[meteorite-list] A note from E.T.

[edwinthompson]

Hello  list, for years several friends in the world of meteorites have been forwarding 
the "cat fights" to me. Without being present on the list I can still remember the 
good ole' days of Michael Casper fame and this guy who came out of nowhere after 
buying Ray Meyer's collection for a start-up meteorite business, built his business 
into something that inspired many to get on-line with Space Rocks and then disappeared 
into obscurity and the world of coins from where he came, as did David Bowers and Ray 
Meyers and several other collectors. Over the years I've watched a lot of changes, no 
matter how tough, they have all been good. I can remember when there were only 6 
meteorite dealers on the planet. I can remember 15 years of begging Berbers to keep an 
eye out for rocks from the sky on their trips back to Algeria and Mauritania and Libya 
on camel trails to get more fossils to sell at the markets in Morocco. Little did I 
know that that Zagora in the 1980's or that first 138 kilos of El Hammami Mountains 
laid out in front of me in the desert in November of 1997, would turn into this 
wonderful flood of amazing material for all of us to share and enjoy. Little did I 
know that the first e-mail I received from Dr. Candace Kohl at my office in 1992 on my 
new IBM 486 computer would turn into this e-market we have today (back then only 
government employees and institutions even had email). I remember Glenn and Margaret 
Huss helping me build my slide collection for the meteorite lectures that I did three 
times a day, three days a week, every week, forty eight shows a year for 12 years from 
Seattle to San Diego to Tulsa Oklahoma, Salt Lake City, Denver, Tucson and El Paso. It 
was a hard grind but somebody had to get out there and build my customer base and 
nobody else was going to do it for me. Besides, I just couldn't see stepping on the 
toes of those few dealers that were making their livings by putting an advertisement 
in Sky and Telescope magazine, etc. Good guys have left us, in the science and in the 
hobby, hopefully good people are following in their foot steps. But with the great 
change has come an amazing opportunity for all of us to benefit from this time in 
living history. We have the chance to collect and preserve a mass of educational 
material for people now and a thousand years from now to enjoy, share, study, lust 
after and learn from. For all of us this science and hobby is for the fun and pleasure 
of learning and observing. Collecting these rocks from space and studying them is a 
dream come true for all of us, a tactile experience of passion for the mind and the 
soul.
Years ago, a book dealer who used to display in Tucson said, "are all meteorite 
dealers pirates?". He was fondly joking about the way we would all cheat lie and fight 
for the first chance at his books on meteorites and tektites. I thought about it for a 
minute and said "yes, I guess we are, we sail about looking for the next bounty and we 
all try to beat the other guy to the next treasure, there is no market structure, just 
sell as you can when and where you can. We lust after these stones as if they were 
gold and jewels" And he said " yeah and that's not to say anything about all those 
knives in the back!". We both laughed at the truth of it. 
So when my most prolific message forwarding friend lost his job and consequently lost 
his Internet access to the list, I found myself missing all of the fun, all the cat 
fights! A wise and wonderful motivational speaker Steve Chandler who used to be a 
sports writer in Tucson has many times said in his books and lectures " Don't get mad, 
get better". So in the name of fun and science and for the benefit of collectors, 
students, scientists, teachers, curators and public and private collections everywhere 
and for all time, keep up the good work everyone. Keep talking and fighting and 
arguing and laughing and hunting and lusting for more meteorites. Keep looking for the 
next treasure out there, keep spending your dollars and keep making trades, keep 
innovating new ways to beat the other guy to the bounty. We will all come and go, for 
all of us the end of the trail is the same. But these collections that we are building 
will go on. These specimens are out of the weather and into the hands of curators both 
amateur and professional. But someday we are all gone and most of these rocks will 
eventually end up in the hands of science and museums. So all that we do now, good or 
bad, ends up as good, as long as the specimens never disappear and as long as every 
specimen is well documented and labeled. John Wasson once said to Ruben and Warren and 
I, "What about the student a thousand years from now?". Think about that people, what 
we do now effects people a hundred years from now and a thousand years from now. There 
is a finite amount of material out there. We are in a blossom of historic discovery 
right now, we are living history that will fill the book

Re: [meteorite-list] A note from E.T.

[Michael L Blood]

Hi all,
For those list members who have not had the pleasure of meeting
ET in Tucson or his traveling road show, this is one of THE original
meteorite dealers. Talk about NWA ET brought out El Hammami
through the mountains on sweating camels way back when - way
before Dean Bessey  (arguably "The King of NWA") ever smashed
out his first Bessey Speck.
ET was the first dealer from whom I bought meteorites when I
started collecting and has always, especially in the beginning, been
a major source of material for me as a dealer as well as being generous
with information. He is also a most pleasant individual to "hang" out
with at any show and conversations really do tend to run as deep as
his words of wisdom presented below.
Best wishes, Michael


on 4/1/04 12:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

> Hello  list, for years several friends in the world of meteorites have been
> forwarding the "cat fights" to me. Without being present on the list I can
> still remember the good ole' days of Michael Casper fame and this guy who came
> out of nowhere after buying Ray Meyer's collection for a start-up meteorite
> business, built his business into something that inspired many to get on-line
> with Space Rocks and then disappeared into obscurity and the world of coins
> from where he came, as did David Bowers and Ray Meyers and several other
> collectors. Over the years I've watched a lot of changes, no matter how tough,
> they have all been good. I can remember when there were only 6 meteorite
> dealers on the planet. I can remember 15 years of begging Berbers to keep an
> eye out for rocks from the sky on their trips back to Algeria and Mauritania
> and Libya on camel trails to get more fossils to sell at the markets in
> Morocco. Little did I know that that Zagora in the 1980's or that first 138
> kilos of El Hammami Mountains laid out in front of me in the desert in
> November of 1997, would turn into this wonderful flood of amazing material for
> all of us to share and enjoy. Little did I know that the first e-mail I
> received from Dr. Candace Kohl at my office in 1992 on my new IBM 486 computer
> would turn into this e-market we have today (back then only government
> employees and institutions even had email). I remember Glenn and Margaret Huss
> helping me build my slide collection for the meteorite lectures that I did
> three times a day, three days a week, every week, forty eight shows a year for
> 12 years from Seattle to San Diego to Tulsa Oklahoma, Salt Lake City, Denver,
> Tucson and El Paso. It was a hard grind but somebody had to get out there and
> build my customer base and nobody else was going to do it for me. Besides, I
> just couldn't see stepping on the toes of those few dealers that were making
> their livings by putting an advertisement in Sky and Telescope magazine, etc.
> Good guys have left us, in the science and in the hobby, hopefully good people
> are following in their foot steps. But with the great change has come an
> amazing opportunity for all of us to benefit from this time in living history.
> We have the chance to collect and preserve a mass of educational material for
> people now and a thousand years from now to enjoy, share, study, lust after
> and learn from. For all of us this science and hobby is for the fun and
> pleasure of learning and observing. Collecting these rocks from space and
> studying them is a dream come true for all of us, a tactile experience of
> passion for the mind and the soul.
> Years ago, a book dealer who used to display in Tucson said, "are all
> meteorite dealers pirates?". He was fondly joking about the way we would all
> cheat lie and fight for the first chance at his books on meteorites and
> tektites. I thought about it for a minute and said "yes, I guess we are, we
> sail about looking for the next bounty and we all try to beat the other guy to
> the next treasure, there is no market structure, just sell as you can when and
> where you can. We lust after these stones as if they were gold and jewels" And
> he said " yeah and that's not to say anything about all those knives in the
> back!". We both laughed at the truth of it.
> So when my most prolific message forwarding friend lost his job and
> consequently lost his Internet access to the list, I found myself missing all
> of the fun, all the cat fights! A wise and wonderful motivational speaker
> Steve Chandler who used to be a sports writer in Tucson has many times said in
> his books and lectures " Don't get mad, get better". So in the name of fun and
> science and for the benefit of collectors, students, scientists, teachers,
> curators and public and private collections everywhere and for all time, keep
> up the good work everyone. Keep talking and fighting and arguing and laughing
> and hunting and lusting for more meteorites. Keep looking for the next
> treasure out there, keep spending your dollars and keep making trades, keep
> innovating new

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out

[Michael L Blood]

Hi Pierre-Marie & All,
Well said, BUT there are 3 MAJOR problems with your proposed
solution:

1) Art is good enough to sponsor this list, but HARDLY ANY LIVING HUMAN
would have the time to screen every post! This list is set up to function on
automatic.

2) While Art has outlined very clear and sane rules, he is very patient in
allowing room for a "self correcting" forum to allow people to straiten
out when they get out of line. Only a hand full of people have ever been
even suspended  and only a few have been banished. And believe me,
they ALL blatantly violated rules over a period of time to manage that.

3) Even when Art does eject a chronic offender, if they have no scruples
or respect for self and others they can simply re-register using an ongoing
string of email addresses and continue to "contaminate the water." (an
example of this took place in just the last hour or so).

So, the most effective method BY FAR of dealing with people who
attack and name call and use obscenities is to 1) ignore them under
any and all circumstances and/or 2) write them OFF LIST if you feel
you MUST RESPOND. Any response on list is like trying to put out a
fire with buckets of gasoline! (3- Praying for them won't hurt, either).
Of course, you can also assume the attitude expressed by ET, and
which, on SOME occasions I have done - enjoy the "dog fight" for what
it is - humans acting out their weaknesses sometimes it can be
viewed as truly comical. However, I find that difficult when things
get "nasty," - especially when such dynamics can lead to contributors
such as Bernd leaving the list, but even then there is a magical solution!
- DELETE 
Best wishes, Michael


on 3/31/04 9:59 PM, Pierre-Marie PELE at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello to the list.
> 
> I don't want to sign out myself but I'm very afraid that all these signs out
> (Mike and Mark) will lead the list to die itself if it continues this way.
> 
> 1. So we have to think out to the cause of this problem : in my opinion, it's
> due to the personal attacks and messages sent to the members. They were
> private messages that should have been sent directly to the members and not on
> the list.
> 
> 2. The solution : My solution would be that the moderator (Hello Art !) would
> read each incoming message and refuse all the messages whose content is
> offensive for a list member. This way, we'll only get messages whose object is
> about meteorites and not about meteorite guys.
> 
> Pierre-Marie PELE
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> 
> 
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RE: [meteorite-list] SALE: REALLY COOL METEORITE

[mark ford]

Hi,

 Having just bought and received one of Deans thin sections and it's
corresponding (quite fresh) 205g NWA meteorite, I thought I would report
my observations :

 I have to say the thin section is a good size and of a good standard,
it is flat and of proper thickness (Looks great under mag). If I had to
make one comment there is a very slight over hang of materiel over one
edge, but why should that matter?  

I am impressed with it and would buy again!

(I am not taking sides in this debate, but thought I would report on my
experience with the items).


Cheers,
Mark Ford




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[meteorite-list] AW: New Mars Meteorites (DAG 1037, NWA 2046, SAU 130)

[Norbert Classen]

Hi Ron, Eric, and List,

Another correction has to be made regarding SaU 130. According
to my information the TKW of this find is 278 grams. SaU 130 is
comprised of four individual stones, with the 116 grams stone
being the largest of the group. Just thought I should pass this
along.

Ah yes, and before I forget to mention it - I have a specimen
of DaG 1037 in my collection, and to me it's pretty obvious that
DaG 1037 is another pairing of the DaG olivine-phyric shergottite
grouplet. It should be regarded paired with DaG 476, 489, etc.,
and it's surely no "new" Martian meteorite.

All the best,
Norbert

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>
>  was recovered by Mike Farmer in January 2004: SAU 130.>
>
> Since Mike is no longer on the list he asked me to claify the
> above statement.  It was found in Jan 2004, but not by Mike
> Farmer, he purchased it from the finders.
>
> --
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> >
> > Below is the Meteoritical Bulletin announcing the discovery of
> > two new Mars meteorites: DAG 1037 and NWA 2046. NWA 2046 was
> > announced previously by Anthony Irving last January. Also, not
> > mentioned in the Bulletin is yet another Mars meteorite which
> > was recovered by Mike Farmer in January 2004:
> > SAU 130.  SAU 130 weighs 116 grams and was found in Oman.
> > SAU 130 is assumed paired with the other SAU Mars meteorites, which
> > now includes eight numbered meteorites. So, taking into account
> > pairings and prior annoucements, DAG 1037 is the only 'new'
> > Mars meteorite in this group, and bumps up the Mars meteorite
> > count to 31.
> >
> > http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/snc
> >
> > Ron Baalke
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out

[Jim Strope]

I think you have hit upon the prime reason for the deterioration of this
list with your first point.  It is also the major reason I never recommend
this list to new collectors.  As it has been said before by others, all of
our hobbies, what ever they may be are supposed to be a source of enjoyment
and escape from the trials of everyday life.  This list should be a source
of education and enjoyment not a stressful experience.

Your second point is the perfect solution, a moderated list in which emails
are not released until they are approved as not containing infractions of
the rules.  Now some would call this censorship but I would point to the
fact that there is currently a list of guidelines that everyone is supposed
to adhere to. http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing_list.shtml  The
problem is that they are currently ignored and not enforced.  A good
compromise to hands-on moderation of the list would be the strict
inforcement of the current rules.

Just my two cents.

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038

http://www.catchafallingstar.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Pierre-Marie PELE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:59 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out


> Hello to the list.
>
> I don't want to sign out myself but I'm very afraid that all these signs
out (Mike and Mark) will lead the list to die itself if it continues this
way.
>
> 1. So we have to think out to the cause of this problem : in my opinion,
it's due to the personal attacks and messages sent to the members. They were
private messages that should have been sent directly to the members and not
on the list.
>
> 2. The solution : My solution would be that the moderator (Hello Art !)
would read each incoming message and refuse all the messages whose content
is offensive for a list member. This way, we'll only get messages whose
object is about meteorites and not about meteorite guys.
>
> Pierre-Marie PELE
> www.meteor-center.com
> --
>
> Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Message from Mark Bostic

[Pekka Savolainen]

Hello, Rosie and the list,

that´s really great, who will be the next? The list have now lost
a great part of the information, and for what? Childish arque
from the place the sun doesn´t shine...if this kind of a phrase can
be accepted.
Think there are members on the list, who should get a life. But
it´s sad to notice, those who want really to do that, have to  
unsubscribe...

best,

pekka s

Rosemary Hackney wrote:

Hmmm.. Too early for April Fool's Day.

So.. I see the Idiots have won.  Now Michael Farmer and Mark Bostick are
both gone. I hope you are proud of your whining. I guess it brought about
whatever change  that you  wanted accomplished. When all else fails.. play
the Race card.. It is a sure winner...
So now.. we are deprived of Mike's expertise and Mark's ability to share
information  Because of petty bickering and jealousy.
Don't feel like it was a major accomplishment. I think Mark subscribes to my
philosophy"It is more productive to spend fleeting time on things that
are enjoyable than to argue with a sign post that has already made up its
closed mind". After all.. What have you accomplished by besting a FOOL?
Rosie

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Re: [meteorite-list] Dronino

[Pekka Savolainen]

The first pieces were terrible, I have one 100 grams piece in the
riker-box, and it´s pure shale and dust now, it´s one of the first
pieces came tothe market after the found.
The more new ones purached from Finmet are quite stable, don´t
know exact, what´s the method Ivan uses to satbilise them, but
they seem to stay in a good condition. I have had a polished end-
cut on my desk several months without any marks of rust.
The price of Dronino is quite low, so to me it seems  worth to
buy a piece, it´s a quite interresting one. But you have to check,
you are buying a stabilised piece, not one of the first catastrophes...;-
best,

pekka s



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Hi,

I've considered Dronino since it was first offered. The original seller pulled no punches and pointed out how perishable it is. Boiled it in oil and recommended storing in oil or grease. Has anyone tried the lye treatment on it yet with positive results? Speaking from the viewpoint of the average collector, is it worth buying or is it as objectionable as Nantan?

Thanks,
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[meteorite-list] Edwin Thompson (E.T.)

[Tim Heitz]

Most of the people on the list probably never have 
met Edwin Thompson (E.T.) this man has 
really never has 
been given the 
recognition due. He has collected and sold meteorites before Robert Haag and 
remembers
the day Robert 
Haag started collecting. He has been silent in the background making it all 
happen the whole
time. The man who sold Robert the Esquel was actually 
on his 
way to sell it to Edwin when Robert bought it.
How many of you 
knew that! I don't think I have met a finer 
individual as a person, I'm sure you will all agree.
 
He is truly the 
collectors, collector and has been from the very start.
 
 
Tim 
Heitz 

Re: [meteorite-list] Dronino

[edward moore]

Hi
I bought a egg size whole Dronino on Ebay a few months back. Meteorite was in nice condition. I have done nothing special to it, sits on the shelve with the others. So far no problems at all. I live less tha a  half mile from the ocean in Maine, the salt air causes me problems with others but so far not this one.
 
EdPekka Savolainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The first pieces were terrible, I have one 100 grams piece in theriker-box, and it´s pure shale and dust now, it´s one of the firstpieces came tothe market after the found.The more new ones purached from Finmet are quite stable, don´tknow exact, what´s the method Ivan uses to satbilise them, butthey seem to stay in a good condition. I have had a polished end-cut on my desk several months without any marks of rust.The price of Dronino is quite low, so to me it seems worth tobuy a piece, it´s a quite interresting one. But you have to check,you are buying a stabilised piece, not one of the first catastrophes...;-best,pekka s[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>Hi,>>I've considered Dronino since it was first offered. The original seller pulled no punches and pointed out how perishable it is.
 Boiled it in oil and recommended storing in oil or grease. Has anyone tried the lye treatment on it yet with positive results? Speaking from the viewpoint of the average collector, is it worth buying or is it as objectionable as Nantan?>>Thanks,>Bill Kieskowski >>__>Meteorite-list mailing list>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>> >-- Pekka SavolainenJokiharjuntie 4FIN-71330 RasalaFINLAND+ 358 400 818 912Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoinGroup Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listDo you Yahoo!?
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[meteorite-list] Re: A Note From E.T.

[Thomas Webb]

Good Post Edwin and welcome to the list!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorites?

[Tom aka James Knudson]

Thanks Gregory, I had no idea there were that many in Texas!  Are a lot of
these Nininger finds?   Knowing this, I would not want anyone to write this
list for me, I was thinking there was only a few. : )
Thanks, Tom
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorites?


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> If I has Meteorite's from A to Z, I would not ask, but I don't
> so I am, : )  Can someone give me a list of Texas meteorites?
> Meteorites A-Z lists some 286 of them, so by the time someone organized
them
> all into a list-reply, you might have had time to order and receive a
copy.
> ;-)
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] A note from E.T.

[almitt]

Hi Edwin and all,

Good to see you on the list here. I am sure we can learn a few things (if not a lot) 
from your past experiences. Like a number of people on the list, I have had the honor 
of dealing with you in the past and even with in the last few months.

While on the subject, another list member (if he is still on the list) Philip M. 
Bagnall is an old timer and certainly has much to offer. In the past he had a group 
called the, Society of Meteoriteophiles which was based in the United Kingdom. Before 
Meteorite Magazine, there was another magazine called Impact. I joined this society 
late in 1991 and was able to subscribe to the magazine, which at that time carry much 
needed information about meteorites and meteorite collecting. Philip Bagnall (for 
those not familiar) wrote the book " The Meteorite and Tektite Collector's Handbook" a 
practical guide to collecting at that time (before the internet was hot).

There are many other great people of the past who have done so much for collecting and 
as mentioned Blaine Reed is one of them who many of us are indebted to. Not to still 
the wind out of Edwin's sail here as I for one am very glad to see him aboard.

It might be fun to revisit the past and tell a little about what was going on and who 
and so forth. Guess it is why I like to write about Nininger here on the list. Well 
nuff said and look forward to your posts Edwin!!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorites?

[almitt]

Hi Tom and all,

While Nininger was certainly responsible for a number of Texas meteorites, Talking to
the past curator of the Moning collection, quite an impressive number of Texas
meteorites were found by Oscar Moning. He was the Nininger of Texas Meteorites so to
speak.

A post on the list about Travis County (and a reference to the archives of Meteorite
Magazine!) listed one of these most impressive finds. One that if it had not been for
Mr. Moning would probably still be lost and oxidizing.

perhaps someone that has access to the disk from the Catalog of Meteorites might be
able to zip you off a list of specimens from Texas without a great amount of trouble.

--AL


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[meteorite-list] Mars and meteorite debris and stromatolite

[David Freeman]

Dear List;
I seem to have captured a nice Martian-like picture of red dirt and 
stromatolite debris (like we could dream they may find on Mars) if 
anyone wanted a picture...or the first dozen of you any way, send me an 
email.  Especially if you are affiliated with NASA or JPL.
Dave Freeman
Wyoming, the center of the stromatolite world

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[meteorite-list] ZAKLODZIE [E-ungr] pre christmass SALE

[www.Meteoryt.net]

Hello All
I want to offer this time Zaklodzie, first enstatite achondrite from Poland.
Only tooday I offer this excelent rare meteorite in price 10$/g for all list members.
For more information please open my page at www.polandmet.com 

thank all


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[meteorite-list] Fireball Over Australia

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,9158323%255E3102,00.html

Great ball of fire! No April Fool's joke
Louise Crossen and Peter Morley
The Courier-Mail (Australia)
April 2, 2004

AUTHORITIES are still in the dark about a mysterious fireball 
that appeared over Winton on Wednesday night - although some 
sceptics are claiming the spectacular light show was an early 
April Fool's Day joke.

Winton Mayor Bruce Collins said a few tall tales were already 
doing the rounds.

"Everyone has got a story about where they were when it happened, 
and there have been people who thought the whole thing was just 
an April Fool's Day joke," Cr Collins said.

"But I saw the tail end of it myself, and it was real all right."

Resident Neal Elliot said he had been walking when "a ball of 
fire fell out of the sky" about 7pm.

"A young girl came running out from one of the houses, her face 
all white and her eyes popping out of her head. Everyone came 
spilling on to the street, just looking up at the sky.

"I knew it was something from outer space - it was just unreal."

Winton police sergeant Wayne Lynn said an explosion rocked the 
town minutes after the light display.

"We thought the world was coming to an end," Sgt Lynn said.

Winton sheep grazier P.J. Elliott said his mouth was so wide 
that "if a plain turkey flew into it the bird would go straight 
down without touching the sides".

"Whatever it was, it scared the living daylights out of me, " 
Mr Elliott, 30, said.

"I was so shaken I thought about tying dogs to my bedroom door 
that night.

"But they might not have been much help. When I saw the fireball 
I was about 11/2km from home and I could hear those mutts 
howling in a most peculiar way."

There was speculation the mysterious light display was caused by 
a piece of space junk, but University of Queensland astrophysics 
lecturer Dr Michael Drinkwater said it was more likely to have 
been a fast-moving meteor.

"This is what we call a fireball - basically a small meteor 
moving at thousands of kilometres an hour," he said.

"The bright head, red glow and vapor trail are typical of a 
rocky meteor."

He said the explosion heard by locals was likely to be a sonic 
boom - a series of shockwaves caused by the enormous speed of 
the meteor.

"The noise doesn't indicate it hit anything - it probably burnt 
up in the atmosphere," Dr Drinkwater said. 

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[meteorite-list] Double Whammy Link To Dinosaur Extinctions

[Ron Baalke]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3582767.stm

Double whammy link to extinctions
By Paul Rincon 
BBC News 
April 1, 2004

The chances that asteroid impacts and huge bouts of volcanism coincide
randomly to cause mass extinctions may be greater than previously
imagined. 

UK researchers conducted statistical tests to determine the probability 
of such catastrophic events happening at the same time in Earth history. 

They found massive releases of lava and space collisions should have 
overlapped three times in the last 300 million years. 

Details will be published in a future issue of the geological journal 
Lithos. 

The work has been done by Dr Rosalind White and Professor Andy Saunders 
of the University of Leicester. 

The probabilities they calculated assumed there was no causal link
between the two phenomena - that impacts from space did not set off the
volcanism. 

Smoking guns 

Flood basalts, as the term suggests, are formed by massive outpourings 
of lava from beneath the Earth. Hundreds of thousands of cubic km of 
material can be spewed on to the surface in short geological 
timescales. 

These eruptions have, like space impacts, been blamed for some of 
Earth's mass extinctions due to the environmental changes they may 
trigger. 

The Leicester authors contend that because impacts and flood basalts 
occur more frequently than mass extinctions, it is unlikely the two 
phenomena bring about mass extinctions on their own. 

However, mass extinctions may be triggered when the two events occur 
together, they argue. 

There is evidence of both phenomena happening at the same time 65 
million years ago, when the dinosaurs disappeared from the fossil 
record. The impact that created the 180km-wide impact crater at 
Chicxulub in Mexico is generally thought to have played a major
part in this extinction. 

But some scientists think the flood basalts known as the Deccan 
Traps in India are an alternative "smoking gun". The gases released 
in this volcanic event would have resulted in major climate changes. 

Impact trigger 

Firstly, the Leicester researchers determined the probability that 
a flood basalt would coincide with a Chicxulub-sized crater. 

They found the probability of this happening at least once over a 
period of 300 million years was 57%. 

Once the researchers reduced the size of the impact slightly, the 
probabilities increased sharply. 

For craters exceeding 100km, the probability of at least three 
co-occurrences between flood basalts and impacts was 46%. For 
craters exceeding 60km, the probability of three or more was 97%. 

The researchers point out that impacts and flood basalt volcanism 
have been implicated in three major mass extinctions in the past. 

Some researchers, such as Professor David Price, of University 
College London, argue that asteroid impacts can themselves bring 
on catastrophic volcanism. 

Professor Price says there is geochemical evidence to suggest an 
impactor started the Siberian trap flood basalts, which are 
associated with the end-Permian mass extinction 251 million years 
ago. 

"I wouldn't be very convinced by the robustness of any statistical 
analysis when you're dealing with just half a dozen events in the 
last billion years," Professor Price told BBC News Online. 

'Kill mechanism' 

He also points to evidence uncovered by Professor Mike Coffin, of 
the University of Texas at Austin, which shows the Ontong Java 
Plateau - a submarine flood basalt in the western Pacific Ocean 
thought to be the world's largest - was initiated by the impact 
of a 20km object from space. 

The Leicester researchers say the idea of impacts causing massive 
volcanism is interesting, but no causal link has been proven. 

"In the case of the Ontong Java Plateau, we would expect such a 
large impact to have left lots of signs in the geological record, 
but none have been found," Dr White said. 

Professor Tony Hallam, of the University of Birmingham, commented: 
"The idea that [flood basalts and impacts] could be purely 
coincidental is rather a negative one - a null hypothesis - but it 
strikes me as quite reasonable." 

Dr White and Professor Saunders propose in their paper that the 
"kill mechanisms" associated with flood basalts or impacts by 
themselves are not sufficiently powerful to cause the worldwide 
collapse of ecosystems - a point disputed by many other scientists. 


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[meteorite-list] Ad: Selling Tsarev

[Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems]

Title: Nachricht



Hi, for those 
interested: I am selling off a nice 6.2g slice of Tsarev to the highest bidder 
(bid what you want to pay including s&h).
 
Nothing too 
spectacular, but before I waste it on Austrian ebay, I thought I'll try it 
here.
 
If this is 
inappropriate for the list, please let me know and I will not repeat my 
mistake.
 
Bernhard

[meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[Fredmeteorhall]

Hello Folks,
    Fred Hall here, meteorite collector, dealer and cartoonist. I've taken a year off from drawing meteorite related cartoons because of the threat of a law suit towards the Meteorite Exchange (not for any cartoons, however.) I've been thinking of starting up again. I drew meteorite cartoons for the now defunct mag Voyage! for two years and then for Meteorite Exchange for one year. 
    One of my favorite sections of the Rocky Mountain News is the comics. Sometimes I don't enjoy certain comics, but I realize that I have my own sense of humor, it is not all encompassing. 
    Mark's cartoonist is a famous artist (in the cartoon world) and he knows that not every toon he draws is going to be a hit, some may even upset a small percentage of folks. SO WHAT! No artist can please everyone, nor should they ever try! Bill K., if you are still on this list, Get A Life! Get Real, OR Get Lost! 
Fred Hall / Meteorhall
    

RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out

[Charles Viau]

This is just my 2 cents, but the content of this list is so bothersome
lately that I feel that it is the precursor of its demise.  Let's face
it; any entity that tries to govern itself without enforced regulations
just does not work any more in this electronic society. The net has
changed forever. I certainly do not have the credentials like some who
post to this list, nor have I been here for the time that they have,
however I do have a suggestion.

This is the premier meteorite board on the net. Perhaps, it should now
be treated with the respect it deserves. Thousands of professionals and
amateurs alike visit and post to it. There are people here from NASA,
all the great colleges and universities, scientists, most major
dealers... and of course the casual person just looking for information.
I agree that a moderator that donates their time and resources cannot
justify active moderations. Without Art, this list would not exist, so
how about a plan for the future:

Art moves the list to a web platform. There are some great, secure web
based message board apps available out there. The board charges dues to
people who post to the list. They are assigned individual passwords.
Lets say, an unqualified sum of $5.00 per year.

The list maintains free read-only access for everyone.

The dues pay for the web related expenses and the services of a
full-time moderator that Art can hire who filters the content to
meteorites only. Any personal attacks, offensive post or spam, you lose
your password, forfeit your dues and are never allowed to post again.
Period.  Other content deemed inappropriate, moderator gives warnings
and if it continues, ditto.

I think that if this is done, the list will flourish and some of the
people that have left (and missed) will come back.

Again, just a suggestion, and I do not know how Art feels about that, so
perhaps he could respond with his opinion.

Regards,

CharlyV

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael
L Blood
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out

Hi Pierre-Marie & All,
Well said, BUT there are 3 MAJOR problems with your proposed
solution:

1) Art is good enough to sponsor this list, but HARDLY ANY LIVING HUMAN
would have the time to screen every post! This list is set up to
function on
automatic.

2) While Art has outlined very clear and sane rules, he is very patient
in
allowing room for a "self correcting" forum to allow people to straiten
out when they get out of line. Only a hand full of people have ever been
even suspended  and only a few have been banished. And believe me,
they ALL blatantly violated rules over a period of time to manage that.

3) Even when Art does eject a chronic offender, if they have no scruples
or respect for self and others they can simply re-register using an
ongoing
string of email addresses and continue to "contaminate the water." (an
example of this took place in just the last hour or so).

So, the most effective method BY FAR of dealing with people who
attack and name call and use obscenities is to 1) ignore them under
any and all circumstances and/or 2) write them OFF LIST if you feel
you MUST RESPOND. Any response on list is like trying to put out a
fire with buckets of gasoline! (3- Praying for them won't hurt, either).
Of course, you can also assume the attitude expressed by ET, and
which, on SOME occasions I have done - enjoy the "dog fight" for what
it is - humans acting out their weaknesses sometimes it can be
viewed as truly comical. However, I find that difficult when things
get "nasty," - especially when such dynamics can lead to contributors
such as Bernd leaving the list, but even then there is a magical
solution!
- DELETE 
Best wishes, Michael


on 3/31/04 9:59 PM, Pierre-Marie PELE at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello to the list.
> 
> I don't want to sign out myself but I'm very afraid that all these
signs out
> (Mike and Mark) will lead the list to die itself if it continues this
way.
> 
> 1. So we have to think out to the cause of this problem : in my
opinion, it's
> due to the personal attacks and messages sent to the members. They
were
> private messages that should have been sent directly to the members
and not on
> the list.
> 
> 2. The solution : My solution would be that the moderator (Hello Art
!) would
> read each incoming message and refuse all the messages whose content
is
> offensive for a list member. This way, we'll only get messages whose
object is
> about meteorites and not about meteorite guys.
> 
> Pierre-Marie PELE
> www.meteor-center.com
> --
> 
> Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[David Freeman]

Dear List;
I agree with Fred, Mark is a great guy and would  intentionally hurt no 
one.  I think that Mr. Bill has been drinking too much of his own  
sock-rince-water!  Oh, and who was that that played the race card? I 
think that was on about the same level of stupidity. Shame when 
meteorites come around to the dregs of society, and those of very low 
mental intellect.  No one wins then. It will be a sad and dry world when 
all cartoonists and comedians are outlawed by stupid people that don't 
ever get a joke. Sad indeed!
Who will these pathetic losers pick on next, Oprah?  I heard that Oprah 
likes meteorites too!
Good call Fred!
Dave Freeman

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Folks,
Fred Hall here, meteorite collector, dealer and cartoonist. I've 
taken a year off from drawing meteorite related cartoons because of 
the threat of a law suit towards the Meteorite Exchange (not for any 
cartoons, however.) I've been thinking of starting up again. I drew 
meteorite cartoons for the now defunct mag Voyage! for two years and 
then for Meteorite Exchange for one year.
One of my favorite sections of the Rocky Mountain News is the 
comics. Sometimes I don't enjoy certain comics, but I realize that I 
have my own sense of humor, it is not all encompassing.
Mark's cartoonist is a famous artist (in the cartoon world) and he 
knows that not every toon he draws is going to be a hit, some may even 
upset a small percentage of folks. SO WHAT! No artist can please 
everyone, nor should they ever try! Bill K., if you are still on this 
list, Get A Life! Get Real, OR Get Lost!
Fred Hall / Meteorhall





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[meteorite-list] Re: AW: New Mars Meteorites (DAG 1037, NWA 2046, SAU 130)

[Ron Baalke]

> 
> Hi Ron, Eric, and List,
> 
> Another correction has to be made regarding SaU 130. According
> to my information the TKW of this find is 278 grams. SaU 130 is
> comprised of four individual stones, with the 116 grams stone
> being the largest of the group. Just thought I should pass this
> along.
> 
> Ah yes, and before I forget to mention it - I have a specimen
> of DaG 1037 in my collection, and to me it's pretty obvious that
> DaG 1037 is another pairing of the DaG olivine-phyric shergottite
> grouplet. It should be regarded paired with DaG 476, 489, etc.,
> and it's surely no "new" Martian meteorite.
> 

Thanks for the update. I've updated the weight info for SAU 130. 
Also, Tony Irving also understands that DAG 1037 is paired with the
other DAGs. The Mars meteorite count remains at 30.

Ron Baalke

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[meteorite-list] Neuschwanstein main mass found

[Ing. Christian ANGER]

Hi all,

a mediate rusted specimen with a weight of 5,460.10 grams was found in March
2003
after snow melting period on Austrian territory in the alpine mountains.

Scientists are now discussing the name of the meteorite.
Like the difference between "plutinos" and planets here it is the same.
Difference between "Austrian" or "German" meteorite. This is reasonable as
the recently
found (present) main mass of 5460 grams was found on Austrian territory.

You will read more on this topic in the next few days.

Stay tuned !

best wishes from Austria,

Christian



IMCA #2673
www.austromet.com
Ing. Christian ANGER
Korngasse 6
2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg
AUSTRIA

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Subject: [meteorite-list] ZAKLODZIE [E-ungr] pre christmass SALE


Hello All
I want to offer this time Zaklodzie, first enstatite achondrite from Poland.
Only tooday I offer this excelent rare meteorite in price 10$/g for all list
members.
For more information please open my page at www.polandmet.com

thank all


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[meteorite-list] Neuschwanstein meteorite

[bernd . pauli]

> Scientists are now discussing the name of the meteorite.

Twinkle, twinkle, little star, are you from Germany or from Austria?

Fortunately, Christian himself, called it "Neuschwanstein" in his
subject line, because this is the name that will stick - no matter
whether this E-chondrite fell on this side or on that side of the
borderline. So let's call it a joint "Austro-German" meteorite fall :-)

Best wishes,

Bernd

.. in love with his fully crusted, regmaglypted, 194-gram Gao
individual that exhibits delicate flow marks and flat surfaces nearly
at right angles to each other. I purchased it from Michael Cottingham
and I am very glad I did ! Now, wait a minute, is it a Gao or a Guenie ;-)

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[meteorite-list] Matteo has an unlikely friend????

[MarkF]

Looks like this guy is now using meteorite 
dealer/collector names in his ebay listings
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2235977055
 
wonder if interpol would deal with him if ebay 
won't
just too funny
 

[meteorite-list] Sale: Last of the Franconias!

[Jack Schrader]

Hello again list members!    I now 
have 9300 grams left  of Franconia meteorites ( 9 stones) that I wish 
to sell quickly.   I have weeded out my lesser quality more 
inexpensive stones and what I have left are only the higher quality 
pieces.   I have decided to sell all stones remaining as one 
lot.   If you are interested, please make what you feel is a 
reasonable offer for this entire lot of stones, but first email 
me privately and I will send you a list of the 9 stones and photos.  
  I will sell to the first reasonable offer I get.  You may be 
surprised!   My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED].  

 
Also, I hope everyone  got to read the recent 
post by Edwin Thompson, E.T.  I have always had a great deal of respect for 
this man and feel that he is certainly a very valuable asset to the entire 
meteorite community.  After you read his post, I am certain you will 
agree.  We definitely need more people with this man's attitude and outlook 
on the hobby in general. Thanks E.T.!,  Jack 
Schrader

[meteorite-list] 1 April - Zaklodzie sale

[www.Meteoryt.net]

OK, in Poland is now 1:00 AM 02 april.
Many of You was interested to buy pieces of Zaklodzie in promotion price but
unfortunatelly this was a joke. Yes, 1 april joke. I hope noone will be serious angry 
:-)
I waiting for any joke on met-list but nothing happend, so I decide to make one myself.
But for sure my price for Zaklodzie are lowest in internet, so You can't make better 
deal
somewhere else.

===
And now true advertise.
On sunday (tomorrow) I will offer on my page new meteorites. Everything cut in 1-2mm 
thin
full slices and with verry attractive prices.
NWA1839 [L7] first and only one that meteorite type
NWA 801 [CR2]
Ouzina [R4]
Pultusk [H5] Peas
New L3 and LL3.4 meteorite
===

So I again want to say sorry to all for that joke :)

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out

[Michael L Blood]

Dear Charles and all,
I would like to respectfully disagree - strongly.
The list has worked just fine FOR YEARS - yes, we have had to put up
with some real nonsense, BUT THERE IS A DELETE BUTTON.
This reminds me of politicians who always want to make amendments
to the constitution. It doesn't matter whether I agree or disagree with the
position, amending the constitution is almost always a very bad idea at
best. Leave the damned thing alone - it is the basis of the greatest country
known throughout history - and no, this country is NOT perfect - just as
this list is not perfect. But let's don't go dorkin' with it!
Besides, it is Art's baby and no one but Art can do ANYTHING with
it. To all our benefit,  Art has ALWAYS demonstrated a non-reactionary
position toward the list. (THANK YOU, Art!)
Best wishes to all, Michael

on 4/1/04 12:09 PM, Charles Viau at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> This is just my 2 cents, but the content of this list is so bothersome
> lately that I feel that it is the precursor of its demise.  Let's face
> it; any entity that tries to govern itself without enforced regulations
> just does not work any more in this electronic society. The net has
> changed forever. I certainly do not have the credentials like some who
> post to this list, nor have I been here for the time that they have,
> however I do have a suggestion.
> 
> This is the premier meteorite board on the net. Perhaps, it should now
> be treated with the respect it deserves. Thousands of professionals and
> amateurs alike visit and post to it. There are people here from NASA,
> all the great colleges and universities, scientists, most major
> dealers... and of course the casual person just looking for information.
> I agree that a moderator that donates their time and resources cannot
> justify active moderations. Without Art, this list would not exist, so
> how about a plan for the future:
> 
> Art moves the list to a web platform. There are some great, secure web
> based message board apps available out there. The board charges dues to
> people who post to the list. They are assigned individual passwords.
> Lets say, an unqualified sum of $5.00 per year.
> 
> The list maintains free read-only access for everyone.
> 
> The dues pay for the web related expenses and the services of a
> full-time moderator that Art can hire who filters the content to
> meteorites only. Any personal attacks, offensive post or spam, you lose
> your password, forfeit your dues and are never allowed to post again.
> Period.  Other content deemed inappropriate, moderator gives warnings
> and if it continues, ditto.
> 
> I think that if this is done, the list will flourish and some of the
> people that have left (and missed) will come back.
> 
> Again, just a suggestion, and I do not know how Art feels about that, so
> perhaps he could respond with his opinion.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> CharlyV
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael
> L Blood
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:45 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out
> 
> Hi Pierre-Marie & All,
>   Well said, BUT there are 3 MAJOR problems with your proposed
> solution:
> 
> 1) Art is good enough to sponsor this list, but HARDLY ANY LIVING HUMAN
> would have the time to screen every post! This list is set up to
> function on
> automatic.
> 
> 2) While Art has outlined very clear and sane rules, he is very patient
> in
> allowing room for a "self correcting" forum to allow people to straiten
> out when they get out of line. Only a hand full of people have ever been
> even suspended  and only a few have been banished. And believe me,
> they ALL blatantly violated rules over a period of time to manage that.
> 
> 3) Even when Art does eject a chronic offender, if they have no scruples
> or respect for self and others they can simply re-register using an
> ongoing
> string of email addresses and continue to "contaminate the water." (an
> example of this took place in just the last hour or so).
> 
>   So, the most effective method BY FAR of dealing with people who
> attack and name call and use obscenities is to 1) ignore them under
> any and all circumstances and/or 2) write them OFF LIST if you feel
> you MUST RESPOND. Any response on list is like trying to put out a
> fire with buckets of gasoline! (3- Praying for them won't hurt, either).
>   Of course, you can also assume the attitude expressed by ET, and
> which, on SOME occasions I have done - enjoy the "dog fight" for what
> it is - humans acting out their weaknesses sometimes it can be
> viewed as truly comical. However, I find that difficult when things
> get "nasty," - especially when such dynamics can lead to contributors
> such as Bernd leaving the list, but even then there is a magical
> solution!
> - DELETE 
>   Best wishes, Michael
>   
> 
> on 3/31/04 

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out

[Michael L Blood]

Dear Charles and all,
I would like to respectfully disagree - strongly.
The list has worked just fine FOR YEARS - yes, we have had to put up
with some real nonsense, BUT THERE IS A DELETE BUTTON.
This reminds me of politicians who always want to make amendments
to the constitution. It doesn't matter whether I agree or disagree with the
position, amending the constitution is almost always a very bad idea at
best. Leave the damned thing alone - it is the basis of the greatest country
known throughout history - and no, this country is NOT perfect - just as
this list is not perfect. But let's don't go dorkin' with it!
Besides, it is Art's baby and no one but Art can do ANYTHING with
it. To all our benefit,  Art has ALWAYS demonstrated a non-reactionary
position toward the list. (THANK YOU, Art!)
Best wishes to all, Michael

on 4/1/04 12:09 PM, Charles Viau at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> This is just my 2 cents, but the content of this list is so bothersome
> lately that I feel that it is the precursor of its demise.  Let's face
> it; any entity that tries to govern itself without enforced regulations
> just does not work any more in this electronic society. The net has
> changed forever. I certainly do not have the credentials like some who
> post to this list, nor have I been here for the time that they have,
> however I do have a suggestion.
> 
> This is the premier meteorite board on the net. Perhaps, it should now
> be treated with the respect it deserves. Thousands of professionals and
> amateurs alike visit and post to it. There are people here from NASA,
> all the great colleges and universities, scientists, most major
> dealers... and of course the casual person just looking for information.
> I agree that a moderator that donates their time and resources cannot
> justify active moderations. Without Art, this list would not exist, so
> how about a plan for the future:
> 
> Art moves the list to a web platform. There are some great, secure web
> based message board apps available out there. The board charges dues to
> people who post to the list. They are assigned individual passwords.
> Lets say, an unqualified sum of $5.00 per year.
> 
> The list maintains free read-only access for everyone.
> 
> The dues pay for the web related expenses and the services of a
> full-time moderator that Art can hire who filters the content to
> meteorites only. Any personal attacks, offensive post or spam, you lose
> your password, forfeit your dues and are never allowed to post again.
> Period.  Other content deemed inappropriate, moderator gives warnings
> and if it continues, ditto.
> 
> I think that if this is done, the list will flourish and some of the
> people that have left (and missed) will come back.
> 
> Again, just a suggestion, and I do not know how Art feels about that, so
> perhaps he could respond with his opinion.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> CharlyV
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael
> L Blood
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:45 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out
> 
> Hi Pierre-Marie & All,
>   Well said, BUT there are 3 MAJOR problems with your proposed
> solution:
> 
> 1) Art is good enough to sponsor this list, but HARDLY ANY LIVING HUMAN
> would have the time to screen every post! This list is set up to
> function on
> automatic.
> 
> 2) While Art has outlined very clear and sane rules, he is very patient
> in
> allowing room for a "self correcting" forum to allow people to straiten
> out when they get out of line. Only a hand full of people have ever been
> even suspended  and only a few have been banished. And believe me,
> they ALL blatantly violated rules over a period of time to manage that.
> 
> 3) Even when Art does eject a chronic offender, if they have no scruples
> or respect for self and others they can simply re-register using an
> ongoing
> string of email addresses and continue to "contaminate the water." (an
> example of this took place in just the last hour or so).
> 
>   So, the most effective method BY FAR of dealing with people who
> attack and name call and use obscenities is to 1) ignore them under
> any and all circumstances and/or 2) write them OFF LIST if you feel
> you MUST RESPOND. Any response on list is like trying to put out a
> fire with buckets of gasoline! (3- Praying for them won't hurt, either).
>   Of course, you can also assume the attitude expressed by ET, and
> which, on SOME occasions I have done - enjoy the "dog fight" for what
> it is - humans acting out their weaknesses sometimes it can be
> viewed as truly comical. However, I find that difficult when things
> get "nasty," - especially when such dynamics can lead to contributors
> such as Bernd leaving the list, but even then there is a magical
> solution!
> - DELETE 
>   Best wishes, Michael
>   
> 
> on 3/31/04 

Re: [meteorite-list] Matteo has an unlikely friend????

[David Freeman]

Dear Mark;
As you know, I am an owner of a "Galaxie Meteorite". I want to think I 
was the first to leave a less than positive feed back for this 
cra...errmerchandise made of silicone, rubber, latex, and sparkles. 
I see that there have been 45 visits and no one bid the opening 
penny...mmm some funky thing going on there? The Interpol and you!
Yes, M  + Galaxie = strange but not strange!!!
Next: FunkyMonkey Meteorite!
About time for me to auction off another Meteorwrong display kit, and 
offer a small 1 gram piece of my "Galaxie" to the world.
Entertaining!
Very Best,
Dave F.

MarkF wrote:

Looks like this guy is now using meteorite dealer/collector names in 
his ebay listings

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2235977055 
 

 

wonder if interpol would deal with him if ebay won't

just too funny

 



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[meteorite-list] Spirit Finds Multi-Layer Hints of Past Water at Mars' Gusev Site

[Ron Baalke]

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Donald Savage (202) 358-1547
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NEWS RELEASE: 2004-093April 1, 2004

Spirit Finds Multi-Layer Hints of Past Water at Mars' Gusev Site

Clues from a wind-scalloped volcanic rock on Mars investigated by
NASA's Spirit rover suggest repeated possible exposures to water
inside Gusev Crater, scientists said Thursday.

Gusev is halfway around the planet from the Meridiani region where
Spirit's twin, Opportunity, recently found evidence that water used to
flow across the surface.

"This is not water that sloshed around on the surface like what
appears to have happened at Meridiani. We're talking about small
amounts of water, perhaps underground," said Dr. Hap McSween, a rover
science team member from the University of Tennessee, Knoxville.

"The evidence is in the form of multiple coatings on the rock, as well
as fractures that are filled with alteration material and perhaps
little patches of alteration material," McSween said during a press
conference at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

The rock, called "Mazatzal" after mountains in Arizona, lies partially
buried near the rim of the crater informally named "Bonneville" inside
the much larger Gusev Crater.  Its light-toned appearance grabbed
scientists' attention.  After Spirit's rock abrasion tool brushed two
patches on the surface with wire bristles, a gray, darker layer could
be seen under the tan topcoat. The rock abrasion tool ground into the
surface with diamond cutting teeth on March 26. Then, after an
examination of the newly exposed material, it ground deeper into the
rock two days later. A lighter-gray interior lies under the darker
layer, and a bright stripe cuts across both.

Dr. Jeff Johnson, a science team member from the U.S. Geological
Survey's Astrogeology Team, Flagstaff, Ariz., said the stripe "seems
to be a fracture that water has flowed through, potentially with
minerals precipitating from that fluid and lining the walls of the
crack."

He and other scientists stressed that the interpretations are
preliminary.  "The team is, as always, trying to find time to digest
these observations while also preparing for the next day's
operations," Johnson said.

Spirit's alpha particle X-ray spectrometer checked what chemical
elements were close to the surface of untreated, brushed, once-drilled
and twice-drilled patches.  "Miracles, miracles, miracles. We have a
lot of work to do," the instrument's lead scientist, Dr. Rudi Rieder
of the Max Planck Institute, Mainz, Germany, exclaimed about the
results.  For example, the ratio of bromine to chlorine seen inside
the rock is unusually high and possibly a clue to alteration by water.

The final experiment on Mazatzal was to scrub the surface with the
rock abrasion tool in a pattern of five circles arranged in a ring,
with a sixth circle in the center.  Besides creating a rock-art daisy,
this task by the engineers of New York-based Honeybee Robotics, as
well as JPL, produced a brushed patch big enough to fill the field of
view of Spirit's miniature thermal emission spectrometer, said Dr.
Steve Ruff of Arizona State University, Tempe.  The tan outer surface
appears to have a strikingly different mineral composition than the
dark gray coating exposed by the brushing, but more time is needed to
complete the analysis, he said.

McSween proposed that the light outer coat, dark inner coat and bright
veins could have resulted from three different periods of the rock
being buried, altered by fluids and unburied.

While scientists await transmission of additional data Spirit has
collected about Mazatzal, the rover will be making its way toward the
"Columbia Hills" about 2.3 kilometers (1.3 miles) away.  Spirit left
the rock and drove 36.5 meters (120 feet) early Thursday.

Opportunity set a one-day driving record on Mars on March 27 by
covering 48.9 meters (160 feet) toward a rock called "Bounce Rock"
because airbag bounce marks show that the spacecraft hit it on landing
day two months ago. "We're looking to break that record again very
soon with longer and longer drives," said JPL's Chris Lewicki, flight
director.

Before moving on across the plains of Meridiani, though, Opportunity
will complete an investigation it has begun of Bounce Rock.  The rock
is unlike any seen on Mars before, said Dr. Jim Bell, lead scientist
for the rovers' panoramic cameras. "There are some shiny surfaces on
this rock," he said, describing them as "almost mirrorlike."

The two rovers' 18 cameras have now taken more than 20,000 images. 
JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena,
manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for NASA's Office of Space
Science, Washing

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GAYDA.Hey alan, I need your email.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[joseph_town]

Sure thing Fred. Glad to meet you too.

Bill Kieskowski




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Hello Folks,
    Fred Hall here, meteorite collector, dealer and cartoonist. I've taken a year off from drawing meteorite related cartoons because of the threat of a law suit towards the Meteorite Exchange (not for any cartoons, however.) I've been thinking of starting up again. I drew meteorite cartoons for the now defunct mag Voyage! for two years and then for Meteorite Exchange for one year. 
    One of my favorite sections of the Rocky Mountain News is the comics. Sometimes I don't enjoy certain comics, but I realize that I have my own sense of humor, it is not all encompassing. 
    Mark's cartoonist is a famous artist (in the cartoon world) and he knows that not every toon he draws is going to be a hit, some may even upset a small percentage of folks. SO WHAT! No artist can please everyone, nor should they ever try! Bill K., if you are still on this list, Get A Life! Get Real, OR Get Lost! 
Fred Hall / Meteorhall
    
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[joseph_town]

Comments like this are an obvious attempt to keep it all rollling. I shut up, why 
don't you?

Bill Kieskowski





> Dear List;
> I agree with Fred, Mark is a great guy and would  intentionally hurt no 
> one.  I think that Mr. Bill has been drinking too much of his own  
> sock-rince-water!  Oh, and who was that that played the race card? I 
> think that was on about the same level of stupidity. Shame when 
> meteorites come around to the dregs of society, and those of very low 
> mental intellect.  No one wins then. It will be a sad and dry world when 
> all cartoonists and comedians are outlawed by stupid people that don't 
> ever get a joke. Sad indeed!
> Who will these pathetic losers pick on next, Oprah?  I heard that Oprah 
> likes meteorites too!
> Good call Fred!
> Dave Freeman
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Hello Folks,
> > Fred Hall here, meteorite collector, dealer and cartoonist. I've 
> > taken a year off from drawing meteorite related cartoons because of 
> > the threat of a law suit towards the Meteorite Exchange (not for any 
> > cartoons, however.) I've been thinking of starting up again. I drew 
> > meteorite cartoons for the now defunct mag Voyage! for two years and 
> > then for Meteorite Exchange for one year.
> > One of my favorite sections of the Rocky Mountain News is the 
> > comics. Sometimes I don't enjoy certain comics, but I realize that I 
> > have my own sense of humor, it is not all encompassing.
> > Mark's cartoonist is a famous artist (in the cartoon world) and he 
> > knows that not every toon he draws is going to be a hit, some may even 
> > upset a small percentage of folks. SO WHAT! No artist can please 
> > everyone, nor should they ever try! Bill K., if you are still on this 
> > list, Get A Life! Get Real, OR Get Lost!
> > Fred Hall / Meteorhall
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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[joseph_town]

If you're so proud of yourself you should post the last private email you sent me, 
David. You have my permission.

Bill Kieskowski



> One more, if you could see the two dozen emails I have received 
> congratulating me on my post in support of Fred and Mark, you would 
> leave the list.  You have no friends here.
> DF
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Comments like this are an obvious attempt to keep it all rollling. I shut up, 
> why don't you?
> >
> >Bill Kieskowski
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Dear List;
> >>I agree with Fred, Mark is a great guy and would  intentionally hurt no 
> >>one.  I think that Mr. Bill has been drinking too much of his own  
> >>sock-rince-water!  Oh, and who was that that played the race card? I 
> >>think that was on about the same level of stupidity. Shame when 
> >>meteorites come around to the dregs of society, and those of very low 
> >>mental intellect.  No one wins then. It will be a sad and dry world when 
> >>all cartoonists and comedians are outlawed by stupid people that don't 
> >>ever get a joke. Sad indeed!
> >>Who will these pathetic losers pick on next, Oprah?  I heard that Oprah 
> >>likes meteorites too!
> >>Good call Fred!
> >>Dave Freeman
> >>
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hello Folks,
> >>>Fred Hall here, meteorite collector, dealer and cartoonist. I've 
> >>>taken a year off from drawing meteorite related cartoons because of 
> >>>the threat of a law suit towards the Meteorite Exchange (not for any 
> >>>cartoons, however.) I've been thinking of starting up again. I drew 
> >>>meteorite cartoons for the now defunct mag Voyage! for two years and 
> >>>then for Meteorite Exchange for one year.
> >>>One of my favorite sections of the Rocky Mountain News is the 
> >>>comics. Sometimes I don't enjoy certain comics, but I realize that I 
> >>>have my own sense of humor, it is not all encompassing.
> >>>Mark's cartoonist is a famous artist (in the cartoon world) and he 
> >>>knows that not every toon he draws is going to be a hit, some may even 
> >>>upset a small percentage of folks. SO WHAT! No artist can please 
> >>>everyone, nor should they ever try! Bill K., if you are still on this 
> >>>list, Get A Life! Get Real, OR Get Lost!
> >>>Fred Hall / Meteorhall
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[joseph_town]

I'd rather not but you certainly will do as you please.



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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
you should post the last private email you sent me, David
Then it wouldn't be private, now would it?
 
Tomorrow let's go over the days of the week.
 
GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403USA(310) 913-2598
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[Sharkkb8]

 Highly, HIGHLY uncool to post a private email.  It's really the cardinal sin of the list.  
 
It does tend to put a listee's morals and ethics on full public display though.  I'd like an apology, please.
 
 
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'd rather not but you certainly will do as you please.From:    [EMAIL PROTECTED]



  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
you should post the last private email you sent me, David
Then it wouldn't be private, now would it?
 
Tomorrow let's go over the days of the week.

 
GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403USA(310) 913-2598

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[joseph_town]

List,

Sorry guys but you can't incite me to the level of vulgarity you have been sending me, 
low level moron that I am.

Bill Kieskowski





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Make that 2 dozen and one!

Yes, in support of Fred, Mark and the nice guys and gals on this list, which do not include frustrated Viagraless types like Mr. Bill.

Saludos
Doug

En un mensaje con fecha 04/01/2004 8:07:32 PM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe:



If you're so proud of yourself you should post the last private email you sent me, David. You have my permission.

Bill Kieskowski



>One more, if you could see the two dozen emails I have received 
>congratulating me on my post in support of Fred and Mark, you would 
>leave the list.  You have no friends here.
>DF
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Comments like this are an obvious attempt to keep it all rollling. I shut up, 
>why don't you?
>>
>>Bill Kieskowski
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Dear List;
>>>I agree with Fred, Mark is a great guy and would  intentionally hurt no 
>>>one.  I think that Mr. Bill has been drinking too much of his own  
>>>sock-rince-water!  Oh, and who was that that played the race card? I 
>>>think that was on about the same level of stupidity. Shame when 
>>>meteorites come around to the dregs of society, and those of very low 
>>>mental intellect.  No one wins then. It will be a sad and dry world when 
>>>all cartoonists and comedians are outlawed by stupid people that don't 
>>>ever get a joke. Sad indeed!
>>>Who will these pathetic losers pick on next, Oprah?  I heard that Oprah 
>>>likes meteorites too!
>>>Good call Fred!
>>>Dave Freeman
>>>
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
Hello Folks,
  Fred Hall here, meteorite collector, dealer and cartoonist. I've 
taken a year off from drawing meteorite related cartoons because of 
the threat of a law suit towards the Meteorite Exchange (not for any 
cartoons, however.) I've been thinking of starting up again. I drew 
meteorite cartoons for the now defunct mag Voyage! for two years and 
then for Meteorite Exchange for one year.
  One of my favorite sections of the Rocky Mountain News is the 
comics. Sometimes I don't enjoy certain comics, but I realize that I 
have my own sense of humor, it is not all encompassing.
  Mark's cartoonist is a famous artist (in the cartoon world) and he 
knows that not every toon he draws is going to be a hit, some may even 
upset a small percentage of folks. SO WHAT! No artist can please 
everyone, nor should they ever try! Bill K., if you are still on this 
list, Get A Life! Get Real, OR Get Lost!
Fred Hall / Meteorhall
  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[joseph_town]

Uncool? Who are you? Wavy Gravy?

Bill Kieskowski




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 Highly, HIGHLY uncool to post a private email.  It's really the cardinal sin of the list.  
 
It does tend to put a listee's morals and ethics on full public display though.  I'd like an apology, please.
 
 
Gregory
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'd rather not but you certainly will do as you please.From:    [EMAIL PROTECTED]



  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
you should post the last private email you sent me, David
Then it wouldn't be private, now would it?
 
Tomorrow let's go over the days of the week.

 
GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403USA(310) 913-2598
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[joseph_town]

You are are a nut.

Bill Kieskowski




--- Begin Message ---




 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
you can't incite me to the level of vulgarity you have been sending me, low level moron that I am.
Do you REALLY not understand the difference between public and private correspondence?
 
If these multiple posts of PRIVATE material constitute a violation of list-rules, I would vote for Art to take action.  If it's not a violation, it should be.
 
Perhaps it's time for everyone to fold the list-tent.  Congrats, Bill.  You may be in the process of accomplishing what Joel Warren failed.  That's saying something. 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[Comcast Mail]

Come on,

Nobody can really understand why this guy finds the cartoon offensive?
Especially coming from someone who has never been to Park Forest !
Im a local too, a half hour drive. I look out my door and see million dollar
houses, not much crime, comparatively.
How are things in Wichita? Isn't there a serial killer running around there?
Hmmm... sounds like some serious crime going on there.
Ive hunted Park Forest many times since it fell. All I met were great
friendly people.
No problems at all.
Would it have been much to make a public apology?
Surely it would have taken alot less time than it took to write up the
cartoon.

Bob E.
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon


> If you're so proud of yourself you should post the last private email you
sent me, David. You have my permission.
>
> Bill Kieskowski
>
>
>
> > One more, if you could see the two dozen emails I have received
> > congratulating me on my post in support of Fred and Mark, you would
> > leave the list.  You have no friends here.
> > DF
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > >Comments like this are an obvious attempt to keep it all rollling. I
shut up,
> > why don't you?
> > >
> > >Bill Kieskowski
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Dear List;
> > >>I agree with Fred, Mark is a great guy and would  intentionally hurt
no
> > >>one.  I think that Mr. Bill has been drinking too much of his own
> > >>sock-rince-water!  Oh, and who was that that played the race card? I
> > >>think that was on about the same level of stupidity. Shame when
> > >>meteorites come around to the dregs of society, and those of very low
> > >>mental intellect.  No one wins then. It will be a sad and dry world
when
> > >>all cartoonists and comedians are outlawed by stupid people that don't
> > >>ever get a joke. Sad indeed!
> > >>Who will these pathetic losers pick on next, Oprah?  I heard that
Oprah
> > >>likes meteorites too!
> > >>Good call Fred!
> > >>Dave Freeman
> > >>
> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Hello Folks,
> > >>>Fred Hall here, meteorite collector, dealer and cartoonist. I've
> > >>>taken a year off from drawing meteorite related cartoons because of
> > >>>the threat of a law suit towards the Meteorite Exchange (not for any
> > >>>cartoons, however.) I've been thinking of starting up again. I drew
> > >>>meteorite cartoons for the now defunct mag Voyage! for two years and
> > >>>then for Meteorite Exchange for one year.
> > >>>One of my favorite sections of the Rocky Mountain News is the
> > >>>comics. Sometimes I don't enjoy certain comics, but I realize that I
> > >>>have my own sense of humor, it is not all encompassing.
> > >>>Mark's cartoonist is a famous artist (in the cartoon world) and
he
> > >>>knows that not every toon he draws is going to be a hit, some may
even
> > >>>upset a small percentage of folks. SO WHAT! No artist can please
> > >>>everyone, nor should they ever try! Bill K., if you are still on this
> > >>>list, Get A Life! Get Real, OR Get Lost!
> > >>>Fred Hall / Meteorhall
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[Sharkkb8]

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you can't incite me to the level of vulgarity you have been sending me, low level moron that I am.
Do you REALLY not understand the difference between public and private correspondence?
 
If these multiple posts of PRIVATE material constitute a violation of list-rules, I would vote for Art to take action.  If it's not a violation, it should be.
 
Perhaps it's time for everyone to fold the list-tent.  Congrats, Bill.  You may be in the process of accomplishing what Joel Warren failed.  That's saying something. 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] STOP, please

[Michael L Blood]

Dear Mr Kieskowski,
Please stop now.
Everyone else, perhaps if everyone stops addressing Mr. Kieskowski
on the list he will stop posting.
Thanks, Michael




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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[Devin Schrader]

Wow, is this a meteorite list or a forum for whining and grade school
bickering? Frankly i'm tired of being flooded with rantings on a subject
which should have died out days ago.
Devin


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[meteorite-list] Un-subscribe me

[Timothy Finkle]

Hi, 
 
I think i'm with Horward Wu on this matter. Please, remove me from this list.
 
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[meteorite-list] recent posts

[Steven Drummond]

Ok, Enough is enough , 2 prominent people have left 
the list and I am sure that many are to follow suit.  Stop this childish 
garbage now. 
 This list is not here for people to iron out 
their dirty laundry in public.  
 I usually don't post much but this has just 
got way out of hand, causing people to leave this list and I may be next . 

  There is plenty of stressful things in this 
world and reading this list posts shouldn't be one of them.
    
 IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING POSITIVE TO POST 
TO THE LIST , PLEASE KEEP IT TO YOURSELF !!!  
  Best Regards to 
all,   Steven Drummond   

[meteorite-list] Fw: [MeteoriteCollectors] Please end the mudslings

[Tom aka James Knudson]

>
> It saddens me that at a time I am doing the most I have ever done, energy
and time wise, to promote meteorite interest, I may at the same time did
more damage then I could ever imagine.  To members of the meteorite-central
list, many of you good friends of mine, please send the senseless slings of
e-mail.  Thank you to those that have voiced positive opinions about me, but
please respect my desire to adjust to what is better for me at the moment.
My love for meteorites will likely never end and I will not be going far.
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[meteorite-list] All of this stuff

[ChrisRouse]

Hello all -
    Some of you sellers know me, as I've bought from you over the past years. Others don't know me, of course. 
    I've never posted before. But now - really, folks - I'd just like to pick up some info about meteorites. I'm just a collector who wants to know more. I've so enjoyed seeing Bernd Pauli's messages over the past few weeks.
    To be honest, I did enjoy all of the to-and-fro with Matteo a bit. It was a hoot reading his fractured English! But now things seem to have gotten out of hand. People who want to bicker should feel free to - privately. All of this posting to the entire list suggests generals trying to rally troops to their side. I'm not quite ready to unsubscribe, but I'm a half-step from it.
    Please, people: I can't believe that I'm alone in this. Bush vs. Kerry is one thing, but Mark vs. Bill is another. How about some new NWA info instead?
    Best wishes to all (sincerely),
    Chris Rouse

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[joseph_town]

Steve,

I'll answer you off list.

Thanks

Bill


> Hi bill.I have kept silent till now.I am the only one outside of  mike
> fowler to meet you.I think you are a pretty good guy, but man, what shit
> have you brought on this list?Could you please tell me WHY you find this
> cartoon so upsetting?To me I think it was kind of funny,but I did not make
> a big stink about it.I have met a lot of these people from the list.AND
> THEY ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE.I just want to know what about that stupid
> cartoon that could have set you off, and keep making you keep feuling the
> fire about it.It is only a cartoon.I do not have the greatest love for
> alot of black people.That is just who I am, but come on, a cartoon?Lets
> keep this crap off this list.LET IT GO!We have lost 2 very
> prominent people from this list.I hope they decide to come back soon.I do
> not let this SHIT bother me.Life is to short to get buried into bullshit
> crap.I love this hobby and no one on this putrid planet will ever make ne
> think otherwise.
> 
>steve arnold, chicago
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> > Bill Kieskowski
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> > Subject:Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon
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> > you can't incite me to the level of vulgarity you have been sending me,
> > low 
> > level moron that I am.
> > Do you REALLY not understand the difference between public and private 
> > correspondence?
> > 
> > If these multiple posts of PRIVATE material constitute a violation of 
> > list-rules, I would vote for Art to take action.  If it's not a
> > violation, it should 
> > be.
> > 
> > Perhaps it's time for everyone to fold the list-tent.  Congrats, Bill. 
> > You 
> > may be in the process of accomplishing what Joel Warren failed.  That's
> > saying 
> > something. 
> > 
> > Gregory
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> > Santa Monica, CA 90403
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[Rosemary Hackney]

Dear List...

I apologize to anyone I may have distressed by my posts. I stand by my
opinions..but I did not mean to stress everyone by sustaining a useless
battle.

I doubt I will post again for awhile

Rosie


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[meteorite-list] Frozen Meteorite Finds...MUST READ !

[j . divelbiss]

Dear List,

I've always been fascinated with the concept that rocks in space are usually in a 
frozen condition when in their natural state in space. For the most part that 
changes when they fall to Earth and become meteorites. That is ...while they are 
in space they are often frozen due to their average distance from the Sun, the 
coldness of the vacuum of space, etc. until they fall to Earth.

We have other examples of finding and maintaining frozen meteorite samples from 
the ice fields of Antarctica, and the famous fall of the carbonaceous CI(Tagish Lake) 
that fell into snow on a frozen lake in Canada...and was picked right away by a 
witness who fortunately had the idea of freezing them right away. Then there is 
the concept of frozen "carbonaceous dirt" balls possibly making up our comets is 
being evaluated right now by one of NASA's probes.

Recently I was surfing the net for more information about meteorites in a frozen 
condition and I reviewed several good sites about Antarctica, Tagish Lake 
and the like. At the same time I also came up with another interesting link that 
may have some merit when looking for new sources of meteorites...as in frozen 
ones. I'm somewhat skeptical but the facts seem to support the theory presented. 
I've posted an interesting link on finding frozen meteorites that you all should read.

http://www.spacenews.netfirms.com/news_stories/04_88723.htm

Any feedback would be enjoyed by this connoisseur of pristine frozen meteorites.

John






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Re: [meteorite-list] Frozen Meteorite Finds...MUST READ !

[joseph_town]

Hi all,

I've thought about that process a lot. Frozen in space, well not frozen but colder 
anyway and going through the ablation process so intensely that it never heats or 
cools internally. The ice cube fresh out of the furnace that just lost mass as it was 
explained to me. Fascinated me from the first time I heard it.

Bill Kieskowski

 


> Dear List,
> 
> I've always been fascinated with the concept that rocks in space are usually in 
> a 
> frozen condition when in their natural state in space. For the most part that 
> changes when they fall to Earth and become meteorites. That is ...while they are 
> in space they are often frozen due to their average distance from the Sun, the 
> coldness of the vacuum of space, etc. until they fall to Earth.
> 
> We have other examples of finding and maintaining frozen meteorite samples from 
> the ice fields of Antarctica, and the famous fall of the carbonaceous CI(Tagish 
> Lake) 
> that fell into snow on a frozen lake in Canada...and was picked right away by a 
> witness who fortunately had the idea of freezing them right away. Then there is 
> the concept of frozen "carbonaceous dirt" balls possibly making up our comets is 
> being evaluated right now by one of NASA's probes.
> 
> Recently I was surfing the net for more information about meteorites in a frozen 
> condition and I reviewed several good sites about Antarctica, Tagish Lake 
> and the like. At the same time I also came up with another interesting link that 
> may have some merit when looking for new sources of meteorites...as in frozen 
> ones. I'm somewhat skeptical but the facts seem to support the theory presented. 
> I've posted an interesting link on finding frozen meteorites that you all should 
> read.
> 
> http://www.spacenews.netfirms.com/news_stories/04_88723.htm
> 
> Any feedback would be enjoyed by this connoisseur of pristine frozen meteorites.
> 
> John
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[meteorite-list] new martian meteorite DaG 1037

[Ing. Christian ANGER]

Hi all,

I recently got a sample of the new DaG 1037
As you all may know, yesterday's announcement of the MetBull 88
brought up this new mars.

Great thing ! It has features which you don't have in other Dag 476 etc.
meteorites

It is a spectacular Martian Meteorite with glassy - almost translucent
appearance!
This is the center piece - the missing link - of the DaG Shergottites! - It
seems to origin from the exact zone where the asteroid has hit the surface
of the Red Planet!
Erich sells it at www.mars.li !
He states that prices will increase although it is a big meteorite.
Who knows Erich knows he means (serious) what he says.

best regards from Austria,

Christian


PS:

Neuschwanstein main mass finding report was made on April 1st   ;-)



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[meteorite-list] Meteorites and Children's Smiles

[Jason Phillips]

Hello List,
I decided that this is the most appropriate time to 
tell a wonderful story from my African expedition in December with Grep Hupe and 
Dr. Tony Irving.  
 
One afternoon we were visiting with a very 
nice family looking at some of the meteorites that they had for 
sale.  One of the meteorite specimens they had displayed some great 
eye appeal, ok it was really more WOW appeal.  Well the three of us 
were outside using the sun as a more natural light source to try and see if we 
could determine what this specimen was.  We stood out among the local 
people and all the children wanted to come around and see what we were 
doing.  Some of the young boys recognized that were looking at ROCKS, and I 
am sure they thought we were rather crazy.  Well this group of boys decided 
to pick up rocks off of the ground and they were using the top off of a broken 
glass soda bottle to examine their rocks a little more closely just as we were 
using a magnifying loop to examine our ROCKS.   
 
I guess what this story says is that sometimes 
when you stand out from the crowd it is important to be careful what you are 
doing because others may try and be like you.  Or it may just be a great 
example of a future planetary geologist learning that not all rocks are from 
earth.
 
 
Take Care,
Jason Phillips
Rocks From Heaven
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon

[joseph_town]

What private mail did I post???




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I'll answer you off list.
after posting someone else's private correspondence yet again.   
 
I've never met anyone so willing to broadcast his own cowardice.  Fascinating.
 
You might peruse the list rules.#3 especially.    
 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Lights Observed Over England

[gnkashif]

Title: Nachricht



 

  
  I moderate two forums lists. One is open-ended as 
  Meteorite-list. (no restriction on posting, but forum ethics are meticulously 
  detailed). When there are apparent violations by participants,  the 
  moderator cautions the offending party off -line. If the caution is 
  ignored he/she is shifted to the 2nd forum which is restricted (reviewed and 
  posted at the discretion of  the moderator). This latter option 
  occurs most often when complaints such as has occurred on this list become 
  acute. For certain, however, when rules of dialogue are posted and reiterated 
  periodically, the forum(s) enjoys the enlightening exchanges and 
  seldom suffer loss of membership.  
   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon ( O.T.)

[Marcia Swanson]

Rosie, and remaining List,
Rosie,you only said what alot of us felt, that took courage and I , and
I'm sure many,many, others respect you for it.  If Bill felt he had to
fight a battle for reasons only he could explain.. ( possibly what he
felt was racism ?) , he's smart enough to know he's lost the war, and I
hope he realizes that it's not smart to plant bombs in your own
backyard. If the List falls apart , it won't be your fault anymore than
it was Marks. It won't even be entirely Bills fault, there have been
worse squabbles than this on-list before. We have to straighten out this
mess by trying really hard not to let personal attacks and dealer wars
carry on to the list. It's our responsibility, part of the conditions of
being members That's all. We've just about all done it from time to
time, myself included. But at the cost of loosing any more of the List,
I think it's time to chill-out and learn from all of this. "Can't we all
just get along?" One of the best quotes of the decade!!  Best Regards,
Marcie

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Dear List...

I apologize to anyone I may have distressed by my posts. I stand by my
opinions..but I did not mean to stress everyone by sustaining a useless
battle.

I doubt I will post again for awhile

Rosie


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Re: [meteorite-list] All of this stuff

[Sharkkb8]

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People who want to bicker should feel free to - privately. 
Agreed  - and there would have been zero bickering tonight, had private messages remained private.  But there is none among us who cannot be embarrassed by having private messages broadcast to the list by a coward with an agenda.  It's the reason private-message-posting is forbidden by list-rule #3.   Blame for bickering is sometimes 50-50...but then again sometimes it's 100-0, and it does no good to try to FORCE it to even out, to take blame from where it should be and put it where it shouldn't.
 
<< Others don't know me, of course. >>
 
For any who don't know, Christopher Rouse is one of the preeminent classical composers of the day.  In my opinion, anyone wanting to get interested in contemporary classical music would do well to start with his Symphony #2, Flute Concerto, and Phaeton recording (Telarc 80452).   (You can just put my commission check in the mail.  ;-)
 
    GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403USA(310) 913-2598

[meteorite-list] bye bye

[Dave Harris]

I too have had enough


bye bye



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[meteorite-list] Re: bye bye

[RYAN PAWELSKI]

Yeah...I think I'm outta here also guys (and gals). I'll check the archives from time 
to time, but all this junk mail is driving me insane. Do me a favor Art, and please 
remove me from this list. Thank you and Adios!

Ryan

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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: bye bye

[Pekka Savolainen]

Well, seems to me, the serious people are leaving the list,
think the easier way would be to kick the clowns out...

just my 2 (euro) cents

pekka s

RYAN PAWELSKI wrote:

  Yeah...I think I'm outta here also guys (and gals). I'll check the archives from time to time, but all this junk mail is driving me insane. Do me a favor Art, and please remove me from this list. Thank you and Adios!

Ryan

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I too have had enough


bye bye



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[meteorite-list] met-list

[joseph_town]

You know. I've been here less than a year {the list} but I really looked at things and 
listened to everyone with the awe of a child, at first. I listened with respect and 
awe as a student. I'm 54 years old but the Park Forest thing was really special to me. 
It was new. I dragged furniture and appliances around this area for a lot of years and 
know a lot of people here personally. I have no vested interest. I'm no cop or 
politician. I only wanted everyone to know that this is a pretty harmless place. If 
you want to battle about crime stats look em up to your hearts content. I pointed out 
that in 30 years here I had no problems. It's just the truth. I'm sick of repeating 
it, but I will continue as I am challenged. I'm as stubborn as anyone. If you have 
preconceived notions, fine. Don't talk to me in a negative way because I know better. 
You can however heckle all you want OFF THE LIST!! No way I'll take the heat for the 
real issues here that have driven people away and there is no way I'll ever leave by 
my own choice. I came here to learn and have learned a lot. I look forward to the 
positive as most of us do.

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