[meteorite-list] Amargosa meteorite
Hi list ! Does anybody have detailed information of the Amargosa meteorite ? It is not listed in the Cat.o.Meteorites 5th Ed. Why ? I only found it in http://epswww.unm.edu/iom/meteoritecatalog.htm Does it have a synomym ? Greetings, Christian Versendet durch Jet2Web Internet - Webmail (webmail.jet2web.net) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Orgueil inclusions
Hi there! I think that the fine white crystals you see are sulphate efflorescences that are on all specimens of Orgueil and are caused by terrestriallisation ie reaction of moisture with various compounds within the matrix. See Gounelle Zolensky, A terrestrial origin for sulfate veins in CI1 chondrites published in the Meteoritics and Planetary Science, Vol. 36, No. 10, Oct 2001 for the complete article! Spinally yours, Still awaiting my spine op dave -- In gentle decay, dave IMCA #0092 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) http://www.meteorites.ic24.net/index.html http://www.meteoritecollectors.org I have a proof that x^n+y^n=z^n never has integer solutions for n2. However, it won't fit into my signature file __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Amargosa meteorite
Christian wrote: Does anybody have detailed information of the Amargosa meteorite ? It is not listed in the Cat.o.Meteorites 5th Ed. Hello Christian and List, I haven't got very much either: Amargosa, H5 Julimes, Chihuahua, Mexico Find 1993, March TKW: 85 kg Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (no subject)
Hi list. I'm still looking for people to trade fossils for meteorites. The total value is around $400. Ido not care if I get just 1 meteorite for all these. They are quality fossils, so no junk here. I AM A METEORITE COLLECTOR! I have had some reply's, but nothing I can hang my hat on. Please let me know. Ireally want to depart with these. p.s. I'll work with anyone on making a deal. EEELLL!S. R. Arnold, Chicago!!
[meteorite-list] Dr.Zipfel wanted
Hello all I have write to Dr.Zipfel for many times, but I no have received answer. Any of you have informations where is go? Thanks. Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Mercury Meteorite Puzzle
Hi Ron, all - Most fascinating to read the comments on the formation of olivine, particularly as it relates to parent body size(s). Pressure seems to be the key. It strikes me that there would have been at least 2 sources of pressure - one, gravity; and two, the cooled outer crust pressing against the still molten core. I imagine one could write up a nifty computer program relating the two, dump in the olivine formation pressure, et voila. Another question crosses my mind on this, which is whether anyone has ever added together the estimated masses of each of the known LPBE impactors. all the best - ep --- Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The evidence of linking E chrondites to Mercury or Venus is that the pyroxene in these meteorites contains no iron, only magnesium. The pyroxene in most meteorites would be expected to have a ratio of magnesium and iron depending upon the availability of oxygen. The lack of iron in the pyroxene in the E chrondites is due to a low oxygen content, and one way to explain this if the meteorite had formed somewhere close to the Sun. Hence, if these E chrondites had originated from Mercury or Venus, then that would explain their lack of iron. This would also apply if the parent body was an asteroid that formed inside of Earth's orbit. Could be, except that olivine is found as massive formations of large olivine crystals without an iron matrix, just not in meteorites. One notable location is the San Carlos Apache reservation where unaltered mantle material was erupted to the surface. It is now mined for gem quality olivine, commonly known as peridot. So the question remains if there are olivine crystals 60 to 100 kilometers deep on earth (the depth of the peridot source) why haven't we found meteorites composed of just olivine crystals? 99% of meteorites come from asteroids, so your Earth analogy is not very applicable. There are large deposits of diamonds and gold in Earth, too, but I would not expect to find diamond meteorites or gold meteorites. The mineralogy formed inside a low-gravity body like an asteroid is not exactly the same as from the Earth. There is no currently accepted answer. I just suggested a plausible scenario with the iron molten core for asteroid, which you haven't countered, but I'll repeat it for you again. My guess would be the olivine crytals came about when the chondrite layer interacted with the molten iron core. Since the olivine is intermixed with the nickel-iron , that implies that they were mixed together when the metal portion was in a hot molten form, which futher implies the chondritic material was exposed to high temperatures and probably some pressure as well. Due to the exposure to the high temperatures, the olivine was converted to a crystalline form. That would explain why you only see the olivine crystals only in pallasites, the boundary layer between the metal core and the chondritic mantle. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] METEORITE CONTEST #3, Bensour-Suess
Hello Everybody, The moment you have all have been waiting for.:-) METEORITE CONTEST #3. This time the prize is Bensour. Please send your entries to the list and not only to me. This time entries MUST be in Dr. Suess format. 1st prize is a piece of Bensour and second and third prizes will get sub-gram pieces of Bensour. I will close the contest sometime Sunday to try to give everyone time to enter. If you have any quesitons The prize is a nice piece of Bensour, Even if you have some, you probley want more. Bensour, Bensour, Bensour you say, If you want more, want more, want more today. Then make a Dr. Suess poem, its easy to play. It weighs 2.570 grams, and has nice crust, It you collect meteorite it is a must. I'll give away a piece and try to be just. You wont find this in your local mall So come man, woman, children and all, And try to win a piece of the Bensour Fall. Thanks, Mark Bostick "The Big Collector" PS: Thanks again to Jim Strope of Catch a Falling Star for providing the moon specimen given in the last contest.
Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)
Steve, this is too many emails about this, we all saw the first and second and third.. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: SSTEVE ARNOLD To: METEORITECENTRAL Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:23 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Hi list. I'm still looking for people to trade fossils for meteorites. The total value is around $400. Ido not care if I get just 1 meteorite for all these. They are quality fossils, so no junk here. I AM A METEORITE COLLECTOR! I have had some reply's, but nothing I can hang my hat on. Please let me know. Ireally want to depart with these. p.s. I'll work with anyone on making a deal. EEELLL!S. R. Arnold, Chicago!!
Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE CONTEST #3, Bensour-Suess
Bensour the new meteorite No friend I did not say leaverite With it's beautiful black crust If you dont have any it's a must Being fresh from the sands Directly to your hands And anexcellant selection To any collection.Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Indirect Help
Jeanne wrote: I have a problem and I'm hoping someone out there will be able to help me out. I recently purchased some material which was described as Canyon Diablo Meteorites. Well, it turns out that I got a nice big baggie full of shale that came in a box with no return address. As far as I know this list comprises about 500 members. If this person should not be willing to f u l ly refund you for this fraudful offer, the list members should be told his/her name so that no one will ever buy anything from this person. Just a pinch but one that may echo far and wide! Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] cabachondrite
wanna do some cabbing. anyone know of a good, cheap very hard skyroc w/ metal that will take a pretty high polish?Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] contest #3
Hi list , I am Bensour , Bensour I am. I landed in Bensour And not in Siam. I fell from the sky with a thunderous crack So beautiful And pristine with fusion crust so black. Poked and proddedI would soon be. As classification has started on me. I turned out to be a very nice LL . For dealers and collectors to study and sell. So I am Bensour , Bensour I am. I do not like the hot desert sand. I do not like hitting rocks as I land And I hope to be sitting soon in your hand. Best Regards to all, Steven Drummond TUC :-)
[meteorite-list] Re: IMCA
All, Regarding the IMCA and eBay, I think that only positive messages should be used. Something like, Member in good standing of the IMCA. All material sold is 100% guaranteed to be genuine. Then include the logo. Simple as that. Anyone who looks around eBay should notice this logo and text on a lot of meteorite auctions. If they're smart, they should wonder why the guy claiming to have a Leonid Meteor for sale does not have such a guarantee. This positive message says _nothing_ about anyone else or their auctions. Thus, eBay can't get its knickers in a bunch over it. The only problem is the subtle implication that any dealers who are not members are somehow suspect. Unfortunately, that problem is there no matter what. Any time a business is not a member of a professional organization (take the Better Business Bureau for example) people may wonder why not. Still, I see it as an important first step. SOMETHING needs to be done, and eBay won't/can't do it. Who else does that leave? Just us. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More details.... thanks! Got had need help.
Hello list! First off, let me thank again everyone who responded so quicklyand thoughtfullyto my dilemma. I so much appreciate the kindness and generosity of this list. What a great group of people! Since I have given the seller ample time to make good, and right this situation to no avail I'm going to post all the details of the transaction in hopes that no one else will run into the same problems. The material is pale and orangy/tan in color. Some pieces are slightly attracted to a magnet (but obviously less than to a real CD), and others are not. They are mostly rather flat and angular with many having a layered appearance. The heft is also noticeably lighter than Canyon Diablos. Yes, the purchase was made on Ebay. The auction # is 1088631225 and is still available for viewing. The title of the auction is "30+ Pieces of Canyon Diablo Meteorite". As you can see, the photo is not the best. I have been tracking the sellerclosely and they have not posted any more "meteorite" auctions since the one I bought, just garage sale junk. I would be very suprised if they are members of this list, or of the "meteorite community" in general. There were some auctions of this material sold before mine, however. I do not recognize any of the bidders or winners of these auctions but I am not really familiar with people's Ebay user IDs. The user's name is Judith McCabe, with a user ID of "j.c.z.inc". This is a new user ID. The one in place for the sale of the "meteorite" material was "bubbamisen". There was no return address on the box I received in the mail, but the post mark was Oswego, NY. After expressing my dissatisfaction and wish to return the merchandise, this is the response I received from the seller: "The items sent you are deffinetly canyon diablo meteorite as listed in issue 5 of the meteorite encyclopedia. If as you say you have indeed been a dealer you would know this. We have over 150 satisfied customers with this material. And we can prove the material was collected from the crater rim. " I emailed back with a very straightforward and polite reply, explaining to the best of my ability why I felt the material was misrepresented and asking for an address to return the material. I received no reply. If anyone has any knowledge of this person, or this auction, or has had dealings with her please let me know (on or offlist). I would be interested to know. I'll keep everyone posted with what happens, just so you know. I'm also going to try to take some pictures this evening of the material I was sent next to some known Canyon Diablos, and if I can get a goodimage I will post it here so you can see it firsthand. Thank you again everyone, and any more replies I get will be most appreciated. Remember Ebayers, it's a jungle out there! : ) Regards to all, Jeannie Devon IMCA #9236 The Museum Store/The Nature Source Anchorage, AK www.thenaturesource.com __
Re: [meteorite-list] Got had and need help!
What you might want to do is find one of the many references that explains how to tell a meteorite from a meteorwrong, go down the list, and check off all that apply (i.e., meteorites are magnetic to varying degrees. Shale is not.) Submit the list to the insurance company. You might also want to bust out the listing in the MetBull or other resource for Canyon Diablo and write a short note explaining that the material in this box DOES NOT fit the official description. Hope this helps; it SUCKS to be taken. Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Here's the correct Auction #. Sorry!
Sorry about the incorrect auction number. That should have been 1088285627. Here is the link. Jeanniehttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1088285627 eBay item 1088285627 (Ends Apr-04-02 101944 PST ) - 30 plus pieces of canyon diablo meteorite.url Description: Binary data
[meteorite-list] Fw: Ebay Auctions...Reduced Prices and $1.00 start!
- Original Message - From: Michael Cottingham To: Michael Cottingham Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 6:13 PM Subject: Ebay Auctions...Reduced Prices and $1.00 start! Hello, I have a light load of auctions this week, but Many great items have been reduced and most auctions are starting at $1.00.please check it out! Go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Thanks Best Wishes Michael Cottingham
[meteorite-list] IMCA
Hi everyone, This email covers a few things that have been discussed the past few days concerning the IMCA and possible meteorwrongs on eBay. First of all, thanks to everyone who saw the discussions and decided to become a member. We're up to 129 members now and still growing. As the saying goes, the more the merrier! As for statements to accompany eBay auctions, as it stands now we already ask people to use the phrase Authenticity GUARANTEED underneath their logo. When we formed, the intent of the IMCA was to help promote the people who agree to be judged by higher standards and not to attempt to hinder the sales of non-members. The IMCA does not control the meteorite market nor do we want to. We help ensure that people who are members are honest people who can be trusted to sell exactly what they say they're selling. Someone on here (I apologize I can't remember who) suggested that a website be made showing a list of people who are known to be safe to buy from. To those of you who have not visited the IMCA's website at www.meteoritecollectors.org such a website already exists. We maintain a page with all of our current members, their IMCA number, and their email address at www.meteoritecollectors.org/numbers.htm. Again, on behalf of myself and the other IMCA directors, thank you to all of you who have joined and/or supported us in the wild ride. Also, to those of you who have not joined, I would like to invite each of you to come join a great bunch of people who love the rocks we all love so much. Warmest regards, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE CONTEST #3, Bensour-Suess
I'm not exactly sure how to pronounce Bensour so I've taken some artistic license, but here goes. Bensour, Bensour you say monsieur? Entering throught the atmosphere what did that camel herder hear? Nice and black and oh so crusty carefully cut it, it gets rusty Such a nice brecciation how I love this avocation Over land and over sea this cosmic visitor came to me Unless I talk like the good doctor how much will I have to proffer? Rhymes are fun now Mr. Bostick but did notice my acrostic? Best regards to all, Phil - Original Message - From: Mark Bostick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 9:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] METEORITE CONTEST #3, Bensour-Suess Hello Everybody, The moment you have all have been waiting for.:-) METEORITE CONTEST #3. This time the prize is Bensour. Please send your entries to the list and not only to me. This time entries MUST be in Dr. Suess format. 1st prize is a piece of Bensour and second and third prizes will get sub-gram pieces of Bensour. I will close the contest sometime Sunday to try to give everyone time to enter. If you have any quesitons The prize is a nice piece of Bensour, Even if you have some, you probley want more. Bensour, Bensour, Bensour you say, If you want more, want more, want more today. Then make a Dr. Suess poem, its easy to play. It weighs 2.570 grams, and has nice crust, It you collect meteorite it is a must. I'll give away a piece and try to be just. You wont find this in your local mall So come man, woman, children and all, And try to win a piece of the Bensour Fall. Thanks, Mark Bostick "The Big Collector" PS: Thanks again to Jim Strope of Catch a Falling Star for providing the moon specimen given in the last contest.
Re: [meteorite-list] Indirect Help
hi list Bernd Jeannie Hear hear that's without the YMCA ( oops IMCA ) I've got an '83 Range Rover that fits your description of the Diablo!! allthebest Colin - Original Message - From: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Indirect Help Jeanne wrote: I have a problem and I'm hoping someone out there will be able to help me out. I recently purchased some material which was described as Canyon Diablo Meteorites. Well, it turns out that I got a nice big baggie full of shale that came in a box with no return address. As far as I know this list comprises about 500 members. If this person should not be willing to f u l ly refund you for this fraudful offer, the list members should be told his/her name so that no one will ever buy anything from this person. Just a pinch but one that may echo far and wide! Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] contest #3
Got a BENSOUR on my table, freshly fallen, pretty stable. What a beauty with black crust, W0 state, no stains of rust What now would be really nice were a little BENSOUR slice. Cut with alc, and dried with care Where´s the expert to prepare? Fate and luck please let it be: next one falls in Germany And ... for the locality: right onto my balcony! Don´t take t seriously... :-) good night listees, Alex Berlin/Germany __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Got had and need help!
Jeannie, The material you bought could be oxidized Canyon Diablo material collected on the surface just outside the canyon rim. H. H. Nininger used some of this in some copies of his little booklet, A Comet Strikes The Earth. This may or may not be what you have, but you might have someone check it out for you. The person should however return your money if you are not satisfied, even if it is from Meteor Crater. Thomas H. Webb On Tue, 21 May 2002, MuseumStore/NatureSource wrote: Hi listees! I have a problem and I'm hoping someone out there will be able to help me out. I recently purchased some material which was described as Canyon Diablo Meteorites. Well, it turns out that I got a nice big baggie full of shale that came in a box with no return address. Gr. I've kicked myself about a dozen times for not checking out my source better. I feel like such a dope! Well, now this person refuses to let me send the material back for a refund, even though I have nicely explained why this material is not what I wanted and I am unhappy with it. Since I purchased the material with a credit card, I have decided to dispute the charge with the credit card company on the grounds that the material was misrepresented and that the seller refuses to take the merchandise back for a refund. I am really hoping that this can be resolved. Either way, I guess I learned a good lesson. The credit card company is asking for documentation explaining why the material sent is not the same as what was described. I have surfed around, but cannot find a good source for an article or explanation. I found a couple little things but nothing that really says what I need it to say in language that a non-collector (the claims person at Visa) would easily understand. Does anyone know where I could find a source for this? Or would some kind soul jot me off a paragraph I could use, and quote the source? If anyone does provide me with anything, your name would only go to Visa, not to the other party or anyone in the meteorite community. Grateful in advance, Jeannie Devon IMCA #9236 The Museum Store/The Nature Source Anchorage, AK __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] why worry?
Hello All and Dirk, I would like to reply to this one. First of all, "YES" we have to be concerned what is sold on ebay. MW sold to the Public hurts not only you, but anyone trying to make a repetition as a honest Dealer, a flood on the market of bad sells with MW could do serious damage to the manyDealers selling on ebay. What's not sold on ebay is up to the Dealers as to what and how much they want to release. " Let the buyer beware" I don't think so!. You said " Part of any hobby iseducation " this iswhy ALL of you on the list and Dirk, Must combine your stored-up information with this needed Education. This Information should be as full as it can, let's call it a "BeginnersKit to Understanding Meteorites Information Kit". This "Kit" ,must contain Basic ID,Pictures,MW, Equipment, places to search, Ball Park Prices and what they MIGHT go up to and Links.YOU on the list who are willing to take time out of your every day toils to do this,are helpingyour potential/new "CUSTOMERS" . Stop leaving them out there to wander alone through the darkness, for an Educated Buyer is a confidant person willing to spend MONEY, because he feels good about himself and what he is about to partake in and does not keep on saying to himself and (others) should I or shouldn'tI ?. "Let the buyer take the responsibility" I don't think so !. You want to Win something ?. The persons who put this together and those of you who put it up as a Link, are going to be the Winners ! Thank you for your time in reading this, Chuck Jenkins ---Original Message--- From: drtanuki Date: Monday, May 20, 2002 5:47:38 PM To: meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] why worry? Dear List Members,Why do we even have to concern ourselves as to what is or isn't soldon ebay? Let the buyer beware! Part of any hobby is education. Callit tuition if someone buys a MW. Did someone teach you what to buy ornot? Or did you, as many, take a risk and buy something without notknowing 100%? We don't have to be the Holdens of the world. Let thebuyer take the responsibility. I step back now.Sincerely, Dirk Ross..IMCA..Tokyo__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[meteorite-list] Hey this reminids me of a dinosuar
Scientists create pre plucked pink chicken This is releated to a ferocious dinosaur?? http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=590366in_review_text_id=558671 Thanks John
Re: [meteorite-list] Lawrencite-like oozing from an H6 Impact Melt Breccia
Hello all Is the same in my dhofar 010 slice I have in collection. Probably the pieces have a few water from the cut and this is not go out. The problem is you take of this and after few days return. Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
