[meteorite-list] Change of email address and eBay user name

[Rob and Colleen]

Hello all-
To any who include myself or list members in general in their private
mailings, please note in your address books that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is
dead. My new email address is now [EMAIL PROTECTED] Furthermore, for
those who follow my auctions, I have changed my eBay ID to Nakhladog.
The lizard is dead, the dog lives.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Mwrong

[Matteo Chinellato]

Hello all

Typical fusion slag? Is the time ended this persons
sale false meteorites.
Regards

Matteo

--- magellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All,
> Take a look:
>  Meteorite 5 lbs
> This looks like it might even be a meteorite in the
> eBay pict.
>  EBay Pict.
> However when you lighten it up:
>  Lightened pict 1
> Now, you can see the pitting.  Not a meteorite.
> If you wish to "lighten" pictures but have no image
> editor,
> click  HERE!
> 
> Ken Newton
> #9632
> 
> 
> 


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[meteorite-list] Ebay Mwrong

[magellon]

All,
Take a look:
 Meteorite
5 lbs
This looks like it might even be a meteorite in the eBay
pict.
 EBay
Pict.
However when you lighten it up:
 Lightened
pict 1
Now, you can see the pitting.  Not
a meteorite.
If you wish to "lighten" pictures but have no image editor,
click  HERE!
Ken Newton
#9632
 
 

[meteorite-list] Re:Help With Strange Rock

[MrX3010]

Thanks for the help and suggestions, I will perform more tests on the rock ASAP.  I acquired it at a yard sale from a dealer who appeared to have no idea of what it was, all he knew is that it was a "rock".  I got it for a quarter along with other rocks, mostly silicates and flints.  I didn't buy it because I thought it was a meteorite but because I thought it might be hematite.  So after conducting a tile test I will let you know more about this odd little rock.

Again thanks, 
Ron

Re: [meteorite-list] Winner - Meteorite Books and Quotes

[MARK BOSTICK]

Its in my 1938 edition as well.   Something else in this book I find somewhat interesting is a color plate (photo) of a meteorite falling the author had painted for him, which is also the only color plate in the book.  Probley the first time a painting was made for a meteorite book?   Mark Bostick "The Big Collector"    - Original Message - From: Walter Branch Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Winner - Meteorite Books and Quotes  Hello Everyone,   Well, it took almost all day yesterday but we do have a winner in the "who said that" contest yesterday.  The winner is (roaring drum roll)... Rick Kujawa who correctly reported that the quote was written by George P. Merrill, Former Head Curator, Department of Geology, U.S. National Museum.  I took the passage from pages 51 and 52 of the book Minerals from Earth and Sky, vol 3, The Smithsonian Series.   BTW, this is a nice little book.  It has some wonderful pictures of some old falls and finds including a beautiful picture of Willamette.  II'll try to get some images soon.  The second half of the book was written by W.F. Foshag on the topic of Gems and Gem Minerals.   Interestingly, my copy was published in 1944.  Prior publication dates include 1943, 1938, 1934, and 1929.  I don't know if the passage appeared in earlier editions but to me, the passage sounds very contemporary, as if I could have been written this year!     Thanks again to everyone who participated.    Best wishes,   -Walter ---Walter Branch, Ph.D.Branch Meteorites322 Stephenson Ave., Suite BSavannah, GA  31405 USAwww.branchmeteorites.com

Re: [meteorite-list] Daytime firebal just observed from SoCal

[John Reed]

Mark what happened was I looked up in the sky I saw a quick,  if you
hold your thumb up to the sky the tail was about as long as the width as
your thumb nail in less than 1 second   there was no fire ball just a
quick spark  that was  in the sky at about 11 o'clock 9 being on the
horizon 12 straight up or maybe 45-50 degrees Then about 3 seconds later
I heard the wind chopping sound I don't think I would of heard it if it
was over 500 ft altitude? it was a very soft sound actually a purring I
looked I remember some shadow going over me, but it was going so fast
from the time I first heard the sound 'til the time I couldn't hear it
any more was about 2 seconds  One time I figured it out with a ruler and
a piece of paper I made a horizontal line then I made a dot at  1 in
above the line then I put my ruler across the dot at the same angle I
recalled. The result was that it only went 5 x further than the height
at 50o and about 8x at 45o so if 1in equaled 500ft  It might be laying
between 1/2 to 2/3 of a mile away Also I waited and listened for it to
land I didn't hear anything I am sure that this is not exactly accuarate
of course, but I might be close who knows Here's what I was saying
because of the shape? it didn't get up to enough speed to burn up or
blow up and the shape would also be responsible for the motor like wind
chopping sound?
Thanks John

Mark Fox wrote:

> May 5, 2002
>
> Greetings Mr. John Reed and Fellow Meteorite
> Enthusiasts!
>
> Strange meteor report!  The sound observed seems
> suspiciously connected with the original (or current)
> shape of the meteorite.  I was going to suggest the
> sounds could have been "electrophonic" in origin, but
> since you clearly stated that you heard them "after"
> the appearance of the meteor and not during the
> display, that almost certainly eliminates that
> possibility.
>
> >From what you have described, perhaps it was pretty
> close, but still probably a good number of miles away.
> To judge it to be an iron, on the basis of a lack of
> fragmentation is not compelling enough evidence, I'm
> afraid.  If I remember correctly, only one of every
> two stone meteorites are said to fragment.
>
> Please, describe the brightness of the meteor as that
> may help readers get a better picture of the likely
> size of what you saw.
>
> Long strewn fields!
>
> Mark Fox
> Newaygo, MI USA
>
> --- John Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > >   Here's  interesting  meteorite experience that
> > happened when I lived
> > > in Palm Springs CA some years ago  I went out in
> > my backyard one night, it
> > > was
> > > the middle of the night , I noticed a shooting
> > star at about 11 o'clock in
> > > the
> > > sky.  12 being straight up,  it was fast with a
> > short tail all over in
> > > about 2
> > > seconds then maybe 3 seconds later the sound of
> > like a propeller chopping
> > > the
> > > wind came over the top of my head (I am going to
> > guess 150-200 ft)all in
> > > about
> > > a 10th of a second and it was literally humming
> > like a motor The general
> > > direction it was travailing  is 85% open desert
> > for about 15 miles  That
> > > was
> > > about 1986 At the time I figured meteorites were
> > fairly common occurrence
> > > so I
> > > never thought more about it
> > > This fall I am going to look for that meteorite I
> > know what direction it
> > > was
> > > traveling  and also the angle I am not sure how
> > high it was all though I
> > > heard
> > > it, but out in the desert it very quite in the
> > middle of the night .  I
> > > looked
> > > in the sky I think I remember some shadowy
> > something anyway Here's what I
> > > thought
> > > since it didn't explode it is probably an iron
> > however it has to be a
> > > strange
> > > shape to chop the wind the way it was So if it was
> > a stone then it might
> > > mean
> > > that depending on the shape of a object entering
> > the atmosphere the object
> > >
> > > would or would not pick up enough speed to burn
> > up? Also how much further
> > > do
> > > think it may have gone?
> > >   Thanks John
> > >
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[meteorite-list] Winner - Meteorite Books and Quotes

[Walter Branch]

Hello Everyone,
 
Well, it took almost all day yesterday but we do 
have a winner in the "who said that" contest yesterday.  The winner is 
(roaring drum roll)...
Rick Kujawa who correctly reported that the quote was written by George 
P. Merrill, Former Head Curator, Department of Geology, U.S. National 
Museum.  I took the passage from pages 51 and 52 of the book Minerals from 
Earth and Sky, vol 3, The Smithsonian Series.
 
BTW, this is a nice little book.  It has some wonderful pictures of 
some old falls and finds including a beautiful picture of Willamette.  
II'll try to get some images soon.  The second half of the book was written 
by W.F. Foshag on the topic of Gems and Gem Minerals.
 
Interestingly, my copy was published in 1944.  
Prior publication dates include 1943, 1938, 1934, and 1929.  I don't know 
if the passage appeared in earlier editions but to me, the passage sounds very 
contemporary, as if I could have been written this year!  
 
Thanks again to everyone who participated. 

 
Best wishes,
 
-Walter
---Walter Branch, 
Ph.D.Branch Meteorites322 Stephenson Ave., Suite BSavannah, GA  
31405 USAwww.branchmeteorites.com

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[ROCKS ON FIRE]

Hi, Ken,
sorry you missed out. :-(  It
seemed more like a joke anyway. 
How do you pronouce hir/hers ID 
hecottew

(0)
? For me it sounds like : HE GOT YOU!
 :-D 
As I said before, Down-Under, the land of laughter and larrikins.
Don't be too sad and have a nice day.

Best regards from down-under,
Norbert F. Kammel
IMCA3420
www.rocksonfire.com




  

  
  
  
  

  

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  Date: 
  Wed, 05 Jun 2002 17:53:12 -0400


  From: 
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  To: 
  ROCKS ON FIRE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


  References: 
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 Norbert, 
I sent the following to our friend yesterday: 
>Hi, 
>Do you have an export license to sell this internationally? If so please,
please send >me a photocopy. Also a pict of the meteorite would help. 
>If not you need to change your shipping description. 
>Best, 
>magellon 
Today,  I notice he closed the auction. 
Rats, just when I was going to buy it!!!  :>) 
Ken 
ROCKS ON FIRE wrote: 
Hi, Folks, 
  I am not trying to throw mud at my competitors. 
  But if  this meteorite  is really a genuine and rare Australian Meteorite
(which I would assume, looking at the asked minimum price tag), then you
would not get an Export Permit for it. This is required for all
Australian Meteorites under the UNICEF Removable Cultural Heritage Act
 , (does not apply for Australite Tektites!). 
Our Museums are quite forthcoming and often reluctant to issue a permit for
widely distributed Australian Meteorites of tghey are not of very high scientific
value, which is deeply appreciated. Even thought there are quite a few Meteorites
you would not get an Export License for. (You may have to come to Australia
and buy them here and smuggle out of the country, which is against the law!)
 ;-) 
  As this chap offers to sell internationally I certainly wolud ask 
for the permit to export. 
  This clarification is also intended to let you know, it's not me offering
this priceless heavenly gem under a new ID,
 :-P 'cause I am living in Victoria, AUSTRALIA, too. 
  Cheers, and best regards from down-under, the land of laughter and larrikins,
 :-D 
  Norbert F. Kammel 
IMCA#3420 
  www.rocksonfire.com
  
   Original Message  
  


  

  
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Wow :))
500g for $285,674.99
This is really cheap !

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Re: [meteorite-list] PORTALES

[Rosemary Hackney]

LOL Zeppieare you trying to tell us 
something??
 
How much are these again?
 
Rosie

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  robert szep 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:01 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] PORTALES
  
  Hello List... 
   
  In my opinion, Rhett's explaination of how 
  Portales was formed makes a great deal of sense. Especially where he discusses 
  the Widmansatten structure found in the thick metallic veins associated with 
  the metal-rich specimens from that mixed fall. 
   
  The basic fact that meteorites with the 
  general resemblance of ordinary chondrites, plummeted to earth along side 
  of meteorites with an appearance similar to that of a silicated iron during a 
  singular witnessed fall event is not only unusual, it is 
  unprecidented. 
   
  By the way, there is an excellent image of a 16 
  pound ... that's POUND, not gram, 'SLICE' of PORTALES VALLEY METAL-RICH 
  METEORITE featured in The Third Millennium Meteorite Calendar - 2003 edition. 
  
   
  For those who would like to see a full-size 
  image of the calendar page featuring the PORTALES specimen, just send me an 
  email reqesting the image and I'll email you a copy. 
   
   
  Robert A Szep.    

Re: [meteorite-list] portales

[magellon]

Coming Soon to a theater near you:
"Monolith Monsters VS The  Living Asphalt"
You will never drive at night again!
You will wonder at  every "bump" in the Road!
What is waiting  for YOU around the next curve?

Starring Tom Cruise,  Harrison Ford,  Kathleen Turnover,
andSigourney Weaver,  Special crater appearance  by
Brad Pitt

(Sorry Harlan)
Ken Newton




Tracy Latimer wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, David Freeman wrote:
>
> > Dear Rhett, Harlan, and List;
> > My portales story is...the neatest piece that I saw was half buried in a
> > living chunk of asphalt!
>
> ...as opposed to a DEAD chunk of asphalt?? :-)  Still, cool story.
>
> Tracy Latimer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Daytime firebal just observed from SoCal

[Mark Fox]

May 5, 2002

Greetings Mr. John Reed and Fellow Meteorite
Enthusiasts!


Strange meteor report!  The sound observed seems
suspiciously connected with the original (or current) 
shape of the meteorite.  I was going to suggest the
sounds could have been "electrophonic" in origin, but
since you clearly stated that you heard them "after"
the appearance of the meteor and not during the
display, that almost certainly eliminates that
possibility.  

>From what you have described, perhaps it was pretty
close, but still probably a good number of miles away.
To judge it to be an iron, on the basis of a lack of
fragmentation is not compelling enough evidence, I'm
afraid.  If I remember correctly, only one of every 
two stone meteorites are said to fragment. 

Please, describe the brightness of the meteor as that
may help readers get a better picture of the likely
size of what you saw.   
 
Long strewn fields!

Mark Fox
Newaygo, MI USA

--- John Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >   Here's  interesting  meteorite experience that
> happened when I lived
> > in Palm Springs CA some years ago  I went out in
> my backyard one night, it
> > was
> > the middle of the night , I noticed a shooting
> star at about 11 o'clock in
> > the
> > sky.  12 being straight up,  it was fast with a
> short tail all over in
> > about 2
> > seconds then maybe 3 seconds later the sound of
> like a propeller chopping
> > the
> > wind came over the top of my head (I am going to
> guess 150-200 ft)all in
> > about
> > a 10th of a second and it was literally humming
> like a motor The general
> > direction it was travailing  is 85% open desert
> for about 15 miles  That
> > was
> > about 1986 At the time I figured meteorites were
> fairly common occurrence
> > so I
> > never thought more about it
> > This fall I am going to look for that meteorite I
> know what direction it
> > was
> > traveling  and also the angle I am not sure how
> high it was all though I
> > heard
> > it, but out in the desert it very quite in the
> middle of the night .  I
> > looked
> > in the sky I think I remember some shadowy
> something anyway Here's what I
> > thought
> > since it didn't explode it is probably an iron
> however it has to be a
> > strange
> > shape to chop the wind the way it was So if it was
> a stone then it might
> > mean
> > that depending on the shape of a object entering
> the atmosphere the object
> >
> > would or would not pick up enough speed to burn
> up? Also how much further
> > do
> > think it may have gone?
> >   Thanks John
> >
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[meteorite-list] PORTALES

[robert szep]

Hello List... 
 
In my opinion, Rhett's explaination of how 
Portales was formed makes a great deal of sense. Especially where he discusses 
the Widmansatten structure found in the thick metallic veins associated with the 
metal-rich specimens from that mixed fall. 
 
The basic fact that meteorites with the 
general resemblance of ordinary chondrites, plummeted to earth along side 
of meteorites with an appearance similar to that of a silicated iron during a 
singular witnessed fall event is not only unusual, it is 
unprecidented. 
 
By the way, there is an excellent image of a 16 
pound ... that's POUND, not gram, 'SLICE' of PORTALES VALLEY METAL-RICH 
METEORITE featured in The Third Millennium Meteorite Calendar - 2003 edition. 

 
For those who would like to see a full-size 
image of the calendar page featuring the PORTALES specimen, just send me an 
email reqesting the image and I'll email you a copy. 
 
 
Robert A Szep.    

Re: [meteorite-list] portales

[Tracy Latimer]

On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, David Freeman wrote:

> Dear Rhett, Harlan, and List;
> My portales story is...the neatest piece that I saw was half buried in a 
> living chunk of asphalt!  

...as opposed to a DEAD chunk of asphalt?? :-)  Still, cool story.

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[meteorite-list] Portales Valley

[Bernd Pauli HD]

Rhett Bourland wrote:

> My 8 cents

Hello Rhett and List,

Those 8 cents are well spent :-)

> I also know there are large sections of iron in this chondrite that are
> unlike any other meteorite out there. These large sections of irons will
> display a Widmanstatten like most iron meteorites when etched. To be able
> to form the necessary bands in the pattern would require that this meteorite
> was formed deep within the asteroid so that there would be plenty of
> insulation (in the form of rock) to keep the heat in the inside of the
> asteroid so that the kamacite and taenite would have the needed time
> to grow large enough to show up when etched.

> Early in the H parent body's history a pretty good sized impact happens
> on the H parent body. Its powerful enough to disrupt the asteroid to its
> center but not necessarily powerful enough to break up the asteroid.
> When it does this, some of the free metal in this region pools together
> to form the large metal veins.


KRING D.A., HILL D.H., GLEASON J.D., BRITT D.T.  et al. (1999)
Portales Valley: A meteoritic sample of the brecciated and metal-veined
floor of an impact crater on an H-chondrite asteroid (MAPS 34-4, 1999,
663-669):

Summary of the authors' conclusions:

01) Portales Valley has unusually large veins of metal and pockets of
 metal produced by intersecting veins.

02) Provenance of these veins:

a) produced by an impact event on the original H-chondrite parent body,

or

b) a large asteroid produced from the fragmentation of that parent body.

03) Cooling rate about a few to perhaps tens of degrees per million
 years for the products of that shock metamorphism.

04) The meteorite was deep within the H-chondrite body at the time of
 the large impact event.

05) The crater diameter was >= 20 km in diameter (about 10% of the
 original H-chondrite parent body).

06) The impact event probably occurred about 4.4 or 4.5 Ga, soon after
 accretion from the solar nebula.


Best regards,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] RE: Nighttime fireball over Palm Springs

[Matson, Robert]

Hi John, Bernd, and list,

Given the amount of time that has passed since John's fireball
observation, if you were to go searching for it in the desert
now, you'd be more likely to find a ~different~ meteorite than
any that might have been produced by the meteor observed.
Without accurate range information, you have little hope of
recovering an observed fall unless you actually see the stones
hit the ground.  Even with triangulation from multiple observers,
the success rate for meteorite recovery is, historically,
practically zero.  Consider how many people observed the
Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and Colorado bolides within the
last year -- so far nothing has been found from any of them.
Granted, the terrain is hardly ideal in any of these cases,
but if you can't pin down the impact point to better than
5 kilometers, you might as well be searching at random.

My advice, John?  You live in a great location for meteorite
hunting.  With patience, perseverance and a little luck,
you can find one.  Just find an area with "old" surfaces,
few rocks, and minimal vegetation to give yourself an edge.
Contact me off-list if you'd like some suggestions on places
to look.

Best,
Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] GM Contest - we have a winner!

[Rosemary Hackney]

AW Mikie... you are gonna share... Right??

LOL..

Rosie 
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Subject: [meteorite-list] GM Contest - we have a winner!


> Actually guys, MIKE FARMER WAS CORRECT -
> 
> And in this following image, you'll notice that the
> very small individual GM on the bottom row (2nd in
> from the right) - still has retained a "blue fusion
> crust":
> 
> 
> 
> And the $10/g price is still good, for the whole lot,
> but for being the first person with the correct reply,
> Mike Farmer gets "1st chance" to buy the 22.8g lot.
> :-)
> 
> No joke,
> Bob V.
> 
> 
> [meteorite-list] Is this GM ? 
> 
> Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:32:48 -0700 
> 
> Indeed MANY Glorieta Mountain pieces look just like
> that. they also look like Taza. UNM has a piece like a
> sword! Several kilos and long. Some black crust, rust,
> flow lines etc.
> 
> Mike Farmer
> 
>   - Original Message -=20
>   From: MARK BOSTICK=20
>   To: Ing. Christian ANGER ; 
>   Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:11 PM
>   Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this GM ?
> 
> 
>   Hello Christian and List,=20
> 
>   I saw a few Glorieta babys around 12 grams in
> Tuscon.  They looked real shrapnel like and unlike the
> meteorite? in that photo...more like the baby Toluca's
> I have. Not that there couldnt be individual looking =
> ones like thatbut I have never seen it from any
> stony-iron. 
> 
>   I also agree...it looks like Taza.
> 
>   For whatever thats worth...
> 
>   Mark Bostick "The Big Collector"
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Ing. Christian ANGER
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:06 PM
> To: Meteorite-List@Meteoritecentral. Com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this GM ?
> 
> Hi list !
> 
> Please have a look at=20
>
> 
> 
> Is this Glorieta Mountain ? It looks like Taza for
> me.
> 
> I never saw a small individual of Glorieta
> Mountain, only slices.
> 
> So I am not sure about. Did anyone see small GM
> individuals ?
> Do they look like that ?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Christian
> 
> IMCA #2673
> www.austromet.com
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] portales

[David Freeman]

Dear Rhett, Harlan, and List;
My portales story is...the neatest piece that I saw was half buried in a 
living chunk of asphalt!  And I always wondered if it was sawn out first 
and permission granted second or was it guarded until saws and a plan 
were gathered.   This was a most amazing effort at specimen collecting 
in the least.

My second portales story, my work associate has a brother that lives 
there and they are all now meteorite hunters.
Long Live portales and we need a few more events just like that one!
Best,
Dave F.


Rhett Bourland wrote:

>Hi Harlan,
>First of all, good topic!!!  I hope a lot of people post on this one as I'd
>love to hear what everyone has to say on it.  I apologize if I get a bit
>wordy but I know a lot of people who may not know very much about meteorites
>come here to learn so I thought I'd talk a bit.  If I'm too far off base on
>any of this I apologize and please let do not hesitate to correct me.
>Before I even start about how I believe it formed, I'll start off with what
>I know about it.  It is an H6 chondrite which means that it formed deeper in
>the asteroid it came from than other H chondrites like H3's, H4's, and H5's.
>For a good explanation on the formation of asteroids check out "Meteorites
>and Their Parent Planets" by McSween.  Almost all asteroids start off as
>"onion shells" with the more metamorphosed grades buried deeper in the
>parent body than the lower grades.  This is due to the asteroid's ability to
>more easily radiate the heat from its outer layers than the more inside
>parts and thus heat is what equilibrated and altered the areas closer to the
>core more than the regions near the surface.  Some asteroids, after being
>formed as an onion shell, will undergo collisions which, depending on their
>severity, will have different effects on different parent bodies.  If the
>impact is severe enough then the asteroid will be shattered and pieces of it
>will go flying off in many directions and not reaccreate.  If the impact
>isn't as strong, however, the pieces of it will come back together under
>gravities powers and the various grades (3's, 4's...) will be mixed
>together.  The high number of H breccias (like Zag which is an H3-6 or
>Noblesville which is an H4-6) would seem to indicate that the H parent body
>is a rubble pile asteroid.  Subsequent heating in the core of the asteroid
>doesn't happen because the nuclear isotopes that caused that heating have
>most likely already ran their course by this time.  This would seem to be
>backed up by the reflectance spectra of asteroid 6 Hebe which, depending on
>what area is being imaged, has areas that match the respective grades of
>H's.
>I also know there are large sections of iron in this chondrite that are
>unlike any other meteorite out there.  These large sections of irons will
>display a Widmanstatten like most iron meteorites when etched.  To be able
>to form the necessary bands in the pattern would require that this meteorite
>was formed deep within the asteroid so that there would be plenty of
>insulation (in the form of rock) to keep the heat in the inside of the
>asteroid so that the kamacite and taenite would have the needed time to grow
>large enough to show up when etched.  Something that's interesting about the
>nickel-iron in Portales is that the metal in the veins of this meteorite is
>different from the metal flecks seen in all chondrites (especially the H's).
>Another unusual thing is that there is less free iron in the silicate areas
>of Portales than in normal H chondrites (about 4% in comparison to the
>normal 15%-19%) even though fayalite values remain pretty much the same as
>other H's (19.3% +/-0.4%).  Check out the Met. Bul. containing information
>on this meteorite at
>http://www.uark.edu/campus-resources/metsoc/metbull/mb83.htm
>S, to get to the point of this email, how do I think Portales was
>formed?  Early in the H parent body's history a pretty good sized impact
>happens on the H parent body.  Its powerful enough to disrupt the asteroid
>to its center but not necessarily powerful enough to break up the asteroid.
>When it does this, some of the free metal in this region pools together to
>form the large metal veins.  Keep in mind, this is early enough in its
>history that the nuclear isotopes that are heating this asteroid are still
>active.  Also, since Portales Valley is an H6 that would mean that is
>towards the core of the asteroid and has plenty insulation in the rocks
>above it to keep it warm enough to sustain the kamacite and taenite growth
>needed to form the Widmanstatten patterns that are seen in the large metal
>areas of Portales Valley.
>My 8 cents,
>Rhett Bourland
>www.asteroidmodels.com
>www.asteroidmodels.com/personal
>www.meteoritecollectors.org
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[meteorite-list] Nighttime fireball over Palm Springs

[Bernd Pauli HD]

John Reed wrote:

> Here's interesting  meteorite experience that happened when I lived
> in Palm Springs CA some years ago. I went out in my backyard one night,
> it was the middle of the night, I noticed a shooting star at about 11
> o'clock in the sky, 12 being straight up, it was fast with a short tail
> all over in about 2 seconds then maybe 3 seconds later the sound of like
> a propeller chopping the wind came over the top of my head (I am going
> to guess 150-200 ft)all in about a 10th of a second and it was literally
> humming like a motor The general direction it was travailing  is 85% open
> desert for about 15 miles. That was about 1986. At the time I figured
> meteorites were fairly common occurrence so I never thought more about it.
> This fall I am going to look for that meteorite I know what direction it
> was traveling and also the angle I am not sure how high it was although I
> heard it, but out in the desert it is very quite in the middle of the night
> ... Also how much further do you think it may have gone? Thanks John


Hello John and List,

If it had happened in 1976, then it might have been the San Juan
Capistrano H6 chondrite, which was recovered after falling through
the aluminium roof of a carport (two partly-crusted interlocking
fragments, total weight 56 g). It fell on March 15, sometime during
midnight and 4 AM. San Juan Capistrano is about 111 km (75 miles)
to the west of Palm Springs, CA, south of Los Angeles.

Cheers,

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[meteorite-list] GM Contest - we have a winner!

[Robert Verish]

Actually guys, MIKE FARMER WAS CORRECT -

And in this following image, you'll notice that the
very small individual GM on the bottom row (2nd in
from the right) - still has retained a "blue fusion
crust":



And the $10/g price is still good, for the whole lot,
but for being the first person with the correct reply,
Mike Farmer gets "1st chance" to buy the 22.8g lot.
:-)

No joke,
Bob V.


[meteorite-list] Is this GM ? 

Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:32:48 -0700 

Indeed MANY Glorieta Mountain pieces look just like
that. they also look like Taza. UNM has a piece like a
sword! Several kilos and long. Some black crust, rust,
flow lines etc.

Mike Farmer

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  From: MARK BOSTICK=20
  To: Ing. Christian ANGER ; 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this GM ?


  Hello Christian and List,=20

  I saw a few Glorieta babys around 12 grams in
Tuscon.  They looked real shrapnel like and unlike the
meteorite? in that photo...more like the baby Toluca's
I have. Not that there couldnt be individual looking =
ones like thatbut I have never seen it from any
stony-iron. 

  I also agree...it looks like Taza.

  For whatever thats worth...

  Mark Bostick "The Big Collector"

- Original Message -
From: Ing. Christian ANGER
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:06 PM
To: Meteorite-List@Meteoritecentral. Com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this GM ?

Hi list !

Please have a look at=20
   


Is this Glorieta Mountain ? It looks like Taza for
me.

I never saw a small individual of Glorieta
Mountain, only slices.

So I am not sure about. Did anyone see small GM
individuals ?
Do they look like that ?

Best wishes,

Christian

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Re: [meteorite-list] Is this GM ?

[Tracy Latimer]

I got a few small pieces of Glorieta from Steve when he first offered them
to the List.  They are small and unremarkably brown, unless you look at
them carefully and can distinguish a few small olivine crystals, rather
like shrapnel.  They are not very rounded, being rather angular.

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RE: [meteorite-list] portales

[Rhett Bourland]

Hi Harlan,
First of all, good topic!!!  I hope a lot of people post on this one as I'd
love to hear what everyone has to say on it.  I apologize if I get a bit
wordy but I know a lot of people who may not know very much about meteorites
come here to learn so I thought I'd talk a bit.  If I'm too far off base on
any of this I apologize and please let do not hesitate to correct me.
Before I even start about how I believe it formed, I'll start off with what
I know about it.  It is an H6 chondrite which means that it formed deeper in
the asteroid it came from than other H chondrites like H3's, H4's, and H5's.
For a good explanation on the formation of asteroids check out "Meteorites
and Their Parent Planets" by McSween.  Almost all asteroids start off as
"onion shells" with the more metamorphosed grades buried deeper in the
parent body than the lower grades.  This is due to the asteroid's ability to
more easily radiate the heat from its outer layers than the more inside
parts and thus heat is what equilibrated and altered the areas closer to the
core more than the regions near the surface.  Some asteroids, after being
formed as an onion shell, will undergo collisions which, depending on their
severity, will have different effects on different parent bodies.  If the
impact is severe enough then the asteroid will be shattered and pieces of it
will go flying off in many directions and not reaccreate.  If the impact
isn't as strong, however, the pieces of it will come back together under
gravities powers and the various grades (3's, 4's...) will be mixed
together.  The high number of H breccias (like Zag which is an H3-6 or
Noblesville which is an H4-6) would seem to indicate that the H parent body
is a rubble pile asteroid.  Subsequent heating in the core of the asteroid
doesn't happen because the nuclear isotopes that caused that heating have
most likely already ran their course by this time.  This would seem to be
backed up by the reflectance spectra of asteroid 6 Hebe which, depending on
what area is being imaged, has areas that match the respective grades of
H's.
I also know there are large sections of iron in this chondrite that are
unlike any other meteorite out there.  These large sections of irons will
display a Widmanstatten like most iron meteorites when etched.  To be able
to form the necessary bands in the pattern would require that this meteorite
was formed deep within the asteroid so that there would be plenty of
insulation (in the form of rock) to keep the heat in the inside of the
asteroid so that the kamacite and taenite would have the needed time to grow
large enough to show up when etched.  Something that's interesting about the
nickel-iron in Portales is that the metal in the veins of this meteorite is
different from the metal flecks seen in all chondrites (especially the H's).
Another unusual thing is that there is less free iron in the silicate areas
of Portales than in normal H chondrites (about 4% in comparison to the
normal 15%-19%) even though fayalite values remain pretty much the same as
other H's (19.3% +/-0.4%).  Check out the Met. Bul. containing information
on this meteorite at
http://www.uark.edu/campus-resources/metsoc/metbull/mb83.htm
S, to get to the point of this email, how do I think Portales was
formed?  Early in the H parent body's history a pretty good sized impact
happens on the H parent body.  Its powerful enough to disrupt the asteroid
to its center but not necessarily powerful enough to break up the asteroid.
When it does this, some of the free metal in this region pools together to
form the large metal veins.  Keep in mind, this is early enough in its
history that the nuclear isotopes that are heating this asteroid are still
active.  Also, since Portales Valley is an H6 that would mean that is
towards the core of the asteroid and has plenty insulation in the rocks
above it to keep it warm enough to sustain the kamacite and taenite growth
needed to form the Widmanstatten patterns that are seen in the large metal
areas of Portales Valley.
My 8 cents,
Rhett Bourland
www.asteroidmodels.com
www.asteroidmodels.com/personal
www.meteoritecollectors.org
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: 88 Ebay Auctions & Cottingham Collection INFO....

[Rosemary Hackney]

Hi all. I just received the meteorites I bought off 
Mark's list. They are gorgeous. I almost cried.. Thanks for the 
Metsakyla..
 
Rosie

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  Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: 88 Ebay 
  Auctions & Cottingham Collection INFO
  
   
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  To: Michael Cottingham 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 6:45 PM
  Subject: 88 Ebay Auctions & Cottingham Collection 
  INFO
  
  Hello Everyone,
   
   
  I have 88 AWESOME Ebay Auctions now 
  Listed!
   
  Go To:
   
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  Also, THANKS to Everyone who have helped me 
  to thin my collection a bit  Over 100 specimens have found new 
  homes!!!   
   
  PLEASE NOTE!   I will be closing my 
  collection to public
  thinning this weekso if you wanted something 
  please check in.  
   
   
  Thanks & Best Wishes
   
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Cottingham

Re: [meteorite-list] Sulfide-slag

[Rosemary Hackney]

Well.. I do not know.. It does not look the same... 
I bought some and named it my Blair Witch rock because it came from the bottom 
of the hill where she ( lives) lived.  Derek sent me a pieces to have 
analyzed. I have a friend who is a chemist and has access to an electron 
microscope. ( SEM). He is going to analyze it for me.  I bought it for a 
novelty.. not a meteorite.
 
Rosie

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  To: Robert Verish ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:18 
  PM
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  Sulfide-slag
  Does this sound like the same stuff?  UNKNOWN 
  METAL ROCK BURKITTSVILLE DUG NICKEL Best, Ken Newton me 
  Robert Verish wrote: 
  I apologize for this Off-Topic subject, but I would 
like to take this opportunity to personally thank Troy Bell, for his 
efforts in trying to determine the origin of a particular type of 
meteor-wrong that is commonly seen on eBay.  Troy found his first 
specimen in the gravel of a parking lot near where he lives in 
Texas.  When Troy told me that the gravel was a typical "slag", 
I told him to try and find more of this LBR (Little Black Rock) and to 
take some samples of the slag gravel.  He found 2 more "little 
black rocks", which he sent to me, along with samples of the slag 
gravel. 
My examination confirmed that the LBRs and the slag have a common 
origin.  In addition, these LBRs are made from the same material 
that I have encountered numerous times from people wanting their 
"meteorites" identified.  And I'm sure many on this List have 
encountered this, as well.  Lately, a third of the 
meteor-wrongs that I have encountered are of this "sulfide-rich" 
material.  Although there appears to be various sources for this 
material, I have always contended that this was waste material from an 
ore smelting process [slag].  But now, Troy's observant eye has 
found the "smoking gun" evidence that confirms that this material is a 
slag. 
This confirmation also raises the concern that some of these LBRs 
could have elevated concentrations of arsenic and lead. 
The following images show a cut surface of this material.  
Because of the above concern, BE ADVISED - to never DRY cut or grind 
this material, and to treat the cuttings and coolant with caution. 
Image #1:  

The interior "looks like" a natural sulfide mineral with a highly 
specular, metallic luster.  But it is not a metal.  Mostly 
crystalline with needle-shaped laths (an atypical crystal habit for 
sulfides).  The exterior has a patina.  Having been exposed to 
the forces of weathering, and over time, the sulfide-rich rock has 
formed a black tarnish. 
Image #2:  

Close-up of the cut surface. Locally vesicular; cavities will show 
cleavage for these synthetic (man-made) crystals. There are some 
inclusions of melted silicates. 
As mentioned earlier, this kind of meteor-wrong has long been seen on 
eBay, but typically being auctioned as "Arizona ?? Meteorite"!! I 
couldn't find any current "meteorite" auction like this, but this 
"mineral" auction looks like the same kind of material, but without the 
black tarnish: 
 

Now that it has been identified, my curiosity about this material has 
been satisfied, and I will now move on to the next "mystery rock" 
(hopefully, it will be a real meteorite;-).  But in the meanwhile, 
it may prove beneficial (since this stuff is so widespread) to have 
this "identified" material on a meteor-wrong web page in order to 
educate future meteor-wrong sellers. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] portales

[Rosemary Hackney]

I have no idea.. Harlan.. how??
 
Rosie

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Re: [meteorite-list] Daytime firebal just observed from SoCal

[John Reed]

"Matson, Robert" wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Bright white daytime fireball just observed from Seal Beach, CA at
> 7:15:30pm PDT, starting about 18 degrees above the north-northwest
> horizon and terminating about 10 degrees above the horizon.  Direction
> of travel was roughly toward 7 o'clock in horizon coordinates (6 o'clock
> being straight down toward the horizon).  No fragmentation was observed.
> Magnitude approximately -8, and angular velocity was pretty slow.  Exact
> azimuth can be reconstructed (once it gets dark enough for stellar
> references).  Did anyone else in the southern California area observe
> it?  --Rob
>
>   Here's  interesting  meteorite experience that happened when I lived
> in Palm Springs CA some years ago  I went out in my backyard one night, it
> was
> the middle of the night , I noticed a shooting star at about 11 o'clock in
> the
> sky.  12 being straight up,  it was fast with a short tail all over in
> about 2
> seconds then maybe 3 seconds later the sound of like a propeller chopping
> the
> wind came over the top of my head (I am going to guess 150-200 ft)all in
> about
> a 10th of a second and it was literally humming like a motor The general
> direction it was travailing  is 85% open desert for about 15 miles  That
> was
> about 1986 At the time I figured meteorites were fairly common occurrence
> so I
> never thought more about it
> This fall I am going to look for that meteorite I know what direction it
> was
> traveling  and also the angle I am not sure how high it was all though I
> heard
> it, but out in the desert it very quite in the middle of the night .  I
> looked
> in the sky I think I remember some shadowy something anyway Here's what I
> thought
> since it didn't explode it is probably an iron however it has to be a
> strange
> shape to chop the wind the way it was So if it was a stone then it might
> mean
> that depending on the shape of a object entering the atmosphere the object
>
> would or would not pick up enough speed to burn up? Also how much further
> do
> think it may have gone?
>   Thanks John
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[meteorite-list] NWA 1058 NEW ACHONDRITE ACAPULCOITE

[Matteo Chinellato]

Hello all

I am happy to give the notice of my new NWA 1058
Achondrite Acapulcoite, found in Morocco in the 2001
for a total mass of only 180 grams. If any of you is
interested I have the list ready of the pieces
available for sale - no trade for the moment - and 2
little slices is on Ebay now with a special price -
the buy it now is the price I sale normaly this
meteorite to all, special price for dealers - you see
here:
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If you want the list in word format email me.
regards

Matteo


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Re: [meteorite-list] Sulfide-slag

[magellon]

Does this sound like the same stuff?
 UNKNOWN
METAL ROCK BURKITTSVILLE DUG NICKEL
Best,
Ken Newton
me
Robert Verish wrote:
I apologize for this Off-Topic subject, but I would
like to take this opportunity to personally thank Troy
Bell, for his efforts in trying to determine the
origin of a particular type of meteor-wrong that is
commonly seen on eBay.  Troy found his first specimen
in the gravel of a parking lot near where he lives in
Texas.  When Troy told me that the gravel was a
typical "slag", I told him to try and find more of
this LBR (Little Black Rock) and to take some samples
of the slag gravel.  He found 2 more "little black
rocks", which he sent to me, along with samples of the
slag gravel.
My examination confirmed that the LBRs and the slag
have a common origin.  In addition, these LBRs are
made from the same material that I have encountered
numerous times from people wanting their "meteorites"
identified.  And I'm sure many on this List have
encountered this, as well.  Lately, a third of the
meteor-wrongs that I have encountered are of this
"sulfide-rich" material.  Although there appears to be
various sources for this material, I have always
contended that this was waste material from an ore
smelting process [slag].  But now, Troy's observant
eye has found the "smoking gun" evidence that confirms
that this material is a slag.
This confirmation also raises the concern that some of
these LBRs could have elevated concentrations of
arsenic and lead.
The following images show a cut surface of this
material.  Because of the above concern, BE ADVISED -
to never DRY cut or grind this material, and to treat
the cuttings and coolant with caution.
Image #1:

The interior "looks like" a natural sulfide mineral
with a highly specular, metallic luster.  But it is
not a metal.  Mostly crystalline with needle-shaped
laths (an atypical crystal habit for sulfides).  The
exterior has a patina.  Having been exposed to the
forces of weathering, and over time, the sulfide-rich
rock has formed a black tarnish.
Image #2:

Close-up of the cut surface. Locally vesicular;
cavities will show cleavage for these synthetic
(man-made) crystals. There are some inclusions of
melted silicates.
As mentioned earlier, this kind of meteor-wrong has
long been seen on eBay, but typically being auctioned
as "Arizona ?? Meteorite"!!
I couldn't find any current "meteorite" auction like
this, but this "mineral" auction looks like the same
kind of material, but without the black tarnish:

Now that it has been identified, my curiosity about
this material has been satisfied, and I will now move
on to the next "mystery rock" (hopefully, it will be a
real meteorite;-).  But in the meanwhile, it may prove
beneficial (since this stuff is so widespread) to have
this "identified" material on a meteor-wrong web page
in order to educate future meteor-wrong sellers.
Bob V.
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[meteorite-list] Ebay stuff, many items one penny!

[Michael Farmer]

Yep, it is that day again, over 60 items ending 
today, many at one cent, even a  580 gram Zag is only at $180! 

See them here, get some great deals. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Help with a Strange Rock

[rochette]

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it also exhibits a very weak magnetic field.  I have never heard of this associated with a meteorite.  Any ideas of what it might be?

Thanks,
Ron

What do you mean? That the rock deviates a compass? Once you have "treated" it with a magnet most meteorites as well as various terrestrial rocks, slags, etc. do deviate a compass because they have acquired a large remanence by exposure to the magnet stray field. Please describe more precisely your "magnetic experiment" and a more precise answer can be formulated!

Cheers


Pierre

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[meteorite-list] portales

[harlan trammell]

how do YOU think portales got formed?Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com.

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[meteorite-list] New Wave Supercomputers Catch Big Waves

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.lanl.gov/worldview/news/releases/archive/02-064.shtml

New wave supercomputers catch big waves
Los Alamos National Laborabory
June 5, 2002

Contact: Jim Danneskiold, [EMAIL PROTECTED], (505) 667-1640 (02-064)

LOS ALAMOS, N.M. -- The new wave in computing - super-fast
machines churning out three-dimensional models viewable in high-tech,
immersive theaters - may teach us more about the big waves that sometimes
threaten people who live near the seashore.

Although earthquakes cause most of these giant waves, called tsunamis,
researchers at the National Nuclear Security Administration's Los Alamos
National Laboratory recently completed the largest and most accurate
simulation of tsunamis caused by asteroids. They presented the first data
from that model today to the American Astronomical Society meeting in
Albuquerque,

The scientists aren't working on a sequel to the Hollywood blockbusters Deep
Impact or Armageddon. They reason that since a large percentage of the
world's population lives on islands, bays or coastlines, a better model
could help predict how tsunamis behave, aiding emergency responders.

Most tsunamis often result when earthquakes send huge landslides tumbling
into bays or oceans. Recent studies of a 30-foot-high tsunami that killed
more than 2,100 people on Papua New Guinea in July 1998 showed the cause was
an underwater landslide more than 2,000 miles away. A landslide in Lituya
Bay, Alaska, in July 1958 inundated the shore of Gilbert Inlet nearly a
third of a mile above the high tide line, and its monster wave is the
largest ever documented.

Computer scientists Galen Gisler and Bob Weaver from the Los Alamos'
Thermonuclear Applications Group, and Michael Gittings of Science
Applications International Corp., created simulations of six different
asteroid scenarios, varying the size and composition of a space visitor
hitting a three-mile-deep patch of ocean at a speed of 45,000 miles an hour.
The Big Kahuna in their model was an iron asteroid one kilometer in
diameter; they also looked at half-sized, or 500-meter, and quarter-sized
variants, and at asteroids made of stone, roughly 40 percent less dense than
iron.

"We found that the one-kilometer iron asteroid struck with an impact equal
to about 1.5 trillion tons of TNT, and produced a jet of water more than 12
miles high," Gisler said.

The team's effort builds on the pioneering research of Los Alamos' Chuck
Mader and Dave Crawford of Sandia National Laboratories. More accurate
models of tsunami behavior are now possible, thanks to recent improvements
in high-performance computers and the codes that run on them funded by the
NNSA's Advanced Simulation and Computing program.

"Although this is important science and has potential value in predicting
and planning emergency response, it's an great way to test and improve the
code," Gisler said. "We can do the problem better now by simulating an
entire tsunami event from beginning to end and bringing more computing power
to bear on some of the key variables."

The code, called SAGE for SAIC's Adaptive Grid Eulerian, was developed by
Los Alamos and SAIC. A majority of large simulations come in one of two
flavors: Lagrange, in which a grid or mesh of mathematical points matches
with and follows molecules or other physical variables through space; or
Eulerian, in which the mesh is fixed in space, thereby permitting
researchers to follow fluids as they move from point to point.

SAGE's power lies in its flexibility. Scientists can continuously refine the
mesh and increase the level of detail the code provides about specific
physical elements in the mesh. The new Los Alamos simulation uses realistic
equations to represent the atmosphere, seawater and ocean crust.

To follow a tsunami from the point of splashdown to a city like Honolulu or
Long Beach, Gisler and his colleagues needed to model in great detail the
interactions between air and water and between water and the surface of an
asteroid. Then they followed how the shock waves moved through the ocean and
the seabed below and how water waves propagated through the water.

"We looked in some detail at a couple of the key variables, especially the
heights of tsunamis as a function of their distance from the point of
impact; we modeled the heights of individual waves and studied how densely
spaced they would be at various distances," Gisler explained.

When the enormous simulation was done - more than a million hours of
individual processor time, or three weeks on Los Alamos' Blue Mountain
supercomputer and the ASCI White machine at Lawrence Livermore National
Laboratory - the team found they had some good news and some bad news for
coastal dwellers.

"The waves are nearly double the height predicted in the earlier simulation,
that's the bad news, but they take about 25 percent longer to get to you,
which could help more people get to higher ground if they had some warning,"
Gisler said.

The model predicts that wave velocities for th

Re: [meteorite-list] Is this GM ?

[FRANK B CRESSY]

Hello all,
 
Steve Schoner should be the one to comment on this item, but he must be out 
in the field or something. For what it's worth Glorieta Mountain comes in a 
variety of "flavors" (ie shapes, sizes, textures, weathering, etc.). I've 
included a link to Steve's Meteorite Picture Gallery for Glorieta Mountain which 
shows a variety of individuals.
 
http://www.geocities.com/meteorite_identification/GLORIETA.htm
 
As to what the piece is in the ebay auction, I'm not convinced we can rule 
out a GM. Also for what it's worth, the 190 gram individual (second from top) 
resides in my collection :-) The piece appears to have been torn off a larger 
body as the backside looks like a piece of shrapnal; very different from the 
smoothly contoured front side shown in the picture. The front is very fresh with 
part of it being almost a steel-blue color. Not a typical GM piece by any means. 
Hope this has been of some help.
 
Regards,
Frank

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  meteorite1.com 
  To: Ing. 
  Christian ANGER ; Meteorite-List@Meteoritecentral. 
  Com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:28 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this GM 
  ?
  
  In my opinion, the contours are too pristine to be a 
  Glorietta.  Glorietta has been buried a very long time, and this piece 
  certainly doesn't look that way.  Taza is very characteristic in its 
  external appearance...the soft ridges and curves...not what one sees on a 
  Glorietta.  One could always be wrong but a quick etch of a small 
  corner would tell the tale, but this seller needs to be aware of a potential 
  mix-up here.  (I have small Glorietta individuals and it looks very 
  different from a small Taza.)
   
  Ron Hartman
   
  
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From: 
Ing. 
Christian ANGER 
To: Meteorite-List@Meteoritecentral. 
Com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:58 
PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this GM 
?

Hi list 
!
 
Please have a look at 

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2110132125
 
Is this Glorieta 
Mountain ? It looks like Taza for me.
 
I never saw a small 
individual of Glorieta Mountain, only slices.
 
So I am not sure about. 
Did anyone see small GM individuals ?
Do they look like that 
?
 
Best 
wishes,
 
Christian
 
IMCA #2673
www.austromet.com
 
Ing. Christian 
ANGER
Korngasse 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Help with a Strange Rock

[Mark Fox]

May 5, 2002

Greetings Ron and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts!

I do not know of any meteorite that attracts other
metallic objects naturally, but I do think it is
possible to artificially produce this effect and thus
change one into a magnet.

Nevertheless, when I was studying my first suspected
meteorite (which was said to be some form of
sphalerite) it also bore a weak magnetic attraction 
for iron objects.  Perhaps your suspicious rock is
something similar or in fact may be a chunk of
magnetite (also known as lode stone) which is rather
commonly found with this property.

Hematite, by the way, is not usually magnetic to begin
with.

Long strewn fields!

Mark Fox
Newaygo, MI USA  
   

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> Hello I would like some information please, I found
> a strange heavy rock this 
> weekend at a yard sale.  I bought it because it was
> rather nice and I thought 
> it might be  raw hematite. However later I thought
> it might be a meteorite 
> but although it does attract a magnet and passes
> every test (except chemical 
> analysis) I could find on the web, it also exhibits
> a very weak magnetic 
> field.  I have never heard of this associated with a
> meteorite.  Any ideas of 
> what it might be?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ron
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[meteorite-list] Help with a Strange Rock

[MrX3010]

Hello I would like some information please, I found a strange heavy rock this weekend at a yard sale.  I bought it because it was rather nice and I thought it might be  raw hematite. However later I thought it might be a meteorite but although it does attract a magnet and passes every test (except chemical analysis) I could find on the web, it also exhibits a very weak magnetic field.  I have never heard of this associated with a meteorite.  Any ideas of what it might be?

Thanks,
Ron

Re: [meteorite-list] Odessa Crater Contest

[Meteorite1.net]

Hello fellow meteorite lovers,
 
    I am contemplating something, I have in 
my posession the original Military metal detector used by Ron Hartman & 
Richard Norton to hunt meteorites. If there is enough interest we could do 
a highest offer takes it or I could do an e-bay auction. Let me know your 
thoughts.
 
http://home.talkcity.com/Route66/meteorite1/detector/detector.html
 
Sincerely,Jim
 
James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member 
contact)
 
Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org
 
 
 
 

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  BOSTICK 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; John Gwilliam ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:32 
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  Crater Contest
  
  Hello All, 
   
  While I did know the answers since Rhett gave them to all I will add that 
  Richard Norton and Ron Hartman were the first to use modern metal detectors to 
  search the crater.  
   
  The adventure and an at the time photo can be found in Rocks from Space 
  (as I'm sure many of you know).  Hartman also I believe still has pieces 
  from the 7lb he is holding is a photo in RFS for sale.  Give Hartman 
  credit here for not asking any premium price for the slices and endcuts.  
  
   
  Mark
  
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Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:43 
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Crater Contest
 1.  James Williams.2.  Richard Norton and Ron 
Hartman (who met his wife after hunting there oneday if I remember 
correctly).3.  Monahans.Rhett 
Bourlandwww.asteroidmodels.comwww.asteroidmodels.com/personalwww.meteoritecollectors.org-Original 
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Behalf Of JohnGwilliamSent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:29 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] Odessa 
Crater ContestAfter reading the article posted by Ron Baalke 
about the proposed salvagingof the Odessa Crater site, I decided to have 
a simple contest.I have 5 extra brochures from the Odessa Crater that I 
will give to thefirst five people who correctly answer the following 
questions.*1. 
Who is considered the "King of Odessa meteorite hunters?2. Two list 
members successfully hunted for meteorites at Odessa over 35years ago. 
Name them.3. The Odessa Crater is located just south of Highway 80 
between the cityof Odessa and what other famous meteorite 
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