[meteorite-list] NWA 4485 boast
Hi, Just a word to boast that I am the very proud owner of a 0.315g slice of the new KREEP-rich lunar thanks to Martin Altmann and Stefan Ralew of Chladni's Heirs! This is an astonishingly rare lunar (TKW 188g) - paired with Greg and Adam s find - incredible under the 'scope and it has really helped me to research and understand some of the complexities of Lunar evolution. I am grateful for the opportunity to acquire this material at a VERY acceptable price and I am amazed at my own reaction and sense of wonderment of this rock. I really need to know more about what I am seeing! Good call, Chladni folk! best! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - March 31, 2007
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime
Armando, I don't know whether it's to indiscreet, but allow me a question: What's your age? Each collector, each museum, each lab can acquire from the meteorite dealers partslices, fullslices, endcuts, whole stones and in most cases also the main masses of those stones, where also micromounts are sold. So where is your problem? You don't want to buy small pieces, you don't want to buy large pieces, therefore you obviously don't know, what you want else than to complain. That's a behaviour of an uneducated child. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Armando Afonso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 31. März 2007 13:46 An: Michael Farmer; Martin Altmann; 'Thaddeus Besedin'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime Sorry Mike. I am back OK, but in compensation, you are here all the time. I forget all the time how sensitive you are... Yes, it is ridiculous to make coins, frogs and Mickey mouses from meteorites. This materials deserve a bit more respect than that. Ridiculous too, is to reduce interesting meteorites to dust, only to be abble of selling them (in little bags of 1mg) to children. A piece of Mars, wow! I dont think that this is a service to science. To collect this things is acceptable, but the specimen value should be preserved. This are rocks, so the texture and structural features should be visible in the smallest specimens, or their pedagogic value is reduced to zero. The chemical composition should be preserved. Engine oil, acrylic resin substituting olivine do not comply with my definition of cosmic material. If the concern is the conservation of the meteorites, they should be de-hidrated and stored in inert gases, maybe in nice glass containers, why not? Please excuse me again. Warm regards. AA - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Armando Afonso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Thaddeus Besedin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime > Armando is back, I knew it would not take long for him > to start calling people names again. > Michael Farmer > --- Armando Afonso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi Martin. >> You are nearly to be erradicated from the list, >> acused of beeing a >> comunist... >> Each time I spoke against this and others >> "scientific" uses of meteorites I >> was insulted by the pirates. >> I warned you. >> AA >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'Thaddeus Besedin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >> >> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44 AM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and >> other ridiculous wastes >> oftime >> >> >> Hi Thaddeus, >> >> what are your suggestions to improve those >> circumstances? >> >> For me personally, it would be interesting, how many >> of the list members >> opine, that meteorites shouldn't be objects of >> commerce. >> >> Can somebody set up a poll? >> >> Martin >> >> >> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Im Auftrag von Thaddeus >> Besedin >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. März 2007 07:38 >> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other >> ridiculous wastes of >> time >> >> List, >> Do we need Franklin Mint-esque coins to hype the >> insuperable wonder of >> actual meteoritic material free of made-to-order >> home shopping network (no >> trademark) gimmick? >> These rank amongst the greatest achievements of Mike >> Farmer, capitalist of >> little self-control and imagination. Give us rocks, >> and that's it: you sell >> rocks. Collectors can become humorously obsessive >> when all reference to our >> target interests are accepted. Coins will distract >> from oxidation, >> reduction, recrystallization, and chondrules. >> -Thaddeus Besedin >> >> >> It's here! Your new message! >> Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. >> >> __ >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> __ >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 4472 KREEP-rich
Hi Dave and List Yes, NWA 4472 is great KREEP-rich Lunar material and if you ever want first-hand classification information on anything we have, feel free to contact me or the NomCom-approved scientist's for anything we have brought to the meteorite community. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: "Dave Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "metlist" Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 4485 boast Hi, Just a word to boast that I am the very proud owner of a 0.315g slice of the new KREEP-rich lunar thanks to Martin Altmann and Stefan Ralew of Chladni's Heirs! This is an astonishingly rare lunar (TKW 188g) - paired with Greg and Adam s find - incredible under the 'scope and it has really helped me to research and understand some of the complexities of Lunar evolution. I am grateful for the opportunity to acquire this material at a VERY acceptable price and I am amazed at my own reaction and sense of wonderment of this rock. I really need to know more about what I am seeing! Good call, Chladni folk! best! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 4472 KREEP-rich
Yep, and those, who missed the opportunity to take advantage from Greg's sales of NWA 4472, which is sold out, (isn't it?) as it was a 64g-stone "only" (not that bad, if you remember that Apollo 12 brought back only a single 88g KREEP first) has now the opportunity to acquire a slice from its bigger KREEPy brother NWA 4485. All 3 KREEPs had together a total tkw of 564grams, making it to the rarest type of all. Exciting material (also historically seen, as Kreep helped a lot to understand how the Moon once formed). All the Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Greg Hupe Gesendet: Samstag, 31. März 2007 15:39 An: Dave Harris Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA 4472 KREEP-rich Hi Dave and List Yes, NWA 4472 is great KREEP-rich Lunar material and if you ever want first-hand classification information on anything we have, feel free to contact me or the NomCom-approved scientist's for anything we have brought to the meteorite community. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: "Dave Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "metlist" Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 4485 boast > Hi, > > Just a word to boast that I am the very proud owner of a 0.315g slice of > the > new KREEP-rich lunar thanks to Martin Altmann and Stefan Ralew of > Chladni's > Heirs! > > This is an astonishingly rare lunar (TKW 188g) - paired with Greg and > Adam > s find - incredible under the 'scope and it has really helped me to > research > and understand some of the complexities of Lunar evolution. > > I am grateful for the opportunity to acquire this material at a VERY > acceptable price and I am amazed at my own reaction and sense of > wonderment > of this rock. > > I really need to know more about what I am seeing! > > Good call, Chladni folk! > > best! > > > > Dave > IMCA #0092 > Sec.BIMS > www.bimsociety.org > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime
My god Armando, We are not talking about Mars rock here, we are talking about Campo del Cielo, a meteorite with HUNDREDS, actually THOUSANDS of TONS of material. Now, I do not break up Campo to make the coins, I buy the shredded and tumbled scraps from people who do cut them up, they are the large crystals which actually fall apart when the meteorite is cut/smashed apart. They are pretty much useless since most weigh 1 gram or less. So I found a unique usage for them, and people can enjoy a tiny piece of meteorite with information on the coin, rather than in a plastic baggie. Give me a break Armando, this is getting old, grow up and if you do not like what I am doing, keep it to yourself, or buy up all the Campo on the market. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry Mike. > I am back OK, but in compensation, you are here all > the time. > I forget all the time how sensitive you are... > Yes, it is ridiculous to make coins, frogs and > Mickey mouses from > meteorites. > This materials deserve a bit more respect than that. > Ridiculous too, is to reduce interesting meteorites > to dust, only to be > abble of selling them (in little bags of 1mg) to > children. A piece of Mars, > wow! > I dont think that this is a service to science. > To collect this things is acceptable, but the > specimen value should be > preserved. > This are rocks, so the texture and structural > features should be visible in > the smallest specimens, or their pedagogic value is > reduced to zero. > The chemical composition should be preserved. > Engine oil, acrylic resin substituting olivine do > not comply with my > definition of cosmic material. > If the concern is the conservation of the > meteorites, they should be > de-hidrated and stored in inert gases, maybe in nice > glass containers, why > not? > Please excuse me again. > Warm regards. > AA > > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Armando Afonso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > "Martin Altmann" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Thaddeus Besedin'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:45 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and > other ridiculous wastes > oftime > > > > Armando is back, I knew it would not take long for > him > > to start calling people names again. > > Michael Farmer > > --- Armando Afonso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > >> Hi Martin. > >> You are nearly to be erradicated from the list, > >> acused of beeing a > >> comunist... > >> Each time I spoke against this and others > >> "scientific" uses of meteorites I > >> was insulted by the pirates. > >> I warned you. > >> AA > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Martin Altmann" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "'Thaddeus Besedin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > >> > >> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44 AM > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and > >> other ridiculous wastes > >> oftime > >> > >> > >> Hi Thaddeus, > >> > >> what are your suggestions to improve those > >> circumstances? > >> > >> For me personally, it would be interesting, how > many > >> of the list members > >> opine, that meteorites shouldn't be objects of > >> commerce. > >> > >> Can somebody set up a poll? > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> > >> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Im Auftrag von Thaddeus > >> Besedin > >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. März 2007 07:38 > >> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and > other > >> ridiculous wastes of > >> time > >> > >> List, > >> Do we need Franklin Mint-esque coins to hype the > >> insuperable wonder of > >> actual meteoritic material free of made-to-order > >> home shopping network (no > >> trademark) gimmick? > >> These rank amongst the greatest achievements of > Mike > >> Farmer, capitalist of > >> little self-control and imagination. Give us > rocks, > >> and that's it: you sell > >> rocks. Collectors can become humorously obsessive > >> when all reference to our > >> target interests are accepted. Coins will > distract > >> from oxidation, > >> reduction, recrystallization, and chondrules. > >> -Thaddeus Besedin > >> > >> > >> It's here! Your new message! > >> Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! > Toolbar. > >> > >> __ > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > >> > >> __ > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > > > > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins - speaking with myself...
Hi Armando, perhaps that last answer was to rude.. I think, that what you aren't able to see, if you construct your artificial conflict between commerce and science, is that "science", if we over-simplify, seems not to have a greater interest in new hot-desert-finds or new finds elsewhere, as no attempts and efforts are done aside the Antarctic campains. That circumstance isn't a problem of commercialisation but a problem of science & research politics. We don't have to discuss, that the last 200 years the museums, universities and other institutions acquired their meteorites almost only in buying them. The largest private collections were bought by the institutions - the Ward-Coonley collection, the Nininger collection, the Zeitschel collection... and those were meteorite dealers, if you want so. And museums and universities were still buying and trading in the 1990ies. This situation has changed and that although due to the Sahara and Oman rush, meteorites are nowadays so cheap and manifold, also the rarest types, like never before in history. Well, Armando, and if you look around, it seems that meteoritics isn't directly one of the "sexy" fields of science anymore. Meteorites in general are not part anymore of the curricula in the universitary education of geology, mineralogy students, at best they play the role of exotic and whack stuff there. You'll see it, if you're trying to get a meteorite classified, there you'll find only a mere handful of universities, which are able to do it (and if you would have an own website, you would get in from time to time stones with an analyse of an university, where from the data almost everyone on the list here could immediately exclude, that the stone is a meteorite, but according the paper it is one or at least as a summary the lab can't exclude that it might be a meteorite. - see also the always weeks-lasting theatre, if a pretended meteorite had fallen, until the disclaimer is published). And there you have to look for the problem, if some few scientist bemoan that meteorites are commercialised and that they wouldn't have the budgets to keep up with the private collectorship. It's not about the dealers, it's not about the prices - meteorites are so cheap as they never were before (and won't be again in future), it's their low budget. And that's in my eyes a problem of university and science politics, a structural problem. Rationally the argument of missing funds is hardly explainable. Take the annual university budgets spent for equipment, resources, manpower in fields of science like medicine, genetics, biochemistry, physics, fundamental research, robotics, computer science...which are more en vogue today. Each department, each professor has to apply for the equipment and resources for his lab and has to explain his research project, I guess, with meteorite scientists it won't be that different? And there it is for me at least unitelligible, that in trying to get a better financial equipment, the status of meteoritics seems not to be treated adequately as that what it is, as 1st hand Space Exploration (what else?). Theoretically fullfledged and equitable to space flight missions and Earth-based measuring and observation systems and devices. And Armando, about what for amounts of meteorites are we talking? The desert rush in Sahara and Oman resulted in a few metric tons of meteorites, distributed in a period of a decade, most of them cheapest chondrites. So all in all we are talking about a few million dollars, scattered over 10 years worldwide, a fly-poo compared to the budgets spent for the before mentioned scientific subjects and especially compared to space flight. Check the budget plans for the universities by your own. And nobody can tell me, that if it is possible to send out each year a mars probe, a dozen observational satellites, or even to built up a manned space station, where the astronauts find out, whether the legs of a polliwog will grow in Zero gravity on its back or on its belly, or if each larger university has a fat budget for the mentioned subjects or is able to get help from commercial sponsors, that the international community of "science" wouldn't have been in principal able to buy ALL meteorites which were found during the last years! The costs for that would have equalled perhaps the fiftieth part of a single space shuttle launch and that distributed over 10 or 7 years. It is a deplorable defect that the few meteorite scientist obviously aren't able to clarify the importance and the significance (and the low costs seen to the scientifical gain) of their subject, but for that, Armando, you can't accuse the meteorite dealers! We aren't in the position to do the job of the scientists to get a more sufficient budget, we aren't entitled for that. And that it would be possible, you can observe e.g. at the universities in Switzerland, they cooperate with the Omani institutions, they do their field trips and they were successful
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins! A-1
Hi Mike & All, Some people just don't get it! It's an individuals choice on what they want to buy, based on what individuals see, like or collect for themselves. This item that Mike and Jim produced is very unique indeed; even though the Meteorite that was used is not a rare one, and is ALSO very abundant. But.the fact that the meteorite IS placed on a descriptive coin IS very unique though! This is why people like me buy it! Mike & Jim are merely delivering an item that (most) people really enjoy. One thing is for certain.you sure is hell can't please "all of the people all of the time." Don't sweat it Mike! And you others who do not like what Mike is selling.so what!.don't buy it then!...and stop complaining already. Nuff said... Kirk - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Armando Afonso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Thaddeus Besedin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastesoftime My god Armando, We are not talking about Mars rock here, we are talking about Campo del Cielo, a meteorite with HUNDREDS, actually THOUSANDS of TONS of material. Now, I do not break up Campo to make the coins, I buy the shredded and tumbled scraps from people who do cut them up, they are the large crystals which actually fall apart when the meteorite is cut/smashed apart. They are pretty much useless since most weigh 1 gram or less. So I found a unique usage for them, and people can enjoy a tiny piece of meteorite with information on the coin, rather than in a plastic baggie. Give me a break Armando, this is getting old, grow up and if you do not like what I am doing, keep it to yourself, or buy up all the Campo on the market. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry Mike. I am back OK, but in compensation, you are here all the time. I forget all the time how sensitive you are... Yes, it is ridiculous to make coins, frogs and Mickey mouses from meteorites. This materials deserve a bit more respect than that. Ridiculous too, is to reduce interesting meteorites to dust, only to be abble of selling them (in little bags of 1mg) to children. A piece of Mars, wow! I dont think that this is a service to science. To collect this things is acceptable, but the specimen value should be preserved. This are rocks, so the texture and structural features should be visible in the smallest specimens, or their pedagogic value is reduced to zero. The chemical composition should be preserved. Engine oil, acrylic resin substituting olivine do not comply with my definition of cosmic material. If the concern is the conservation of the meteorites, they should be de-hidrated and stored in inert gases, maybe in nice glass containers, why not? Please excuse me again. Warm regards. AA - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Armando Afonso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Thaddeus Besedin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime > Armando is back, I knew it would not take long for him > to start calling people names again. > Michael Farmer > --- Armando Afonso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi Martin. >> You are nearly to be erradicated from the list, >> acused of beeing a >> comunist... >> Each time I spoke against this and others >> "scientific" uses of meteorites I >> was insulted by the pirates. >> I warned you. >> AA >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'Thaddeus Besedin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >> >> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44 AM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and >> other ridiculous wastes >> oftime >> >> >> Hi Thaddeus, >> >> what are your suggestions to improve those >> circumstances? >> >> For me personally, it would be interesting, how many >> of the list members >> opine, that meteorites shouldn't be objects of >> commerce. >> >> Can somebody set up a poll? >> >> Martin >> >> >> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Im Auftrag von Thaddeus >> Besedin >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. März 2007 07:38 >> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other >> ridiculous wastes of >> time >> >> List, >> Do we need Franklin Mint-esque coins to hype the >> insuperable wonder of >> actual meteoritic material free of made-to-order >> home shopping network (no >> trademark) gimmick? >> These rank amongst the greatest achievements of Mike >> Farmer, capitalist of >> little self-control and imagination. Give us rocks, >> and that's it: you sell >> rocks. Collec
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - March 29, 2007
Recently there was an interesting TV [I think the History Channel]special on the theoretical origin of Libyan Desert Glass. It proposed a Tunguska like air burst, in relatively recent geologic time in what was then an entirely different ecologic environment. Although the event proposed was several orders of magnitude greater than the Siberian catastrophe, the area effected was in no way the present spread of the Libyan field. Because of the Water in the what is the today's desert, the Glass was spread to its present area, [I think they said the area of Rhode Island]by drainage and swift flowing currents. Did anyone else see the show or hear of this theory? Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - March 29, 2007 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/March_29_2007.html ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] KREEP and SAU 169
So, in the process of googling around I see that the only other KREEP rock (other than the Hupe's and Chladni's paired specimens) is SAU 169 - which, as far as I can tell has not been distributed into any private hands (correct me, of course!) The thing is about SAU 169 is that they have a pretty good idea which crater the bugger was finally launched to Earth from, by careful and I think clever analysis of the petrological history of the rock ( see http://tinyurl com/ytufj6 ) they have managed to confidently predict which crater launched it into the orbit that finally hit the Earth. So, any ideas regarding the paired KREEP rocks and their 'parent' location? ciao! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime
Actually you insulted everyone on this list, calling dealers "pirates" again. Of course you have a right to your opinion as does everyone else, but when you start calling names, then your opinion no longer matters. since you have used the term "pirate" to directly impugn myself, and the post was resulting from my objects, let me see, h, perhaps I should conclude that as usual, you are speaking about me? 90% of them time the only posts you make are directed at belittling me, you respond only to my posts or to someone else about me. You do not respond to other people's subject, you do not trash other people's meteorite objects, meteorite expeditions, or anything else, only things to do with Michael Farmer I am sick of it, as I have told you quite publicly many times. Yet you keep coming. Why? Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Mike, > I only agreed with a previously posted topic. I am > not alone in this > position, then. > Further to that, I didn´t address or refer myself > directly to anyone. > But I should know by now that it is impossible to > express anything in this > list (a club of sellers, actually) without this > result. > That is true. > I abominate the little sculptures and other > artifacts made from meteorites, > devaluated oiled and "cleaned" specimens. > I hate the so-called micros of 1 mg, too. > They have no value as specimens, honestly. > That was my message.Only that. > I know, that is your business, but you have no > reason to jump on me again. > Warm regards > AA > > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Armando Afonso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > "Martin Altmann" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Thaddeus Besedin'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and > other ridiculous wastes > oftime > > > > My god Armando, > > We are not talking about Mars rock here, we are > > talking about Campo del Cielo, a meteorite with > > HUNDREDS, actually THOUSANDS of TONS of material. > Now, > > I do not break up Campo to make the coins, I buy > the > > shredded and tumbled scraps from people who do cut > > them up, they are the large crystals which > actually > > fall apart when the meteorite is cut/smashed > apart. > > They are pretty much useless since most weigh 1 > gram > > or less. So I found a unique usage for them, and > > people can enjoy a tiny piece of meteorite with > > information on the coin, rather than in a plastic > > baggie. > > Give me a break Armando, this is getting old, grow > up > > and if you do not like what I am doing, keep it to > > yourself, or buy up all the Campo on the market. > > Michael Farmer > > --- Armando Afonso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > >> Sorry Mike. > >> I am back OK, but in compensation, you are here > all > >> the time. > >> I forget all the time how sensitive you are... > >> Yes, it is ridiculous to make coins, frogs and > >> Mickey mouses from > >> meteorites. > >> This materials deserve a bit more respect than > that. > >> Ridiculous too, is to reduce interesting > meteorites > >> to dust, only to be > >> abble of selling them (in little bags of 1mg) to > >> children. A piece of Mars, > >> wow! > >> I dont think that this is a service to science. > >> To collect this things is acceptable, but the > >> specimen value should be > >> preserved. > >> This are rocks, so the texture and structural > >> features should be visible in > >> the smallest specimens, or their pedagogic value > is > >> reduced to zero. > >> The chemical composition should be preserved. > >> Engine oil, acrylic resin substituting olivine do > >> not comply with my > >> definition of cosmic material. > >> If the concern is the conservation of the > >> meteorites, they should be > >> de-hidrated and stored in inert gases, maybe in > nice > >> glass containers, why > >> not? > >> Please excuse me again. > >> Warm regards. > >> AA > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "Armando Afonso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > >> "Martin Altmann" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Thaddeus > Besedin'" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > >> > >> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:45 AM > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and > >> other ridiculous wastes > >> oftime > >> > >> > >> > Armando is back, I knew it would not take long > for > >> him > >> > to start calling people names again. > >> > Michael Farmer > >> > --- Armando Afonso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi Martin. > >> >> You are nearly to be erradicated from the > list, > >> >> acused of beeing a > >> >> comunist... > >> >> Each time I spoke against this and others > >> >> "scientific" uses of meteorites I > >> >> was insulted by the pirates. > >> >> I warned you. > >> >> AA > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> - Original Message - > >> >> From: "Martin Altmann" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> To: "'Thaddeus B
[meteorite-list] Mojave Hunt Images
Dear List, Here are a few images of last week's Mojave hunt: Dancing with dust devils on bike: http://themeteoritesite.com/LakeBedBike.JPG Desert pan search: http://themeteoritesite.com/DesertPanSearch.JPG One dry lake bed is covered with these crystals giving it an almost magical appearance: http://themeteoritesite.com/Crystals.JPG I have no idea what kind of creatures created this strange home: http://themeteoritesite.com/Bughole.JPG A very interesting 38 gram fragment found on the Nevada/California border, my fingers are crossed. There is absolutely no magnetism whatsoever in this piece: http://themeteoritesite.com/Rock-1a.jpg http://themeteoritesite.com/Rock-1b.jpg http://themeteoritesite.com/Rock-1c.jpg The most weathered chondrite? I have ever seen found in California: http://themeteoritesite.com/Rock-2a.jpg Rewarded with a gorgeous sunset: http://themeteoritesite.com/Sunset.JPG Team LunarRock mascot: http://themeteoritesite.com/CaptainChondrite.jpg Best Regards, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] KREEP and SAU 169
Almost correct, the small Dho 925/960/961 grouplet was revaluated in January to be also Kreep-bearing, see Korotev's fine scheme: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alumina.htm The rough parent location could be the Mare Imbrium/Oceanus Procellarum region, as - aside in ejecta from a few craters, the lunar prospector probe located KREEP only there, in mapping the whole surface. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Harris Gesendet: Samstag, 31. März 2007 19:02 An: metlist Betreff: [meteorite-list] KREEP and SAU 169 So, in the process of googling around I see that the only other KREEP rock (other than the Hupe's and Chladni's paired specimens) is SAU 169 - which, as far as I can tell has not been distributed into any private hands (correct me, of course!) The thing is about SAU 169 is that they have a pretty good idea which crater the bugger was finally launched to Earth from, by careful and I think clever analysis of the petrological history of the rock ( see http://tinyurl com/ytufj6 ) they have managed to confidently predict which crater launched it into the orbit that finally hit the Earth. So, any ideas regarding the paired KREEP rocks and their 'parent' location? ciao! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] bad posts against mf
Hey armondo what is all the bad postd aginst mike?What he and jim are thier business.If it benefits 1 person,that person are happy and so are they.That is what is all about.Just like me.If all I want to collect is gao meteorites,that is my choice.No one else's!I think you should lay off mike and jim and let them do what they want and you do what you want.Hey doesn't AA mean (ALCHOLIC'S ANONYMOUS)? STEVE ARNOLD Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 4716 [Provisional]
NWA 4716 [Provisional] Sent to Bathurst Observatory in New Zealand in March, 2007 for analysis, this meteorite has been classified by them as H6, S4, W5. Originally I reported 2.08kg as TKW. I have, today, notified them via email that, during slicing and polishing and moving stuff around, I have discovered a second container of the same batch, approximately the same weight, bringing the new TKW to 4.2kg. Upon close inspection of the 'Rosetta Stone' [the one from which the analysis was done] clear areas of 'flecked' metal can be seen set apart from and sometimes intertwined with a beautiful 'tree-like' and 'river-like' metal inclusion pattern. The variety of the balance of this particular mix is amazing to behold from one specimen to another. They are like snowflakes - no two alike. EMP is being performed as I type and full analysis will be complete within a week or so. At that time a lodge will be made with MetSoc for NWA 4716's inclusion in their database. I know I posted about this before, but this time the TKW is correct. The Main Mass of this meteorite, along with the 'Rosetta Stone' from which the analysis piece was sliced, can be seen at; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/nwa4716.html Gary Foote __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Hunt Images
An update, I couldn't remember the name of the crystals on the dry lake bed but Dave Freeman provided me with the answer: The crystals are selenite, or gypsum, an evaporate mineral. The strange home I was told were made by some kind of beetle. The mascot is none other than Captain Chondrite. Best Regards, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cool California Find
Hello All, Usually I don't post find images, but I thought this one from the day before yesterday was pretty cool. http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/DSCN2320.jpg http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/DSCN2315.jpg It's the smallest stone we've ever found, weighing in at ~.5-.6g (our scale can't decide which, and we don't have a good enough one to tell). Gotta love hunting... Regards, Jason __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 4472 KREEP-rich
Hi Martin and other KREEPY friends, I mean no disparagement by my warm greeting ;-) I think a lot of people would like to be the owners of a KREEP-rich Lunar meteorite. Martin wrote: "Greg's sales of NWA 4472, which is sold out, (isn't it?)" No, I am not sold out of NWA 4472, here is a listing of what is still available: NWA 4472 KREEP-rich Lunar Meteorite Specimens: 35.3 gram Main Mass - Photo Link: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4472/nwa4472mainmass1.jpg 2.770g complete slice 1.70g part slice 1.57g part slice 394mg part slice (#1) 394mg part slice (#2) 294mg part slice 254mg part slice 150mg part slice and about 8 smaller pieces. If anyone is interested in any of these or any of the other 20 different planetary meteorites I have available, let me know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get them from the source, whether it be planetary or a rare achondrite, and of course any of the others I have ;-) Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 4472 KREEP-rich Yep, and those, who missed the opportunity to take advantage from Greg's sales of NWA 4472, which is sold out, (isn't it?) as it was a 64g-stone "only" (not that bad, if you remember that Apollo 12 brought back only a single 88g KREEP first) has now the opportunity to acquire a slice from its bigger KREEPy brother NWA 4485. All 3 KREEPs had together a total tkw of 564grams, making it to the rarest type of all. Exciting material (also historically seen, as Kreep helped a lot to understand how the Moon once formed). All the Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Greg Hupe Gesendet: Samstag, 31. März 2007 15:39 An: Dave Harris Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA 4472 KREEP-rich Hi Dave and List Yes, NWA 4472 is great KREEP-rich Lunar material and if you ever want first-hand classification information on anything we have, feel free to contact me or the NomCom-approved scientist's for anything we have brought to the meteorite community. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: "Dave Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "metlist" Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 4485 boast Hi, Just a word to boast that I am the very proud owner of a 0.315g slice of the new KREEP-rich lunar thanks to Martin Altmann and Stefan Ralew of Chladni's Heirs! This is an astonishingly rare lunar (TKW 188g) - paired with Greg and Adam s find - incredible under the 'scope and it has really helped me to research and understand some of the complexities of Lunar evolution. I am grateful for the opportunity to acquire this material at a VERY acceptable price and I am amazed at my own reaction and sense of wonderment of this rock. I really need to know more about what I am seeing! Good call, Chladni folk! best! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cool California Find
Jason wrote: Usually I don't post find images, but I thought this one from the day before yesterday was pretty cool. http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/DSCN2320.jpg http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/DSCN2315.jpg Congratulations! A beautiful, fully crusted, fresh-looking stone! What do you think it is? H5 or H6 maybe? Nothing to base my assumption on, ... only a feeling! Regards, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bad Emails vs Mike
I'm gonna get a pasting for this but I'm saying it anyay. Mike does get a lot of flak from people whom abviously share a view which I describe as "reverse polarity" from ourshowever Mike, you don't do yourself any favours by being so confrontational yourself. Now, personally, I get a perverse pleasure from reading the regular exchanges between Mike and Matteo, Mike and Armando, Mike and the guy who told me to FOAD when I posted that he'd described ORB Elliott as a pirate. I know I'll get blasted for saying you bring it on yourself but you do. Sorry. Personally I like your in your face "screw you" attitude. I love the fact you get up and go wherever a meteorite falls and if one ever falls on the Western Isles of the UK, I've a spare room for you. I'm delighted to do business with you and am honoured to be able to claim that I vaguely know someone like you but... ...Ahh, I hate to say this but I'm going to anyway...Please chill out a bit matey. Most of us appreciate what you do. Those that don't are mostly deluded in some way and none of us really care what they say. There's no need to go so mental about what they say... ...even though I do think meteorite coins, owls, etc are a terrible waste of a good resource. I'm clearly in the minority on that one. Rob McC --- steve arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey armondo what is all the bad postd aginst > mike?What > he and jim are thier business.If it benefits 1 > person,that person are happy and so are they.That is > what is all about.Just like me.If all I want to > collect is gao meteorites,that is my choice.No one > else's!I think you should lay off mike and jim and > let > them do what they want and you do what you want.Hey > doesn't AA mean (ALCHOLIC'S ANONYMOUS)? > > > > > STEVE ARNOLD > > Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! > Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! > www.chicagometeorites.net > Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites > > > > > > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search > Marketing. > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-Park forest and Cumberland Falls
I have some outstanding slices of Park Forest, fresh off the saw. Dual lithology light/dark clasts, totally brecciated. Best I have seen in a couple of years. Also, I have some wire-saw cut Cumberland Falls slices. Email me for details, Matt Morgan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Just to say, "Hi" once again!
Hello everyone once again!
After almost a four year absence, I had an irresistible urge to again
stroll back to the old
neighborhood and see how much or how little it may have changed. It is
rather refreshing to see
many of the same old names I remember from the past, as well as some new
ones, posting, along
with some of the same in-family bickering going on that I so vividly
remember from the past.
Reminds me of one big family sitting around the dinner table with everyone
fighting over the last piece
of pie! :-)
It is really nice to see everyone, or should I say read everyone, once
again -- sort of like
coming home after a long sojourn in the wilderness with all of its
uncertainties and possible dangers, to be
back in safer, and more familiar surroundings, albeit maybe a bit
tumultuous, and testy at times, but never the less, still
a feeling of kinship!
I've been absent for the past couple of years from the meteorite list due
to several reasons, but principally since my wife, Ava, passed away
suddenly and most untimely in an auto accident two years ago this coming
Monday, April 2nd. Personally, things were somewhat tough
before her death, but at least she was there then to help smooth over the
rough terrain, but after her death our one an only child, Gabriel
(now eight) was my one and only true concern.
Although my heart has always remained true to our wondrous, cosmic friends
from above, I had to take a break from
collecting, participating on the list, and even subdue to a major degree,
my once burning desire and interest in reading and educating myself further
on a once most
passionate joy in my life. My son came first above all else, and a very
unwanted adjustment period ensued with the loss of Gabriel's mother, and my
best friend while trying to be both father and mother to Gabriel, and at
the same time trying to cope with my own sense of loss and bewilderment.
Anyway, I also wanted to mention how shocked I was when I rejoined the list
a couple of days ago to hear about Walter Branch being involved in some
sort of auto accident of his own! From the little information I've
gathered thus far, it sounds as if Walter's daughter was involved in the
accident as well,
but that she may have faired much better than he had? I was just somewhat
shocked and dismayed to read of this for I dealt with Walter on several
occasions and found him extremely friendly as well as professional! He was
top drawer as was everyone I've dealt with over the years on this list!
I just offer up my best wishes and prayers for Walter, his wife, and
daughter during this very tragic time in their lives! If anyone has an
email address
that is current for either Walter or his wife, I would like to directly
email them my sympathy, and concern. Also, if anyone would care to do so,
I would also like to
hear how Walter is progressing!
Well, in closing, I'm back to collecting ( already made several purchases
from several dealers on our list and from my past), and on top of that, I
have a very inquisitive
eight year old who just purchased his own VERY FIRST meteorite (actually
several :-) ).
Hope all of you are doing well personally, and meteoritically! {smile}
Best regards to all,
Mal
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Re: [meteorite-list] iron streams? Ed
Hi Ed, and List Just writing to let you know a couple things about your last email "iron streams". I had that message come into my inbox, but it doesn't show on the met-list archives, at least not yet. Likewise, I see messages on the archives from quite recent that never showed up in my inbox. I'm sure there is a logical explanation for all this. I guess I was just wanting to point it out as a possible reason for you not getting a response (on list) to your questions. If you did, they were off-list. About the only way I have found to keep up with some of the current List threads is to refer to the archives every so often and compare those messages with what I get in the inbox. Which is no problem. On your topic of "iron streams", I can't offer anything worthwhile on the relationship between any of those falls, but here is something I saw in an old book titled: "An Encylopædia of Practical Inforfmation and Univeral Formulary for Every Occupation, Trade and Profession" by Robert Bradbury, M.D. Print date of 1889.I just thought this part was interesting and that you might like to see it. "Aerolites, meteors, and falling stars all seem to have a common origin. They are produced by small bodies--planets in miniature-- which are revolving, like our earth, about the sun. Their orbit intersects the orbit of the earth, and if at any time they reach the point of crossing exactly with the earth, there is a collision. Their mass is so small, that the earth is not jarred any more than is a railway train by a pebble thrown against it. These small bodies may come near the earth and drawn to its surface by the power of attraction, or they may simply sweep through the higher regions of the atmosphere, and there escape its grasp; or, finally, they may, under certain conditions, be compelled to revolve many times around the earth as satellites. Indeed, a French astronomer estimates that there is one now circling about the earth at a distance of 5,000 miles, This companion of our moon has a period of three hours and twenty minutes. The average velocity of these meteoric bodies or bolides, as they are frequently called, is thirty-six miles per second--much greater than that of Mercury itself." Best regards, Michael Murray__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite "cutting"
Hello all: Even though I am a "lightweight" in the meteorite world - I want to weigh in on the discussion going on right now concerning cutting meteorites. I am the curator of the Woolard Hinkle Williams Meteorite Collection that belongs to the University of Arkansas at Little Rock. I can't imagine how boring this collection would be if all of the meteorites were just whole lumps. The cut, polished, and etched pieces are educational beyond belief. I could stand and talk all day about what is inside a meteorite - but, it would never make sense to the person on the street. Take for example, the Delaware fall was a single specimen. Had Allan Shaw not cut the Delaware, we may not have the main mass right now in the WHW collection. UALR could never have afforded the whole meteorite. It would be a shame for a meteorite that fell in Arkansas to exist in one piece in one collection - and probably never seen by an Arkansan. I also have a very small personal collection. And although my collection is small - I am very serious about it. I would never have been able to afford whole pieces of any significance. I'm a single mother with a passion for rocks from space, thanks to Robert Woolard and the late John Williams. I recently added 3 pieces to my collection thanks to Robert and Mike Farmer. I can't describe the feeling when I opened the package and found my beautiful Vaca Muerta end piece, a funky SA shrapnel piece, and a small, non-descript, whole Canyon Diablo. When my son's friends drop by the house - I get such a kick out of showing them my small collection. I watch them study the cut pieces with honest interest. I love the look on their faces when I drop a 400 g mundrabilla in their hands - their eyes fly open - surprised at the weight of the chunk. And watch as they try their thumb in each one of the thumbprint indentions. Then I take a small Allende, hold it up under the lamp, and turn it until they see a pop of light from the surface. "What is that?" they ask. I can't resist a wry smile as I drop it in their eager hands and tell them they are holding stardust and diamonds. Then I show them a small sliver of the Delaware. There is just something about a rock from space landing in Arkansas, a few slivers coming to live in my collection, and then being touched by Arkansas kids. It "connects" them to space in a way you just can't fathom until you see the light in their eyes. The most fun is when I tell them the Vaca Muerta is the Dead Cow meteorite - that always elicits a giggle, or five. Imagine, teenagers accidently learning something! I can't wait until I can find a small etched piece to show "my" kids. Never underestimate the value of the "learning opportunity." If Michael Blood is buying the dust and slivers of cut meteorites and selling them in various ways - then I say "YOU GO DUDE!" What would you have folks do - just throw that material away? That would be a travesty. Never cutting a specimen to reveal the beautiful and wonderous insides would be a travesty. Never etching an iron to show the Weidmanstatten would be a travesty. Some of you purists out there may not agree with my point of view. And those of you that don't - obviously NEVER introduced a child to their first meteorite. Pamela Shireman__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: Tennessee fall picture on postcard , Cosby Creek.
** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- Begin Message --- Hello Robin; Cosby Creek is available on the market.Geoff Cintron was selling it when i acquired my specimen from him.I have visually hunted Cosby and,so far,found nothing.There is a good campground there along the creek and a good place to stay and look.Cosby is between Newport and Gatlinburg Tn.A good place to visit and maybe even go to Dollywood in pigeon forge.If you go hunting there or anywhere else,i wish you the best of luck and enjoyment. Best Regards;Herman Archer. East Tennessee. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- End Message --- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cool California Find
Link to our other mascot that does not give nightmares. The meteorite monster protected our valuable finds: http://themeteoritesite.com/Monster.jpg Best Regards, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cool California Find
I think I ran into one of those in the nearly zero visibility river scuba diving I have been doing for fossils here lately! Greg - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cool California Find Link to our other mascot that does not give nightmares. The meteorite monster protected our valuable finds: http://themeteoritesite.com/Monster.jpg Best Regards, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moble phones attract asteroids!
http://www.mobilegazette.com/mobile-phones-to-destroy-earth-07x04x01.htm Will Mobile Phones Destroy the Earth? 1st April 2007 A shock report out this week will show that mobile phones prevent a bigger threat to the environment than anyone has imagined - in fact, it states that continued use of mobile handsets will lead to the extinction of all life on Earth. The claim seems outrageous, but it is backed by solid scientific prove that shows that the next text message you send could be responsible for the end of civilisation as we know it. The work by Professor Frühling Dummkopf of the Luton Institute of Astronomical Research is the first in its field, and it examines the interaction of small bodies such as asteroids, meteors and comets in close earth orbit with the effective of the electromagnetic fields generated by modern cellular devices. We interviewed Professor Dummkopf about these claims in a Mobile Gazette exclusive. MG: Professor Dummkopf - it seems to us that mobile phones are very tiny things and asteroids are quite big things that are a very long way away. Are you saying that the two can interact? Professor: Yes, although of course it takes more than one mobile phone to destroy the earth! MG: So, explain the problem for the benefit of our readers. Professor: It is really very simple. Most asteroids are primarily carbonaceous or silicaceous with a much smaller number of metallic asteroids. Out of this last group, a number of objects seemed to be anomalous. MG: Such as? Professor: Well, 21 Lutetia is probably one you've heard of. That one had been puzzling us for a long time because we couldn't classify it.. however careful observation and research has lead us to believe that it is primarily made from a crystalline Scandium based alloy which forms remarkably regular superlattices that measure 0.3331 metres across, so you can see the problem straight away. MG: Go on. Professor: Well of course, 0.3331 metres is the wavelength of a signal broadcast at 900 MHz. And it's twice the wavelength of a signal broadcast at 1800 MHz. These are the most common frequencies used by mobile phones. Put simply, we discovered that the structure of the superlattice "tuned in" to mobile phone signals. MG: So aliens are listening to our phone conversations? Professor: That would be silly, but what we did discover is that the resonance of the radio signals is causing electromagnetic induction in bodies such as 21 Lutetia which has the effect of shifting their orbits. That orbital shift is actually towards the earth. You could say the the earth has been charged up like a giant magnet and is pulling the bodies towards us. MG: You said bodies, do you mean that there's more than one? Professor: Yes, in fact [mobile phone rings] Sorry, I'd better get this. Hello? Yes, I'll be home at about seven o'clock. Yes, pasta will be fine. I've got to go. Errr.. where were we.. oh yes, we think that about 0.01% of small bodies in the solar system exhibit this property. That doesn't sound like much, but there are between one and two million bodies over one kilometre in size.. so that's about one or two hundred objects, some of which will be quite close to us. And 21 Lutetia is about 100 kilometres across. If that hits, then basically the earth is toast. MG: So we're all going to die? Professor: Yes. MG: So there's no chance you are wrong? Professor: We don't think so, although we did have to make certain assumptions. For example, the growth in mobile phone ownership over the past 25 years has been around 20,000 fold. If we assume the same rate of growth, by 2032 there will be 40 trillion handsets in use on the earth. That could present a serious problem. MG: Indeed Professor Dummkopf - we'd like to thank you and the institute for your time. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cool California Find
Hello Bernd and Jason and list-members, This is really a nice little piece of a find Jason!!! A little individual - just perfect. A so fresh too! You are so lucky!!! With best regards, Moni From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cool California Find Date: 31 Mar 2007 19:41:50 UT Jason wrote: Usually I don't post find images, but I thought this one from the day before yesterday was pretty cool. http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/DSCN2320.jpg http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/DSCN2315.jpg Congratulations! A beautiful, fully crusted, fresh-looking stone! What do you think it is? H5 or H6 maybe? Nothing to base my assumption on, ... only a feeling! Regards, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ 5.5%* 30 year fixed mortgage rate. Good credit refinance. Up to 5 free quotes - *Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=10035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2a5d&s=4056&p=5117&disc=y&vers=910 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Hunt Images
Hello Adam and all, Well congratulations to you too! This looks like a very nice find. Can't wait to find out from where and who at the end the meteorite belongs to, California or Nevada? Nice find! It will be interesting to see what kind it is! Guess the bicycles meant you went back to Ivanpah? How did it go? Any more problems with the rangers? I liked seeing all your other images and note SUSA, a woman meteorite huntress!! ;-) Thanks for sharing! And are you still out there or are you back in Washington? I hoped to search with you, maybe next time! With best regards, Moni _ Live Search Maps find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Just to say, "Hi" once again! (Walter)
Hello Mal,
My best wishes are with you and your son for the loss of your wife.
Walter's condition was touch and go for a while. He is still struggling but
is slowly recovering. Rebekah was injured in the accident and has bounced
back like only a kid can. If you search the list archives you can read all
about their progress. We receive updates through the list on a regular basis
from Walter's wife, Sabrina, a wonderful woman who is very capably handling
the family's affairs during this difficult time.
I have been collecting donations for the Walter Branch Recovery Fund since
the accident and the meteorite community has been incredibly kind and very
generous. Walter and his family have a long road ahead of them so I am still
actively seeking donations.
They need all the support they can get right now so please send your good
wishes to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . If you'd like to send him a card,
please let me know and I will give you their mailing address off-list.
Should you wish to donate funds, you can either do so through my PayPal
account to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or regular mail to me at 410 Spring Street,
Saline, MI 48176-2101.
My best,
Maria
- Original Message -
From: "Mal Bishop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Just to say, "Hi" once again!
>
>
> Hello everyone once again!
>
> After almost a four year absence, I had an irresistible urge to again
> stroll back to the old
> neighborhood and see how much or how little it may have changed. It is
> rather refreshing to see
> many of the same old names I remember from the past, as well as some new
> ones, posting, along
> with some of the same in-family bickering going on that I so vividly
> remember from the past.
> Reminds me of one big family sitting around the dinner table with everyone
> fighting over the last piece
> of pie! :-)
>
> It is really nice to see everyone, or should I say read everyone, once
> again -- sort of like
> coming home after a long sojourn in the wilderness with all of its
> uncertainties and possible dangers, to be
> back in safer, and more familiar surroundings, albeit maybe a bit
> tumultuous, and testy at times, but never the less, still
> a feeling of kinship!
>
> I've been absent for the past couple of years from the meteorite list due
> to several reasons, but principally since my wife, Ava, passed away
> suddenly and most untimely in an auto accident two years ago this coming
> Monday, April 2nd. Personally, things were somewhat tough
> before her death, but at least she was there then to help smooth over the
> rough terrain, but after her death our one an only child, Gabriel
> (now eight) was my one and only true concern.
>
> Although my heart has always remained true to our wondrous, cosmic friends
> from above, I had to take a break from
> collecting, participating on the list, and even subdue to a major degree,
> my once burning desire and interest in reading and educating myself
> further
> on a once most
> passionate joy in my life. My son came first above all else, and a very
> unwanted adjustment period ensued with the loss of Gabriel's mother, and
> my
> best friend while trying to be both father and mother to Gabriel, and at
> the same time trying to cope with my own sense of loss and bewilderment.
>
> Anyway, I also wanted to mention how shocked I was when I rejoined the
> list
> a couple of days ago to hear about Walter Branch being involved in some
> sort of auto accident of his own! From the little information I've
> gathered thus far, it sounds as if Walter's daughter was involved in the
> accident as well,
> but that she may have faired much better than he had? I was just somewhat
> shocked and dismayed to read of this for I dealt with Walter on several
> occasions and found him extremely friendly as well as professional! He
> was
> top drawer as was everyone I've dealt with over the years on this list!
>
> I just offer up my best wishes and prayers for Walter, his wife, and
> daughter during this very tragic time in their lives! If anyone has an
> email address
> that is current for either Walter or his wife, I would like to directly
> email them my sympathy, and concern. Also, if anyone would care to do so,
> I would also like to
> hear how Walter is progressing!
>
> Well, in closing, I'm back to collecting ( already made several purchases
> from several dealers on our list and from my past), and on top of that, I
> have a very inquisitive
> eight year old who just purchased his own VERY FIRST meteorite (actually
> several :-) ).
>
> Hope all of you are doing well personally, and meteoritically! {smile}
>
> Best regards to all,
> Mal
>
>
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