[meteorite-list] Vigarano on ebay
Hello I have put 4 little slices of Vigarano on ebay for a good price - others ask $400/gr. for this material - after I have put some NWA main masses of eucrite and howardite materialand the last 2 pieces of Tunguska wood, adfter the material its ended. For who want see the material go here http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=mcomemeteorite Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
There are a lot of good people on this list and this is a fascinating hobby with lots of new things to learn all the time but unfortunately some people get fighting and just mess it up for everyone else. I think some people just over react and take things way too seriously. There is no one on this list that I feel any kind of resentment towards and even if I have a disagreement with someone, I learn to put it behind me. I wish others on this list could do the same. I left this list for almost a year and was dissapointed to come back and see the very same people fighting! And definitely, threatening someone is absolutely uncalled for. btw, I went meteorite hunting today for the first time in a couple years! And I found...*drumroll*...scrap metal! Graham ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Jan Bartels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! Dear List, I just found out what a great hobby we all have. Collecting meteorites, talk about it with so many friends and read all these great messages here on the listfun!! Now i'm not such a wild type of person who wants to be involved with problems or all the nagging going on lately on this list but something has happened that really concerns me. I just read Steve Arnold has left the IMCA. Since i don't have any personal problems with Steve i contacted him and asked him what's going on. It seems someone is threaten him with bodily harm if things will continue the way they are. Someone who has "meteoritepolice" as his mailing adress is sending this message as it seems. Now this is really getting sick!! If all this is true where is this all going to? So many times i read the rubbish of others on this list and who are just getting away with it,even when they have been told to leave the list and/or the IMCA by so many members and still nothing happens. Now we start to use violence!!??sickreally...sick!! I know Steve has made mistakes. I have seen many others made so many more. For the real oneshappy collecting!! Jan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
There are a lot of good people on this list and this is a fascinating hobby with lots of new things to learn all the time but unfortunately some people get fighting and just mess it up for everyone else. I think some people just over react and take things way too seriously. There is no one on this list that I feel any kind of resentment towards and even if I have a disagreement with someone, I learn to put it behind me. I wish others on this list could do the same. I left this list for almost a year and was dissapointed to come back and see the very same people fighting! And definitely, threatening someone is absolutely uncalled for. btw, I went meteorite hunting today for the first time in a couple years! And I found...*drumroll*...scrap metal! Graham ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Jan Bartels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! Dear List, I just found out what a great hobby we all have. Collecting meteorites, talk about it with so many friends and read all these great messages here on the listfun!! Now i'm not such a wild type of person who wants to be involved with problems or all the nagging going on lately on this list but something has happened that really concerns me. I just read Steve Arnold has left the IMCA. Since i don't have any personal problems with Steve i contacted him and asked him what's going on. It seems someone is threaten him with bodily harm if things will continue the way they are. Someone who has "meteoritepolice" as his mailing adress is sending this message as it seems. Now this is really getting sick!! If all this is true where is this all going to? So many times i read the rubbish of others on this list and who are just getting away with it,even when they have been told to leave the list and/or the IMCA by so many members and still nothing happens. Now we start to use violence!!??sickreally...sick!! I know Steve has made mistakes. I have seen many others made so many more. For the real oneshappy collecting!! Jan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] E-bay frustrates me
I will be the high bidder on a meteorite for almost a week and no one else bids. I go to work thinking "Yay, only 2 more hours and I will have won that meteorite!!" and then in the last hour of the auction (usually while I'm at work and away from my computer) someone outbids me!!! And of course I don't have the money to bid high. It's just so frustrating to think you're going to win something and get your hopes up and then have it taken away from you!! Sorry, I just had to vent ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - April 10, 2005
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[meteorite-list] Meteorites need
Hello I need a piece of this meteorites, not biggest Norton County Springwater Tenham Tucson ring Mezo Madaras Email me privatly. Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
Hello all, What do we know here? Jans and I, and others read an email that said Ste was not a member of IMCA anymore effective immediately. Two possibilities: 1. Se quit. (Jans interpretation) 2. Sttte... was canned, dropped, given the boot, fired, dismissed, let go, banished, kicked out, etc. (my initial reaction) What is the truth with the IMCA? Someone knows... As for being threatened with bodily harm by the Meteoritepolice. That is Se..'s story sent to Jans. What is the truth in regards to this threat story? Two people know the truth if there is such a person as Meteoritepolice. And, are we going to believe Sttte...'s story about Big Vito and a set of Campos tied around his ankles. The truth is out there, but I doubt we know it yet. 5 more days, John -- Original message from "Jan Bartels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -- > Dear List, > > I just found out what a great hobby we all have. Collecting meteorites, > talk about it with so many friends and read all these great messages here > on the listfun!! > > Now i'm not such a wild type of person who wants to be involved with > problems or all the nagging going on lately on this list but something has > happened that really concerns me. > I just read Steve Arnold has left the IMCA. Since i don't have any > personal problems with Steve i contacted him and asked him what's going > on. It seems someone is threaten him with bodily harm if things will > continue the way they are. Someone who has "meteoritepolice" as his > mailing adress is sending this message as it seems. Now this is really > getting sick!! If all this is true where is this all going to? So many > times i read the rubbish of others on this list and who are just getting > away with it,even when they have been told to leave the list and/or the > IMCA by so many members and still nothing happens. Now we start to use > violence!!??sickreally...sick!! > I know Steve has made mistakes. I have seen many others made so many > more. > > For the real oneshappy collecting!! > Jan > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Emil Cohen's Market Trends of 1899 - Old prices in today's $ - Part I.
Outstanding job Martin! Thank you. It was like reading the old school report cards of my grandparents. I wonder what a stock analysist would think of our 'investments'? Looking forward to C-Z! Martin H - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:19 am Subject: Emil Cohen's Market Trends of 1899 - Old prices in today's $ - Part I. > Dear list, > > last year I acquired following article: > > E.Cohen: Ueber den Wuelfing'schen Tauschwerth der Meteoriten im > Vergleichmit den Handelspreisen., > published in: Mitth. aus dem naturwiss. Ver. für Neu-Vorpommern u. > Rügen,XXXI. pp 50-66, Greifswald 1899. > > (Wuelfing's trade value of meteorites in comparision with the market > prices). > > Emil Cohen (1842-1905) was a mineralogist, geologist and an eminent > meteorite researcher of his times, from 1885 on professor at the > universityin Greifswald. He started to write a monumental > comprehensive wor k about > meteorites, his "Meteoritenkunde", but died before the third volume > waspublished. > In 1889 E.Weinschenck honoured him in naming that silvery iron > carbide found > in iron > meteorites "Cohenite". > > This article was a reply to Wuelfing's suggested formula for the > determination of a trade value of a meteorite specimen, depending > on total > weight of the class and total known weight of that find or fall, > which was > published two years ago in 1897. > Cohen examines there, whether Wülfing's values are reflecting > actually the > prices asked on the market. > Furthermore he makes some remarks about the behaviour of dealers and > collectors and wonders about the sometimes strange affectations of the > collectors (private meteorite collecting wasn't invented by Nininger). > (His observations seem not directly unfamiliar to me...) > > For the comparison Cohen publishes a list of prices for more than 300 > meteorites, which he collected during several year s until 1899! > It contains the average price per gram, the lowest and the highest > price. > Now with this old price lists we have the problem, that we don't > know, what > would be the old currencies in what the prices are given be worth > today? How > to find out the purchasing power of the old currency to have an > equivalentor how to convert in this case the Mark of 1899 into US-$ > of 2005? > Long term indices for the purchasing power I couldn't find. Old single > prices, wages, salaries aren't helpful, as for instance manpower > was cheap > at that times, foods expensive - today in the first world it's > otherwayround. > Thus here my approach: > Cohen's prices are given in Pfennige of Mark (german Goldmark). The > Mark was > a gold-backed currency, consequently I calculated my adaptation via > the gold > price. I had the fine gold contents of the Mark, keeping in mind, > that the > gold price at that time was subject of manipulation by the national > governme nts, I chose the New Yorker fixing of that year and in > virtue of > today's goldprice's, I converted the Goldmark in today's US-$. (In > fact I > did it last year, when the ounce was at 400$). > I got out: 1Mark = 4.61$ > (of course the purchase power of gold was see-sawing through time > too, but > do you have a better suggestion?) > > Or in other words, the following price list is that, what you have > effectively to pay, if you'll run tomorrow to your bank, buy gold, > jump in > the time machine, travel 106 years back and purchase meteorites. > > In the following list, I use the meteorite names according to the > Catalogueof Meteorites, I added the type, an asterisk indicates an > observed fall. > Given is the average price, in brackets lowest and highest price. > Meteorites marked as "pseudo" were at Cohen's times already known as > pseudometeorites. > Some finds of the same meteorite (most already known and listed by > Cohen to > be paired) were sold seperatel y at different price levels. > A "(?)" is found in thuse few cases, where I wasn't able to > identify the > meteorite: > > And here we go! > > > Agen* H516.34$ (14,29-18.44) > Alais* CI1 66,85$ (41.49-92.90) > Aleppo* L66.92$ > Alfianello* L6 3.00$ (0.92-4.61) > Ambapur Nagla* H5 19.59$ (13.83-25.36) > Angra dos Reis* ANGR 110.64$ > Arlington IIE 17.52$ (16.14-19.36) > Assisi* H5 18.44$ > Augustinovka IIIA 8.07$ > Ausson* L521.21$ (6.92-34.58) > Avilez (*) H 83.90$ > > Babb's Mill IrUNGR 12.91$ > Bachmut* L6 18.44$ > Ballinoo IIC2.77$ (1.75-3.92) > Barbotan* H520.75$ (11.76-27.66) > Bath* H56.45$ (3.00-9.22) > Beaver Creek* H4 9.22$ (3.92-12.68) > Bel la Roca IIIAB4.38$ (3.69-4.84) > Benares
Re: [meteorite-list] Party for the oldest piece of earth?
Hi, Martin's right, of course. Technically, it's the oldest piece of the Earth yet discovered that was formed on the Earth, so it's the "oldest thing ever" only in the context of terrestrial geology. Every scientist sees everything only in their own context, you know. The Dawn Zircon demonstrates that 4.4 billion years ago, the Earth was not a raging inferno of molten rock that makes the Venus of today seem mild by comparison. Terrestrial geology has always believed that there was this initial prolonged and really nasty stage, which they have dubbed the Hadean Era. Doesn't seem to be so. There had to be liquid water in great abundance, with reasonable temperatures, not boiling away, and continents with the usual geologic processes taking place for this zircon to form. Maybe not ready to build shopping plazas on, but surprisingly "earth-like." Meteorites are a trivial 4.56 billion years old. When compared to the 13.5 billion years the Universe has been around, hey! what's the big deal? Recent trash rocks, that's what. We love'em anyway. Someday (if we're real lucky) we'll find a meteorite that has an odd inclusion in it that, when we date it, turns out to 6.73 billion years old (or whatever), a piece of the pre-solar formation Universe. Maybe. As the comedienne Judy Tenuta says, "It could happen..." Wonderful as zeroing in closer and closer to the formation of the solar system is, it is only one more strictly local event, one of countless billions, and important to us only because we happen to be in it. The wonderful thing about Time is -- there's so much of it. The sad thing about Time is -- we get so little of it. Sterling K. Webb --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi All, > > If the museum director think this is the oldest thing ever, then he has > missed most of the meteorites, and almost all of the universe. > > Hmmm, maybe someone could crash their party with a nice piece of Allende? > > -Martin > > http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/04/09/oldest.object.ap/index.html > > Earth's 'oldest thing ever' gets viewing > > Zircon crystal sample believed to date back 4.4 billion years > > Saturday, April 9, 2005 Posted: 9:58 PM EDT (0158 GMT) > > Discovered in Australia in 1984, this speck of zircon crystal is believed to > be the oldest known piece of Earth. > > MADISON, Wisconsin (AP) -- Call it much ado about almost nothing. > > To create buzz about an otherwise arcane subject, the University of > Wisconsin-Madison showed off a tiny speck of zircon crystal believed to be > the oldest known piece of Earth at about 4.4 billion years old. > "This is it -- the oldest thing ever. One day only," said Joe Skulan, > director of the UW-Madison Geology Museum, where the object was displayed > under police guard. "The idea of having a big celebration of something that's > so tiny -- we're playing with the obvious absurdity of it." > > snip-- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] test
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[meteorite-list] Emil Cohen's Market Trends of 1899 - Old prices in today's $ - Part I.
Dear list, last year I acquired following article: E.Cohen: Ueber den Wuelfing'schen Tauschwerth der Meteoriten im Vergleich mit den Handelspreisen., published in: Mitth. aus dem naturwiss. Ver. für Neu-Vorpommern u. Rügen, XXXI. pp 50-66, Greifswald 1899. (Wuelfing's trade value of meteorites in comparision with the market prices). Emil Cohen (1842-1905) was a mineralogist, geologist and an eminent meteorite researcher of his times, from 1885 on professor at the university in Greifswald. He started to write a monumental comprehensive work about meteorites, his "Meteoritenkunde", but died before the third volume was published. In 1889 E.Weinschenck honoured him in naming that silvery iron carbide found in iron meteorites "Cohenite". This article was a reply to Wuelfing's suggested formula for the determination of a trade value of a meteorite specimen, depending on total weight of the class and total known weight of that find or fall, which was published two years ago in 1897. Cohen examines there, whether Wülfing's values are reflecting actually the prices asked on the market. Furthermore he makes some remarks about the behaviour of dealers and collectors and wonders about the sometimes strange affectations of the collectors (private meteorite collecting wasn't invented by Nininger). (His observations seem not directly unfamiliar to me...) For the comparison Cohen publishes a list of prices for more than 300 meteorites, which he collected during several years until 1899! It contains the average price per gram, the lowest and the highest price. Now with this old price lists we have the problem, that we don't know, what would be the old currencies in what the prices are given be worth today? How to find out the purchasing power of the old currency to have an equivalent or how to convert in this case the Mark of 1899 into US-$ of 2005? Long term indices for the purchasing power I couldn't find. Old single prices, wages, salaries aren't helpful, as for instance manpower was cheap at that times, foods expensive - today in the first world it's otherway round. Thus here my approach: Cohen's prices are given in Pfennige of Mark (german Goldmark). The Mark was a gold-backed currency, consequently I calculated my adaptation via the gold price. I had the fine gold contents of the Mark, keeping in mind, that the gold price at that time was subject of manipulation by the national governments, I chose the New Yorker fixing of that year and in virtue of today's goldprice's, I converted the Goldmark in today's US-$. (In fact I did it last year, when the ounce was at 400$). I got out: 1Mark = 4.61$ (of course the purchase power of gold was see-sawing through time too, but do you have a better suggestion?) Or in other words, the following price list is that, what you have effectively to pay, if you'll run tomorrow to your bank, buy gold, jump in the time machine, travel 106 years back and purchase meteorites. In the following list, I use the meteorite names according to the Catalogue of Meteorites, I added the type, an asterisk indicates an observed fall. Given is the average price, in brackets lowest and highest price. Meteorites marked as "pseudo" were at Cohen's times already known as pseudometeorites. Some finds of the same meteorite (most already known and listed by Cohen to be paired) were sold seperately at different price levels. A "(?)" is found in thuse few cases, where I wasn't able to identify the meteorite: And here we go! Agen* H516.34$ (14,29-18.44) Alais* CI1 66,85$ (41.49-92.90) Aleppo* L66.92$ Alfianello* L6 3.00$ (0.92-4.61) Ambapur Nagla* H5 19.59$ (13.83-25.36) Angra dos Reis* ANGR 110.64$ Arlington IIE 17.52$ (16.14-19.36) Assisi* H5 18.44$ Augustinovka IIIA 8.07$ Ausson* L521.21$ (6.92-34.58) Avilez (*) H 83.90$ Babb's Mill IrUNGR 12.91$ Bachmut* L6 18.44$ Ballinoo IIC2.77$ (1.75-3.92) Barbotan* H520.75$ (11.76-27.66) Bath* H56.45$ (3.00-9.22) Beaver Creek* H4 9.22$ (3.92-12.68) Bella Roca IIIAB4.38$ (3.69-4.84) Benares* LL4 55.32$ Bendegó IC4.15$ (2.31-5.99) Bishopville* AUB 43.33$ (27.66-65.92) Bitburg IAB 44.26$ (42.64-46.10) Black Mountain IAB19.50$ Bluff(a) L5 2.77$ (1.84-3.46) Bohumilitz IAB 4.61$ Bori* L620.05$ (11.53-23.05) Borkut* L5 23.05$ Brahin PAL 26.28$ (12.68-35.27) Braunau* IIAB 16.14$ (9.22-23.05) Bremervörde* H3.7 17.52$ (4.61-27.66) Brenham PAL3.69$ (1.38-7.61) Bridgewater IID 7.15$ (5.07
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
Hi John, I, too, received an email from Anne Black, listed as an IMCA post stating Chicago Steve was no longer a member, effective immediately. However, there was no explanation - nothing about his quitting, nothing about his ejection as a disciplinary action - and if so, for violation of what rule(s), etc. I considered this inappropriate (not necessarily such a dismissal, but failure to provide info on rules violation or the like). In fact, without this information, I felt it was so inappropriate as to approach the definition of "gossip." I find it quite disturbing for a body considering itself "official" to conduct itself in such a manor. I wrote Steve, asking if he withdrew from membership or was ejected. Regardless, would he be willing to share with me his reason (if he left) or the reason given him if he was dismissed. I was shocked to hear back from him that "some other people contacted me as well, asking the same question and I don't know WHAT is going on. This is the first I have heard of it " (this may not be the exact wording, as it was a phone message and I did not save the recording, but that is the exact content of his verbal response). If Steve is being truthful, (and I have no reason to particularly doub that he is) I am now doubly concerned that this is how "business" is being conducted by this body and am beginning to have concerns about its organizational credibility, altogether. Again, I am not debating whether or not Chicago Steve violated (a) rule(s) worthy of dismissal - my issue is the process I am witnessing. Are others equally concerned? Best wishes, Michael on 4/10/05 5:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello all, > > What do we know here? > > Jans and I, and others read an email that said Ste was not a member of > IMCA anymore effective immediately. > > Two possibilities: > > 1. Se quit. (Jans interpretation) > 2. Sttte... was canned, dropped, given the boot, fired, dismissed, let go, > banished, kicked out, etc. (my initial reaction) > > What is the truth with the IMCA? Someone knows... > > As for being threatened with bodily harm by the Meteoritepolice. That is > Se..'s story sent to Jans. > > What is the truth in regards to this threat story? Two people know the truth > if there is such a person as Meteoritepolice. And, are we going to believe > Sttte...'s story about Big Vito and a set of Campos tied around his ankles. > The truth is out there, but I doubt we know it yet. > > 5 more days, > > John > > > > > -- Original message from "Jan Bartels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > -- > > >> Dear List, >> >> I just found out what a great hobby we all have. Collecting meteorites, >> talk about it with so many friends and read all these great messages here >> on the listfun!! >> >> Now i'm not such a wild type of person who wants to be involved with >> problems or all the nagging going on lately on this list but something has >> happened that really concerns me. >> I just read Steve Arnold has left the IMCA. Since i don't have any >> personal problems with Steve i contacted him and asked him what's going >> on. It seems someone is threaten him with bodily harm if things will >> continue the way they are. Someone who has "meteoritepolice" as his >> mailing adress is sending this message as it seems. Now this is really >> getting sick!! If all this is true where is this all going to? So many >> times i read the rubbish of others on this list and who are just getting >> away with it,even when they have been told to leave the list and/or the >> IMCA by so many members and still nothing happens. Now we start to use >> violence!!??sickreally...sick!! >> I know Steve has made mistakes. I have seen many others made so many >> more. >> >> For the real oneshappy collecting!! >> Jan >> >> >> __ >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- "You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are." -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
In a message dated 4/10/2005 1:25:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Are others equally concerned? >> I'm not concerned about it. I don't believe the IMCA would go through the trouble of revoking anyones membership without just cause.Do the rest of the members need to know the reason?If they aren't directly involved, I don't see why.If any member acts in any way to put the IMCA in a bad light, they should be given a warning.If the warning is disregarded, then they should be canned.What could be more simpler and just than that? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
Hi Michael and all, I don't have anything in the IMCA as I am not a member but you have made some good points. One question I have to ask is why there are still some people still members of the IMCA and why Steve was removed. If your going to clean house then it should be done with other questionable members. I don't think someone should be removed from hear say but if you dug deep enough, I think you could find others have violated some of the rules. I don't want to go into details as it doesn't serve any good purpose but perhaps the IMCA needs to post it's by laws for it's members and post the rules, give some fair warnings then expel the people who don't think the rules apply to them. Best! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
1) Stating the rule(s) violated. That would be "simpler." Do you trust the US police & courts? Generally, I do. However, how would you feel if your wife, cousin, or even the neighbor you don't like were put in prison. No Explanation. Just "there was a good reason" from the police and/or court? How would you feel if YOU were dragged off to jail - and told, "we have a good reason?" I am shocked by your response. Sincerely, Michael on 4/10/05 10:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 4/10/2005 1:25:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Are others equally concerned? >> I'm not concerned about it. I don't > believe the IMCA would go through the trouble of revoking > anyones membership without just cause.Do the rest of the members need to > know the reason?If they aren't directly involved, > I don't see why.If any member acts in any way to put the IMCA in > a bad light, they should be given a warning.If the warning is > disregarded, then they should be canned.What could be more > simpler and just than that? > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- "You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are." -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
1) Stating the rule(s) violated. That would be "simpler." Do you trust the US police & courts? Generally, I do. However, how would you feel if your wife, cousin, or even the neighbor you don't like were put in prison. No Explanation. Just "there was a good reason" from the police and/or court? How would you feel if YOU were dragged off to jail - and told, "we have a good reason?" I am shocked by your response. Sincerely, Michael on 4/10/05 10:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 4/10/2005 1:25:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Are others equally concerned? >> I'm not concerned about it. I don't > believe the IMCA would go through the trouble of revoking > anyones membership without just cause.Do the rest of the members need to > know the reason?If they aren't directly involved, > I don't see why.If any member acts in any way to put the IMCA in > a bad light, they should be given a warning.If the warning is > disregarded, then they should be canned.What could be more > simpler and just than that? > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- "You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are." -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Emil Cohen's Market Trends of 1899 - Old prices in today's $ - Part II.
D - to - L Dalton IIIAB10.60$ (9.22-12.22) Dhurmsala* LL64.61$ (2.86-9.68) Djati Pemgilon* H6 36.88$ Doroninsk* H6 46.10$ Duel Hill (1854) IVA29.04$ (9.22-55.32) Duruma* L6 19.82$ Eagle Station PAL 8.99$ (5.30-13.83) Eichstaedt* H5 41.49$ Elbogen* IID 13.83$ El Capitan IIIAB4.38$ (3.09-5.76) Ensisheim* LL611.53$ (8.30-13.83) Epinal* H5195.93$ Estherville* MES 3.46$ (2.31-4.61) Farmington* L5 3.46$ (1.15-6.59) Forest City* H54.15$ (2.12-6.73) Fort Pierre IIIAB8.07$ Gambat* L6 19.13$ Gibeon IVA 11.76$ Girgenti* L6 18.44$ (13.83-22.59) Glorieta Mountain PAL 4.61$ (2.31-9.22) Gnadenfrei* H5 92.20$ Grand Rapids IrUNGR 2.99$ (1.61-4.61) Grosnaja* CV3.3 59.93$ Grossliebenthal* L6 32.27$ (9.68-55.32) Hessle* H5 16.37$ (7.84-26.97) Hex River Mountains IIAB 2.54$ (2.31-2.77) Homstead* L5 - grey colour2.77$ (0.92-4.61) - green colour 19.82$ Honolulu* L5 24.20$ (22.59-25.82) Imilac PAL6.22$ (2.77-13.83) Indarch* EH4 42.87$ (36.88-48.87) Iron Creek IIIAB 77.45$ Jamestown IVA6.68$ (5.99-7.38) Jelica* LL6 6.92$ (4.24-9.22) Jenny's Creek IAB 12.22$ (11.53-12.91) Joel's Iron IIIAB31.35$ Joe Wright Mountain IIIAB6.92$ (5.76-8.07) Juncal IIIAB17.75$ (17.29-18.44) Juvinas* EUC 20.51$ (17.98-23.05) Kendall County IrUNGr 4.84$ (3.46-6.68) Kenton County IIIAB 3.00$ (2.31-3.92) Kernouvé* H612.45$ (5.76-18.44) Kesen* H4 9.68$ (2.44-23.05) Knyahinya* L53.23$ (1.48-4.61) Kokstad IIIE9.22$ Krasnojarsk PAL8.76$ (3.69-13.83) Kyushu* L6 10.83$ (7.84-13.83) Laborel* H5 23.05$ (20.75-25.36) La Caille IrUNGR 11.76$ L'Aigle* L6 7.15$ (2.31-11.76) Lancon* H6 19.59$ (17.29-21.90) La Primitiva IIG 19.59$ Lenarto IIIAB 9.22$ Le Pressoir* L6 78.37$ Lesves* L624.43$ (23.05-25.82) Lick Creek IIAB 23.05$ Lime Creek IrUNGR 13.83$ Lissa* L6 22.59$ (15.67-27.66) Lixna* H4 28.81$ (25.36-32.27) Locust Grove IIAB 5.07$ (4.06-5.76) Lodran* LOD 104.19$ (103.73-104.88) Long Island L6 2.07$ (1.15-2.54) Losttown IID 6.27$ (4.84-7.70) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] In defence of IMCA ISSUES
Dear Michael; Consider what would happen if you had a mess going on. Would you want a whole bunch of private things being broadcast all over the front page of the meteorite community? You have been accused of some less than glorious events in your past and I doubt that you would relish the broadcasting of that all over the internet. Before you bitch too much about steve's issues, please ponder what it would be like to have skeletons from closets being dumped on to the world of meteorite collectors. I highly respect the posture of the IMCA not releasing a pile of personal issues about this action. I think you should respect the decision in realizing they are honest people and accept that fact. Nondisclosure of private issues in in my opinion, is commendable. If steve wanted you to know all of the details, I am quite sure he would tell you too. Think about that. Maybe there are many that do not want you, or others to know these private issues. Again, there are issues that all of us have that are better off not disclosed to the whole meteorite central list or the collectors list or the IMCA general membership. Get off the soap box. Dave Freeman Michael L Blood wrote: Hi John, I, too, received an email from Anne Black, listed as an IMCA post stating Chicago Steve was no longer a member, effective immediately. However, there was no explanation - nothing about his quitting, nothing about his ejection as a disciplinary action - and if so, for violation of what rule(s), etc. I considered this inappropriate (not necessarily such a dismissal, but failure to provide info on rules violation or the like). In fact, without this information, I felt it was so inappropriate as to approach the definition of "gossip." I find it quite disturbing for a body considering itself "official" to conduct itself in such a manor. I wrote Steve, asking if he withdrew from membership or was ejected. Regardless, would he be willing to share with me his reason (if he left) or the reason given him if he was dismissed. I was shocked to hear back from him that "some other people contacted me as well, asking the same question and I don't know WHAT is going on. This is the first I have heard of it " (this may not be the exact wording, as it was a phone message and I did not save the recording, but that is the exact content of his verbal response). If Steve is being truthful, (and I have no reason to particularly doub that he is) I am now doubly concerned that this is how "business" is being conducted by this body and am beginning to have concerns about its organizational credibility, altogether. Again, I am not debating whether or not Chicago Steve violated (a) rule(s) worthy of dismissal - my issue is the process I am witnessing. Are others equally concerned? Best wishes, Michael on 4/10/05 5:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, What do we know here? Jans and I, and others read an email that said Ste was not a member of IMCA anymore effective immediately. Two possibilities: 1. Se quit. (Jans interpretation) 2. Sttte... was canned, dropped, given the boot, fired, dismissed, let go, banished, kicked out, etc. (my initial reaction) What is the truth with the IMCA? Someone knows... As for being threatened with bodily harm by the Meteoritepolice. That is Se..'s story sent to Jans. What is the truth in regards to this threat story? Two people know the truth if there is such a person as Meteoritepolice. And, are we going to believe Sttte...'s story about Big Vito and a set of Campos tied around his ankles. The truth is out there, but I doubt we know it yet. 5 more days, John -- Original message from "Jan Bartels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -- Dear List, I just found out what a great hobby we all have. Collecting meteorites, talk about it with so many friends and read all these great messages here on the listfun!! Now i'm not such a wild type of person who wants to be involved with problems or all the nagging going on lately on this list but something has happened that really concerns me. I just read Steve Arnold has left the IMCA. Since i don't have any personal problems with Steve i contacted him and asked him what's going on. It seems someone is threaten him with bodily harm if things will continue the way they are. Someone who has "meteoritepolice" as his mailing adress is sending this message as it seems. Now this is really getting sick!! If all this is true where is this all going to? So many times i read the rubbish of others on this list and who are just getting away with it,even when they have been told to leave the list and/or the IMCA by so many members and still nothing happens. Now we start to use violence!!??sickreally...sick!! I know Steve has made mistakes. I have seen many others made so many more. For the real oneshappy collecting!! Jan ___
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
Michael, I appreciate your concerns, but, is it really anyones business on this list as to why somebody was removed from the IMCA? I dont believe the IMCA is in anyway obligated to explain their actions to the list. BE - Original Message - From: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List" Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! 1) Stating the rule(s) violated. That would be "simpler." Do you trust the US police & courts? Generally, I do. However, how would you feel if your wife, cousin, or even the neighbor you don't like were put in prison. No Explanation. Just "there was a good reason" from the police and/or court? How would you feel if YOU were dragged off to jail - and told, "we have a good reason?" I am shocked by your response. Sincerely, Michael on 4/10/05 10:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/10/2005 1:25:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Are others equally concerned? >> I'm not concerned about it. I don't believe the IMCA would go through the trouble of revoking anyones membership without just cause.Do the rest of the members need to know the reason?If they aren't directly involved, I don't see why.If any member acts in any way to put the IMCA in a bad light, they should be given a warning.If the warning is disregarded, then they should be canned.What could be more simpler and just than that? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- "You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are." -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Emil Cohen's Market trends of 1899
Hello Buckleboo Martin and List, In 1894 E.A. Wülfing published this treatise: Verbreitung und Wert der in Sammlungen aufbewahrten Meteoriten Distribution and Value of Meteorites in Meteorite Collections The following criteria should be helpful in assessing the market value of meteorites: Summary only as I am *very, very busy* reading and grading papers! It's "Abitur" time here in Germany - final examinations... Wülfing: "In my opinion, the value of meteorites depends on": 1) amount of material preserved (in scientific collections) 2) specific characteristics of the respective meteorites 3) distribution of the meteoritic material (or number of owners) 4) influence of future meteorite falls or material then collected 5) last but not least: - state of preservation and interest in the material - "Gewinnkosten"* * Not quite sure what that is - not even in German,...I think Wülfing was talking about what it cost a museum, a lab or an institution to acquire meteoritic material (through trade, purchase, etc.) Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] IMCA, this is not the IMCA!
Please people, I do believe that the IMCA is a seperate entity from the Meteorite List. Can we keep the majority of the IMCA business off of here? Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What a lunar thrill - again ! :-)
Hello List, Those fortunate enough to own a piece or a slice of M. Farmer's Dhofar 1180 LUN-A will have noticed that it is one of the darkest lunars in our collections. I was amazed to detect numerous "glassy-looking" clasts when I wandered over it with my Russian MBS-10 stereo microscope. One of these may be epoxy resin (Mike ...?) because it is crystal- clear like the melt pockets you find in some of the NWA 482 lunars. But several others are a pleasing tan color - translucent like smoky quartz crystals that were not exposed to radioactive radiation too long. So, maybe, Dhofar 1180 may turn out to be a heavily shocked lunar meteorite and I was looking at higly maskelynitized plagioclase crystals or some other shocked minerals and the overall dark matrix may be due to shock darkening. How I would love to know which cratering / impact event on "radiant Diana*," "the goddess of love and lunacy*" produced this and other lunar beauties! * Paul Auster: Moon Palace Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
In a message dated 4/10/2005 2:01:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Do you trust the US police & courts? Generally, I do. >> Well, generally, I don't. <> It happens all the time, however, I wasn't aware that an IMCA member was dragged off to jail with no reason. << I am shocked by your response.>> There isn't any reason to be shocked by my responses.They are just my point of view, and whether or not anyone else shares my views doesn't bother me at all. There are more important things to lose sleep over than whether or not we should be informed why a member has been canned. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] you can only take so much,till the mountain blows
Hello list it has been sometime, but I have been encouraged to post what has been happening to me.I'll only make this post, than nothing till the 15th.I really believe something has to be said.I really do not know where this whole IMCA thing started and I do not care.Just to let everyone know, I DID NOT QUIT.I found 3 other people that said, I had been kicked out of the IMCA.Well that is also news to me.No one from the board has given me any indication that I had been kicked out.I guess I want to know why.I have a feeling I know why.But if it is what I think it is, both incidents have been taken care of very professionally and honestly.Mistakes made on my part and rectified.Now earlier today, I got 2 emails from RHETT BOURLAND,whom I have not had contact with for 5 years,out of the blue he starts putting me down,critisizing my website,calling me a moron, and says, he welcomes my idiotic posts with open arms.KEEP THEM COMING!.Well now this coming from a very respected member of the IMCA board.So who now is blowing me crap on how I live?Come on people I have been dragged thru mud just a bit once to often here.It is getting to be old hat here.If I have been kicked out, please refund me my $20.If not not, lets just get on with meteorites.This is what is all about.I have seen other people do much greater things to get this whole group pissed off.I am not in that kind of mode.I also get tired of apoligizing.It really gets old.If it warrents an apology,than one will come forth.But just to apologize to make myself feel better is just plain stupid.This is all I am going to say about this matter.I have gotten many encouraging emails from good people supporting me and some just from downright jerks.Please stop harrasing me just because you do not like the way I run my life.How I run it is my business, NO ONE ELSES.I have only one person to answer to and that is GOD.He'll judge me when the time comes.Until that day,lets get on with meteorites,thin sections,trading and selling thse great rocks from space and lets move on.Like mike farmer said,lets keep the IMCA off the meteorite list.Till next weekend all!I hope you all have a great rest of your day where ever you are. steve arnold, chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Blog with a no nonsense topic...Please keep it that way.
Dear List, The person behind the blogsite has posted a positive topic for discussion. Please keep it useful and ON TOPIC. The topic is hunting meteorites in the Americas. Thank you. Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Blog with a no nonsense topic...Pleasekeep it that way.
Dear Graham and List, Please keep this topic clean and on topic. If you have some other type of remark(off topic or non-productive) please post it under another topic from a different day. I would still like this to be a positive forum. The link is: www.meteoritehunters.blogspot.com If the link doesn`t work just type it in. There is also a comment button at the top of the page to send Topics for Discussion to its creator. Please use your real name; but you can still post anon. Thank you. This is meant to be a serious topic. Thank you. I am NOT the person behind this Blog although it was my idea. Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] VCIs annd plastic jewel boxes
Does anyone have experience with putting slips of VCI in the plastic jewel boxes many of us use for display? I am thinking of purchasing some for that purpose, but want to make sure it will not degrade the boxes (darken or frost the clear plastic, make it weep, etc.) Anything that can prevent my irons from having an adverse reaction to the moist, salty Hawaiian air is a plus! Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sales AD: Offers Welcome on Oriented Specimens, etc.
Hi All,
The other day Bob Evan's wrote:
> Wish I had this one !
http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/meteorwrongs/fusioncrust.ht
m
Now, I certainly can't offer anything as fresh and impeccable as Karakol, a
real epitome of an oriented meteorite. However, at least the first sample
I'd like to show you has some great "fiery" flight markings, similar to
those on the famous Karakol chondrite. It's the main mass of Dar al Gani
113, a rather fresh desert find from Libya. Have a look:
http://www.meteoris.de/list/DaG113.htm
If you like it - I'm entertaining reasonable offers. Since I'm focussing
more and more on achondrites, I'm trying to thin out my chondrite collection
a bit, and thus I'm willing to part with this, and other classy specimens.
The same counts for the main mass of HaH 214, a real whopper of just below
1.5 kilos with a very nice apex ("Brustseite"):
http://www.meteoris.de/list/HaH214.htm
Last but not least, I also have a neat 2g plus lunar slice of Dhofar 908
left that's looking for a new home - have a look:
http://www.meteoris.de/list/Dho908.htm
I reserve the right to reject any given offer, but you can be assured that I
will consider any reasonable offer on a first come, first served basis. If
these specimens don't sell this way they will certainly end up at eBay next
weekend. Anyway - I hope you enjoyed the pictures ;-)
All the best,
Norbert Classen
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Re: [meteorite-list] What a lunar thrill - again ! :-)
Bernd and all, there is NO resin on this meteorite, never has, never will be. It is a regolith breccia, full of many types of Lunar material, many different scientists are working on it, and when new papers are released, I will inform everyone. It is spectacular as I think Bernd is pointing out. By the way, make sure you get the upcoming issue of Meteorite Magazine, there might just be a note in there about this new Lunar.. Mike - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] What a lunar thrill - again ! :-) Hello List, Those fortunate enough to own a piece or a slice of M. Farmer's Dhofar 1180 LUN-A will have noticed that it is one of the darkest lunars in our collections. I was amazed to detect numerous "glassy-looking" clasts when I wandered over it with my Russian MBS-10 stereo microscope. One of these may be epoxy resin (Mike ...?) because it is crystal- clear like the melt pockets you find in some of the NWA 482 lunars. But several others are a pleasing tan color - translucent like smoky quartz crystals that were not exposed to radioactive radiation too long. So, maybe, Dhofar 1180 may turn out to be a heavily shocked lunar meteorite and I was looking at higly maskelynitized plagioclase crystals or some other shocked minerals and the overall dark matrix may be due to shock darkening. How I would love to know which cratering / impact event on "radiant Diana*," "the goddess of love and lunacy*" produced this and other lunar beauties! * Paul Auster: Moon Palace Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pictures needed
Dear list members: I need pictures for the daily "Rocks From Space Picture of the Day" post. Please also include a small description with your full name and web site address if you have one. Thanks for all your support! Regards, Michael Johnson www.spacerocksinc.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: VCIs annd plastic jewel boxes
Hi Tracy and listees... As you may or may not know, I have been using VCI emmiters in two plastic display cases for over a year now, and they have not discolored the surfaces in any way. The VCI molocules are only attracted to metal surfaces, so the only thing I can think of that would discolor a surface (make it cloudy) would be direct contact with a highly concentrated sponge-type emmiter bearing the oily residue of the actual VCI product. Anyone else care so share any thoughts or experiences with VCI emmiters? Ryan -Original Message- From: tracy latimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Apr 10, 2005 4:17 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] VCIs annd plastic jewel boxes Does anyone have experience with putting slips of VCI in the plastic jewel boxes many of us use for display? I am thinking of purchasing some for that purpose, but want to make sure it will not degrade the boxes (darken or frost the clear plastic, make it weep, etc.) Anything that can prevent my irons from having an adverse reaction to the moist, salty Hawaiian air is a plus! Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Membrane box storage
I recently purchased quite a few membrane boxes from Ron Hartman (thanks Ron!) and while transfering my micros from jewel boxes to the new boxes I was trying to think of the best way to store them. The jewel boxes were stored in a foam lined tray that held 50 round or square jewel boxes. I took the foam liner out and discovered that I could fit 100 membrane boxes perfectly in the tray if I placed them in on their sides. This works out very well since I put the labels on one side of the box, and I can read the label and remove the box for viewing with no trouble. If anyone has tried other storage methods, I'd like to hear about them. David H. Here is the price of freedom, your every drop of courage, ounce of pain, pint of blood. Paid in advance. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I take back what I said...
E-bay rules! I just won a 32.5 gram vaca muerta mesosiderite for 10.50 pounds which is like $20 US, and about $25 Canadian!! Thank you to everyone who replied to my original E-bay e-mail and gave me some useful info Graham ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 1994 Peanuts Comic - Snoopy & the Nakhla Meteorite
Hello list, Newspapers of March 31, 1994 for almost every newspaper in the United States, and the April 26, 1994 of the Daily Gleaner (Jamaica), included a Peanuts comic of meteorite interest. Paper: The Gleaner City: Kingston, Surrey, Jamaica Date: Tuesday, April 26, 1994 Page: 12 (of 26) "PEANUTS" comic (Three panels.) (First panel has Linus and Charlie Brown together, while Charlie Brown is reading a paper. (Note most comics are in capital, such as Peanuts is so you don't need to yell. Just think of your best Charlie Brown voice:-) "AND IT SAYS HERE THAT NO ONE HAS BEEN STRUCK BY A FALLING METEORITE" (Second panel has Linus and Charlie Brown walking away..leaving Snoopy by himself.) "ALTHOUGH A DOG WAS KILLED BY A METEORITE YEARS AGO.." (Third panel has Snoopy by himself with a thought ballon.) "WHAT DO THEY MEAN, "ALTHOUGH" A DOG?" (end) As usual...e-mail for a PDF. You can choose the Jamaica or one of the US I have archived. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas http://www.meteoritearticles.com http://www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com http://www.imca.cc http://stores.ebay.com/meteoritearticles __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] boycott imca
Steve the scapegoat. How convenient. An impotent organization flexed it's flabby muscles and worked over the least of it's brethren. Sickening. I think collectors should boycott anyone associated with the imca. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Boycott??
In a message dated 4/10/2005 11:15:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I think collectors should boycott anyone associated with the imca. >> I think collectors and buyers should boycott everyone NOT associated with the IMCA. ...Ray... IMCA #4235 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] boycott imca
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve the scapegoat. How convenient. An impotent organization flexed it's flabby muscles and worked over the least of it's brethren. Sickening. I think collectors should boycott anyone associated with the imca. Bill Scapegoat? I can't believe how nieve some of you are. If one was to actually read their emails over the last year, one would understand why the IMCA did what they did. Rhett Bhourland isn't a "board member" any longer, so he is acting on his ownnot in the interest of the IMCA. (And that's just Steve's word on things and not fact). Look listen and learn. There are many list members (other than IMCA) that have had issues with Scapegoat Steve for quite sometime now. That's all I will say on the issue, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Boycott??
Ray, Now you're talking. It's obvious that what you think is the guiding principle of the imca. Bill -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In a message dated 4/10/2005 11:15:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << I think collectors should boycott anyone associated with the imca. >> > > I think collectors and buyers should boycott everyone NOT associated with the > IMCA. > ...Ray... > IMCA #4235 > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] boycott imca
I support Mr. Andrews completely. Anyone bright enough to figure out the mouse and keyboard..that can read, should have seen this one coming down the trail a long way off. This whole issue reminds me a bit of good old Forest Gump. Stewpid-izz-azz-stewpid-duz! Who would love to say more on this issue. Dave Freeman DNAndrews wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve the scapegoat. How convenient. An impotent organization flexed it's flabby muscles and worked over the least of it's brethren. Sickening. I think collectors should boycott anyone associated with the imca. Bill Scapegoat? I can't believe how nieve some of you are. If one was to actually read their emails over the last year, one would understand why the IMCA did what they did. Rhett Bhourland isn't a "board member" any longer, so he is acting on his ownnot in the interest of the IMCA. (And that's just Steve's word on things and not fact). Look listen and learn. There are many list members (other than IMCA) that have had issues with Scapegoat Steve for quite sometime now. That's all I will say on the issue, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The on-topic part is in the 10th paragraph
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0504/08rebirth/ Old star's rebirth gives astronomers surprises NATIONAL RADIO ASTRONOMY OBSERVATORY NEWS RELEASE Posted: April 8, 2005 Astronomers using the National Science Foundation's Very Large Array (VLA) radio telescope are taking advantage of a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to watch an old star suddenly stir back into new activity after coming to the end of its normal life. Their surprising results have forced them to change their ideas of how such an old, white dwarf star can re-ignite its nuclear furnace for one final blast of energy. Computer simulations had predicted a series of events that would follow such a re-ignition of fusion reactions, but the star didn't follow the script -- events moved 100 times more quickly than the simulations predicted. "We've now produced a new theoretical model of how this process works, and the VLA observations have provided the first evidence supporting our new model," said Albert Zijlstra, of the University of Manchester in the United Kingdom. Zijlstra and his colleagues presented their findings in the April 8 issue of the journal Science. The astronomers studied a star known as V4334 Sgr, in the constellation Sagittarius. It is better known as "Sakurai's Object," after Japanese amateur astronomer Yukio Sakurai, who discovered it on February 20, 1996, when it suddenly burst into new brightness. At first, astronomers thought the outburst was a common nova explosion, but further study showed that Sakurai's Object was anything but common. The star is an old white dwarf that had run out of hydrogen fuel for nuclear fusion reactions in its core. Astronomers believe that some such stars can undergo a final burst of fusion in a shell of helium that surrounds a core of heavier nuclei such as carbon and oxygen. However, the outburst of Sakurai's Object is the first such blast seen in modern times. Stellar outbursts observed in 1670 and 1918 may have been caused by the same phenomenon. Astronomers expect the Sun to become a white dwarf in about five billion years. A white dwarf is a dense core left after a star's normal, fusion-powered life has ended. A teaspoon of white dwarf material would weigh about 10 tons. White dwarfs can have masses up to 1.4 times that of the Sun; larger stars collapse at the end of their lives into even-denser neutron stars or black holes. Computer simulations indicated that heat-spurred convection (or "boiling") would bring hydrogen from the star's outer envelope down into the helium shell, driving a brief flash of new nuclear fusion. This would cause a sudden increase in brightness. The original computer models suggested a sequence of observable events that would occur over a few hundred years. "Sakurai's object went through the first phases of this sequence in just a few years -- 100 times faster than we expected -- so we had to revise our models," Zijlstra said. The revised models predicted that the star should rapidly reheat and begin to ionize gases in its surrounding region. "This is what we now see in our latest VLA observations," Zijlstra said. "It's important to understand this process. Sakurai's Object has ejected a large amount of the carbon from its innner core into space, both in the form of gas and dust grains. These will find their way into regions of space where new stars form, and the dust grains may become incorporated in new planets. Some carbon grains found in a meteorite show isotope ratios identical to those found in Sakurai's Object, and we think they may have come from such an event. Our results suggest this source for cosmic carbon may be far more important than we suspected before," Zijlstra added. The scientists continue to observe Sakurai's Object to take advantage of the rare opportunity to learn about the process of re-ignition. They are making new VLA observations just this month. Their new models predict that the star will heat very quickly, then slowly cool again, cooling back to its current temperature about the year 2200. They think there will be one more reheating episode before it starts its final cooling to a stellar cinder. Zijlstra worked with Marcin Hajduk of the University of Manchester and Nikolaus Copernicus University, Torun, Poland; Falk Herwig of Los Alamos National Laboratory; Peter A.M. van Hoof of Queen's University in Belfast and the Royal Observatory of Belgium; Florian Kerber of the European Southern Observatory in Germany; Stefan Kimeswenger of the University of Innsbruck, Austria; Don Pollacco of Queen's University in Belfast; Aneurin Evans of Keele University in Staffordshire, UK; Jose Lopez of the National Autonomous University of Mexico in Ensenada; Myfanwe Bryce of Jodrell Bank Observatory in the UK; Stewart P.S. Eyres of the University of Central Lancashire in the UK; and Mikako Matsuura of the University of Manchester. The National Radio Astronomy Observatory is a facility of th
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
Graham Christensen Wrote: btw, I went meteorite hunting today for the first time in a couple years! And I found...*drumroll*...scrap metal! Graham Maria Sheepishly Adds: I am so desperate to find "something" walking fields every single day looking for meteorites that I have started to fill my rock bag with scrap pieces of metal, miscellaneous junk, gum wrappers, fast food containers and the occasional bolt, screw and nail. While I may not be ridding the world of those pesky meteorites laying everywhere, I am providing some job security to our garbage collection service employees. (Of course I look the metal stuff over really carefully one more time just in case space rocks could actually weather to look like one of those rusted old metal pop lids.) Sick. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] boycott imca
Dave, If that's the case your name and number are just about due as well. Bill -- Original message -- From: David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I support Mr. Andrews completely. > Anyone bright enough to figure out the mouse and keyboard..that > can read, should have seen this one coming down the trail a long way off. > > This whole issue reminds me a bit of good old Forest Gump. > Stewpid-izz-azz-stewpid-duz! > > Who would love to say more on this issue. > Dave Freeman > > > DNAndrews wrote: > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> Steve the scapegoat. How convenient. An impotent organization flexed > >> it's flabby muscles and worked over the least of it's brethren. > >> Sickening. I think collectors should boycott anyone associated with > >> the imca. > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > > Scapegoat? I can't believe how nieve some of you are. If one was to > > actually read their emails over the last year, one would understand > > why the IMCA did what they did. Rhett Bhourland isn't a "board > > member" any longer, so he is acting on his ownnot in the interest > > of the IMCA. (And that's just Steve's word on things and not fact). > > Look listen and learn. There are many list members (other than IMCA) > > that have had issues with Scapegoat Steve for quite sometime now. > > > > That's all I will say on the issue, > > Dave > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Boycott??
that sure is a nice attitude there Ray, "Join our group or die". I am not an IMCA member, for many reasons I am not interested in discussing here. Bob Haag isn't a member either, be sure and boycott him. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Boycott?? In a message dated 4/10/2005 11:15:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I think collectors should boycott anyone associated with the imca. >> I think collectors and buyers should boycott everyone NOT associated with the IMCA. ...Ray... IMCA #4235 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Boycott??
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:21:58 -0700, "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >that sure is a nice attitude there Ray, >"Join our group or die". >I am not an IMCA member, for many reasons I am not interested in discussing >here. Bob Haag isn't a member either, be sure and boycott him. I, personally, question the judgment of an organization so careless as to choose a name with an abbeviation that makes a Village People song become stuck in one's head every time that it is mentioned. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
Do you also exclude that these threats couldn't be but a "red herring" made from and to the same person? It has been done before. Very effectively! A deflection technique seen daily in the domestic courts and on certain discussion list and news groups...Hum. Elton Darren Garrison wrote: Judging from the kinds of posts that cropped up on that blog (from people with obvious knowledge of the list, so it wasn't just random passers-by) I have no problem at all believing that some people reading this list, given the shroud of anonymity, would make those kinds of threats. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
To whoever you are, It's nice that we are enlightened of your opinions. Now if you want to carry on a conversation please do us the courtesy of sighing your posts. Dan Wray - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! There isn't any reason > to be shocked by my responses.They are just my point of view, and > whether or not anyone else shares my views doesn't bother me at all. > There are more important things to lose sleep over than whether or not we > should be informed why a member has been canned. > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is it??
Actually folks..there IS a glass impactite found at Meteor Crater. I have read the research long ago but not sure Iremember what it looks like. I even think HHN wrote about it. Elton Jan Bartels wrote: Hi List, A few weeks ago when we got married at the Meteor Crater one of the crewmembers gave us a private rim tour. As a kind of wedding gift he gave us this piece of glass like material which he found on the rim some thirteen years ago . It has some grayish flakes included and even clearly visible flowlines. It has a kind of tektite like exterior. It is no fulgurite for sure but what is it?? Anyone who can help us with this?. I haven't seen any of this before. http://www.heavenlybodies.nl/mercurius/images3/glassz.jpg http://www.heavenlybodies.nl/mercurius/images3/glass2z.jpg Thanks!! Jan www.heavenlybodies.nl IMCA# 9833 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detect meteorites?
Are you using a metal detector or just visual? I do both. I use a metal detector but at the same time I have a magnet on a short flexable stick on my belt so that if I see anything on the surface I can probe at it quickly and then return to sweeping with the detector. I hate it when the detector goes off and I dig for 5 minutes to find a pipe or something. I wonder if it's possible to use microwaves to detect meteorites? Conductive metal will backscatter microwaves and can be detected by an appropriate instrument (this is how radar works). Perhaps it's possible to send a beam of microwaves into the ground over a large area and see what comes back. If you use a fairly short wavelength you might be able to resolve images of what's under the ground. Short wavelength microwaves would probably be needed to detect a chondrite because long wavelengths would probably not couple to the metal very well and be reflected. An iron however should show up quite easily. The only problem with short wavelengths is that they are absorbed pretty quickly by water so they would have trouble penetrating wet ground. It would work great in a sandy desert though I'm sure. Just a thought Graham ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Maria Haas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! Graham Christensen Wrote: btw, I went meteorite hunting today for the first time in a couple years! And I found...*drumroll*...scrap metal! Graham Maria Sheepishly Adds: I am so desperate to find "something" walking fields every single day looking for meteorites that I have started to fill my rock bag with scrap pieces of metal, miscellaneous junk, gum wrappers, fast food containers and the occasional bolt, screw and nail. While I may not be ridding the world of those pesky meteorites laying everywhere, I am providing some job security to our garbage collection service employees. (Of course I look the metal stuff over really carefully one more time just in case space rocks could actually weather to look like one of those rusted old metal pop lids.) Sick. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is it??
Elton noted: "Actually folks..there IS a glass impactite found at Meteor Crater. I have read the research long ago but not sure Iremember what it looks like. I even think HHN wrote about it." You are correct Elton, but the impactite looks like Monturique impactitewhich is also glass. when you melt just about any two or more rocks together you get glass. Not window glass, but glass. Michael is correct on it being burned trash. This was a bunch of it on the side of the storage hill a couple of years ago. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is it??
I'm pretty sure I have some of this meteor crater glass. A friend of mine visited the crater a couple years ago and he found a brown bubbly rock with small white chunks in it that weakly sticks to a magnet. Mark Bostick sent me a piece of monturaqui impactite to compare and they do seem quite similar except that the meteor crater specimen has smaller bubbles and isn't as shiny. There's a picture of it here: http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter/impact.html (top left picture) ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "MARK BOSTICK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What is it?? Elton noted: "Actually folks..there IS a glass impactite found at Meteor Crater. I have read the research long ago but not sure Iremember what it looks like. I even think HHN wrote about it." You are correct Elton, but the impactite looks like Monturique impactitewhich is also glass. when you melt just about any two or more rocks together you get glass. Not window glass, but glass. Michael is correct on it being burned trash. This was a bunch of it on the side of the storage hill a couple of years ago. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I mean...
it's like the kind of impactite that Mark is talking about, but I haven't seen anything like what Jan has. That's really wierd. O.o Graham ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Graham Christensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MARK BOSTICK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What is it?? I'm pretty sure I have some of this meteor crater glass. A friend of mine visited the crater a couple years ago and he found a brown bubbly rock with small white chunks in it that weakly sticks to a magnet. Mark Bostick sent me a piece of monturaqui impactite to compare and they do seem quite similar except that the meteor crater specimen has smaller bubbles and isn't as shiny. There's a picture of it here: http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter/impact.html (top left picture) ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "MARK BOSTICK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What is it?? Elton noted: "Actually folks..there IS a glass impactite found at Meteor Crater. I have read the research long ago but not sure Iremember what it looks like. I even think HHN wrote about it." You are correct Elton, but the impactite looks like Monturique impactitewhich is also glass. when you melt just about any two or more rocks together you get glass. Not window glass, but glass. Michael is correct on it being burned trash. This was a bunch of it on the side of the storage hill a couple of years ago. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Boycott??
we are lucky you are not a IMCA member seen what you say to others meteorite dealers and collectors --- Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that sure is a nice attitude there Ray, > "Join our group or die". > I am not an IMCA member, for many reasons I am not > interested in discussing > here. Bob Haag isn't a member either, be sure and > boycott him. > Mike Farmer > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:33 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Boycott?? > > > > In a message dated 4/10/2005 11:15:56 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > << I think collectors should boycott anyone > associated with the imca. >> > > > > I think collectors and buyers should boycott > everyone NOT associated with > > the > > IMCA. > > ...Ray... > > IMCA #4235 > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Supposed Threats to Steve Arnold
Hello List, I've purposely stayed out of this fray for a reason. The anonymous person who goes by the name Meteoritepolice CC'd me the letter he sent to Steve. He must have observed at some time in the past that I'm not a member of the Steve Arnold Fan Club and felt he would be safe in sharing the letter with me. I suggested he not post his letter to Steve to the entire Meteorite List and he agreed. I do not know who this Meteoritepolice person is, nor do I agree with all of the issues he addresses in his letter, but, I will say the following. Although some of the content was sarcastic and heavy-handed, he did not accuse Steve of anything he hasn't been guilty of. And he certainly DID NOT threaten Steve in any way. There may be some of you who think I have a biased opinion in this matter so I have sent a copy of said letter to a few people who can read it themselves and let the rest of you know if they perceived any threats or not. If Meteoritepolice contacts me again and says I can share the content of the letter with a few more of you I will be glad to do so. Maybe then the truth will come out. Red herring? Smoke screen? Damage control? Call it what you want, but that's what I think is going on here. There is an issue that I wish one of our list members would share with the entire list so all of you can see Steve in his true light. This incident involved the sale of a Chiang Khan specimen and some money that was promised for the relief efforts in the Tsunami Disaster last December. Hopefully someone will stand up and have the courage to tell the story. Regards, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is it??
Hello All, A few years ago I traveled to Meteor Crater with my father and older brother. While we were there we did stop a few (~5-10) miles from the crater, on public land near the highway. While there we found an excellent ammonite, en matrix and a couple of small impactite specimens. They are exactly as Nininger described them (on page 119 of "Arizona's Meteorite Crater." They are nearly opaque and the interior is slightly lighter in color than a dark green bottle, the exterior surface exhibiting a grey/black crust of fused sand (the desert varnished one is grey, the formerly buried one is still black). While I was working at the UCLA meteoritics lab the next summer I took one up to get it set in epoxy and cut. The cut surface revealed a small number of tiny shiny flecks of metal. If there's anyone out there willing to make a thin section of it for me, please contact me -- as long as it's not too expensive I should be able to afford it. It's already prepared for grinding -- I made a pretty thin parallel slice. If I have a thin section made I can get it looked at by some of the folks up at UCLA with some seriously high tech equipment and they should be able to define its origin. I can give pictures to anyone who wants them -- I have no idea how to put pictures on a site, or a site to put them on for that matter. Jan's specimen could be impactite, however perfectly clear glass would point to a removal of all (or nearly all) impurities before smelting suggesting that it is a man-made artifact. Also, definition of "flow lines" on the surface would have to have been caused by etching from acid from the ground -- a piece of silica would never survive for that long unchanged on the surface of the desert. Most ~5 year old bottles in the Mojave show minor pitting due to sandblasting. A piece of glass that old and in such good condition would have to have been buried, and therefor exposed to acids in the ground. Many indochinites display etching that did eat away at slightly less resistant internal layers, creating the illusion of flow lines when in fact the internal structure is what is really visible. So...it is possible that Jan's piece of glass is in fact an impactite, however, its color and complete transparency point towards a man-made form of creation. Regards, Jason On Apr 10, 2005 9:49 PM, E. L. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually folks..there IS a glass impactite found at Meteor Crater. I > have read the research long ago but not sure Iremember what it looks > like. I even think HHN wrote about it. > > Elton > > Jan Bartels wrote: > > >Hi List, > > > >A few weeks ago when we got married at the Meteor Crater one of the > >crewmembers gave us a private rim tour. As a kind of wedding gift he gave > >us this piece of glass like material which he found on the rim some > >thirteen years ago . It has some grayish flakes included and even clearly > >visible flowlines. It has a kind of tektite like exterior. It is no > >fulgurite for sure but what is it?? > > > >Anyone who can help us with this?. I haven't seen any of this before. > > > >http://www.heavenlybodies.nl/mercurius/images3/glassz.jpg > > > >http://www.heavenlybodies.nl/mercurius/images3/glass2z.jpg > > > >Thanks!! > >Jan > >www.heavenlybodies.nl > >IMCA# 9833 > > > > > > > >__ > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
