Re: [meteorite-list] To whom it may concern........
Hello Ruben Son, I've read your e-mail with regret. Doug was faster to say what a pleasure it always was to participate at your hunting expeditions - I remember at least one splendid success, a real triumph - via text and photos. But of course one has to accept the reasons for such a decision - which might but must not necessarily be forever. Time will show. If one day an extremely nice iron will fall down exactly in your garden, brandnew and ultimately fresh, or in front of your home - may be you can't resist to go out and hunt it. And there you'd be back again! But well, as you mentioned it: there are far more activities for a good father-son-team. Anyway, I wish you both all the best. I'll miss your posts. But I have two souvenirs here: a wonderful Toluca half-stone and a big and splendid Gibeon partslice which I bought from you via Ebay. I wish you both all the best! Matthias P.S. Thanks to Mal Bishop for the Vergilius! - Original Message - From: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] To whom it may concern Hi all, It is with sadness and regret that I am writing today. I've been thinking about this for some time now, and today I have made my final decision. Let me explain. Due to certain personalities in this hobby I have grown more and more disenchanted with meteorites, meteorite collecting and meteorite hunting. Also, in February I was told by my dermatologist to stay out of the sun. This is because of non-cancerous lesions that have appeared on my face and hands over the last year. According to him my attempts at covering up are not working. Since I am allergic to sun block I am pretty much out of luck. I've always said that when this hobby ceased being fun I'd cease doing it. I'm done. To make a long story short, I have already taken down my website and will remove myself from this forum a.s.a.p. I will no longer write about meteorites or meteorite hunting. I am walking away from all the trouble and trouble makers. It's just not worth it. Unfortunately, I'll also leave behind the fun and excitement that I used to have when finding meteorites with my son, or teaching a newbie. I will honor any deals or agreements regarding meteorites that I've made in the past. Don't feel sorry for me or my son though. I'm sure that we'll start doing all the things normal Fathers and Sons do. Diamondbacks and Suns games here we come! Thanks to everyone that helped make the last 9 years enjoyable. Goodbye, Ruben Garcia Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Kalahari Lunar
Hi, This has all probably been on the list before...but I was not following it at the time...so have these lunar meteorites just disappeared without trace? Has anyone ever seen photographs of the main masses and where are they now.? Have any pieces come on to the market ever? Graham Ensor, nr Barwell UK Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, I recall, but cannot find in the archives (too long ago) of the List, a thread that batted back and forth rumors about Kalahari 008 and 009 having been found elsewhere and having been planted in the Kalahari. It was vague, certainly speculative, and nobody claimed to have come up with the inside scoop. http://www.uni-muenster.de/imperia/md/content/planetologie/pdf/bischoff/meteorites_from_botswana.pdf says In 1999, the first meteorites from Botswana were recovered. Most samples (seven) were purchased from natives in the small village of Kuke. We suggest that these samples were found close to Kuke in the Kalahari desert. As reported by the finder, the other four samples were recovered during geological field work in various areas of Botswana in April (Mabe), September (Kalahari 008 and 009), and November 1999 (Matisama). Kalahari 008 and Kalahari 009 were found close to the small village of Kuke and are chemically and petrographically different lunar rocks. However, we suggest that both samples represent distinct lithologies of one meteoroid and that the lunar sample broke apart at the find site. The other nine samples are H-group ordinary chondrites. Based on different petrologic types, the degrees of shock metamorphism and weathering pairing of most samples can be ruled out. We conclude that only Kalahari 004 and Kalahari 005 are paired. So, there were many other meteorites (H) that came from the Kuke area initially and were offered for sale. It would seem that the finder then searched the area further and found four more, including the lunar duo. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2005/pdf/5059.pdf Two of these samples were found close to the small village of Kuke (Kalahari 008 and Kalahari 009) and are chemically and petrographically different lunar rocks. However, it is suggested that both samples represent distinct lithologies of one meteoroid that broke apart at the find site... During geological field work Kalahari 008 and 009 were found roughly 50 m apart in front of a small dune in September 1999. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2005/pdf/5270.pdf says: The combined 26Al and 36Cl 4pi exposure ages are 350±120 yr for Kalahari 008 and 220±40 yr for Kalahari 009 that is the shortest exposure age of any meteorite. If both objects are lunar meteorites, the transition time from the Moon to the earth was 230±90 yr and ejection depth was more than 1,100 g/cm2 on the Moon. Small amounts of cosmogenic nuclides are also produced in-situ on the Earth's surface. The 26Al and 36Cl concentrations in Kalahari 009 can be explained by ~0.3 Myr exposure time in the Kalahari Desert (1,000 m elevation and 21°S). Long terrestrial ages, 0.3-0.5 Myr, were found for Dhofar lunar and Martian meteorites... For the case of Kalahari 009, cosmogenic nuclides could have been produced on the Earth's surface, without previous exposure in space. Cosmogenic nuclide results do not exclude that Kalahari 009 is a terrestrial object. However, the 36Cl concentration in Kalahari 008 is ~15% higher than saturation of 36Cl production on the Earth's surface, therefore Kalahari 008 was exposed in space. So, if I wanted to plant a 30-pound chuck of the Moon in Botswana or anywhere else, like my back yard, where would I go to get one? Inquiring minds want to know... Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: Kalahari Lunar I have heard that this area would be nearly impossible to find meteorites. It is clear that they are not from that area. Michael Farmer --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randy and List, Last July Chauncey Walden and I drove all the way around the reported find location of these Kalahari Lunars. This part of the Central Kalahari Nature Reserve (national not private) is not a sandy desert like those far to the north or the Namib to the west. In this location is the ground is almost totally covered in knee high grass and scattered trees. We did not see any igneous rocks in this area in fact there are not many rocks of any type in this area. If I remember correctly it is part of the worlds largest body of sand. So any rock would look odd and stand out. I know it was totally different from what I had envisioned and hoped for. Tough area to hunt meteorites. Much better for photographing lions and cheetah. Regards, Fred Olsen, Denver
[meteorite-list] AD:SIX HUGE SEYMCHAN SLICES !!!!! 1.8 FOOT LONG !
Dear list, I have just received the visit of a Russian friend that brought with him 6 top huge slices of Seymchan. weight: 2164 g size 399 mm * 151 mm 1836 g size 478 mm * 163 mm 3566 g size 525 mm * 171 mm 4018 g size 537 mm * 181 mm 2984 g size 565 mm * 204 mm 3040 g size 563 mm * 199 mm Thickness varies from 3.5 mm to 10 mm. Very fine polishing and etching. These slices present uncommon chromite cristals, and extraordinary Widmanstatten figures. they deserve a look, at least! They will be the master center piece of any serious collection. Size average is more than a foot and a half ! Please have a look at http://www.caillou-noir.com/HUGE%20Seymchan.htm Serious offers will be considered. please email at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] First pay first serve. See my site for detailed infos about these rare slices. Best regards. Michel FRANCO IMCA 3869 Met Soc member since 1998. www. caillou-noir.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] back to meteorites
Good morning list.I am a real BIG fan of mike farmer.He has done it right!He has gone out to find us all great stones and irons to have in our collections.And when he says the list has some serious problems he is sssoo right.If it is not a flame war going on between 2 or more list members,or someone who is trying to push off on us meteorwrongs,or people on the list talking about CHURCH STUFF,OR JUST NON-METEORIIC junk.Art developed this list to bring out the beauty of meteorites.Talk about meteorites.Overall just bring out the beauty of meteorites in general.I know there are someof you who do like me or that I post to much,but in the 6 years of being on this list,I usually talk about meteorites.But mike is right lets get back to what this list is about METEORITES.I guess you can only say so much till it gets shoved into everyone's heads.I enjoy sterlings posts,ron baalke's posts and so on.They bring a real zest to the list.I like to believe I bring a real passion for the hobby to the list.I really believe in this list and art has done a great job of keeping it going.I have over 300 email address for this list and all or most are great people.So lets please get back to meteorites and lets stop all the BS and lets do what art wanted us to do.BRING OUT ONLY METEORITICS TO THE LIST.Not all this rap that has made people unsuscribe and never come back.I know we have not had a major fall lately,but there is always something new to talk about concerning meteorites.I hope I speak for alot of fine on this list.Any comments are always welcome. steve arnold,chicago,ill usa! Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net.Specializing in Gao Meteorites! Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] To whom it may concern.......
Hold the door Ruben, I am right behind you I too have decided to take my leave from this interest. Thanks to all that have shared so much information. I appreciate your communications. Best regards, Michael Murray __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Botanica, Radio Program + Odds Ends
Hello Everybody, Hope everyone is doing well. Been pretty busy around here as usual. After a little cold spell the sun is now shining much to the delight of my baby Oak trees, and my banana tree that perhaps I put outside a little too early. (It really isn't looking good after the last week.) Oh well, on to meteorite things A couple weeks ago I helped Steve Arnold move the Brenham meteorite main mass from the Exploration Place. It was sad to see Steve pull away in his hummer, perhaps the last time the meteorite will be here. I took a couple images and will try to find time to post them. (Speaking of Steve and Brenham, that Cash for Treasures program with Steve and Geoff is getting a LOT of air play.) Last week we presented a slide show at the local Botanica on the solar system and meteorites. It was lunch program, so people had to pay to see the presentation, but we still had about 80 people in attendance. Photos coming when I can find time. The Kansas Meteorite Society will be on the radio this weekend, on a local radio station, KNSS. This will be Saturday, April 14th from 10 a.m. to 11 a.m., during the Countryman's Kansas program, hosted by Gene Countryman. We will be promoting the upcoming meteorite themed rock show. You can read more radio show here http://www.knssradio.com/djs/countrymans_kansas.php And after the weekend, not sure when really, you will be able to download the show to your ipod here... http://www.knssradio.com/promo/podcast/index.php Followed up all leads from the lawn show and no new meteorites. Must more in the works, some things not finalized yet, some things I can't really talk public about. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas www.meteoritearticles.com PS: I will remind everyone about the dates and times of our upcoming rock show, as it seems like the thing to do. Please try to make it if in the region, but avoid Friday, unless you want to be trampled by the ~1500 kids or so that attend that day. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/2007GemShowInfo.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New information from Nomenclature re: provisional names and numbers
Dear List, I am sending this email in response to an ongoing thread regarding provisional names and numbers for new finds. I hope this puts an end to the thread. I have contacted the Nomenclature regarding this issue and received the following response. Dear Sonny, Thanks for your phone message as well as this email. You can look up the committee membership and the rules and guidelines on the Meteoritical Society website. The Committee has no requirements regarding getting provisional numbers within a fixed time. In fact there is no requirement to get a provisional number at all. If you want to just submit a meteorite at the time it is classified that is fine. Similarly, there is no time requirement for submitting a new find. When fragments are clearly paired it is fine to include them all in the same number. I hope this clarifies things. I hope this will end the harassment from Mr. Bob Verish and Team Verish. As you can see I have done nothing wrong in the delay of getting provisonal numbers and names for all of my new finds. I have chosen to complete field study work before aquiring any provisional names or numbers. Below is an excerpt from one of Bob's emails. Guess I'm just jealous that Sonny gets to do things his way, and I'm forced to abide by guidelines. http://www.meteorite-times.com ( Nevada Picture Of The Day) The last 2 months have been focused negativley on my finds. Thanks, Sonny AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New information from Nomenclature re: provisionalnames and
Sonny, this is not harassment. Like I wrote to you before its simply an opinion of a writer writing his article. The last Nevada find was thought of a find from John Blennert. If you see it as an harassment, I am sorry, which I also told you before. I am not Bob V.s parrot, but as a Californian meteorite hunter I would like to have other hunters coming into this state help the hunters that are on these dry lakes for number of years, logging all the finds and numbering them as well to have the TKW for the areas and the different classifications for the different finds on the lakes. I think you are right that one could get numbers or no numbers if this is the Nom rules, when you think it is the time, but getting numbers to keep things a bit in order doesn't tell anyone that you hunt there, it is only known by Rhian Jones, which is kept in strictest confidence. It does help out the hunters here in California and there are more than just Bob. And just like Bob, you wouldn't'f feel so harassed by him, if you wouldn't want things to be the way you are wanting them to be. Your way. Two opinions and that is the way it goes. So no parrot on Bob's back, just my opinion coming from California where things are done a bit different than Arizona. Happy hunting, Moni From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] New information from Nomenclature re: provisionalnames and numbers Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:24:28 -0400 Dear List, I am sending this email in response to an ongoing thread regarding provisional names and numbers for new finds. I hope this puts an end to the thread. I have contacted the Nomenclature regarding this issue and received the following response. Dear Sonny, Thanks for your phone message as well as this email. You can look up the committee membership and the rules and guidelines on the Meteoritical Society website. The Committee has no requirements regarding getting provisional numbers within a fixed time. In fact there is no requirement to get a provisional number at all. If you want to just submit a meteorite at the time it is classified that is fine. Similarly, there is no time requirement for submitting a new find. When fragments are clearly paired it is fine to include them all in the same number. I hope this clarifies things. I hope this will end the harassment from Mr. Bob Verish and Team Verish. As you can see I have done nothing wrong in the delay of getting provisonal numbers and names for all of my new finds. I have chosen to complete field study work before aquiring any provisional names or numbers. Below is an excerpt from one of Bob's emails. Guess I'm just jealous that Sonny gets to do things his way, and I'm forced to abide by guidelines. http://www.meteorite-times.com ( Nevada Picture Of The Day) The last 2 months have been focused negativley on my finds. Thanks, Sonny AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - April 10, 2007
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit Studies Rocks En Route to Home Plate - sol 1152-1158, April 10, 2007: Spirit is healthy and performing scientific studies of an outcrop of light-toned clasts and cobbles nicknamed Elizabeth Mahon on the edge of Home Plate as well as a pockmarked rock outcrop nicknamed Madeline English. To get around obstacles and make progress over rough terrain using only five wheels, Spirit drove backward a few meters, pivoted around the front wheel, drove backward another few meters, pivoted again to face Madeline English, and finally pushed forward to reach the rock with scientific instruments on the robotic arm. After investigating Madeline English, the rover will head back north to one of several possible on-ramps for driving onto Home Plate. Sol-by-sol summary: In addition to daily observations of atmospheric dust levels and surveys of the sky and ground with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, Spirit conducted the following activities: Sol 1152 (March 31, 2007): Spirit acquired panoramic camera images of a rock exposure known as Clara Zaph in addition to miniature thermal emission spectrometer data from Clara Zaph 1, Clara Zaph 2, and Clara Zaph 3. The rover surveyed the sky and ground and targets known as Rita Briggs and Twila Shively using the miniature thermal emission spectrometer and completed a survey with the sun low in the sky using the panoramic camera. Sol 1153: Spirit turned southeast and drove backward 4 meters over the target Elizabeth Mahon to place it within the work volume of the rover's scientific instruments. Spirit acquired post-drive images using the navigation camera and relayed data to the Odyssey orbiter overnight. Sol 1154: Spirit acquired thumbnail images of the sky using the panoramic camera and measured argon using the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer. Sol 1155: Spirit unstowed the robotic arm, placed the Moessbauer spectrometer on Elizabeth Mahon, and acquired data overnight. The rover acquired a mosaic of panoramic camera images facing the drive direction and relayed data to Odyssey overnight. Sol 1156: Spirit continued to acquire overnight data from Elizabeth Mahon using the Moessbauer spectrometer. Spirit acquired full-color images using all 13 filters of the panoramic camera of a target known as Madeline English 2. The rover acquired miniature thermal emission spectrometer data from Madeline English 2 and targets known as Betty Hill and Madeline English 3. Sol 1157: Spirit changed tools from the Moessbauer spectrometer to the microscopic imager and acquired a mosaic of microscopic images of Elizabeth Mahon. The rover placed the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer on the target and collected data overnight while also relaying relayed data to the Odyssey orbiter. Spirit scanned the sky for clouds using the navigation camera and acquired full-color images of white soil using all 13 filters of the panoramic camera. Sol 1158 (April 6, 2007): Plans called for Spirit to acquire overnight data using the Moessbauer spectrometer, panoramic camera images of Madeline English, and miniature thermal emission spectrometer data on targets known as Noreen Arnold, Carol Habben, and Phyllis Wise. Odometry: As of sol 1153 (April 1, 2007), Spirit's total odometry was 7,077.10 meters (4.40 miles). OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Characterizing Wind Streaks - sol 1131-1138, April 10, 2007: Opportunity is healthy and is attempting to characterize the dark wind streak material which emanates from Victoria Crater as seen from orbital images. On Sol 1132 the team planned a four-hour alpha particle X-ray spectrometer integration to measure atmospheric Argon. The purpose of this measurement is to determine the atmospheric mixing processes and track their changes with time. Sol 1137 included a test of a fix for a steering bias bug in the mobility flight software. This is the fix for the problem the team saw on sol 1114, when the software selected an arc that was 13 degrees off course from the goal. Sol-by-sol summary: In addition to Opportunity's usual observations of panoramic camera tau, navigation camera cloud captures, miniature thermal emission sky and ground stares, and panoramic camera sky spots, the rover did the following: Sol 1131 (March 30, 2007): On this sol, Opportunity's panoramic camera began to take the first half of a long baseline stereo image of Valley Without Peril. The navigation camera was used to fill gaps in the previous sol's panorama. The panoramic camera was then used again to image target Almeria. The miniature thermal emission spectrometer also observed Almeria. Sol 1132: Opportunity bumped 5.6 meters (18.4 feet) to the second eye location of the stereo panorama of Valley Without Peril. The miniature thermal emission spectrometer observed target Barcelona. The alpha particle X-ray spectromter completed a four-hour
Re: [meteorite-list] New information from Nomenclature re: provisionalnames and
At least we now know who drove Ruben away from meteorites. What is with California and arrogance about who owns the strewnfields? I recall that two years ago, a group who went meteorite hunting was turned in and harrassed for hunting someones territory. What a crock, if you don't own the land, you should not say a thing about someone else who hunts there, or how they turn in their finds. Sonny has been one of the most successful meteorite hunters to appear in the last few years, and he deserves nothing but credit, not harrassment. I have avoided hunting anywhere NEAR California due to the rotten attitudes and better than thou sentiment that oozes from some of these groups. Perhaps it is time for me to start hunting some dry lake beds. Michael Farmer Moni, that statement Guess I'm just jealous that Sonny gets to do things his way, and I'm forced to abide by guidelines, sure as heck sounds like harrassment to me. Especially since the NOMCOM has cleared it up and Sonny can do it any way he see's fit, so Verish is wrong on that issue, and has just been proven wrong by the nomcom themselves. --- Moni Waiblinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sonny, this is not harassment. Like I wrote to you before its simply an opinion of a writer writing his article. The last Nevada find was thought of a find from John Blennert. If you see it as an harassment, I am sorry, which I also told you before. I am not Bob V.s parrot, but as a Californian meteorite hunter I would like to have other hunters coming into this state help the hunters that are on these dry lakes for number of years, logging all the finds and numbering them as well to have the TKW for the areas and the different classifications for the different finds on the lakes. I think you are right that one could get numbers or no numbers if this is the Nom rules, when you think it is the time, but getting numbers to keep things a bit in order doesn't tell anyone that you hunt there, it is only known by Rhian Jones, which is kept in strictest confidence. It does help out the hunters here in California and there are more than just Bob. And just like Bob, you wouldn't'f feel so harassed by him, if you wouldn't want things to be the way you are wanting them to be. Your way. Two opinions and that is the way it goes. So no parrot on Bob's back, just my opinion coming from California where things are done a bit different than Arizona. Happy hunting, Moni From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] New information from Nomenclature re: provisionalnames and numbers Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:24:28 -0400 Dear List, I am sending this email in response to an ongoing thread regarding provisional names and numbers for new finds. I hope this puts an end to the thread. I have contacted the Nomenclature regarding this issue and received the following response. Dear Sonny, Thanks for your phone message as well as this email. You can look up the committee membership and the rules and guidelines on the Meteoritical Society website. The Committee has no requirements regarding getting provisional numbers within a fixed time. In fact there is no requirement to get a provisional number at all. If you want to just submit a meteorite at the time it is classified that is fine. Similarly, there is no time requirement for submitting a new find. When fragments are clearly paired it is fine to include them all in the same number. I hope this clarifies things. I hope this will end the harassment from Mr. Bob Verish and Team Verish. As you can see I have done nothing wrong in the delay of getting provisonal numbers and names for all of my new finds. I have chosen to complete field study work before aquiring any provisional names or numbers. Below is an excerpt from one of Bob's emails. Guess I'm just jealous that Sonny gets to do things his way, and I'm forced to abide by guidelines. http://www.meteorite-times.com ( Nevada Picture Of The Day) The last 2 months have been focused negativley on my finds. Thanks, Sonny AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] MORE ON KALAHARI 008 - 009
Hi Sterling, and All, In the meantime, at least two other (rather experienced) teams have checked the alleged find location of the Kalahari lunars, and all are reporting the same: that's no place to hunt for meteorites, there are no sand dunes as described in the MetBull entry for the Kalahari lunars, and so at least the find location seems to be questionable. Sterling wrote: However, please note that the Bischoff paper says that the other four samples were recovered during geological field work in various areas of Botswana. If the finder was doing geological field work, this suggests that the finder is a geologist, which is not an absolute disqualifier for a knowledge of meteorites. Presumably, he is working near Kuke because he's already acquired meteorites from there. Presumed that the finder of Kalahari 008/009, and the finder of the other four stones are one and the same person. I have my doubts about that. According to what I've heard first hand, the finder of the Kalahari lunars is a South African diamond prospector, and it's certainly not usual if not illegal to prospect for diamonds in a natural reserve. Anyway, I still believe that these finds have been planted into Botswana - the whole story is odd, as are the missing photos of the masses. If it's an elaborate setup for the reasons Norbert suggested, it's a damned good one. Try to prove otherwise... On the other hand, if he's a geologist in the largest sandcovered area of the planet and sees a large rock, ANY large rock, doesn't he check it? The area is covered with more or less dense vegetation, and that's part of the problem. It's as improbable to find a lunar there as it would be to find it in the loess covered vineyards of the Kaiserstuhl area where I live... And I know my lunars... Adam compared the Kalahari stones to the Dhofar lunars, and I think that's a pretty good comparison from the first look at Randy's photos. At least the small feldspathic sample reminds me a lot of certain Omani finds. So I might have picked this rock up - BUT, I recall it very well: when I returned with Dho 908 and 909 even some scientists had no hope for these ugly ducklings, devoid of any fusion crust that would have revealed their extraterrestrial origin. Back to our geologist/diamond prospector in the Kalahari: I still think that Jeff's words were wisely put: ... it sounds improbable that a person who's not into meteorites at all recovers a large lunaite, AND - having no idea of what he has there - combs the place for additional fragments. That's really odd. Something's wrong in the State of Botswana, but I have no idea what. Take care, Norbert __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New information from Nomenclature re: provisional names and numbers
Bob V. posted: Guess I'm just jealous that Sonny gets to do things his way, and I'm forced to abide by guidelines. Dear Bob: Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but your posts seem to infer that Sonny is in some way acting in an improper manner regarding his finds. I've had the pleasure of hunting for meteorites with Sonny in seven states in the Union. I've also stayed at his house, seen his impressive collection of finds, and been privileged to inspect his extensive field data. I've never seen anyone keep more meticulous records of his finds, or act in a more responsible and respectful way regarding private property, hunting regulations, etc. Anyone who has made a significant meteorite discovery knows it's common sense to complete work in the new find zone before making data public. I think that's better for the community than hogging scores of provisional numbers for one's personal use later on. The view certain people hold that such-and-such a lake bed is my area is the kind of mentality that drives decent people like Ruben Garcia out of the field. When someone like Ruben gives up meteorites, the community as a whole is diminished by the loss. I agree with you that some meteorite hunters fail to report their finds accurately, but Sonny is not one of those people. Respectfully, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New information from Nomenclature re: provisionalnames and
Dear List, It kind of takes the fun out of it when somebody feels the need to snitch on an out of state group to the BLM. This only serves to weaken the hobby of hunting. By the way, I was told that there was a BLM agent hanging around the meteorite group this year in Tucson. He was recognized in one of the images posted to the List. I got nothing but grief over the Randsburg iron even though its provenance goes back three decades. Questions about whether it was really a transplanted Campo or Chuckwalla forced me to liquidate it for free. I donated the entire mass to a church in North Carolina because I was so disgusted with the politics surrounding this California meteorite. Luckily my pairing to the Old Woman was found on private property or I am sure there would be some more grief in regards to this shale ball. The best advice for anybody searching California lake beds is to check out the laws regarding them. It is difficult to know if you are searching on private property or not so it is best to question the locals. Do not be afraid to bang on a few doors and ask questions. I would rather search on private property with a solid agreement than risk getting in trouble. Besides, you can get an exclusive if you do your research which accounts for 90% of any true treasure hunting effort. I plan a long term stay in the Mojave next fall with all of the proper equipment and permissions so it should be an enjoyable effort. Best Regards, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] To whom it may concern........
Ruben, I'm sorry to hear about your decision and for the reasons behind it. I have enjoyed reading about your exploits through the List over the years. Good luck in any endeavor you choose to pursue. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:51 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] To whom it may concern Hi all, It is with sadness and regret that I am writing today. I've been thinking about this for some time now, and today I have made my final decision. Let me explain. Due to certain personalities in this hobby I have grown more and more disenchanted with meteorites, meteorite collecting and meteorite hunting. Also, in February I was told by my dermatologist to stay out of the sun. This is because of non-cancerous lesions that have appeared on my face and hands over the last year. According to him my attempts at covering up are not working. Since I am allergic to sun block I am pretty much out of luck. I've always said that when this hobby ceased being fun I'd cease doing it. I'm done. To make a long story short, I have already taken down my website and will remove myself from this forum a.s.a.p. I will no longer write about meteorites or meteorite hunting. I am walking away from all the trouble and trouble makers. It's just not worth it. Unfortunately, I'll also leave behind the fun and excitement that I used to have when finding meteorites with my son, or teaching a newbie. I will honor any deals or agreements regarding meteorites that I've made in the past. Don't feel sorry for me or my son though. I'm sure that we'll start doing all the things normal Fathers and Sons do. Diamondbacks and Suns games here we come! Thanks to everyone that helped make the last 9 years enjoyable. Goodbye, Ruben Garcia Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] To whom it may concern........
Hello List, I too am sorry to read about Ruben's recent decision. He, Mike Miller, and Sonny have all made great contributions to the meteorite community. It's too bad that some certain personalities played a role in Ruben deciding to give up meteorite hunting. Over the past several years I too have noticed some members of our loosely knitted group try to exert influence on meteorite hunters to do things their way. This whole issue of provisional names, in my opinion, is not necessary for everyone. If someone, a few people, or a group of people want to follow this convension, good for them. That doesn't mean, however, that every one must do it. This also doesn't mean that the maverick hunters are any less diligent in recording their finds and keeping good and accurate records to be submitted to the Nom. Comm. at the proper time. There are some California meteorite hunters who I consider good friends and, as best as I can tell, aren't involved in this controversy. Let's not lump every one from California, or those who hunt in California, together. Many of them go about their business quietly without any publicity stunts or chest pounding. In fact, you have to search out the facts about these people to find out about their accomplishments because they generally are pretty quiet about their work. Keeping ones active find sights a secret is important to meteorite hunters. Anyone can tell you that as soon as a new meteorite is announced (particularly here in the Western USA) meteorite hunters start showing up in droves. Now before anyone points a finger at me, I'll admit I've done the same thing. I've found meteorites in places where someone else found them first. Once the location becomes a matter of public record, anyone can go right to the spot providing the correct location is recorded. Lucerne Dry Lake is a good example, as is Franconia. When meteorite hunter has invested lots of time and money to locate meteorites in a new location, I believe he (she) has a right to protect their investment by keeping the location quiet until they can finish their work there. I know there is a level of confidence that exists with many of the people on the academic and scientific side of the process, but I know that there have been instances where some persistent people have been able to acquire some locations that should have been kept confidential. In closing, I want to let you all know that like Ruben, I have lost much of my enthusiasm for meteorite hunting and meteorites in general. I didn't attend the Tucson Show this past February which was just the second time in twenty years I haven't gone. It might just be me, or it might just be the way everything changes with time, but things have changed, in my opinion, and most of the changes haven't been for the better. The ongoing debate about who can hunt where, government regulations that are almost impossible to find in print and the unanswered questions about who actually owns meteorites found on Public Land has complicated things to the point of frustration for many people. It's no wonder that people are becoming disenchanted and finding something else to do with their spare time. Sorry about the long post, John At 11:16 AM 4/11/2007, Gerald Flaherty wrote: Ruben, I'm sorry to hear about your decision and for the reasons behind it. I have enjoyed reading about your exploits through the List over the years. Good luck in any endeavor you choose to pursue. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:51 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] To whom it may concern Hi all, It is with sadness and regret that I am writing today. I've been thinking about this for some time now, and today I have made my final decision. Let me explain. Due to certain personalities in this hobby I have grown more and more disenchanted with meteorites, meteorite collecting and meteorite hunting. Also, in February I was told by my dermatologist to stay out of the sun. This is because of non-cancerous lesions that have appeared on my face and hands over the last year. According to him my attempts at covering up are not working. Since I am allergic to sun block I am pretty much out of luck. I've always said that when this hobby ceased being fun I'd cease doing it. I'm done. To make a long story short, I have already taken down my website and will remove myself from this forum a.s.a.p. I will no longer write about meteorites or meteorite hunting. I am walking away from all the trouble and trouble makers. It's just not worth it. Unfortunately, I'll also leave behind the fun and excitement that I used to have when finding meteorites with my son, or teaching a newbie. I will honor any deals or agreements regarding meteorites that I've made in the past. Don't feel sorry for me or my son though. I'm sure that
[meteorite-list] Repost: Re Nevada picture of the day / Reply to Sonny
List, The oft-quoted: Guess I'm just jealous that Sonny gets to do things his way, and I'm forced to abide by guidelines. has been taken out of context from it's original thread and ignores my subsequent reply and explanation. As you can see in that reply (below) I clearly stated that that Sonny did nothing wrong in how he reported his Starvation Flat meteorite to the NomComm. And I never said that Sonny was wrong in not getting any provisional numbers. There are separate issues here: Bob V. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob ,and List, With the new Nevada Meteorite, Starvation Flat . I found 4 meteorites . With these meteorite, I also found many fragments, over 100 small pieces . + The meteorite in the picture is one of the many fragments that were found from Starvation #3 The correct number [for the next find at Starvation Flat] would be 005 ! Yes, Sonny, You're right! The next find at Starvation Flat should be 005. Over the weekend, people have pointed out to me that they see very little difference in opinion between Sonny and me. They pointed out that Sonny is just as inclined as I am to number our finds, it's just that I prefer to use NomComm approved numbers. And as long as the NomComm continues to request this information from all finders, I'll continue to supply this information and use their numbers. But I still have a question. If I had supplied this same Starvation Flat information to the NomComm, they would have told me that I have to get 4 numbers, and that under Pieces for each of those 4 numbers I would have to supply the total number of fragments. And I think I know why the NomComm handles requests differently. But it isn't because anybody did anything wrong. It's just that there appears to be a misunderstanding of what the term Pieces means by whoever submitted the name request to the NomComm. I know for a fact that the NomComm has no intention to obfuscate recovery data by condensing into one coordinate the find locations for 4 meteorites, or their total number of fragments. It has to be how the data is interpreted and entered into their two standard forms. Maybe the NomComm interprets the data differently depending which of the two forms are used? I don't know for sure, but maybe the NomComm should review this. If I have misrepresented the NomComm, or mistated any facts, I would appreciate a reply from any one of their representatives. With best regards, Bob V. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you should change your post from Nevada Pic of the Day , To fishing for Nevada Meteorite information of the Day! Thanks, Sonny http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite_frame.htm __ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Giving credit where (official) credit is due
A wise man once said, Sonny has been one of the most successful meteorite hunters to appear in the last few years, and he deserves nothing but credit... which no one can deny. But that's all I'm asking of Sonny; to get the credit he deserves by securing it with provisional names and numbers. Otherwise, some other person could make another find from his study area unknowingly, and go ahead of him with getting that area named and 001 number approved, and worse, get published before Sonny could get proper credit. That's only one of many good reasons, Bob V. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 4-11-07 Update on Walter Branch
Hello, I spoke with Walter's nurse casemanager today. She told me that Walter will be in rehab. for another 3-4 weeks then he can come home. He will need total care for awhile but hopefully he will gain strength quickly once he is home. We are so appreciative of all of the e-mails and the cards and the checks/money orders. Walter told me that when he gets home and can sit at the computer for awhile, he will respond to all of you. Thank you so much for your prayers and support, Sabrina Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NEW Angrite Lithology - NWA 4590 Tamassint - AD
Dear List Members, I would like to announce a NEW and Officially Approved Angrite which is of a different lithology than the other known agrites. It is NWA 4590 Tamassint. The total known weight is just 212.8 grams. Due to the fragile nature of this material and the low TKW, I chose not to cut any slices and will offer it as the fragments were found. This is some of the most beautiful material I have seen in a while. Here are a couple links to see this beautiful new angrite: Group image of NWA 4590 Tamassint: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4590/nwa4590group.jpg Microscopic image of matrix at 12x magnification:: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4590/nwa4590micro.jpg Close-up image of fusion crust at 10x magnification: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4590/nwa4590crust.jpg Link to the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference abstract on NWA 4590: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2007/pdf/1522.pdf I loaded 28 of the largest available specimens on eBay under my seller name, NaturesVault. Click here to see all that I just loaded: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvaultQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0 For further classification information, click on one of the eBay auctions. Best regards and Thank You for bidding! Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Measuring Martian Meteorites at Houston's Lunar and Planetary Institute
http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2007/4/emw517793.htm Measuring Martian Meteorites at Houston's Lunar and Planetary Institute In the documentary just released on The Futures Channel's website, The Surface of Mars, Dr. Molly McCanta, an experimental petrologist, takes students inside the Lunar and Planetary Institute to show them how her scientific studies of tiny Martian meteorites found on Earth could unlock some of that planet's mysteries. Burbank, Calif. (PRWEB) April 11, 2007 -- 37 Martian rocks that somehow reached our planet over the eons may be key to telling us how Mars was formed, and may also tell us the best place to land when we visit the Red Planet. In their latest online documentary, The Surface of Mars, The Futures Channel takes students to the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston, Texas to meet experimental petrologist Dr. Molly McCanta. She studies Martian rocks that landed on Earth as meteorites. She knows they're from Mars, she explains, from the gases trapped inside the rocks. Her challenge is not small. Working on Mars, working on any other planet, is always a big challenge because I can't just pick up a rock and study it, she says. What we're attempting to do is take 37 small bits of rock and recreate the whole geologic history of a planet. She explains in the movie, now showing on The Futures Channel's website, that with the help of a spacecraft orbiting Mars measuring the topographical data, as well as the Mars Rovers collecting rock samples, all of her scientific detective work will help to reveal the geological formation of a planet similar to Earth. It is also possible that her research could lead to discoveries of where other life forms may have originated. As Dr. McCanta states, the general idea is that where there's water, you have life forms. The polar regions and higher latitudes may reveal the mystery one day, she says. She is enthusiastic about her work and hopes others will find it exciting too. Young people are encouraged to get involved at the early stages, Dr. McCanta says in the movie, because they're the ones who are actually going to be the scientists when spacecrafts get there and start producing data and sending it back to earth. The Lunar and Planetary Institute is one of the foremost resources for scientists focused on the exploration of the solar system with an expansive collection of space photography, including the earliest explorations of the Moon and the solar system. We provide a conduit for scientists from around the world, to come and get access to those collections, says Dr. Steve Mackwell, the Institute's Director. It is an institute that is designed to provide a scientific and support role for NASA and its connection to the university community. They're all working on various aspects of solar system research. Watch the movie: http://www.thefutureschannel.com/dockets/realworld/surface_of_mars/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Meteorite sale Ebay auctions ending soon
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[meteorite-list] buying pallasites
i have bought several russian pallasites that were mostly epoxy polished surfaces. can anyone recomment a reputable seller that sell seymchan or others that does NOT use fillers to make fake olivines? i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New information from Nomenclature re:provisionalnames and
Hi Adam and All, I just wonder now, if you make a find in California, what is the rule after that? Who gets what, BLM or Smithsonian and where would you have it classified? What have you found out about that? What kind of permits? And if you obtain a permit, do you have to tell them exactly what you found? And are there written laws now one could get from the BLM offices? Or does each BLM office in California have different rules? I never even wondered about going out to hunt, never stepped foot in a BLM office. I knew the basics that the meteorites really don't belong to me and the Smithsonian could get them any time they wanted. But that was never the question, ever. I wonder why things started changing? Why all the sudden is the BLM getting so involved? Thanks, Moni From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New information from Nomenclature re:provisionalnames and Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Dear List, It kind of takes the fun out of it when somebody feels the need to snitch on an out of state group to the BLM. This only serves to weaken the hobby of hunting. By the way, I was told that there was a BLM agent hanging around the meteorite group this year in Tucson. He was recognized in one of the images posted to the List. I got nothing but grief over the Randsburg iron even though its provenance goes back three decades. Questions about whether it was really a transplanted Campo or Chuckwalla forced me to liquidate it for free. I donated the entire mass to a church in North Carolina because I was so disgusted with the politics surrounding this California meteorite. Luckily my pairing to the Old Woman was found on private property or I am sure there would be some more grief in regards to this shale ball. The best advice for anybody searching California lake beds is to check out the laws regarding them. It is difficult to know if you are searching on private property or not so it is best to question the locals. Do not be afraid to bang on a few doors and ask questions. I would rather search on private property with a solid agreement than risk getting in trouble. Besides, you can get an exclusive if you do your research which accounts for 90% of any true treasure hunting effort. I plan a long term stay in the Mojave next fall with all of the proper equipment and permissions so it should be an enjoyable effort. Best Regards, Adam _ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679moid=7581 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New information from Nomenclature re:provisionalnames and
Hi Moni and List, As I said before, you can talk to ten different BLM offices and get ten different answers. The only consistent thing I have heard is that 250 pounds a year can be taken for non-commercial purposes (can't be sold). In other words, they are incorporating meteorites under general laws that apply to federal land, things like minerals and petrified wood to name a few. The Smithsonian can't take away any meteorite that weighs less than 250 pounds from what I was led to believe unless it was found in an area deemed to be off-limits to any kind of searching. The only reason the Old Woman meteorite was taken was because of it's weight from what I was told. It is far better to search private property with permission than to hassle with unclear laws that don't specifically mention meteorites. Then, you are free to do whatever you like with the meteorites. Some areas in California require a use permit before stepping foot in them and the restrictions are different for every area so it is best to do your own research before searching. The BLM is very helpful in letting you know what areas can be searched so a call ahead of time is recommended. I am tired of this subject. It reminds me of all the restrictions put on Treasure Hunters because of a few bad apples who rocked the boat. I see meteorite hunting going the same way. If everybody respected everyone else's property, followed the laws and minded their own business, there would be far fewer problems. If things continue the way they are now, there are no guarantees that the next generation will be able to search for anything. Picking up a piece of dog poop could be off limits if somebody deemed it to be of scientific value. Wishing everybody the best, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Giving credit where (official) credit is due
In a message dated 4/11/2007 12:34:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But that's all I'm asking of Sonny; to get the credit he deserves by securing it with provisional names and numbers. Otherwise, some other person could make another find from his study area unknowingly, and go ahead of him with getting that area named and 001 number approved, and worse, get published before Sonny could get proper credit. That's only one of many good reasons, Bob V. Hi Bob, I appreciate your concern. But lets try this one more time! The reason I do not wish to get a provisional number or name until all of the of the field work is complete is for this reason. Because of the loop hole you figured out many years ago! Not to say you that would do this. Example; Lets say a meteorite hunter has been working an area for a few years with many finds and received provisional numbers on all of his finds. Another is curious about this location. All he would have to do is say he found a couple meteorites from that location and request provisional numbers. The Nomenclature may reply Ok Bob,your provisional numbers will be 35 and 36! Bob never hunted this location, has just found out that 34 meteorites were recovered from this location. What a better resource for gaining information regarding a new location. This is a problem we have to address as a meteorite hunting community. I do not know the answer. We should come up with an idea on how to solve this problem. What the current system in place does is give confirmation of first meteorite found and credit to the finder. Unfortunately it can also be a source of information to someone digging for data. It is not the fault of the Nomenclature but a system that is in place. This is the reason I choose to wait on submitting information. Sonny - --- See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Giving credit where (official) credit is due
Sonny, I've never had the opportunity to hunt meteorites in a reasonably productive area. Having read your latest post though makes sense to me. Maintaining secrecy would make sense and if Provisional Numbers are postponed what's the difference. In the long run everything would iron out. The site would be made known as well as the total weight and the classification. So why the rush? Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Giving credit where (official) credit is due In a message dated 4/11/2007 12:34:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But that's all I'm asking of Sonny; to get the credit he deserves by securing it with provisional names and numbers. Otherwise, some other person could make another find from his study area unknowingly, and go ahead of him with getting that area named and 001 number approved, and worse, get published before Sonny could get proper credit. That's only one of many good reasons, Bob V. Hi Bob, I appreciate your concern. But lets try this one more time! The reason I do not wish to get a provisional number or name until all of the of the field work is complete is for this reason. Because of the loop hole you figured out many years ago! Not to say you that would do this. Example; Lets say a meteorite hunter has been working an area for a few years with many finds and received provisional numbers on all of his finds. Another is curious about this location. All he would have to do is say he found a couple meteorites from that location and request provisional numbers. The Nomenclature may reply Ok Bob,your provisional numbers will be 35 and 36! Bob never hunted this location, has just found out that 34 meteorites were recovered from this location. What a better resource for gaining information regarding a new location. This is a problem we have to address as a meteorite hunting community. I do not know the answer. We should come up with an idea on how to solve this problem. What the current system in place does is give confirmation of first meteorite found and credit to the finder. Unfortunately it can also be a source of information to someone digging for data. It is not the fault of the Nomenclature but a system that is in place. This is the reason I choose to wait on submitting information. Sonny - --- See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mark Bostick`s meteorite chatroom anyone?
Dear List, Mark`s chatroom is open for anyone that wants to discuss recent topics including provisional numbers, hunting on BLM land, etc. Anyone wishing to join please come and discuss. Thanks, Dirk Ross...Tokyo http://meteoritearticles.com/chatroom.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] This list needs serious help.
You mean like the response I got when I tried to discuss the Hambleton pallasite? not a word (or barely) or perhaps it's because we care more about uninformed people being ripped off, than making money out of collectors by other collectors. Talk about pot calling kettle black. dave ---Original Message--- From: Michael Farmer Date: 04/11/07 04:41:33 To: Dave Harris; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: This list needs serious help. Do you all know what I have noticed over the last few year? That the majority of people on this list seem to care much less about real meteorites than they do about fakes! This thread is a perfect example which makes me sick. Many of us (Robert Haag is not on this like for this very reason) have been discussing the simple fact that now days, when a new meteorite falls, or is found, there tends to be crickets chirping after it is announced. For example, last Friday I announced and showed the first photos of a new pallasite, one of ~55 known, a pretty interesting and in the world of meteorites, a big thing. There were few comments about it. Even though I asked a question hoping to start some good discourse and get some information from this list, all I got was Matteo's usual tirade of complaints. Virtually no-one cared about a beautiful new meteorite. Now, today we have another nut job out there, who does not want to hear the truth, and half the people on the list see fit to discuss his fake meteorites. My point, many people on this list do not care about real meteorites, they want to fight/argue/complain/debunk/ and otherwise mess with non-issues rather than comment on actual meteorites. Who cares if some guy refuses to accept the truth that his rocks are just that, rocks? Yet this list goes berserk over such a boring issue. Why is this? Michael Farmer --- Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for your offer of material. If you had any real involvement in true meteorites you would know that there are a variety of technical protocols they have to undergo for formal identification and cataloging - a process that takes a couple of years sometimes. We are quite happy in the knowledge that this material is not meteoritic, they have not been submitted to the correct institutions for analysis, nor have they been published in any of the recognised papers. The anecdotes you relay regarding recoveries are totally at odds with hundreds of years of falls and finds and I can assure you that mineral phases that you describe occur on Earth too. But you do not find silica! There is more to meteorites than isotopic analysis, what about presolar gases, nanodiamonds, kerogens, shock glasses, IMBs and so on. I am concerned that you have been mis-selling your material and I would like a complete list of all of the individuals you have been using for analysis and also the institutions to whom you have been selling it to. Your tests prove nothing - anyone can crib data and attribute it to their piece of rock. Have you sent any material to Dr Jeff Grossman, Dr, Monica Grady, Dr. Sara Russell? As much as I'd like to continue this discussion, I am afraid that I can see that, like everyone I have received meteorites from, and have had them resolved as terrestrial material, just do not like to believe their rocks are ordinary. I guess it's human nature. Electron microprobes, XRD and XRF will tell you nothing if you do not compare it with the real thing, Mag Sus is not an important aspect of meteorites as their flux density is often changed by terrestrial influences. Do as you wish, but being a registered dealer in Meteorites means absolutely nothing - but of course, if you have been selling material that latterly turns out to be fake, then you are responsible for making good. I wish you luck in your endeavours and thank you for your time to reply. Dave Harris ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 04/10/07 19:48:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your meteorite site I have to inform you that all of your meteorites are definitely fake. You show a page from 1728.pdf. I have this paper - your fancy chart is NOT in it - hence you are misrepresenting the material you are selling. Hi Dave, The 1728 pdf chart is used to show how exhibit 2 Mars meteorite plots on John Brandenburgs oxygen isotope chart for CI / Mars plots, and exhibit 2 Mars plots as a Mars meteorite, and all the test results offer this proof as well. I have to inform you that all of your meteorites are definitely fake The Oxygen Isotopes, Electron Microprobe, SM-30 Magnetic Susceptibility, XRF and XRD prove our meteorites , you having experience in the meteoritic field should know this ? Far too many of the minerals you mention do NOT occur in meteorites (ie quartz). There are so many aspects incorrect with your claims that I cannot begin to start to list them All
[meteorite-list] No More Church Stuff?
Good morning Folks, Of course, Chicago Steve is right.partially. There should be no further mention of CHURCH STUFF on this list. And, henceforth, there should likewise be no mention of the Ensisheim meteorite because, as we all know, in 1492 shortly after the fall, the Mayor of Ensisheim ordered that the meteorite be placed in front of the village CHURCH! In order to form a more perfect List, I think we all can agree that there should exist a Separation of Church and List. Best regards to all, Paul Martyn Savannah, GA ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New information from Nomenclature re: provisionalnames and
Hi All: This whole thread is a real shame, I have only been hunting for about a year and have found nine meteorites to date; I also have purchased some off ebay (mostly achondrites). I find it a fascinating hobby where you can be outside having fun, read about asteroids and how rocks from other planets are formed, and the best thing is to hold rocks from outer space. I have hunted fossils and minerals for many years, but I think meteorites are the most rewarding. I dont understand all this tension between everyone. We should all be in this together and share our experiences. I always hope people find meteorites every time they hunt, in fact, I cant wait until someone finds another Mars or Achondrite. I think we all benefit. I watched the meteorite hunting Cash and Treasures show for about the 10th time recently and everyone was so unified and having a good time hunting; this was also the feeling I got in Tucson. Another thing, why this conflict between the states? I live in California so thats where I hunt; I pretty much only do day trips. I kinda resent having an attitude about anything. When Adam sent his links to his pics from his recent trip in California/Nevada, I congratulated him on his finds and I hope he has an achondrite, that would be fantastic. Who cares if it was found in California or Nevada or Arizonia so what. I truly agree if someone discovers a meteorite, a strewn field, or something unusual, then they should be allowed to study the area until they feel their research is complete. However, if someone is performing continuing scientific studies over a certain region that many people are hunting and is open knowledge to the public, then I dont see the problem with everyone getting provision numbers for finds in that particular area. For example if someone found a strewn field in Arizona and was researching the area, and then others found out about it through the Bulletin and started collecting meteorites, whats the problem in getting numbers for those meteorites. The continuing studies might help others in future find more meteorites. I think the scientific value of meteorites is important. It make me sad the Rubin is quitting (and I think his son is losing the most) as I feel father son activities are very important; anyway stamp collection is very boring, I used to collect stamps when I was a kid. Find another hobby. Lets try and be more unified and work together and as always Happy Hunting Greg Stanley Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, It kind of takes the fun out of it when somebody feels the need to snitch on an out of state group to the BLM. This only serves to weaken the hobby of hunting. By the way, I was told that there was a BLM agent hanging around the meteorite group this year in Tucson. He was recognized in one of the images posted to the List. I got nothing but grief over the Randsburg iron even though its provenance goes back three decades. Questions about whether it was really a transplanted Campo or Chuckwalla forced me to liquidate it for free. I donated the entire mass to a church in North Carolina because I was so disgusted with the politics surrounding this California meteorite. Luckily my pairing to the Old Woman was found on private property or I am sure there would be some more grief in regards to this shale ball. The best advice for anybody searching California lake beds is to check out the laws regarding them. It is difficult to know if you are searching on private property or not so it is best to question the locals. Do not be afraid to bang on a few doors and ask questions. I would rather search on private property with a solid agreement than risk getting in trouble. Besides, you can get an exclusive if you do your research which accounts for 90% of any true treasure hunting effort. I plan a long term stay in the Mojave next fall with all of the proper equipment and permissions so it should be an enjoyable effort. Best Regards, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: new meteorites for sale, updated website
Hello list, I have just updated my website with many new photos and some new meteorites for sale. Here is a link to my home page: http://illinoismeteorites.com And as always you are all invited to come and join our meteorite hunting and collecting forum: http://illinoismeteorites.com/yabb/YaBB.pl Here is a link to my for sale meteorites, take a look. http://illinoismeteorites.com/for_sale_page.htm Happy Hunting, Joe Kerchner Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New information from Nomenclature re: provisionalnames and
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Re: [meteorite-list] Giving credit where (official) credit is due
In a message dated 4/11/2007 12:34:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But that's all I'm asking of Sonny; to get the credit he deserves by securing it with provisional names and numbers. Otherwise, some other person could make another find from his study area unknowingly, and go ahead of him with getting that area named and 001 number approved, and worse, get published before Sonny could get proper credit. That's only one of many good reasons, Bob V. Hi Bob, I appreciate your concern. But lets try this one more time! The reason I do not wish to get a provisional number or name until all of the of the field work is complete is for this reason. Because of the loop hole you figured out many years ago! Not to say you that would do this. Example; Lets say a meteorite hunter has been working an area for a few years with many finds and received provisional numbers on all of his finds. Another is curious about this location. All he would have to do is say he found a couple meteorites from that location and request provisional numbers. The Nomenclature may reply Ok Bob,your provisional numbers will be 35 and 36! Bob never hunted this location, has just found out that 34 meteorites were recovered from this location. What a better resource for gaining information regarding a new location. This is a problem we have to address as a meteorite hunting community. I do not know the answer. We should come up with an idea on how to solve this problem. What the current system in place does is give confirmation of first meteorite found and credit to the finder. Unfortunately it can also be a source of information to someone digging for data. It is not the fault of the Nomenclature but a system that is in place. This is the reason I choose to wait on submitting information. Sonny ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Rare Meteorites on Ebay
Dear List, I have some Rare meteorites listed on Ebay. Thanks, Derek. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoritedudeQQhtZ-1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] To whom it may concern........
What Doug said. Ruben, if your mind is already made up, then go well, but you will be missed.For the coverup, aside from sunblock, there is a line of beach and surf wear (I believe the brand is Alpha) that blocks 100% of the sun's rays, but is ultralightweight for swimmers and surfers; you might want to see if that would help. It comes in both long and short sleeve/pants, like wetsuits.Tracy Latimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:32:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] To whom it may concern Hello friends, I hope I'm not alone in feeling down after reading this. While I don't know anything about the forces at work and haven't kept up with any of the US Southwest issues, I feel lousy now, because here I've been all along in the background enjoying every single hunting post Ruben makes and his really nice web-page that he's work so hard with pride of his work together with his son, and after I post so much, now I finally scrape up a post to recognize when he is disgusted because of 'personalities' making some wholesome thing like meteorite hunting no longer fun to him. Ruben I'm sorry for being such an idiot and for not sending you some encouraging words earlier for bringing some of the most adrenaline releasing tales I've ever read and most beautiful pictures into my living room. Truly they are some of the nicest and most exciting I've read. Hope to see you in the field sometime again, this time not by accident, and congratulations on whatever you decide. Surely we can find a hypoallergenic sunblock if that would be all it took (did you check Almay's (NC, USA) product line?) Best wishes and Great Health, Doug PS I don't feel sorry for you: I feel sorry for all the tales you'd be writing that I'll be missing. - Original Message - From: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] To whom it may concern Hi all, It is with sadness and regret that I am writing today. I've been thinking about this for some time now, and today I have made my final decision. Let me explain. Due to certain personalities in this hobby I have grown more and more disenchanted with meteorites, meteorite collecting and meteorite hunting. Also, in February I was told by my dermatologist to stay out of the sun. This is because of non-cancerous lesions that have appeared on my face and hands over the last year. According to him my attempts at covering up are not working. Since I am allergic to sun block I am pretty much out of luck. I've always said that when this hobby ceased being fun I'd cease doing it. I'm done. To make a long story short, I have already taken down my website and will remove myself from this forum a.s.a.p. I will no longer write about meteorites or meteorite hunting. I am walking away from all the trouble and trouble makers. It's just not worth it. Unfortunately, I'll also leave behind the fun and excitement that I used to have when finding meteorites with my son, or teaching a newbie. I will honor any deals or agreements regarding meteorites that I've made in the past. Don't feel sorry for me or my son though. I'm sure that we'll start doing all the things normal Fathers and Sons do. Diamondbacks and Suns games here we come! Thanks to everyone that helped make the last 9 years enjoyable. Goodbye, Ruben GarciaRuben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Live Search Maps – find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=wlmtag2FORM=MGAC01__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
Hi Dave, I don't think my analysis of the EBAY situation is silly at all. There is no reason to artificially up the price of an item. What I do is wait until the last 30 seconds or so and then pop in and place a bid. I have always won, but unfortunately I pay a higher price than necessary because someone has bid over and over again *for no apparent reason*. They're not scaring anyone away by doing this. They just make the item cost a ton more. Again, I ask why? Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? Don't be so silly, the person is raising their bid so that if you bid, you won't out bid them. If you want to win the auction, you have to bid higher than their bid. For fun, start out and bid very low, bid again, bid four or five times to what is your maximum bid. It will let other bidders THINK you are serious about winning...ORTHAT other bidders may think you are fixing your bid Dave F. GREG LINDH wrote: To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
It is not bid fixing, it is proxy bidding. Let's say you have an item, a bidder puts in a bid of $100.00 max bid. The item is currently at $45.00 and they are high bidder, then you come along at the last minute and put in a bid of $80.00., then the ebay proxy bid automatically bids up to the $80.00. You must then bid over their $100.00 bid to win. It does not auctomatically place little bids, it goes by the max bid. Mike Farmer I hav been buying and selling on ebay since 1995. --- GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave, I don't think my analysis of the EBAY situation is silly at all. There is no reason to artificially up the price of an item. What I do is wait until the last 30 seconds or so and then pop in and place a bid. I have always won, but unfortunately I pay a higher price than necessary because someone has bid over and over again *for no apparent reason*. They're not scaring anyone away by doing this. They just make the item cost a ton more. Again, I ask why? Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? Don't be so silly, the person is raising their bid so that if you bid, you won't out bid them. If you want to win the auction, you have to bid higher than their bid. For fun, start out and bid very low, bid again, bid four or five times to what is your maximum bid. It will let other bidders THINK you are serious about winning...ORTHAT other bidders may think you are fixing your bid Dave F. GREG LINDH wrote: To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
Dear Greg and others, Your suspect bidder may have a different bidding strategy than you. Not everyone can be available to bid a the last seconds of an auction and not everyone uses bidding software. Some people bid up their own bids several times to increase the number of bids to reduce the number of potential bidders. Each strategy has its advantage and its dis-advantage; if you are really wanting something you have to outbid other bidders otherwise you don`t win the auction. Best at eBay, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thank you all!!!!
Hi all, My son and I just got home from a Diamondbacks game(they lost). I noticed that I've received 50 emails over the last 24 hours from list members wishing me well. Many asking me to think about coming back. I'm very moved! Thank you all! I will definitely take 6-12 months off and who knows if I can cure my skin problems maybe I will come back again. With people like Paul Harris, Geoff Notkin, Cindy Sue, Mike Farmer, John Birdsell, John Gwilliam, Maria and the other 43 friends that emailed it can't be all badright? For now Ken has asked to post some of my recent adventures on the IMCA website. Thanks again, Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
Dave, First you called me silly and said that, the person is raising their bid so that if you bid, you won't out bid them. Then when I pointed out the fallacious reasoning behind your post, you came out and admitted that you are a seller (which is no crime in my eyes) and that I shouldn't be such a tight ass. Nice talk, Dave. Really nice! I admit that I don't know the pressures of being a seller, but just because you're a seller doesn't give you the right to do an uncharitable, heavy handed, ad hominem attack on me. I raised a legitimate question and instead of providing a cogent answer, you just called me names and threw insults my way. In all the answers that I've read so far, I still haven't found one that explains why someone would bid numerous times in a row with *no one else bidding. What I've noticed is the person who does the bidding up over and over again *never wins the item*. They always drop out. Again: Why? Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? As a seller, those that wait until the last minute to bid should be shot, and those that up their bids a numberof times keep us in business..you like to buy meteorites, don't be such a tight ass with your bidding. When we go out of business from tight asses, you will not have the selection now enjoyed. The no apparent reason is not of your concern, just the highest bid..bid high or stay home. Learn business then whine about upping bids. Like you said, your new. Practice selling for a while and your opinion will change! Dave F. GREG LINDH wrote: Hi Dave, I don't think my analysis of the EBAY situation is silly at all. There is no reason to artificially up the price of an item. What I do is wait until the last 30 seconds or so and then pop in and place a bid. I have always won, but unfortunately I pay a higher price than necessary because someone has bid over and over again *for no apparent reason*. They're not scaring anyone away by doing this. They just make the item cost a ton more. Again, I ask why? Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? Don't be so silly, the person is raising their bid so that if you bid, you won't out bid them. If you want to win the auction, you have to bid higher than their bid. For fun, start out and bid very low, bid again, bid four or five times to what is your maximum bid. It will let other bidders THINK you are serious about winning...ORTHAT other bidders may think you are fixing your bid Dave F. GREG LINDH wrote: To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
Hi Mike, I'd like to start by saying I met you at the Tucson show and I know of your meteorite hunting exploits and I have a lot of respect for you. My question still has not seemed to be answered. My concern is about someone who bids over and over with no apparent competition. They single handedly raise the price from $10.00 to $30.00 to $60.00 to $80.00, etc. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, despite Dave's overly sensitive and rude comments to me . I'm simply describing a phenomenon on EBAY (which I'm new to) that makes absolutely *no sense* to me. If I get a good answer to my question from people on this forum, great. If I don't, I won't melt. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? It is not bid fixing, it is proxy bidding. Let's say you have an item, a bidder puts in a bid of $100.00 max bid. The item is currently at $45.00 and they are high bidder, then you come along at the last minute and put in a bid of $80.00., then the ebay proxy bid automatically bids up to the $80.00. You must then bid over their $100.00 bid to win. It does not auctomatically place little bids, it goes by the max bid. Mike Farmer I hav been buying and selling on ebay since 1995. --- GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave, I don't think my analysis of the EBAY situation is silly at all. There is no reason to artificially up the price of an item. What I do is wait until the last 30 seconds or so and then pop in and place a bid. I have always won, but unfortunately I pay a higher price than necessary because someone has bid over and over again *for no apparent reason*. They're not scaring anyone away by doing this. They just make the item cost a ton more. Again, I ask why? Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? Don't be so silly, the person is raising their bid so that if you bid, you won't out bid them. If you want to win the auction, you have to bid higher than their bid. For fun, start out and bid very low, bid again, bid four or five times to what is your maximum bid. It will let other bidders THINK you are serious about winning...ORTHAT other bidders may think you are fixing your bid Dave F. GREG LINDH wrote: To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
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