[meteorite-list] TEKTITES VS. TEARS
Original Message - [meteorite-list] TEKTITES VS. TEARS Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:52:44 -0500 mafer wrote: Hi Sterling and list I still think the microwave test is valid and proves the same thing. Heat both in a microwave, and see the obsidian get too hot to handle (from water content). Mark -- Hi! Great idea! Tomorrow I'm going to microwave an australite, an indochinite, a moldavite, a bediasite, an apache tear, and a big chunk of wyoming obsidian and see what happens. Sterling -- Hi Sterling and Mark, Make sure that you use an asbestos pad under your specimens, because the obsidian will heat to boiling in less than a minute, and take care in handling the tektites, because some of them will still get very hot to the touch. I've attached some correspondence that recounts some of our earlier efforts at comparison testing. Take Care Bob V. --- Attached Message --- Twink Monrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday Jim did the torch test on the specimens you sent, Bob. He also torched some more AZites, with our usual results - glowed red, then returned to original state. Also torched a very smooth-surfaced, alleged Apache tear purchased here, and it glowed red and returned to normal state. All following were sent to JK by RV: Indochinite: glowed red, returned to original state. Mouth of Adams Canyon, Antelope Valley: glowed red, cooled with white foam appearance on outside. Davis Creek obsidian: Used a cut-off end piece: crumbled apart as it turned a light red color. Rachael, Nevada obsidian: Glowed bright orange, returned to normal state except for a tiny area with white foam. No. CA. cloudy banded obsidian: glowed bright orange, did not break, returned to original state. No. CA (probably) : Used a cut-off end piece: turned bright orange and broke into many pieces. Bob, do you wish to have any of these returned to you for further study? Thanks for your interest, Twink Monrad Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:58:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Monrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JK torch test 8/19/00 Hi Twink, Thanks for the detailed list of results, and thank Jim for me for running the tests. I think the results are very interesting. Please let me know what kind of conclusions you and Jim are drawing from all of your tests. I think the results could be important, considering the high bid prices on similar specimens like the item in the following recent eBay auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=403945268 A lot of money for a 3.8 gram stone that could very easily be just an Apache Tear! :-) bob v. Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:05:13 -0700 To: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Monrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JK torch test 8/19/00 Since one of your specimens, the large obsidian chip, also did not change, it looks like the results are inconclusive, unless there is something special about marenkenite (low percentage of hydration), also... Just had a note from Darryl Futrell who said that red hot is not hot enough, that we need white hot, so when Jim has the inclination may try it again. Will keep you posted, Twink End of Attached Message __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Rubble pile asteroids
Original Message [meteorite-list] Re: Rubble pile asteroids Herbert Raab [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the other hand, the real border between a L5 and a L4 or L6 might be more blurry than the descriptions in the textbooks suggest. There is an interesting paper on the Dar al Gani region in the August 2002 issue of MAPS. The authors conclude that pairing based on class, shock level and weathering grade is problematic, because individual specimens from ordinary chondrite strewfields were assigned to different classes. Either this is another strong indication for frequent rubble pile meteoroids, or maybe we just see the fuzzy borders between petrographic types of meteorites. Who knows? I certainly don't... ;^) Best greetings, Herbert -- End of Original Message -- Herbert makes reference to the Dar al Gani meteorite field article in the August 2002 issue of MAPS. Not only is the paper interesting as he describes it, but I think this will be a very important paper; one that we will be referring to many times in the future. So, it is for that reason that I want to make clear what the authors of that paper concluded: that shock and weathering grades were problematic for pairing purposes but they had no problem with petrologic class (or metamorphic grade). In fact, they used a noble gas isotope study to prove that all the L6 specimens were indeed, paired to the same fall! Truth is, most researchers already allow for a range of shock stages and weathering grades when pairing meteorites. But nearly all of them insist that [unbrecciated] chondritic stones can only be of one class. Meaning, that if two stones are of two different metamorphic grades (one is L6 and the other is L4), then they can't be paired. But there is a corollary - if two different stones (L6 L4) ARE the SAME meteorite, then the parent meteoroid MUST have been a breccia! Ergo, a Gold Basin (L6) and a Gold Basin (L4) are paired even though there is no visual evidence showing it to be brecciated. In the current scheme of classifications, there is no way to describe such a meteorite without invoking brecciation. (But then the current classification scheme doesn't take into consideration the possibility of a rubble pile meteoroid;-) So, it was because of this problem that I attempted to put forth an explanation of how Gold Basin can have various metamorphic grades (L6 thru L4) in one of my MeteoriteTimes.com articles. Gradational metamorphic grade was the term I coined to explain how the meteoroid that produced the Gold Basin meteorites could have this range of classes. But I've changed my mind about this and would now like to retract that proposed explanation. I've concluded that no one meteoroid could be large enough to have a formed in place range of metamorphic grades, such as L6 out to L4. This form of metamorphism is more akin to terrestrial regional metamorphism, which is gradational over a much greater areal extent than can be accounted for across the diameter of just one meteoroid. So, with no visual evidence of brecciation, I'm back to having no explanation for the Gold Basin problem. But the point that I wanted to make was that the MAPS article is an example, by its own test methods, that the only way, now, to really PROVE pairing is through radio-isotopic testing (noble gases, carbon14, and other terrestrial age dating methods). Bob V. __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Rubble pile asteroids
Robert Verish writes: that shock and weathering grades were problematic for pairing purposes but they had no problem with petrologic class (or metamorphic grade). In fact, they used a noble gas isotope study to prove that all the L6 specimens were indeed, paired to the same fall! Of course, you are absolutely right. I think am getting old: I can't remember the contents of a paper that I have read only a few weeks ago... :-( I just don't know if there were L4 or L5 specimens found inside the proposed L6 strewfield that were excluded form the pairing *just because* they were of a different metamorphic grade...? I still think that there might be fuzzy borders between metamorphic grades, or that a small thin section is not representative for the whole specimen. Bob's thought that the different petrologic classes in the Gold Basin shower would indicate a rubble pile meteorid as the parent body is excellent. I just want to caution that there might be uncertainties in the assignement of metamorphic grades, but I am no scientist, so I don't really know. Just my three (Euro) Cents worth of thoughts... Greetings, Herbert __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ebay auctions ending tonight
Just follow the link and scroll to the bottom: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/catchafallingstar.com/ Jim Strope421 Fourth StreetGlen Dale, WV 26038 Catch a Falling Star Meteoriteshttp://www.catchafallingstar.com
[meteorite-list] Wabar Pearls or Beads
Anne wrote: I got a few more at the Denver Show, mostly odd-shaped ones, often meaning that they are chipped or broken. I have been looking at the broken ones and was rather surprised. I was expecting them to be glassy all the way through like Libyan Glass or Moldavite, but that is not the case at all. I found that they are composed of a glassy outer shell packed with tiny black grains of sand (I suppose) tightly packed and glued together. It looks as if the vitrification process was incomplete, only the outer layer turned to glass. Any comments? No, not (yet). Are there any pictures you could put up on your website. I would very much like to see those tiny black grains of sand that are so tightly packed and glued together as you state. They m a y (speculation only so far!) represent highly * d e- * vitrified impactite melt beads. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Rubble pile asteroids
--- Herbert Raab lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; gt; I still think that there might be fuzzy borders gt; between gt; metamorphic grades, or that a small thin section is gt; not representative for the whole specimen. gt; Once again, Herbert has hit the nail square on the head. It is a lot to ask of a single thin section to speak for an entire meteoroid, let alone parent body. But with a strewn field you have the opportunity to sample multiple specimens, and with each additional thinsection you add to your confidence level for class (and metamorphic grade). I have never seen a table of Gold Basin specimens that have been classified, so I can only speak for the 22 stones that I have had analyzed, and the consensus among researchers is that there was, indeed, an L6 meteorite fall in the Gold Basin Area. How to reconcile that fall and the Gold Basin (L4) fall, hasn't been decided, yet. Herbert continues: gt; I just want to caution that there might be gt; UNCERTAINTIES in the assignement of metamorphic gt; grades, but I am no scientist, so I don't really gt; know. gt; Just my three (Euro) Cents worth of thoughts... Well, in defense of all the petrologists that determine the classifications of our meteorites, you can rest assured that they have no uncertainty when they assign a metamorphic grade. When researchers examine the petrologic fabric of a stony in thin section, and those petrologists find orthopyroxenes, or they find feldspars, there is no uncertainty in that observation, and hence there is no uncertainty in which metamorphic grade they must assign. Of course, if the sample is extremely small, or the classifier #34;spends too little time examining a thin section, this could pose problems, but I wouldn't call it #34;uncertainty#34;. (#34;Uncertainty in assignment#34; is probably just an unfortunate choice of words. I prefer to use the term #34;differing institution-criteria#34;, but I'd rather not #34;go there#34; at this time;-) Bob V. __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ebay auctions. 24 hours countdown.
Hi You still have 24 hours to bid in our auctions. Great specimens of Brenham, Springwater, Chassigny, Chinga, Millbillillie, Arroyo Aguiar, Bilanga, and many, many more. Hurry up, don't spend any more time reading this. Go and bid! Just follow this link: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewSellersOtherItemsuserid=meteorites.com or search for user meteorites.com on www.ebay.com meteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Help A Brother Out - Endgame
Here's the last of it, I think. These are the images, links, and descriptions for the pieces for sale on Saturday and Sunday. No offers accepted today but feel free to email me with any questions. The post will go out at noon Pacific both days and then it's the usual free-for-all. Time zone table, use Los Angeles for myself http://www.convertit.com/Go/ConvertIt/World_Time/Clock.ASP These days you may send an email for Meteorite A -OR- Meteorite B, so include runner up choices if you can only afford one. I will accomodate the first one you list as the first priority, and so on. You may, of course, buy as many as you like. All images are Hi Res, click the thumbnail to get the photo, click the photo for Hi Res Both days I will be unable to reply until ~8:00pm Pacific Time so you're gonna have to hold your breath. SATURDAY - THE RARE Bandung LL6 Fell Dec 10, 1871 Java, Indonesia This is a 25.3 gram fragment priced at $280 Braunau IIA Hexahedrite Fell 1847 Trutnov, Czechloslovakia This is a polish partslice with one natural edge showing Neuman Lines priced at $210 Mauerkirchen L6 Fell Nov 20, 1768 Oberosterreich, Austria This is a 1.7 gram fragmentpriced at $285 Marjalahti Pallasite Fell June 1 1902 Karelia, Russia This is a 18.9 gram thin slice with abundant translucent olivine and one natural edge priced at $665 Vavilovka LL6 Fell June 19, 1876 Khersons'ka, Ukraine This is a 9.6 gram polished thin complete slice with fusion crust all the way around priced at $295 Khmelevka L5 Fell March 1, 1929 Omskaya, Russia This is a 11.7 gram polished thin complete slice with fusion crust all the way around priced at $225 Elenovka L5 Fell Oct. 9, 1951 Donets'ka, Ukraine This piece is a thin polished partslice with crust along the rounded edge priced at $252 - SUNDAY - THE PREVIOUSLY OWNED Oubari LL6 Fezzan, Libya 30.30 gram fragment with one spot of crust. Very solid specimen with great texture from exposed chondrules Museum National D'Histoire Naturell (listed on acrd as an LL4) No numbers present on specimen $350 Maralinga CK5 South Australia 2.2 gram partslice with one edge of crust. Non-crusted edge bearing #MR002, collection unknown $175 Norton County AUB Fell Feb 18, 1948 Norton County Kansas 11.67 gram fragment bearing collection #N.299 Institute of Meteoritics, UNM specimen card Michael Farmer Specimen Card $420 Stannern AEUC Fell May 22, 1808 This is a 8.3 gram fresh fragment with glossy fusion crust bearing #2. Fragmented along numbers From Paris Museum Cosmic Matter Specimen card $560 Agen H5 Fell Sept. 5, 1814 0.85 gram fragment with some crust Old TCU label #489 No numbers on specimen $70 Tucson UNGR Pima County, Arizona This is a polished bar weighing 2.229 grams. Macovich Collection specimen card This is perfect size for the Riker frame that is in the Riker Frames folder $450 Ausson L5 Fell Dec 9, 1858 Haute Garonne, France This is a 0.61 gram fragment Old TCU label #484 No numbers on specimen $35 Bjburbole L/LL4 Fell March 12, 1899 Nyland, Finland This is a massive 116.3 gram fagment Macovich Collection specimen card $385 Coolidge C3.8 Hamilton Co. Kansas This is a squared, polished partslice with one crusted edge weighing 10.15 grams BMNH off BM 1959,845 118.73g specimen card BMNH off BM 1959,845 10.15 grams specimen card No numbers on specimen $1000 Tenham L6 Fell Spring 1879 Queensland, Australia This a an oriented 49.5 gram fragment with full crust (primary and secondary) and slight rollover lipping Defaced painted numbers ?AML? #43... JM Dupont Collection specimen card $400 MONDAY - THE LEFTOVERS One final shot at the pieces that have not sold on eBay or here. Any pieces left will go to eBay or back into the owners collection. I will post at noon. Links: Photo pages: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/robandcolleen11197/rlst?.dir=/.src=ph.done=http and the eBay sales page http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/nakhladog/ -- Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] List policy
Hi Rafael all, Not a bad idea - that's why Art set it up already, as stated in the list policies - pertinent policies are cited below: 3.Do not post -private messages- or -personal attacks- to the list 4.Please include the 'subject' of the post in the subject box 9.If you are posting a URL for a sale, include 'SALE' in the subject box What I have to say next is not aimed at you, Rafael, but at the dozens of individuals who just seem never to get it. I have read with interest and not a little humor, comments by some list members to the effect of, Let's add this (or that) to the policy, etc. This shows such a lack of comprehension of the basic functioning of the list as to stagger me. EVERYONE: it is very simple. Go to Meteorite Central. READ what is written about this list. That's it. That's all there is. Not you, not I, not self appointed leaders, nor the most highly opinionated list contributors have any say whatsoever in running of this list. It is a list by Meteorite Central. Art was so kind and generous as to provide it to the meteorite community. Furthermore, he set it up VERY, VERY well to function smoothly without further modification. It is NOT a democracy - it is a NEWSLETTER! It is privately sponsored, unmoderated and Art, and ONLY ART can or will ever have anything to say about list rules, guidelines, etc. On very rare occasion he has suspended individuals who CHRONICALLY and dramatically violate list policy - particularly about attacking other list members and especially when profanity is used. (Yes, I know there is no STATED policy on obscenity, but that is because it is OBVIOUSLY unacceptable) On only a couple of occasions have people been permanently banned from the list, and they were extreme examples of chronic violators of both attacking and using obscenity. In other words, he will only intervene in extreme cases. (In this instance, all that is required is to include the word, SALE in any post promoting a sale of material). IF YOU READ THE LIST POLICIES and other procedural information clearly articulated at Meteorite Central, you should be able to get this. I have found meteorite collectors to be exceptionally intelligent people, with the exception being how some relate to this list. Then, somehow, they completely loose all rationale. Not a few have used this list as some sort of opportunity to vent - choosing some offender and then beating the hell out of him. I could be wrong, but I believe all email programs now offer a filter of some sort to block email from individual email addresses. This is one option that would easily solve any problem these people have with another list member's posts. Then, there is always the delete button if your system does not offer the option of a filter. So, what is WRONG with these peopleit is simple: Email, coupled with a public forum, such as a newsletter, gives these people an opportunity to ATTACK! - vent their spleen - engage in some sort of email-road rage. When this occurs, it is usually as (or even more) offensive than the original problem. Now, personally, I must confess that I occasionally find such behavior amusingor even a little satisfying ala vicarious pleasure at seeing some jerk getting bonked for doing/saying something I thought was obnoxious. What I do find less entertaining is when people start ganging up and I feel I am watching a stoning of the whore scene from the bible. However, what really, really bothers me is when people start fantasizing that they can set rules for this list. That is the exclusive prerogative of Art Jones - and he has demonstrated for years a calm wisdom in honoring freedom of speech - which, of course, gives everyone a chance to hang themselves. As you likely have noticed, many make use of this opportunity. So, if you want to abuse list policy, hop to it, but be prepared to be flamed. If you are a flamer, you'd best keep it clean. If you are a person to engage in any of these behaviors, be prepared to hear from Art, should he decide you have used enough rope to hang yourself and are in need of a few months time out. But, under no circumstances, assume that you or anyone else can elect, dictate or otherwise change or add to list policy. That just ain't gunna happen. Sincerely, Michael Blood on 9/25/02 6:47 PM, Rafael B. Torres at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all good and good night. I was looking at some e-mails and there are some people that don't like Ad mails about Steve. I think we can have a solution here with a simple header in the mail. We should do this on every mail we send in order to discriminate mails that we don't want to read, classifing them. Here is how I think: a)If somebody wants to send and Ad, or homepage update, we can put a header like: [meteorite-list] Ad, Trade, etc: Topic so people that don't like ads,
Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION ALL
Hi Rafael all, Not a bad idea - that's why Art set it up already! (as stated in the list policies) - the more pertinent policies are cited below: 3.Do not post -private messages- or -personal attacks- to the list 4.Please include the 'subject' of the post in the subject box 9.If you are posting a URL for a sale, include 'SALE' in the subject box What I have to say next is not aimed at you, Rafael, but at the dozens of individuals who just seem never to get it. I have read with interest and not a little humor, comments by some list members to the effect of, Let's add this (or that) to the policy, etc. This shows such a lack of comprehension of the basic functioning of the list as to stagger me. EVERYONE: it is very simple. Go to Meteorite Central. READ what is written about this list. That's it. That's all there is. Not you, not I, not self appointed leaders, nor the most highly opinionated list contributors have any say whatsoever in running of this list. It is a list by Meteorite Central. Art was so kind and generous as to provide it to the meteorite community. Furthermore, he set it up VERY, VERY well to function smoothly. It is NOT a democracy - it is a NEWSLETTER! It is privately sponsored, and unmoderated and Art, and ONLY ART can or will ever have anything to say about list rules, guidelines, etc. On very rare occasion he has suspended individuals who CHRONICALLY and dramatically violate list policy - particularly about attacking other list members and especially when profanity is used. (Yes, I know there is nothing in the policy about profanity. Art has assumed this is so obvious as to not require mentioning). On only a couple of occasions have people been permanently banned from the list, and they were extreme examples of violators of both attack and obscenity. In other words, he will only intervene in extreme cases. In this instance, the list policy requires the person posting to include the word, SALE in any post promoting a sale of material. IF YOU READ THE LIST POLICIES and other procedural information clearly articulated at Meteorite Central, you should be able to get this. I have found meteorite collectors to be exceptionally intelligent people...with the exception being how some relate to this list. Then, somehow, they completely loose all rationale. Not a few have used this list as some sort of opportunity to vent - choosing some offender and then beating the hell out of him. I could be wrong, but I believe all email programs now offer a filter of some sort to block email from individual email addresses. This is one option that would easily solve any problem these people have with another list member's posts. Then, there is always the delete button. (What a concept). As often as not, the ranting about another member's behavior is MORE irritating than the original postings!) So, what is WRONG with these peopleit is simple: Email, coupled with a public forum, such as a newsletter, gives these people an opportunity to ATTACK! - vent their spleen - engage in a sort of email-road rage. Now, personally, I must confess that I occasionally find such behavior amusingor even a little satisfying via vicarious pleasure at seeing some jerk getting bonked for doing/saying something I thought was obnoxious. What I do find less entertaining is when people start ganging up and I feel I am watching a stoning of the whore scene from the bible. However, what really, really bothers me is when people start hallucinating that they can set rules for this list. That is the exclusive prerogative of Art Jones - and he has demonstrated for years a calm wisdom in honoring freedom of speech - which, of course, gives everyone a chance to hang themselves. Of which, as you all might notice, many people take advantage. In closing: if you want to abuse list policies, and even engage in flaming other members, be prepared to be flamed and, if doing the flaming, do keep it clean - but don't, under any circumstances fantasize you, or a majority of outspoken members can decide what the policies of this list will be. And if you ARE engaging in any of these behaviors, do be prepared to hear from Art there is always the possibility he will decide you have hung yourself and need a few months of quiet time. Sincerely, Michael Blood on 9/25/02 6:47 PM, Rafael B. Torres at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all good and good night. I was looking at some e-mails and there are some people that don't like Ad mails about Steve. I think we can have a solution here with a simple header in the mail. We should do this on every mail we send in order to discriminate mails that we don't want to read, classifing them. Here is how I think: a)If somebody wants to send and Ad, or homepage update, we can put a header like: [meteorite-list] Ad, Trade, etc: Topic so people
[meteorite-list] HABO FAQ
I did not mention the weight of the Branuau, it is 6.6 grams. If you have looked through all three days and see nothing you intend to go after, feel free to settle up any outstanding payments and have your items shipped. I almost have my office back! -- Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] This is the only Hen Bearing Meteorite in the world
Hello List, I hope this hen doesn't lay a bunch of little ones, it might flood the market http://www.meteorman.org/Hen_Bearing_.htm Get your meteorites for free, head for the desert now. :-[ Tim Heitz Midwest Meteorites - Home of THE METEORITE PUSHER http://www.meteorman.org
Re: [meteorite-list] This is the only Hen Bearing Meteorite in the world
Tim, I thinks I have one of it's 'eggs' free range 'egg' best, ken newton wrongs on ebay Tim Heitz wrote: Hello List, I hope this hen doesn't lay a bunch of little ones, it might flood the market http://www.meteorman.org/Hen_Bearing_.htm Get your meteorites for free, head for the desert now.:-[ Tim Heitz Midwest Meteorites - Home of THE METEORITE PUSHER http://www.meteorman.org
[meteorite-list] Stoning the whore...........Rocks From Earth...to Earth
Dear List, and Michael; Art does a great job of not guiding his list. Freedom of speech is a great thing here in our meteorite central world. Many of those who repeatedly post fail to adhere to the list Policies and this results in...the stoning of the whore(s) by a number of list members. I see it as not a mob piling on (stoning the whore to use your term) but a case of a number of list members feel grossly offended at a single offender (get some clothes on that whore, she's plain ugly and obscene at 400 pounds...and needs a razor too). Maybe the illiterate whore who does not read does not really belong in the church of the meteorite where others read. What I find just as offensive as the ugly whore is the enthronement of the whore by others who would promote the whore to martyrdom to make themselves feel good. Read the list policies you whores...to avoid the stones. Duck is duck David (not related to Goliath) Freeman Michael L Blood wrote: Hi Rafael all, Not a bad idea - that's why Art set it up already, as stated in the list policies - pertinent policies are cited below: 3.Do not post -private messages- or -personal attacks- to the list 4.Please include the 'subject' of the post in the subject box 9.If you are posting a URL for a sale, include 'SALE' in the subject box What I have to say next is not aimed at you, Rafael, but at the dozens of individuals who just seem never to get it. I have read with interest and not a little humor, comments by some list members to the effect of, Let's add this (or that) to the policy, etc. This shows such a lack of comprehension of the basic functioning of the list as to stagger me. EVERYONE: it is very simple. Go to Meteorite Central. READ what is written about this list. That's it. That's all there is. Not you, not I, not self appointed leaders, nor the most highly opinionated list contributors have any say whatsoever in running of this list. It is a list by Meteorite Central. Art was so kind and generous as to provide it to the meteorite community. Furthermore, he set it up VERY, VERY well to function smoothly without further modification. It is NOT a democracy - it is a NEWSLETTER! It is privately sponsored, unmoderated and Art, and ONLY ART can or will ever have anything to say about list rules, guidelines, etc. On very rare occasion he has suspended individuals who CHRONICALLY and dramatically violate list policy - particularly about attacking other list members and especially when profanity is used. (Yes, I know there is no STATED policy on obscenity, but that is because it is OBVIOUSLY unacceptable) On only a couple of occasions have people been permanently banned from the list, and they were extreme examples of chronic violators of both attacking and using obscenity. In other words, he will only intervene in extreme cases. (In this instance, all that is required is to include the word, SALE in any post promoting a sale of material). IF YOU READ THE LIST POLICIES and other procedural information clearly articulated at Meteorite Central, you should be able to get this. I have found meteorite collectors to be exceptionally intelligent people, with the exception being how some relate to this list. Then, somehow, they completely loose all rationale. Not a few have used this list as some sort of opportunity to vent - choosing some offender and then beating the hell out of him. I could be wrong, but I believe all email programs now offer a filter of some sort to block email from individual email addresses. This is one option that would easily solve any problem these people have with another list member's posts. Then, there is always the delete button if your system does not offer the option of a filter. So, what is WRONG with these peopleit is simple: Email, coupled with a public forum, such as a newsletter, gives these people an opportunity to ATTACK! - vent their spleen - engage in some sort of email-road rage. When this occurs, it is usually as (or even more) offensive than the original problem. Now, personally, I must confess that I occasionally find such behavior amusingor even a little satisfying ala vicarious pleasure at seeing some jerk getting bonked for doing/saying something I thought was obnoxious. What I do find less entertaining is when people start ganging up and I feel I am watching a stoning of the whore scene from the bible. However, what really, really bothers me is when people start fantasizing that they can set rules for this list. That is the exclusive prerogative of Art Jones - and he has demonstrated for years a calm wisdom in honoring freedom of speech - which, of course, gives everyone a chance to hang themselves. As you likely have noticed, many make use of this opportunity. So, if you want to abuse list policy, hop to it, but be prepared to be flamed. If you are a flamer,
Re: [meteorite-list] HABO FAQ
Hi Rob and List, All I can say is that you've done a great job with this sale, and the meteorite list is fortunate to have someone like you as a participant. (applause) In spite of all of the issues this list has to contend with, it's nice to see humanity reign. Best Wishes, Steven Sachs / IMCA #9210 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TEKTITES VS. TEARS
I don't have that many tektites.. a couple of pounds I guessBut they do not look anything like apache tears, snowflake obsidian or regular obsidian to me. Wabar pearls may be similar to obsidian in appearance.. but not apache tears...So I am ignorant of the problem. Apache tears come form the Superior mine in Arizona. I do not know where else. Rosie - Original Message - From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 3:02 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] TEKTITES VS. TEARS Original Message - [meteorite-list] TEKTITES VS. TEARS Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:52:44 -0500 mafer wrote: Hi Sterling and list I still think the microwave test is valid and proves the same thing. Heat both in a microwave, and see the obsidian get too hot to handle (from water content). Mark -- Hi! Great idea! Tomorrow I'm going to microwave an australite, an indochinite, a moldavite, a bediasite, an apache tear, and a big chunk of wyoming obsidian and see what happens. Sterling -- Hi Sterling and Mark, Make sure that you use an asbestos pad under your specimens, because the obsidian will heat to boiling in less than a minute, and take care in handling the tektites, because some of them will still get very hot to the touch. I've attached some correspondence that recounts some of our earlier efforts at comparison testing. Take Care Bob V. --- Attached Message --- Twink Monrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday Jim did the torch test on the specimens you sent, Bob. He also torched some more AZites, with our usual results - glowed red, then returned to original state. Also torched a very smooth-surfaced, alleged Apache tear purchased here, and it glowed red and returned to normal state. All following were sent to JK by RV: Indochinite: glowed red, returned to original state. Mouth of Adams Canyon, Antelope Valley: glowed red, cooled with white foam appearance on outside. Davis Creek obsidian: Used a cut-off end piece: crumbled apart as it turned a light red color. Rachael, Nevada obsidian: Glowed bright orange, returned to normal state except for a tiny area with white foam. No. CA. cloudy banded obsidian: glowed bright orange, did not break, returned to original state. No. CA (probably) : Used a cut-off end piece: turned bright orange and broke into many pieces. Bob, do you wish to have any of these returned to you for further study? Thanks for your interest, Twink Monrad Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:58:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Monrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JK torch test 8/19/00 Hi Twink, Thanks for the detailed list of results, and thank Jim for me for running the tests. I think the results are very interesting. Please let me know what kind of conclusions you and Jim are drawing from all of your tests. I think the results could be important, considering the high bid prices on similar specimens like the item in the following recent eBay auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=403945268 A lot of money for a 3.8 gram stone that could very easily be just an Apache Tear! :-) bob v. Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:05:13 -0700 To: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Monrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JK torch test 8/19/00 Since one of your specimens, the large obsidian chip, also did not change, it looks like the results are inconclusive, unless there is something special about marenkenite (low percentage of hydration), also... Just had a note from Darryl Futrell who said that red hot is not hot enough, that we need white hot, so when Jim has the inclination may try it again. Will keep you posted, Twink End of Attached Message __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TEKTITES VS. TEARS
In a message dated 9/26/2002 6:03:07 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . Apache tears come form the Superior mine in Arizona. I do not know where else There are many sites in the West for apache tears, and I have some from at least half a dozen places, some in Utah, in Nevada, and of course from Colorado. They do not look at all like tektites. And they don't look at all like "AZites" (of "Saffordites") either. Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Wabar Pearls or Beads
In a message dated 9/26/2002 11:35:59 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anne wrote: I got a few more at the Denver Show, mostly "odd-shaped" ones, often meaning that they are chipped or broken. I have been looking at the broken ones and was rather surprised. I was expecting them to be glassy all the way through like Libyan Glass or Moldavite, but that is not the case at all. I found that they are composed of a glassy outer shell packed with tiny black grains of sand (I suppose) tightly packed and glued together. It looks as if the vitrification process was incomplete, only the outer layer turned to glass. Any comments? No, not (yet). Are there any pictures you could put up on your website. I would very much like to see those tiny black grains of sand that are so tightly packed and glued together as you state. They m a y (speculation only so far!) represent highly * d e- * vitrified impactite melt beads. Certainement Bernd! There are 4 pictures waiting for you (and whomever else is interested). I hope they are good enough but I am not so sure. 2 are of a Wabar pearl with black grainy interior. And 2 of another pearl showing WHITE interior. Now I am very curious to see what explanation there can be, particularly the 2nd one. And what exactly do you mean by "de-vitrify" ? Here are the links: www.impactika.com/images/WabarBlack1.jpg www.impactika.com/images/WabarBlack2.jpg www.impactika.com/images/WabarWhite1.jpg www.impactika.com/images/WabarWhite2.jpg Best of luck. Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
