollectors.org-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matson,RobertSent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:40 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciationHi Tom, Jay and List,I posted a message to Meteorite Central about this very issue(pronunciation) last year, but no one decided to bite at thetime. (I had asked about Ghubara). As for Allende, I'vealways pronounced it: Ah-yen'-day. How 'bout Sikhote-Alin?My guess has been: Si-ko'-tay Al-in'... --Rob-Original Message-From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:10 AMTo: Jay Haynes; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciationI need some help too. Maybe one of you willing to make us few lists withnames and pronuncations. Maybe many of us may realize that we spoke thoseword incorrect way.Tom Perry Hi List, While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites havereally weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or knowwhere I can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collectingI always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was(I-and-E). The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale)or (ma-bale)? Clear Skies  Happy Hunting, Jay Haynes IMCA Member #:6905__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation Allende

2002-04-03 Thread Michael Blood

In Spanish  double ls are pronounced as y in English - as in 
La Jolla - so, it is Ah - yen - day
Michael


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[meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread Ing. Christian ANGER



Ever heard of Zaklodzie 
?

"Sa gwod 
shee"

Christian


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[meteorite-list] Last fall of millenium

2002-04-03 Thread Matson, Robert

Hi Christian,

The millenium ended on December 31, 2001, so Tagish is correct.

Best,
Rob

-Original Message-
From: Ing. Christian ANGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 7:55 PM
To: Meteorite-List@Meteoritecentral. Com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Rare Leighlinbridge for sale


Hi Thomas !

The defintive last fall of the millenium is Moravka - May 6, 2000 - Czech
Republic !

Greetings,

Christian


Thomas Kurt wrote:
Hello Dave, hello everyone,

To be exact, there is a different last fall of the millenium :
18.01.2000 : Tagish Lake.

It is destiny, that the last millenium fall is a very unusual meteorite and
not a common type !

Best wishes,

Thomas Kurtz.

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[meteorite-list] Humor NOT meteorite related:

2002-04-03 Thread Troy Bell




Hope this doesn't offend anyone. I 
just thought it was funny being the techie I am.
Troy Bell
Dear Tech Support: 

 Last year I 
upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a slow  down in 
the performance of the flower and jewelry applications that had  
operated flawlessly under the Boyfriend 5.0 system. In addition, Husband 
 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.9, 
but  installed undesirable programs such as NFL 7.4, NBA 3.2 and NHL 
4.1.  Conversation 8.0 also no longer runs and Housecleaning 2.6 
simply crashes  the system. I've tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix 
these problems, but to  no avail. What can I do? 
Signed, Desperate 

Dear Desperate: 

First, keep in mind 
that Boyfriend 5.0 was an entertainment package, while Husband 1.0 is an 
operating system. Try to enter the command C:/I THOUGHT YOU LOVED ME and 
install Tears 6.2. Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the 
applications: Guilt 3.3 and Flowers 7.5. But remember, overuse can cause 
Husband 1.0 to default to such background applications as Grumpy Silence 
2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1. Please remember that Beer 6.1 is a very 
bad program that will create SnoringLoudly.WAV files. DO NOT install 
Mother-In-Law 1.0 or reinstall another Boyfriend program. These are not 
supported applications and will crash Husband 1.0. It could also 
potentially cause Husband 1.0 to default to the program: Girlfriend 9.2, 
which runs in the background and has been known to introduce potentially 
serious viruses into the Operating System. 
In summary., 
Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have a limited memory and can't 
learn new applications quickly. You might consider buying additional 
software to enhance his system performance. I personally recommend Hot Food 
3.0 and Single Malt Scotch 4.5 combined with such applications as Boob Job 
3.6D and that old standby Lingerie 6.x (which have both been credited with 
improved performance of his hardware). 
Good Luck, Tech 
Support 



RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread John Gwilliam

I believe La Criolla holds to the same Spanish pronunciation as Allende
with the ll sound of ye or ya.La
- cree - o - yaw. This is assuming the name place is a Spanish name
and not Portuguese.

As for Mbale, I have a friend from that part of Africa and his last name
is Ncube. He pronounces it new - bay.
If the same pronunciation conventions applies to Mbale, then it
would sound like ma - lay.

Rob Elliott's Leighlinbridge isn't pronounced the way it
looks. I believe it is pronounced lock - lynn -
bridge. Rob can clarify this one.

Go figure.

At least I know how to pronounce most of the Arizona meteorites.
How far off can you be with Cat Mountain?

John

At 07:38 PM 4/3/02 -0700, Matt Morgan wrote:
How
about La Criolla? I heard from Eduardo (meteorites.com) say it like
La Crioche. Is that correct or was my hearing messed? Same
with Mocs, Gero Kurat from Vienna said Mocsh. Werid to
me.
Matt

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In a message dated 4/3/2002 2:33:12 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 




 I mean, how DO you say Gao Gueniebuggered if I
know! 


I assume Gao rhymes with Tao. Guenie? You've got me. 
Rhymes with Benny? --Rob 


You got that one right! 


Gao like Tao, Guenie like Gwen - Knee 
Now who wants to try Orgueil or
L'Aigle or Tafassasset ? 




Anne Black 
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e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread rockhoundm



Dear Matt and List
Pronunciation of the LL in different countries is 
not the same, even inArgentina we have at least 3 very ways to pronounce 
theLL. The "porteños" (Buenos Aires citizens) like mepronounce in 
the way you heard.
Eduardo

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Matt 
  Morgan 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:38 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite 
  pronunciation
  
  How 
  about La Criolla? I heard from Eduardo (meteorites.com) say it like "La 
  Crioche". Is that correct or was my hearing messed? Same with Mocs, Gero Kurat 
  from Vienna said "Mocsh". Werid to me.
  Matt
  
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciationIn a message dated 4/3/2002 2:33:12 PM 
Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
 I mean, how DO you say "Gao Guenie"buggered if I 
  know! I assume Gao rhymes with Tao. Guenie? You've got 
  me. Rhymes with Benny? --Rob You got that 
one right! Gao like Tao, Guenie like Gwen - Knee Now 
who wants to try "Orgueil" or "L'Aigle" or "Tafassasset" ? 
Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread Michael Farmer



Eduardo pronouces La Criolla with the LL in the 
sound of a J, all people from Argentina, Uruguay,and southern Chile pronounce 
the doubleL that way, it is linguistic nuance, in all other Spanish 
speaking countries, double L is pronounced like ya or ye. I was a linguist in 
Army Intelligence, Spanish was my language. 
Mike Farmer

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  John 
  Gwilliam 
  To: Matt Morgan ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:26 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite 
  pronunciation
  I believe La Criolla holds to the same Spanish pronunciation as 
  Allende with the "ll" sound of "ye" or "ya".La - cree - o - yaw. 
  This is assuming the name place is a Spanish name and not 
  Portuguese.As for Mbale, I have a friend from that part of Africa and 
  his last name is Ncube. He pronounces it "new - bay". 
  If the same pronunciation conventions applies to Mbale, then it would 
  sound like "ma - lay".Rob Elliott's "Leighlinbridge" isn't pronounced 
  the way it looks. I believe it is pronounced "lock - lynn - 
  bridge". Rob can clarify this one.Go figure.At least I 
  know how to pronounce most of the Arizona meteorites. How far off can 
  you be with "Cat Mountain"?JohnAt 07:38 PM 4/3/02 -0700, Matt 
  Morgan wrote:
  How about La Criolla? I heard from Eduardo 
(meteorites.com) say it like "La Crioche". Is that correct or was my hearing 
messed? Same with Mocs, Gero Kurat from Vienna said "Mocsh". Werid to 
me.Matt

  
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In a message dated 4/3/2002 2:33:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 

   I mean, how DO you say "Gao Guenie"buggered if I know! 
  
  I assume Gao rhymes with Tao. Guenie? You've got me. 
  Rhymes with Benny? --Rob 
You got that one right! 
Gao like Tao, Guenie like Gwen - Knee 
Now who wants to try "Orgueil" or "L'Aigle" or 
"Tafassasset" ? 
Anne Black 
IMCA #2356 
www.IMPACTIKA.com 
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread rockhoundm



For me is easier to pronounce La Criolla that Cat 
Mountain, it depends on if you are from the country where the meteorite was 
found... and even that not allways works. Look for example our Angrite, 
D'Orbigny. It was found 400km from home and I needed a lesson from Anne to get 
the right pronunciation!.
Eduardo

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  John 
  Gwilliam 
  To: Matt 
  Morgan ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:26 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite 
  pronunciation
  I believe La Criolla holds to the same Spanish pronunciation as 
  Allende with the "ll" sound of "ye" or "ya".La - cree - o - yaw. 
  This is assuming the name place is a Spanish name and not 
  Portuguese.At least I know how to pronounce most of the Arizona 
  meteorites. How far off can you be with "Cat 
  Mountain"?JohnAt 07:38 PM 4/3/02 -0700, Matt Morgan 
  wrote:
  How about La Criolla? I heard from Eduardo 
(meteorites.com) say it like "La Crioche". Is that correct or was my hearing 
messed? Same with Mocs, Gero Kurat from Vienna said "Mocsh". Werid to 
me.Matt

  
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In a message dated 4/3/2002 2:33:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 

   I mean, how DO you say "Gao Guenie"buggered if I know! 
  
  I assume Gao rhymes with Tao. Guenie? You've got me. 
  Rhymes with Benny? --Rob 
You got that one right! 
Gao like Tao, Guenie like Gwen - Knee 
Now who wants to try "Orgueil" or "L'Aigle" or 
"Tafassasset" ? 
Anne Black 
IMCA #2356 
www.IMPACTIKA.com 
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Pronunciation Guide

2002-04-03 Thread John Gwilliam

After following this thread for just one evening, it is evident that most 
of use pronounce meteorite names incorrectly.

It looks to me like an opportunity for another O. Richard Norton 
book...;-)

Night all,

John
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[meteorite-list] RE:Last fall of millenium

2002-04-03 Thread Ing. Christian Anger

Hi Rob !

Why ?

Tagish Lake : January 18, 2000
Moravka : May 06, 2000
End of millenium : December 31, 2001 (your words)
(even it is December 31, 2000 - Moravka is later than Tagish) 

So I think May is later than Jaunary or..?

Best wishes,

Christian









Original message:
Hi Christian,

The millenium ended on December 31, 2001, so Tagish is correct.

Best,
Rob



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[meteorite-list] O.T. Comet Ikeya-Zhang image

2002-04-03 Thread Ginger Mayfield

Tracy,

I've been out there trying to get a decent image of the
comet for the last 3 weeks.  I've been using my digital
camera and finally got a pretty good set of images on the
29th.  This is 6, 16 second images stacked, taken though a
10 Dob on a tracking platform.  The comet is quite
beautiful with a bright core and long tail.  It appears very
bluish green under dark skies.  It should look much better
with some elevation of your viewing location.  I took my
image at 9400 ft. elevation in the Colorado Rockies.  Am
hoping to get a chance to image it tomorrow night when it's
very near the Andromeda Galaxy.  

http://home.earthlink.net/~chikadee/cometIZ32902ip01.jpg

There are some great IZ comet images at spaceweather.com

Ginger

Tracy wrote:

Has anyone been able to get a good look/ take pictures of
this comet?
Viewing conditions in Maui have been crappy, with a nearly
constant high
overcast for the last 2 weeks, and horizon haze otherwise. 
And I'm too
lazy to drive up 45 minutes to the tip-top of Haleakala and
brave the
chill and wind for 20 minutes of maybe-viewing before the
comet sets at
this latitude :-)  For an island that has such great tourist
appeal, we
haven't had much amateur astronomy appeal lately.

Tracy Latimer
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation

2002-04-03 Thread Michael Blood

Michael and all,
There are a wide variety of pronunciations of Spanish words, 
depending on country and even regeon.
However, Allende is in central Mexico - not Argentina or Portugal  
MOST people consider proper pronunciation to be the way a location
name is pronounced in the area in which it is located.
This is a topic that could go on FOREVER, with good arguments made
for a variety of pronunciation of MANY meteorites - for instance, we
pronounce the French city of Paris, Pare-iss - there, it is pronounced,
Par-ee.
Whatcha gunna do?
Michael



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[meteorite-list] pronounciation

2002-04-03 Thread Dave Harris

...I think Leighlinbridge is horrible enough to pronounce
(Locklinbridge) - who'da guessed?!!
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