Re: [meteorite-list] Just witnessed large fireball.

[Michael Farmer]

Not that fast, I have seen 20 years of meteor showers, and this one was not 
a cometary piece, that is for sure. It was slow enough that I followed it 
accross the sky on it's way down. It is the third best fireball I have ever 
seen. 
Mike Farmer

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  witnessed large fireball.
  
  In a message dated 11/3/2003 5:53:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  >>fireball falling very fast 
  <<
  Mike, if the meteor appeared to be moving "Very Fast", you can kiss off 
  the idea of any meteorites dropping from it. This is an indication of it being 
  of cometary origin...very fragile and soft material. Plus at that speed, more 
  than likely to burn up even if it was astroidal.
  George Zay
  

Re: [meteorite-list] Just witnessed large fireball. Me too!

[GeoZay]

In a message dated 11/3/2003 6:44:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>fast mover, green tint.Makes me wonder if we aren't in a long peroid, hitherto unknown, very wide stream of asteroidal debris. <<
Again, this kind of velocity is indicative of cometary material...very soft.
George Zay

Re: [meteorite-list] Just witnessed large fireball.

[GeoZay]

In a message dated 11/3/2003 5:53:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>fireball falling very fast <<
Mike, if the meteor appeared to be moving "Very Fast", you can kiss off the idea of any meteorites dropping from it. This is an indication of it being of cometary origin...very fragile and soft material. Plus at that speed, more than likely to burn up even if it was astroidal.
George Zay

Re: [meteorite-list] Just witnessed large fireball. Me too!

[E.J]

Michael Farmer wrote:

  
  
  
  Hi everyone, I just saw a very nice
large fireball  Anyone else? There might be some reports from further
west, Phoenix, payson etc. 
  Mike Farmer 

  Not that one, but here in Pennsylvania, last night at 1:02 AM  I saw
one AZ 340° while driving north  on I 476, 2 miles south of the
Lansdale exit   I hadn't had the time to file a full report. The angle
was between 60-70°, fast mover, green tint.

Makes me wonder if we aren't in a long peroid, hitherto unknown, very
wide stream of asteroidal debris.  The fireball count has sure been up
lately.

Elton

[meteorite-list] Just witnessed large fireball.

[Michael Farmer]

Hi everyone, I just saw a very nice large fireball 
falling while driving home in downtown Tucson. I was on I10 and saw the fireball 
falling very fast from the west to the east. ~60 degree angle, very nice and 
bright, single piece. Anyone else? There might be some reports from further 
west, Phoenix, payson etc. 
Mike Farmer
Just got home from Germany, what a sight to see! 

 

[meteorite-list] park forest revisited, again,again, and again

[Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!]

Hello list.Just another reminder to all who live in and around the park
forest, illinois, wisconsin,michigan, and indiana area.I will be coming
back down to park forest on the 8th.I am going to make it an all day
affair.I will be down there around 7 am.Any and all are more than welcome
to join me.I am really looking forward to doing some serious hunting
finally for a change.The weather is supposed to be around 50 and very
sunny.So all come down and lets try to find some more of this
meteorite.Let me know if you can make it.


  steve arnold, chicago, usa!!!

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I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 
Illinois Meteorites 
website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] ad - Chinga 1kilo nice individual + more

[John Sinclair]

For those interested, a link to my auctions would help.

http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoriteusa.com/

Thanks again, John

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Greetings List,

I have a few meteorites at auction ending this week.
Including:

Chinga 1046 gram individual Ataxite
Post Texas
Tishomingo part slice Martensitic Ataxite
Haxtun  H/L 4 fragment
Muonionalusta thin part slice 

Non Meteorites
Josephinite nickel iron nugget
Desert Glass from Egypt

Thanks for your time,
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RE: [meteorite-list] Cheaper NWA Ebay sale

[Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems]

Good bye, meteorite market *g*

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bessey
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Cheaper NWA Ebay sale

.
I am hoping to liquidate pretty much everything that I
own on ebay over the next 6 months and plan on getting
rid of several thousands pounds of meteorites so keep
checking my auctions for always new meteorites that I
am hoping to sell fast.
Cheers
DEAN (AMUNRE)

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[meteorite-list] Cheaper NWA Ebay sale

[dean bessey]

I had planned to make this sale posting two weeks ago
after I got nearly 300 meteorites listed on ebay
mostly with buy it nows but when I went to do so all
but 38 were sold using buy it now so I had to list
more. I have around 160 meetorite auctions listed now.
Most are leftover NWAs that I am just trying to dump
cheap and I dont have much better stuff listed. But if
you want cheap meteorites this might be the sale for
you. Try this url
http://tinyurl.com/thk1
This should bring you to just my meteorite auctions
and ignore the other uninteresting junk that I sell
but if it dont work do a search on my ebay id AMUNRE.
I am hoping to liquidate pretty much everything that I
own on ebay over the next 6 months and plan on getting
rid of several thousands pounds of meteorites so keep
checking my auctions for always new meteorites that I
am hoping to sell fast.
Cheers
DEAN (AMUNRE)

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[meteorite-list] ad - Chinga 1kilo nice individual + more

[John Sinclair]

Greetings List,

I have a few meteorites at auction ending this week.
Including:

Chinga 1046 gram individual Ataxite
Post Texas
Tishomingo part slice Martensitic Ataxite
Haxtun  H/L 4 fragment
Muonionalusta thin part slice 

Non Meteorites
Josephinite nickel iron nugget
Desert Glass from Egypt

Thanks for your time,
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[meteorite-list] Fw: QUICK FALL METEORITE SALE....

[Michael Cottingham]

 
- Original Message - 
From: Michael 
Cottingham 
To: Michael Cottingham 
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:17 AM
Subject: QUICK FALL METEORITE SALE

Hello Everyone,
 
Here are a few items for sale... PAYPAL OR MONEY 
ORDER PREFERRED.
 
Thanks & Best Wishes
 
Michael Cottingham
 
1. NWA 1465, CV3,  Western Sahara,  
Found 2001, TKW 3kg.
Part slice.12.9 
gram..$103.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov1.JPG
Part Slice. 6 
gram.$48.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov2.JPG
Part Slice. 2.5 
gram..$20.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov3.JPG
 
2.  FALSEY DRAW, L6 Chondrite, Chaves County, 
New Mexico, Found 1997, TKW 4.18kg.
Full Slice.. 200 
gram.$365.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov42.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov43.JPG
 
3. KUNASHANK, L6, Chelyabinskaya, Russia, Fell June 
11, 1949 @0814hrs, TKW 200kg.
Half Slice.. 256 
gram$575.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov44.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov45.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov46.JPG
 
4. URUACU, IAB Iron, Goias, Brazil, Found 1992, TKW 
72.5kg.
Complete Slice... 316 
gram...$550.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov36.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov37.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov38.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov39.JPG
 
5. COOK 001, H5, Nullarbar Plains, Australia, Found 
1989, TKW 5.195kg.
Part Slice... 23.57 
gram.$47.50
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/oscook.JPG
 
6. TOLAR, H4, De Baca County, New Mexico, Found 
1972, TKW 5.3kg.
Large Slice. 214 
grams..$399.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/ostolar.JPG
 
7.  THUATHE, H4, Lesotho, Africa, Fell July 
21, 2002. TKW ?
Individual 86 
gram..$349.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/osthu.JPG
 
8.  NWA 515, L6, Eastern Morocco, Found 2000. 
TKW ~15kg.
Part Slice... 37 
gram..$30.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/osnwa515.JPG
 
9.  TAIBAN (b), LL6,  De Baca County, New 
Mexico, Found 1975, TKW 1.19kg.
Part Slice... 20.8 
gram...$59.50
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/ostab.JPG
 
10. OUM ROKBA, H5, Oum Rokba, Morocco, Found 2000, 
TKW ~100kg.
Complete Individual. 1426 
gram...$625.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov47.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov48.JPG
 
11. KAINSAZ, CO3, Tartar Republic, Russia, Fell 
June 11, 1949 @ 0814hrs, TKW 200kg.
Complete Individual. 140.33 
gram..$775.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov49.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov50.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov51.JPG
 
12. LEEDY, L6,  Dewey County, Oklahoma, Fell 
November 25, 1943 @ 1900hrs, TKW ~50kg.
Part Slice... 18 
gram$45.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/osleedy.JPG
 
13.  O'DONNELL, H5, Dawson County, Texas, USA, 
Found 1992, TKW 12.7kg.
Complete Slice 298 
gram...$525.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov52.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov53.JPG
 
14. WUAN, H6, Hebei, China, Fell July 31, 1986 @ 
1100hrs, TKW 50kg.
Part Slice with nice crust... 26.2 
gram...$52.50
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/oswuan.JPG
 
15. RENCORET, H6,  Calama, Chile, Found 1996, 
TKW 1.9kg.
Part Slice... 2.2 
gram...$19.50
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/osren.JPG
 
16. HAMMADAH AL HAMRA 183, LL6, Jabal al Gharb, 
Libya, Found 1996, TKW 5kg.
End Piece with 3 cut faces 562 grams 
$450.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov40.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov41.JPG
 
17. CLEBURNE, IVA Iron, Johnson County, Texas, USA, 
Found 1907, TKW 6.8kg.
Part Slice.. 9.29 
gram..$42.50
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov57.JPG
Part Slice.. 14.90 
gram.$59.60
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov58.JPG
 
18. BARRATTA, L3.8,  NSW, Australia, Found 
1845-1905, TKW ~203kg. (LAST PIECE-AWESOME)
Part Slice... 23.49 
gram.$145.60
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov61.JPG
 
19. GUANACO, IIG Iron, Aguas Verde, Chile, Found 
2000, TKW 13.1kg.
Part Slice.. 8.3 
gram..$60.00
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov59.JPG
 
20. CERRO DEL INCA, IIIF Iron, Antofagasta, Chile, 
Found 1997, TKW 20.6kg.
Part Slice. 7.5 
gram$52.50
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/4596/nov60.JPG
 
21. ZAG, H3-6, 
 Western Saha

[meteorite-list] Extraterrestrial Enigma: Missing Amino Acids In Meteorites

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.geosociety.org/news/pr/03-37.htm

The Geological Society of America News Release
Contact: Contact: Ann Cairns
Phone: 303-357-1056; Fax: 303-357-1074
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HOLD FOR EMBARGO
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 12:00 A.M., EST

Extraterrestrial Enigma: Missing Amino Acids In Meteorites

Amino acids have been found in interstellar clouds and in meteorites - but
with some enigmatic omissions and tantalizing similarities to life on Earth.
Just why some amino acids are present in meteorites and others are absent,
and why they seem to prefer the same "left-handed" molecular structure as
Earth's living amino acids are questions that could unravel one of the most
fundamental questions of science: Where and how did life begin?

"The bottom line is that you have these materials that come from space,"
says Steve Macko, professor of environmental sciences at the University of
Virginia in Charlottesville. Macko refers specifically to eight of the amino
acids found in a certain kind of meteorite - a carbonaceous chondrite. All
eight amino acids are identical to those used by life on Earth. That could
seem to point to a cosmic origin of these basic biological building blocks,
says Macko. The case is bolstered by the fact that early Earth was bombarded
with meteorites and the amino acid glycine has been detected on interstellar
molecular clouds.

The implications and enigmas of extraterrestrial amino acids will be
detailed at a special session celebrating the life and work of the late
Glenn Goodfriend, on Monday, Nov. 3, 2003, at the annual meeting of the
Geological Society of America in Seattle, WA.

Making the case for cosmic origins of Earth's amino acids even more
compelling is the fact that all of the meteorite amino acids, except
glycine, favor the "left-handed" molecular structure, or chirality, that is
also favored by life on Earth. The preference for left-handed amino acids
was a necessary precondition for life, but just why life chose left (L-amino
acids) over right (D-amino acids) is a mystery.

"Essentially all of your protein is made of L-amino acids," said Macko. "Why
is that? We don't know. The curious thing is that if you go to a meteorite
you find a predominance of the same thing."

Another unanswered question: Why have only eight of life's 20 amino acids
been found in meteorites? Perhaps all the amino acids were there, but
something about the history of the meteorites or the analytical processes
used limited their presence or their detection, Macko speculates.

Only in recent years has the idea of amino acids from space affecting the
start of life on Earth become a plausible hypothesis, explains Macko.
Initially, amino acids were thought to have been created in the primordial
atmosphere of early Earth. In a now famous experiment more than a
half-century ago, Stanley Miller and Harold Urey showed that amino acids
were synthesized by simply creating lightning-like electrical discharges
through a fog of water, methane and ammonia - all of which were thought to
be readily available in Earth's early years. The experiment was proof that
amino acids, out of which all life's proteins are made, can be created by
strictly physical-chemical processes, without the help of living organisms.

Perhaps the most famous carbonaceous chondrite was the Murchison meteorite,
which fragmented and fell in 1969 in and around the small town of Murchison,
Victoria, about 70 miles north of Melbourne, Australia. Amino acids and
other organic molecules were found in the Murchison meteorite. The mix of
amino acids found in the Murchison Meteorite was similar to those produced
in Miller-Urey type experiments. A chief difference, however, was seen by
Mike Engel in his PhD research: Unlike the Miller-Urey experiment which
produced equal amounts of the D and L- amino acids, Murchison tended to have
l-amino acids predominate. The fact that the meteorite was seen falling and
fragments were collected quickly minimized the chances that they were
contaminated by Earth amino acids.

The Miller-Urey experiment, combined with the discovery of amino acids in
carbonaceous chondrites and the detection of glycine in molecular clouds,
raise compelling issues about the origin of life on Earth, and its possible
existence elsewhere in the solar system and beyond.

The Significance of Protein Amino Acids in Carbonaceous Meteorites
Monday, November 3, 5:15 p.m., WSCTC: 606
Abstract may be viewed at:
gsa.confex.com/gsa/2003AM/finalprogram/abstract_59831.htm

CONTACT INFORMATION

Steve Macko
434-924-6849
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Michael Engel
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During the GSA Annual Meeting, Nov. 2-5, contact Ann Cairns at the GSA
Newsroom, Washington State Convention Center and Trade Center, Seattle, for
assistance and to arrange for interviews: 206-219-4615.

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[meteorite-list] Hydrogen Sulfide, Not Carbon Dioxide, May Have Caused Largest Mass Extinction

[Ron Baalke]

http://live.psu.edu/story/4549 

Hydrogen sulfide, not carbon dioxide, may have caused largest mass extinction
Penn State
November 3, 2003

Seattle, Wash. -- While most scientists agree that a meteor strike killed the
dinosaurs, the cause of the largest mass extinction in Earth's history, 251
million years ago, is still unknown, according to geologists.

"During the end-Permian extinction 95 percent of all species on Earth became
extinct, compared to only 75 percent during the KT when the dinosaurs
disappeared," says Lee R. Kump, professor of geosciences. "The end-Permian is
puzzling. There is no convincing smoking gun, no compelling evidence of an
asteroid impact."

Researchers have shown that the deep oceans were anoxic, lacking oxygen, in
the late Permian and research shows that the continental shelf areas in the
end-Permian were also anoxic. One explanation is that sea level rose so that
the anoxic deep water was covering the shelf. Another possibility is that the
surface ocean and deep ocean mixed, bringing anoxic waters to the surface.

Decomposition of organisms in the deep ocean could have caused an
overabundance of carbon dioxide, which is lethal to many oceanic organisms and
land-based animals.

"However, we find mass extinction on land to be an unlikely consequence of
carbon dioxide levels of only seven times the preindustrial level," Kump told
attendees today (Nov. 3) at the annual meeting of the Geological Society of
America in Seattle. "Plants, in general, love carbon dioxide, so it is
difficult to think of carbon dioxide as a good kill mechanism."

On the other hand, hydrogen sulfide gas, produced in the oceans through
sulfate decomposition by sulfur bacteria, can easily kill both terrestrial and
oceanic plants and animals.

Humans can smell hydrogen sulfide gas, the smell of rotten cabbage, in the
parts per trillion range. In the deeps of the Black Sea today, hydrogen
sulfide exists at about 34 parts per million. This is a toxic brew in which
any aerobic, oxygen-needing, organism would die. For the Black Sea, the
hydrogen sulfide stays in the depths because our rich oxygen atmosphere mixes
in the top layer of water and controls the diffusion of hydrogen sulfide
upwards.

In the end-Permian, as the levels of atmospheric oxygen fell and the levels of
hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide rose, the upper levels of the oceans could
have become rich in hydrogen sulfide catastrophically. This would kill most of
the oceanic plants and animals. The hydrogen sulfide dispersing in the
atmosphere would kill most terrestrial life.

Kump and colleagues, Alexander Pavlov, University of Colorado; Michael Arthur,
professor of geosciences, Penn State; Anthony Riccardi, graduate student, Penn
State; and Yashuhiro Kato, University of Tokyo, are looking at sediments from
the end-Permian found in Japan.

"We are looking for biomarkers, indications of photosynthetic sulfur
bacteria," says Kump. "These photo autotrophic organisms live in places where
there is no oxygen, but still some sunlight. They would have been in their hay
day in the end-Permian." Finding biomarkers of green sulfur bacteria would
provide evidence for hydrogen sulfide as the cause of the mass extinctions.

So, what of the 5 percent of the species on Earth that survived? Kump suggests
that the mixing of the deep ocean layers and the upper layer was not uniform
and that refugia, places where oxygen still existed, remained, both in the
oceans and on land.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Mountain

[John Gwilliam]

Steve and List,

Three or four years ago, Ivan Koutyrev and I were sitting at John 
Blennert's kitchen table talking about the possibilities of recovering some 
of the Marjalati specimens that had been seen to fall into the 
lake.  According to Ivan, he had a very reliable source of information 
about a large individual that fell into the water not far from 
shore.  Since Ivan was confident that he knew the location pretty well, I 
suggested a large rare earth magnet attached to a long aluminum or plastic 
pole.  Ivan shook his head repeatedly and said it was a bad 
idea.  Finally,he drew me a picture.  It showed the surface of the water 
with a boat floating on it, a stick man with a long pole, and the bottom of 
the lake.  Along the bottom he had drawn several bombs!

Later, Ivan and his intrepid partner, Vladimir, made a trip to the lake 
with some ancient scuba gear.  Since neither of then had any experience 
with diving, Ivan decide to stay in the boat and let Vladimir do the 
diving(the brains of the operation '-)).  Vladimir put on the gear, tied a 
rope to himself and went into the water carrying a waterproof metal detector.

I wish I could have seen pictures of this diving equipment they 
used.  There are several experienced divers on the list including Gregory 
Wilson, Dean Bessey and myself, and we all know that diving with 
questionable, old equipment is courting disaster.  All of my diving was 
done with the aid of a computer that told me how long I'd been down, how 
much air I had left, and how much longer I could dive that day without 
risking getting "bent."  Getting bent, or "the bends" is the result of 
staying submerged too long and absorbing nitrogen into your 
bloodstream.  When you come to the surface, the nitrogen molecules expand 
causing extreme pain and sometimes even death.

Vladimir's air tank didn't even have a pressure gauge on it - he had no way 
of knowing when he was running low on air.

His first clue that he was out of air was when he tried to take a breath 
and nothing happened.  Up on top, Ivan had been watching the regular plume 
of bubbles coming to the surface.  After a while he noticed the bubbles had 
stopped.  Pulling on the rope brought a blue-faced Vladimir to the surface 
where he gasped for air for quite some time before he was strong enough to 
climb into the boat.

No, they didn't find any of the illusive pallasite...but oh...what an 
adventure!

Best,

John Gwilliam

At 08:03 AM 11/3/03 -0800, Steve Schoner wrote:
Harlan and all.

Marjahlati does have fusion crust, but it is much blacker than what I have 
seen on Glorieta.  The main mass of Marjahlati was broken on impact and 
the main piece sat outside of the Russian Academy for years and was picked 
at for its olivine crystals.

These crystals were used as a standard for olivine, at least that is what 
I was told.

Now, Marjahlati has two types of olivine.   Gem quality and the powder 
type, like Imilac.  The two meteorites, though different isotopic ally 
appear to be structurally related.  For years, the powdered olivines of 
Imilac were interpreted as weathered olivine

I don't think so, I think that though weathering has occurred the 
structure of Marjahlati does have similar shattered olivines.

These in flight and breakup often get scooped out so that pieces fall that 
have no olivine remaining.

In the case of Marjahlati it was reported that the main mass, the only one 
recovered, fell on a granite outcrop and was shattered, but hoards of 
people that were bathing on the lake shore reported that the water off 
shore was peppered with numerous splashes from falling meteorites.

Who knows how many pallasites are on the lake bottom But the problem 
now is that that lake was the site of major battles during WWII.   There 
could be huge numbers of shells and bombs there now, as during the war, I 
think that the lake was a route for supplies to bolster Leningrad.   It 
was bombed repeatedly by the NAZI's during the months that the ice was 
thick enough to allow the supply lines to go over it.

So, if this is true... I would not venture to search for meteorites there.

As for the olivine, in pallasites, I have noticed, especially with 
Glorieta that if they develop a crust it is usually black from the melt of 
the iron that surrounds them.  I have not seen any olivines with their own 
unique fusion crust.   It could be that they simply fracture under heat, 
until nothing is left.

Nininger noted that in Glorieta the "thumbprints" were often the size of 
olivines, and that many of the small irons have these "thumbprints"

See: 
http://ww 
w.geocities.com/american_meteorite_survey/GLORIETA.html

These "thumbprints" were according to Nininger, the result of the olivine 
being stripped out of the iron during the final phases of the flight.

So where is that olivine now... It is most likely scattered all over the 
strewnfield in small gr

Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Mountain

[MARK BOSTICK]

Hello Ruben,   Mike Miller and you guys have been doing great hunting Glorieta and other southwest strewnfields.  The slices that Killgore prepared from Mike's 12lb'er are just stunning.   You are likely correct on the GPS readings.  My GPS thought it was in Kansas still and wasn't reading.  It did ask me if I was in a new location...but I accidently pressed no and couldnt figure out how to tell it new location.  Jerry told me what his said.but I am likely confused.     Wow Steve, I wish I would have found that Olivine crystal.  I did manage to lose a hand radio out there myself, so if anyone finds onein the small end of the strewnfieldlet me know...:-)   Mark Bostick  

[meteorite-list] Another Meteorite Fall In India?

[Ron Baalke]

http://us.rediff.com/news/2003/nov/03up.htm

Meteorite-like object lands in UP village
rediff.com (India)
November 3, 2003

A huge solid object fell from the sky in Kasoli village of 
Muzaffarnagar district on Sunday night and created an 
approximately three feet deep crater in the western Uttar 
Pradesh hamlet.

The object, and the crater it created, has evoked 
considerable curiosity among residents and scientists.

District Magistrate R K Singh told PTI on Monday that
villagers claimed to have seen the object, weighing about 
19kg, falling from the sky around 1900 IST with a loud noise.

Later, they found an 8x9 sq inch black-coloured solid object in
the field of a farmer, Kishan.

Following receipt of the information, police rushed to the 
village and took the object to Muzaffarnagar, the district 
headquarters, which is about 30km away.

Experts from the Roorkee Engineering College have been 
asked to examine it. 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Mountain

[Steve Schoner]

Harlan and all.
 
Marjahlati does have fusion crust, but it is much blacker than what I have seen on Glorieta.  The main mass of Marjahlati was broken on impact and the main piece sat outside of the Russian Academy for years and was picked at for its olivine crystals.
 
These crystals were used as a standard for olivine, at least that is what I was told.
 
Now, Marjahlati has two types of olivine.   Gem quality and the powder type, like Imilac.  The two meteorites, though different isotopic ally appear to be structurally related.  For years, the powdered olivines of Imilac were interpreted as weathered olivine
 
I don't think so, I think that though weathering has occurred the structure of Marjahlati does have similar shattered olivines.
 
These in flight and breakup often get scooped out so that pieces fall that have no olivine remaining.  
 
In the case of Marjahlati it was reported that the main mass, the only one recovered, fell on a granite outcrop and was shattered, but hoards of people that were bathing on the lake shore reported that the water off shore was peppered with numerous splashes from falling meteorites.
 
Who knows how many pallasites are on the lake bottom But the problem now is that that lake was the site of major battles during WWII.   There could be huge numbers of shells and bombs there now, as during the war, I think that the lake was a route for supplies to bolster Leningrad.   It was bombed repeatedly by the NAZI's during the months that the ice was thick enough to allow the supply lines to go over it.
 
So, if this is true... I would not venture to search for meteorites there.
 
As for the olivine, in pallasites, I have noticed, especially with Glorieta that if they develop a crust it is usually black from the melt of the iron that surrounds them.  I have not seen any olivines with their own unique fusion crust.   It could be that they simply fracture under heat, until nothing is left.   
 
Nininger noted that in Glorieta the "thumbprints" were often the size of olivines, and that many of the small irons have these "thumbprints"
 
See:  http://www.geocities.com/american_meteorite_survey/GLORIETA.html
 
These "thumbprints" were according to Nininger, the result of the olivine being stripped out of the iron during the final phases of the flight.
 
So where is that olivine now... It is most likely scattered all over the strewnfield in small grains.
 
In 1986 I found a nickel sized olivine crystal.  I picked it up and wondered about it, as one side had a very thin coating of black, a fusion crust.  I could not believe that I had found such a nice crystal, all with my eyes and not with a detector (detector would not pick it up anyway).  
 
I would show it if I had it, for the pocket that I put it in had a hole
 
Ugh!
 
So, maybe someone with good eyes will someday find it again.
 
Steve Schoner/ams
harlan trammell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:






glorieta IS my favorite meteorite because of exactly what you said+ steve's incredible quest occupying a major part of his life that paid of for him. i have been buying little glorietas on ebay and love them. i have one with a crust fresher than most sikhotes. the  individuals are great and the junky ones are really fun to cut, polish or etch. truly a great american skyrock indeed! oh, exacly WAHT is the melting point of olivene? is this melting point acheived during reentry or does the olivene just heat up, crack and "flake"out of those holes? also, if marjahlati is a pallasite fall, where are the crusted individuals like glorieata?
>From: "MARK BOSTICK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>To: "Meteorite List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Subject: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Mountain 

>Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:29:57 -0600 

> 

>Hello Everybody, 

> 

>Just spent the last few days at Glorieta Mountainand the somewhat local casinos. 

> 

>Man are those little irons hard to find. The mountains in this region are a soft gravel sand like mixture that makes walking around them hard, being 3500 ft up doesnt help either. I had to stop and take a rest every thirty minutes or so to keep from tiring out. 

> 

>I went with a local collector, Jerry Calvert, and together we found two meteorites, one each. Mine a tiny droplet and his a ~10g with a neat shape. 

> 

>Together we spent probley $500 on the trip and four days of time. Makes you respect Glorieta Mountain hunters a little more. 

> 

>I have about 250 e-mails so please bear with me for a couple days. 

> 

>Mark Bostick 

>www.meteoritearticles.com 




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Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Mountain

[MARK BOSTICK]

Hello Harlan and list,   Little Glorietas have been selling around $10.00/g on eBayan undervalued price I believed before I went to the mountains and a way undervalued price I believe now after hunting for them.     I wrote last night Glorieta is 3500 ft up, that was a mistype.  Glorieta is 8500 ft up.  Steve Schoner spent many full days in this field, walking 8-10 miles.  With the threat of bears (really), hostile neighbors (I got shot atbut it was a warning shot), and walking over the light sand dirt mixture that covers the many ups and downs of the canyons and hills.  I have to say my hat is off to Steve.  Look for photos and more on Glorieta Mountain in the December issue Meteorite Times.     Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com

Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Mountain

[ruben garcia]

Hi Harlen, 
Are you are refering to the 15 gram or so Glorieta
that I sold you? If so I must tell you that we all
thought that might me the nicest example of a glorieta
we've ever seen. It has the most amazing spiral flow
lines and fusion crust ever. Plus it had nice olivine
too. I do kinda regret selling that one. Oh well...

Ruben Garcia
Mr-Meteorite  (ebay)



--- harlan trammell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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glorieta IS my favorite meteorite because of exactly
what you said+ steve's incredible quest occupying a
major part of his life that paid of for him. i have
been buying little glorietas on ebay and love them. i
have one with a crust fresher than most sikhotes. the 
individuals are great and the junky ones are really
fun to cut, polish or etch. truly a great american
skyrock indeed! oh, exacly WAHT is the melting point
of olivene? is this melting point acheived during
reentry or does the olivene just heat up, crack and
"flake"out of those holes? also, if marjahlati is a
pallasite fall, where are the crusted individuals like
glorieata?





>From: "MARK BOSTICK" 

>To: "Meteorite List" 

>Subject: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Mountain 

>Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:29:57 -0600 

> 

>Hello Everybody, 

> 

>Just spent the last few days at Glorieta
Mountainand the somewhat local casinos. 

> 

>Man are those little irons hard to find. The
mountains in this region are a soft gravel sand like
mixture that makes walking around them hard, being
3500 ft up doesnt help either. I had to stop and take
a rest every thirty minutes or so to keep from tiring
out. 

> 

>I went with a local collector, Jerry Calvert, and
together we found two meteorites, one each. Mine a
tiny droplet and his a ~10g with a neat shape. 

> 

>Together we spent probley $500 on the trip and four
days of time. Makes you respect Glorieta Mountain
hunters a little more. 

> 

>I have about 250 e-mails so please bear with me for a
couple days. 

> 

>Mark Bostick 

>www.meteoritearticles.com 





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Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Mountain

[ruben garcia]

Mark and Jerry, 
You guys are brave going this time of year it is a
little cold for me. We decided to put off any further
trips to glorieta untill spring. There isn't much left
out there anymore, at least thats what every one says.
Last time we went Sept 17,18,and 19 of this year, two
of us found around 200 grams.
I'm not sure if we could do that well again. Every
time we go we find less and less. I figure between
myself, Mike Miller and Stan Wall, we have found about
900 - 1000 grams this year. However, That doesn't
include the GIANT 11.93 LB BEAUTY that Mike Miller
found. We will contine to go, but we are now in search
of the larger specimens that Mike has inspired us to
look for.
 There are no special secrets in Glorieta it is pretty
much a little luck and a lot of hard work. The
nice part is you don't need to find too much to make a
nice trip out of it. 
Oh Ya, I don't know how accurate my GPS unit is but it
says the elevation is more like 5800 ft.
 
Ruben Garcia  Mr-Meteorite 



--- MARK BOSTICK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Everybody,
> 
> Just spent the last few days at Glorieta
> Mountainand the somewhat local casinos.   
> 
> Man are those little irons hard to find.  The
> mountains in this region are a soft gravel sand like
> mixture that makes walking around them hard, being
> 3500 ft up doesnt help either.  I had to stop and
> take a rest every thirty minutes or so to keep from
> tiring out.
> 
> I went with a local collector, Jerry Calvert, and
> together we found two meteorites, one each.  Mine a
> tiny droplet and his a ~10g with a neat shape.
> 
> Together we spent probley $500 on the trip and four
> days of time.  Makes you respect Glorieta Mountain
> hunters a little more.  
> 
> I have about 250 e-mails so please bear with me for
> a couple days.
> 
> Mark Bostick
> www.meteoritearticles.com
> 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Mountain

[harlan trammell]

glorieta IS my favorite meteorite because of exactly what you said+ steve's incredible quest occupying a major part of his life that paid of for him. i have been buying little glorietas on ebay and love them. i have one with a crust fresher than most sikhotes. the  individuals are great and the junky ones are really fun to cut, polish or etch. truly a great american skyrock indeed! oh, exacly WAHT is the melting point of olivene? is this melting point acheived during reentry or does the olivene just heat up, crack and "flake"out of those holes? also, if marjahlati is a pallasite fall, where are the crusted individuals like glorieata?
>From: "MARK BOSTICK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>To: "Meteorite List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Subject: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Mountain 

>Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:29:57 -0600 

> 

>Hello Everybody, 

> 

>Just spent the last few days at Glorieta Mountainand the somewhat local casinos. 

> 

>Man are those little irons hard to find. The mountains in this region are a soft gravel sand like mixture that makes walking around them hard, being 3500 ft up doesnt help either. I had to stop and take a rest every thirty minutes or so to keep from tiring out. 

> 

>I went with a local collector, Jerry Calvert, and together we found two meteorites, one each. Mine a tiny droplet and his a ~10g with a neat shape. 

> 

>Together we spent probley $500 on the trip and four days of time. Makes you respect Glorieta Mountain hunters a little more. 

> 

>I have about 250 e-mails so please bear with me for a couple days. 

> 

>Mark Bostick 

>www.meteoritearticles.com 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Market report: NWA 801

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

I have put my complete lot of NWA 801 for $7/gr. why
sincerely this meteorite has tired to me, it has only
made me to lose a bag of money and nothing other. For
who is interested here find the auction ended at 5
hours

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2200451532&category=3239&rd=1

Regards

Matteo


--- "Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi there,
>  
> I have watched the sales of many meteorites for the
> last two months on
> ebay, and from time to time I would like to post,
> with general consensus
> on that, of course, my results here. To show you
> what to expect, I have
> analyzed the sales of NWA 801 over the last 8 weeks
> and will post my
> results here. Befores someone runs havoc again: this
> data is not
> compiled to break your privacy, but to HELP you to
> plan your sales.
>  
> There have been 16 sales of NWA 801 from 5 sellers
> over the last 7-8
> weeks I am aware of (I think I have got them all). 9
> were successful, 7
> were not.
> The interesting thing is that sales with more than
> 4.3 grams aren't
> successful at all. This might be because their
> starting bids are above
> what the customer pays for NWA 801 without a higher
> starting bid (with
> one exception).
>  
> The average price with successful NWA 801 sales is $
> 12.42. People paid
> between $ 7.42 and $ 22 per gram. App. 21g were
> sold, 73g weren't. 
>  
> Regards,
> Bernhard
>  
>  
> 


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[meteorite-list] Market report: NWA 801

[Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems]

Hi there,

 

I have watched the sales of many meteorites for the last two months on
ebay, and from time to time I would like to post, with general consensus on
that, of course, my results here. To show you what to expect, I have analyzed
the sales of NWA 801 over the last 8 weeks and will post my results here. Befores
someone runs havoc again: this data is not compiled to break your privacy, but
to HELP you to plan your sales.

 

There have been 16 sales of NWA 801 from 5 sellers over the last 7-8
weeks I am aware of (I think I have got them all). 9 were successful, 7 were
not.

The interesting thing is that sales with more than 4.3 grams aren’t
successful at all. This might be because their starting bids are above what the
customer pays for NWA 801 without a higher starting bid (with one exception).

 

The average price with successful NWA 801 sales is $ 12.42. People paid
between $ 7.42 and $ 22 per gram. App. 21g were sold, 73g weren’t. 

 

Regards,

Bernhard